Champions No Long Guaranteed Loot?
I have killed 3 champions today and none dropped loot for me. 2 champions were during the Melandru event and another was during a group water event under the Temple of Lyssa.
I recall reading one of your last patches that all champions would guarantee a drop of loot and since your newest update w/ Flame and Frost that is not the case. Was this reverted?
Lolana, this has been an on-going point of contention since the patch notes were released. It was actually the 15-NOV-2012 patch notes that stated:
The drop rarity of Rare and Exotic weapons from certain places in the world (champions, veterans, and players in WvW) has been increased. Rares and Exotics should be much more likely to drop and every champion should be guaranteed to drop loot. This was to ensure that world loot drops were not a significantly worse way of acquiring rare and exotic items than crafting and running dungeons. (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates/November_2012)
So it’s been nearly 3 months and there has been 1000s of forum posts on the topic of drops rates in general including this issue as well as a related topic where many people seem to be stuck in perpetual diminished returns and a 3rd related issue where dungeon/boss/dragon chests rarely return appropriate rewards (Usually greens at best, rares and exotics extremely rarely). The reward vs. effort is not there. The same patch is widely believed to be the cause, while ArenaNet denies the patch changed anything and openly called it a conspiracy. (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Share-your-data-about-perceived-strange-drop-behavior-here) While there have been a couple comments about them looking in to drop rates, they’ve not explained anything and I’ve not seen any official posting from a ANet staffers related to veterans/champions regarding the failed November 15th patch. This is a topic I’ve been following closely since the Lost Shores event.
They’ve been EXTREMELY tight lipped about the entire issue and A LOT people are very upset about.
Upset? Huh? No, i am angry. We have clear evidence about bug – CHAMPIONS DONT DROP ANYTHING. Arena.net says “don’t trust your eyes”.
English is not my native language, sorry :<
Upset? Huh? No, i am angry. We have clear evidence about bug – CHAMPIONS DONT DROP ANYTHING. Arena.net says “don’t trust your eyes”.
No…as Colin Johanson says: “We can officially confirm this as an X-files level conspiracy at this point.” So we’re all conspiring against ANet to try to extort more loot and everyone is lying about champion/veteran drops. :P
well uhm.. are you sure you did enough damage to the champion to get the loot? because it is very hard to do enough damage solo to get loot.
it’s a lot easier if you are in group. then if you hit at least once, and group does enough damage to qualify for loot, you get it too.
tl;dr – you need to do a lot more damage to get loot from event champ, than damage you need to get ‘gold’ event completion.
kill all ze thingz
I have never got loot from the champion at the end of the Plinx event. Never. I tend to do it for the karma and assumed that maybe because it was an event Champ so you don’t get loot. There is no chance it because of insufficient damage either.
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I have soloed many Champions, and none of them have dropped any loot. All you get is the event completion reward.
I have soloed many Champions, and none of them have dropped any loot. All you get is the event completion reward.
In my experience, champs do very rarely drop loot. But, it’s at most a a blue with minor coin. Last night the champ at the end of plinx just dropped 1.x silver. Not exactly rewarding given how long that fight is. He, unlike other champs, has always dropped something insignificant for me.
Since the dailys were redesigned I’ve been able to notice something that may shed some light on this issue.
When the veteran kills objective is up, for quite a number of times, in populated areas (i.e. Cursed Shore), despite delivering some damage to the targets the kill count would not register.
Perhaps everyone is right on their statements. Anet is right about kill giving drop, and players are right about kills not giving drop… The issue could be as simple as a somewhat ineffective kill registering system.
Since the dailys were redesigned I’ve been able to notice something that may shed some light on this issue.
When the veteran kills objective is up, for quite a number of times, in populated areas (i.e. Cursed Shore), despite delivering some damage to the targets the kill count would not register.
Perhaps everyone is right on their statements. Anet is right about kill giving drop, and players are right about kills not giving drop… The issue could be as simple as a somewhat ineffective kill registering system.
But group size and damage dealt does not seem to matter. Even soloing or small grouping a champion usually returns no loot.
I’m one of the people complaining about loot since the 15th nov patch but i have been noticing the last couple of days doing events in orr. While doing a lot of dmg to mobs a lot of times i can see i get zero xp for the mob(s). And we know that if you do not get xp, you don’t get loot.
I dont know if this happens because some are considered summoned mobs (which means they wont give loot), that they dont register my dmg or that i really dont do enough dmg to them because they die to fast. This last part i will check by using other character to see if i have the same issues.
So it could well be that this has something to do with the problems aswell but i can confirm that veterans and champions hardly drop loot, even when getting xp or soloing them 90% of the time you get nothing.
well uhm.. are you sure you did enough damage to the champion to get the loot? because it is very hard to do enough damage solo to get loot.
it’s a lot easier if you are in group. then if you hit at least once, and group does enough damage to qualify for loot, you get it too.
tl;dr – you need to do a lot more damage to get loot from event champ, than damage you need to get ‘gold’ event completion.
some champions are so simple to solo you could do it with your eyes closed(worms for instance), i have solo’d champions and not gotten loot
Since the dailys were redesigned I’ve been able to notice something that may shed some light on this issue.
When the veteran kills objective is up, for quite a number of times, in populated areas (i.e. Cursed Shore), despite delivering some damage to the targets the kill count would not register.
