Guild Wars 2

For hours players on Sea of Sorrows farm the champion risen giant from the gates of arah meta event, dpsing the champ down to 30% HP and reseting it for a continues mob spawn, making people not able to get gear from the karma merchants at the end of the event, also making players not able to open arah in sea of sorrows.

I’m not sure about the constant reset of the boss for the infinite mob spawn, seems like an exploit to me

The waypoint event farm in Malchor’s Leap was nerfed, so this will probably get nerfed as well.

farming is fine but when players are linking 3-5 stacks of 250 heavy moldy bags i think its a bit out of hand….

You should put in a bug report in-game. There is an option to mark it as an exploitable issue, and this certainly is.

both me and my entire guild and friends have put a in-game report in, i thought it would be best to also put something up here as to maybe get a word from someone from anet on if its an exploit or if they don’t care, also to get the word out so others can also try in-game bug reports…….on a down side, this also may make more people start farming, haulting the gates of arah event even more than normal

5:50 hours and still going? What a terrible server.

STILL GOING ON!!! come on Anet, need to fix this! Players are farming up a storm here halting event progress!

8:30 hours now.

so what is stopping you from just killing the giant? Not like you have to stop just because some farmers tell you to?

Oh boy, looks like they’re at it again. 2 hours now.

Amok Threeohthree.8501:

so what is stopping you from just killing the giant? Not like you have to stop just because some farmers tell you to?

All the farmers just out of aggro range would still be scaling up the event but not participating; so assuming those who wanted to kill it could survive the mobs spawning and the giant, it would still have a large hitpoint pool to wear down.

So whats stopping you? Just gotta grind him down

EDIT: He should be easy enough to grind down if you have a couple of people. If you are the only one who wants to complete the event you would have failed anyway since it is a group event.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Gates-of-Arah-the-New-Lyssa/first#post2460895

I have posted screenshots of people advocating to reset the giant just so they can farm for loot, i seriously hope these people’s actions have consequences cos they are no better than botters

Ok despite what anyone says you CANNOT change the definition of what your doing.

You are taking an event, one that has a specific goal to KILL the rison and champ, and making it continue on over and over without completing it just so it will give you loot beyond what it was ment to give and in turn halting the progress of other players who wish to complete and move further in the game instead of helping them by completing the event.

THIS IS EXPLOITATION pure and simple because you are NOT doing the event as it was designed.

Farming – what your trying to put off as what your doing, means to gather loot around the world, not sit in one place and exploit an event to make it give you loot.

My opinion: this type of exploitation is no better than botting and should be delt with accordingly and is also very rude to others who are there to play as intended!

You can kill him solo or close to it. It is hilarious and I love doing it just to watch the farmers cry. In fact, I even made a mini-guild to go around “helping people out by opening Arah for them” and being like “Hey I got this guys, don’t worry, I can kill him before he resets” and watch them cry constantly for like the five minutes it takes us to kill him.

Couple of tips:

1) Range him. That much is obvious. He is very easy to avoid damage from but it is likely to be lagging to hell and back so just play it safe. Guardians are gods of ranged damage on big targets like him, so just bring a scepter with RH Strength and Smite away.

2) Abuse reflects. Pretty much all the mobs that spawn on him spam projectiles, including the grubs he summons himself. Mesmer is really good at spamming reflects; just keep stacking Phantasmal Wardens on him and watch the numbers fly up everywhere.

3) Kill the catapults. 90% of the time, when someone dies, it’s because of the catapults. There are two behind the giant on the steps and they respawn periodically.

4) Bring a group. Usually after a while the Risen catch up to you and whittle you down. With at least 2-3 people, you can have one person stall while the others run back from the nearby waypoint.

thats the plan, when my guild is on we do our best to stop this, me as necro, a guard and an ele for heavy ranged damage, and a mesmer because well. every group needs a mesmer :P

I just love going in when I find them doing this and taking it out with my Ranger. All the lovely verbal abuse and catcalling, and the delicious rage when the poor weak solo Ranger takes out their toy.

This isn’t an exploit.

Ayrilana.1396:

This isn’t an exploit.

Really? Please, do go on about what makes this NOT an exploit. Provide in detail to me and everyone else how this does not in any way affect the economy, or the abilities of other players to progress their own missions in the area, even for world completion.

