(edited by Hulkmaster.1724)
Cyrillic in game ?, stop hating Russians
hey man, chill out, we can’t even use all the european letters. I can’t make my scandinavian names without å (o’) and ø (euh).
So get in line before we take in letters from other countries not even european
There’s no evidence of hate towards Cyrillic; lack of support isn’t the same thing.
In theory, ANet could add a bunch of different alphabets. The game is missing a small number of characters from kanji and cyrillic and of course it lacks anything in arabic or any number of other languages spoken by 100s of thousands or even millions of potential gamers.
Unfortunately, it’s not free for ANet to add them. They need to be rendered in a font appropriate for the game at several different sizes. QA is required. And they need to hire customer service experts who can make sure everyone on the relevant staff can identify when someone has tried to get around appropriating naming/chat rules by substituting letters.
None of that is necessarily difficult or really expensive; it’s just not free. So the community would have to give something else up.
Further, there’s very little benefit for ANet: how many more people will buy the game because it supports Cyrillic? of those who already paid, how much improved will they find the game, compared to other QoL changes that ANet might offer?
If you look at the supported alphabets, they include all the languages for which ANet has a language-specific server or localization: English, Spanish, French, German, Chinese. The exception: Korean, the home language used by ANet’s holding company, NCSOFT.
tl;dr adding characters isn’t free; ANet is unlikely to add more without a compelling business reason to do so.
See also:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Add-Cyrillic-Symbols/5464217
There’s no evidence of hate towards Cyrillic; lack of support isn’t the same thing.
In theory, ANet could add a bunch of different alphabets. The game is missing a small number of characters from kanji and cyrillic and of course it lacks anything in arabic or any number of other languages spoken by 100s of thousands or even millions of potential gamers.
Unfortunately, it’s not free for ANet to add them. They need to be rendered in a font appropriate for the game at several different sizes. QA is required. And they need to hire customer service experts who can make sure everyone on the relevant staff can identify when someone has tried to get around appropriating naming/chat rules by substituting letters.
None of that is necessarily difficult or really expensive; it’s just not free. So the community would have to give something else up.
Further, there’s very little benefit for ANet: how many more people will buy the game because it supports Cyrillic? of those who already paid, how much improved will they find the game, compared to other QoL changes that ANet might offer?
If you look at the supported alphabets, they include all the languages for which ANet has a language-specific server or localization: English, Spanish, French, German, Chinese. The exception: Korean, the home language used by ANet’s holding company, NCSOFT.
tl;dr adding characters isn’t free; ANet is unlikely to add more without a compelling business reason to do so.
See also:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Add-Cyrillic-Symbols/5464217
they have translated and adapted payment page
i think they have plenty of business reasons
Perhaps, that was Digital River.
Regardless, although the possibility of your suggestion (not a bug) being implemented is slim…
Good luck.
they have translated and adapted payment page
i think they have plenty of business reasons
The payment page translation is easy: it’s a handful of pages, it’s common-enough use of language, and only requires using existing internet-friendly fonts. And it’s required: you can’t take people’s money without following some legal requirements, which includes ensuring that people understand what they are paying for.
And, of course, there’s that important business reason: this is the part that generates revenue.
In contrast, adding Cyrillic to the game’s fonts requires more effort, a lot more. And it isn’t in the least obvious that it will lead to increased game sales.
So, sure, ANet could add character support for Cyrillic. But the question is: is it worth the cost?
Some relevant factoids for you
- Over 4.9 billion people use Latin characters.
- 1.3b use Chinese
- 0.66b use Arabic
- 0.6b use Devanagari (India & Hindi)
- 0.3b use Bengali (Bengal, Assam, …)
- 0.25b use Cyrillic
Based solely on those numbers, Cryllic would be the fourth choice. (However, as noted above, the issue isn’t how many people use Cyrillic or Arabic. The question remains: how many new players would buy HoT if it had character support for their language, but not translations?)
they have translated and adapted payment page
i think they have plenty of business reasonsThe payment page translation is easy: it’s a handful of pages, it’s common-enough use of language, and only requires using existing internet-friendly fonts. And it’s required: you can’t take people’s money without following some legal requirements, which includes ensuring that people understand what they are paying for.