Perhaps everyone is right on their statements. Anet is right about kill giving drop, and players are right about kills not giving drop… The issue could be as simple as a somewhat ineffective kill registering system.
it should be a simple matter for anet to look at their logs and see if the loot was dropped tho and if a player got it i’m sure enough people are soloing champions to make it easy , their reaction is insulting insinuating that people are lying is just wrong and should lose them customers, i have not posted about it, but if i did and they called me a liar regardless if they did it in a roundabout trying to be clever kind of way i would be kitten /p>
The reward vs. effort is not there. The same patch is widely believed to be the cause, while ArenaNet denies the patch changed anything and openly called it a conspiracy.
This quote has been taken out of context & flatly MISquoted too many times to count. While it’s true the Champions guaranteed loot is bugged, Colin? said the patch added nothing to negatively effect loot. He’s just saying they didn’t purposefully lower anything.
Bugs are bugs are bugs. they will come and go, but the allegations that Anet purposely lowered drop rates IS a conspiracy theory. Personally my drop rates & that of all of my friends are exactly the same.
The only thing we can say definitively is that Champs don’t have a 100% drop rate, when we were told they should. It’s the only statement we can prove. Every MMO I’ve played has had the “omg they suddenly lowered the drop rates!” epidemic. As soon as one person suggests it, everyone jumps on the bandwagon.
The reward vs. effort is not there. The same patch is widely believed to be the cause, while ArenaNet denies the patch changed anything and openly called it a conspiracy.
This quote has been taken out of context & flatly MISquoted too many times to count. While it’s true the Champions guaranteed loot is bugged, Colin? said the patch added nothing to negatively effect loot. He’s just saying they didn’t purposefully lower anything.
Bugs are bugs are bugs. they will come and go, but the allegations that Anet purposely lowered drop rates IS a conspiracy theory. Personally my drop rates & that of all of my friends are exactly the same.
The only thing we can say definitively is that Champs don’t have a 100% drop rate, when we were told they should. It’s the only statement we can prove. Every MMO I’ve played has had the “omg they suddenly lowered the drop rates!” epidemic. As soon as one person suggests it, everyone jumps on the bandwagon.
Yet, on or around the Lost Shores event many people started noticing serious loot issues. It could have been when they “fixed” the dye rates that broke something. In any case, with so many vets and champs, the problem came to a head during the Lost Shores event, when it was blazingly obvious to a large number of people that something was wrong.
Pre-November, guaranteed rares every run and occasional exotics from dungeons and dragons became much more like one rare every 4 or 5 runs/dragon, with exotics, especially precursors, pretty much non-existent. In recent weeks, I’ve done the Shatterer 3 time and The Claw of Jormag 4 or 5 times and received a total of one rare piece of gear. The price and number available of high-end items in the TP reflects this much better than anything I could say. You know drops are bad when there are almost as many legendaries (3 bifrost) as there are precursors (Only 5 “The Legend”) in the TP. The obscene prices in the trading post really make me wish all the bots were back and I’ve even stopped reporting them when I see them…I know a few people who have also stopped reporting them.
Luckily, for the time being, for the first time in months, the perma-DR on my account seems to have somewhat lifted, not to pre-November levels, but vets and champs still rarely drop anything and when they do it’s rarely anything good.
Did the Megadestroyer last night. 3 blues and a green gem from the big chest. Really?!?!?! This is less return than I can make on a single ore vein. I can go to Orr and make more than that in vendor junk in about 10 minutes, plus anything else that drops. This can’t be intended behavior and is just plain chinsy for the sake of it. It’s a boss event for god’s sake!!! People will eventually get fed up with it. At least two other people on the event with me only got blues. Wasn’t this one the contributing factors to D3’s failure? Horrible drop rates?
I never read about the 100% drop promise. I have definitely had numerous instances of not getting credit where credit was due. No reward from Champions is one. (YES I did plenty of damage to them!)
Also, the Giant at the Town of Nageling seems to be the only Giant in the game that counts towards the “Giant Slayer” title track. I have battled him 3 times and didn’t get credit the last time. (Yes again, I did plenty of damage and was alive when he fell. Never any loot from him either.)
And is it a new thing that you can be alive and extremely active during a whole Boss battle, but if you are in the defeated state when he dies you don’t get a reward/chest? Because that has happened to me and my Guildies too.
Thpppt!
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Set a man on fire, and he’ll be warm the rest of his life.
– Unknown Fire Elementalist
Set a man on fire, and he’ll be warm the rest of his life.
– Unknown Fire Elementalist
I never read about the 100% drop promise.
FYI…
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates/November_2012
- The drop rarity of Rare and Exotic weapons from certain places in the world (champions, veterans, and players in WvW) has been increased. Rares and Exotics should be much more likely to drop and every champion should be guaranteed to drop loot. This was to ensure that world loot drops were not a significantly worse way of acquiring rare and exotic items than crafting and running dungeons.
Well, I guess it’s partly true. While champs and vets still drop nothing most of the time, with dropping both open world and dungeon/boss drop rates through the floor, now dungeon/boss drops suck just about as bad as open world drops…they’re just a lot more work for the bad drops. So now, open world is “not a significantly worse way of acquiring rare and exotic items”, it just plain sucks all around.
After repeated request on numerous threads and probably several bugs, ANet has never commented on this issue to my knowledge. It was reported as early as November 19th….probably sooner.
(edited by Leamas.5803)