Please, show me how there are mobs in every single zone that allow all players do this equally and evenly despite whatever level they may be.
If you can’t, then I am afraid there’s a problem. You see, an exploit (if you need the definition for understanding, can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_%28video_gaming%29 ) is something that not everyone has the ability to fairly perform, and, even though the game mechanic is working as designed, it is not however working as intended. As such, we are seeing this mob being treated as an unlimited drop supply, which is not in any way what the Guild Wars 2 devs had in mind.

The most joyous thoughts I have from this, is that the devs can do here what they did in Everquest II after a similar exploit: remove the money and items generated by the players that participated in these events, possibly even performing a roll-back on these accounts. Such an action can be traced and each account separated from the rest. I’m certain anyone getting more than say, 40 stacks of moldy bags would count in.
My honest hope is that these exploit farmers, that spent hours doing this, get their accounts rolled-back, and the commanders in charge and directing players to cheat be banned.

Arena-net, this is a very good chance for you to show players that believe in fair play that you have your heads in the game.

You should read the entire Wikipedia article before linking it.

They will almost definitely do what they did the last time this exact same thing happened with the waypoint event in the temple of Lyssa, which was nerf the loot from the endless waves of mobs.

Ayrilana.1396:

You should read the entire Wikipedia article before linking it.

I did. Please, go ahead and point out where I went wrong.

Lacuda.8543:

The most joyous thoughts I have from this, is that the devs can do here what they did in Everquest II after a similar exploit: remove the money and items generated by the players that participated in these events, possibly even performing a roll-back on these accounts. Such an action can be traced and each account separated from the rest. I’m certain anyone getting more than say, 40 stacks of moldy bags would count in.
My honest hope is that these exploit farmers, that spent hours doing this, get their accounts rolled-back, and the commanders in charge and directing players to cheat be banned.

Arena-net, this is a very good chance for you to show players that believe in fair play that you have your heads in the game.

I think that’s a bit harsh. These are all players who enjoy farming. And Cursed Shore used to be a great place to farm, till several of the dynamic events were nerfed. So obviously those farmers are now looking for better alternatives. Now this is clearly an exploit, but keep in mind that farming in itself is not against the rules.

What these farmers need is just a better alternative. A lot of these champion giants just take way too long to kill, and they drop the same or worse loot as the trash mobs around them. This is emergent player behavior. It is the logical outcome of the situation created by the developers. Players will always look for a profitable way to kill mobs and go through the dynamic events. That in itself is also not against the rules.

I don’t think these players deserve to be punished. It just needs to be fixed, and better farming alternatives need to be provided. Improving the loot for some of these champions would be a good start.

either way, its an exploit that needs to be fixed, and soon

Well the fine folks on Dragonbrand just turned one of my favorite events to do into an identical farming exploit.

Maybe make the slaying of the Risen Giant time sensitive? I don’t know. People are aggravating sometimes.

This is going end up just like Lyssa. A bunch of idiots are going to get the entire event nerfed for everyone, just so they get a week or so of “farming”. After their week, every legitimate player trying to complete that event gets punished for their actions by having a permanently loot-nerfed event.

I hope they don’t nerf it, but improve it. Currently people are farming the mobs, because the mobs are more lucrative than the event. The logical solution to that, would be to make the event itself more lucrative to complete.

And maybe the event should have some sort of counters to people just keeping the giant alive. Like the event escalates if the giant is not killed, and then more giants show up.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

I hope they don’t nerf it, but improve it. Currently people are farming the mobs, because the mobs are more lucrative than the event. The logical solution to that, would be to make the event itself more lucrative to complete.

And maybe the event should have some sort of counters to people just keeping the giant alive. Like the event escalates if the giant is not killed, and then more giants show up.

Making the event completion more rewarding would take a huge change to the rewards. Let’s say you add 100 heavy bags as a guaranteed chest reward. This event only happens every couple hours, so it’s still going to be “better” for them to stay there and farm hordes of mobs. A change like that would also require adjusting countless other events to keep them in-line with this one.

I’ll be the first to admit that GW2’s reward system is bad, but no matter what changes are made to event rewards, this type of exploiting would still happen. The best solution would be to alter the event to make this impossible. A time limit on killing the giant would be one of the easiest methods. I hope Anet chooses that over permantently nerfing the loot from this event.

Alternatively, maybe huge mobs should only spawn after they kill the giant. Problem solved.

Just prevent him from resetting… problem solved. The giant will die eventually even if people farm the event since everyone uses AoE to tag as many mobs as possible

this is not a exploit. Why do i say that… well its easy CAN ANYONE ONE OF YOU GUYS TELL ME WHERE ANY ANET MEMBER CLAIMED LYSSA TO BE A AN EXPLOIT?

the reason they nerfed it was ’’BOTTING’’. Also anet have provided you the liberty of guesting over to different servers. There should be no excuse unless every single server out there is doing this legitament farm, which they are not.