And, of course, there’s that important business reason: this is the part that generates revenue.
In contrast, adding Cyrillic to the game’s fonts requires more effort, a lot more. And it isn’t in the least obvious that it will lead to increased game sales.
So, sure, ANet could add character support for Cyrillic. But the question is: is it worth the cost?
Some relevant factoids for you
- Over 4.9 billion people use Latin characters.
- 1.3b use Chinese
- 0.66b use Arabic
- 0.6b use Devanagari (India & Hindi)
- 0.3b use Bengali (Bengal, Assam, …)
- 0.25b use Cyrillic
Based solely on those numbers, Cryllic would be the fourth choice. (However, as noted above, the issue isn’t how many people use Cyrillic or Arabic. The question remains: how many new players would buy HoT if it had character support for their language, but not translations?)
These statistics only show that a large number of games use Latin and people use it in it without having a choice. Anet does not cost anything just to enter the Cyrillic chat room for the convenience of the players. Translation is a complicated matter and you will not guess how much you will receive. It only remains to translate and see what happens next. Or to enable players themselves
they have translated and adapted payment page
i think they have plenty of business reasonsThe payment page translation is easy: it’s a handful of pages, it’s common-enough use of language, and only requires using existing internet-friendly fonts. And it’s required: you can’t take people’s money without following some legal requirements, which includes ensuring that people understand what they are paying for.
And, of course, there’s that important business reason: this is the part that generates revenue.
In contrast, adding Cyrillic to the game’s fonts requires more effort, a lot more. And it isn’t in the least obvious that it will lead to increased game sales.
So, sure, ANet could add character support for Cyrillic. But the question is: is it worth the cost?
Some relevant factoids for you
- Over 4.9 billion people use Latin characters.
- 1.3b use Chinese
- 0.66b use Arabic
- 0.6b use Devanagari (India & Hindi)
- 0.3b use Bengali (Bengal, Assam, …)
- 0.25b use Cyrillic
Based solely on those numbers, Cryllic would be the fourth choice. (However, as noted above, the issue isn’t how many people use Cyrillic or Arabic. The question remains: how many new players would buy HoT if it had character support for their language, but not translations?)
These statistics only show that a large number of games use Latin and people use it in it without having a choice. Anet does not cost anything just to enter the Cyrillic chat room for the convenience of the players. Translation is a complicated matter and you will not guess how much you will receive. It only remains to translate and see what happens next. Or to enable players themselves
No, those statistics show how many people use those alphabets as part of their native tongue; the stats show nothing at all about how many gamers use those alphabets, which is why I was careful not to say it was the most important metric.
It’s never “free” for a company to add new characters to a custom set of fonts. It’s not a huge expense, of course; that’s not the same thing as ‘free’. It means diverting resources towards that feature rather than something else and it means increasing (again, by a small amount) ongoing maintenance costs (it’s one more than that needs to be QA’d and checked).
ANet is a business, they can’t “guess” at how much money something will cost to implement or how much it would earn — before even working on an implementation plan, they have to have an idea if the benefit to the community (and their bottom line) is worth the cost.
I’ve no doubt that a lot of Russians (and Ukrainians and Georgians, etc) would be very happy if the game supported Cyrillic better. That isn’t enough — by itself — for ANet to spend time and people to make it happen.
Would be great to be able to type in other alphabets.
This has been possible with any KB language set up that’s installed on my PC in much older games,the only limitation there was that users that didn’t have the same languages installed couldn’t read what you typed in,but got gibberish symbols and characters instead in the chat window.
I don’t see why this can’t be made available in GW2 as well.
How hard can it be?
lose a pip,win 2 pips,lose a pip,lose a pip…………..-
-Go go Espartz.-
When I see anyone ingame, its either an english name, or something german, latin, french, whatever. What do they all have in common? Exactly, everyone can still read them.
Its not hate, its just simplicity. I cant read cyrillic and neither cant the majority of GW2. We dont have chinese letters/words, we dont have Icelandic Runes, we only have the basics. And its more comfortable.
I wouldnt be able to report an exploiter or hacker or whatever with a cyrillic name if its for example a speedhacker and I can target him only for a second (happend alot 2 years ago). To fast to report, but I was able to read the name.
Stop using simplicity as an excuse to yell out racism.