You may not want to help anyone doing a quest if you dont want to! this also includes any where else in the game.

While this may or may not labeled as an exploit, it is giving the players doing it an unintended advantage. They are not participating in the event as intended. They purposefully not completing the event, and harassing (which is most certainly a Code of Conduct violation) players that attempt to complete the event as intended.

That is quite possibly enough to qualify as an exploit under Anet’s somewhat broad standards. Previous ‘unintended advantages’ such as the Wintersday jewelry salvaging were considered exploits. In my opinion, this ‘farming’ deserves the exploit label more than the Wintersday incident.

Executing an event in a way that is not intended, providing infinite loot for players who choose not to play the game as intended, with the side effect of robbing players with the ability to play the game as intended… is the definition of an exploit.

And for anyone wondering how Arenanet is going to answer to this, must clearly be new to the game and Arenanet schemes or plain dumb.
Take a look back at the Jormag Claw and his endless corrupted elementals dropping (as any of its kind) those nice corrupted lodestones. Now check what’s the drop on those event mobs. Finally, extrapolate to current case.

Simple fix: make it like the next stage, where you’ve got to hold the land for x time and then the stuff still there dies, or you fall back and lose.

More likely fix: the mobs become so powerful or loot is so nerfed nobody does the event anymore.

Also risen giants are harmless unless you get stomped or can’t deal with grubs/adds. So take AOE and/or reflect and/or blind and attack it from range (you can dodge stomps but unlike the Nageling giant these guys seem to just stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, until you’re all out of endurance) and just wear it down if you feel like opening the gates. The risen there even with quite a few people at the event don’t ever seem to become very formidable.

Oh and naturally kill the catapults. You could dodge them but they deserve to be punished for adding nothing but irritation to anything they’re near.

As long as no one is attempting to get into Arah at the time (which often happens late at night) I see no issue with this. It doesn’t break anything, no one is being inconvenienced (so long as no one wants in Arah!) and this is a game that is pretty difficult to make money in. This is really saying something since I usually come down pretty kitten true exploits, I have no patience for others being inconvenienced while people are getting unfair benefits. None of that is really happening with the people I’ve seen farming it on TC at least, but that was late at night.

What does need to stop are people being complete idiots to one another. You want in Arah? Say so. Kill the giant while they farm if they refuse to help, it doesn’t take long. Want to farm? Do so, but stop when people ask you to, the event doesn’t take too long to cycle and in the meantime you can go hit some temples. Have courtesy for each other. And keep in mind, farmers, that people wanting to complete the game get first dibs – but you can still farm it if you just ask if anyone is trying to complete it first. Shocker, there generally aren’t tons of people wanting into the dungeon, so you will generally get a decent amount of time to farm.
The people really coming across looking like jerks are the ones forming groups with the sole purpose of killing the event out from under farmers, and I’ve watched it happen when no one wanted in Arah, seemingly oblivious to the irony that they’re also benefiting from the event as well (drops and karma).

Everyone needs to stop being so childish and just let others enjoy the event how they would like to, unless it is inconveniencing someone else. And if it isn’t, leave it alone.

The issue is that this event does not need to be nerfed. There need to be more rewards in the game so players aren’t driven to this, and this event in particular needs a large reward for actually completing it.

Well, the latest update should put an end to this.

While attacking the Champion Risen Giant at the Promenade of the Gods, most of the risen defenders will stop spawning once the “Risen Presence” objective is completed.

Anet dealt with this about as best as they could have. Minimal impact, if any at all, on players just trying to do the event. Far better than just nerfing the loot from these mobs.

Like I said last time they nerfed an infinite farming event, some one please send me a PM when they new event is discovered. I would love to farm out my t6 mats for legendary rather than have to buy them.

Living Story up until now took 3 days to complete, but now they added achievements that take hours upon hours to finish (southsun survival 2500 points). I cry thinking about having to still finish that.

Majuub.6215:

I cry thinking about having to still finish that.

Then skip it. I did a couple rounds of Southsun Survival, and decided that I didn’t like it. So I’m not doing any more of it. You only need 6 achievements completed to get the mini, anyway.

AUNZ from SoS usually comes on in the morning AEST each day to kill giant to the chorus of farmers calling for reset. Luckily we are a big enough guild that we can just face roll it for all those crappy blue loots in the chest.