Guild Wars 2

There’s probably already at least one thread about this, but I’m creating a new one since the I can’t find any because the forums search function still doesn’t work.

Players occasionally dodge roll in the opposite direction of where they are trying to dodge to. This was introduced around the time of Sky Pirates of Tyria and still hasn’t been fixed.

Yesterday my character died because he dodged into the burning oil attacks in the ascalon fractal. Last week my character died because he dodged off the edge in Skyhammer. The week before that my character died because he dodged back into range of an immobilize skill while running from a group of enemies in WvW. All of those dodges were in the opposite direction of how I pressed the keys. Most of my mis-directed dodges aren’t fatal, but they’re all frustrating. I really hope this gets fixed soon.

In case this info helps fix this: I have double-tap to dodge turned off, and always dodge with the V key.

Tyler Chapman.1832:

Thanks for the report, this is a tricky one. We will continue looking into it. If you ever have more information on this bug like for example reproducible steps, go ahead and post them here!

Thanks for the reply. I haven’t noticed a way to reproduce it yet, but I’ll let you know if I do. I also think I’ve only seen it happen while in combat.

I suspect it’s related to the fact that when you double-click on something, causing your character to turn towards that thing, subsequent movement will be relative to the direction your character is facing, instead of the camera.

In the first attached screenshot, I have walked up to my current position using the right-mouse button to rotate my camera. Pressing W moves me towards the logs.

The second screenshot is after I double-click on the Citizen NPC. The camera is the same, but pressing W moves me towards the Citizen now.

I’ve found that the odd dodging happens if my character is in the midst of using a skill, which also causes character rotation, which is why I suspect it’s related.

eremos.8142:

I suspect it’s related to the fact that when you double-click on something, causing your character to turn towards that thing, subsequent movement will be relative to the direction your character is facing, instead of the camera.

In the first attached screenshot, I have walked up to my current position using the right-mouse button to rotate my camera. Pressing W moves me towards the logs.

The second screenshot is after I double-click on the Citizen NPC. The camera is the same, but pressing W moves me towards the Citizen now.

I’ve found that the odd dodging happens if my character is in the midst of using a skill, which also causes character rotation, which is why I suspect it’s related.

… or if you just have the camera rotated for whatever reason.
An option to always dodge based on the camera direction would be nice. That way the dodge is based on what the player sees rather than what the character sees which is not all that useful.

I believe this is user error. Have yet to encounter this (i’m using double-tap to dodge) and I have been playing steadily since the time this started happening for the OP.

This also happens with the engineer skill Rocket Boots. Not all the time, but after the initial ‘jump’, when it comes to the straight dodge roll, it sometimes goes into random directions, at least in sPvP…

Asomal.6453:

This also happens with the engineer skill Rocket Boots. Not all the time, but after the initial ‘jump’, when it comes to the straight dodge roll, it sometimes goes into random directions, at least in sPvP…

Also fire ele’s dagger skill 3 (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Burning_Speed). Sometimes it does not shoot you into the correct direction.

And to the OP, I also encountered this a lot and to me it always seemed random when it happened.

God Of Fissures.8627:

I believe this is user error. Have yet to encounter this (i’m using double-tap to dodge) and I have been playing steadily since the time this started happening for the OP.

That is probably because the first taps realigns your character to your camera.

God Of Fissures.8627:

I believe this is user error. Have yet to encounter this (i’m using double-tap to dodge) and I have been playing steadily since the time this started happening for the OP.

I can assure you that it is not user error. I use SPACEBAR to dodge (I have double-tap turned off), and dodging the wrong way happens to me as well. I do not know what causes it, and it happens to me every now and then (but not frequently). Of course, when it does happen, the consequences tend to be deadly.

How come you don’t use double-tap? No Unreal Tournament fans here??? =)

God Of Fissures.8627:

How come you don’t use double-tap? No Unreal Tournament fans here??? =)

Walking forward a small distance in short bursts is important for positioning/precision jumps in Jumping Puzzles/SAB. Pressing a single button is half as many actions to dodge, and it doesn’t force me to let go of the direction I want to go while I dodge.

It’s just inherently more efficient and allows for more options.

The TS explained wrong dodging even while pressing the keys (movement key I assume).

It’s user error to rotate your camera without turning your character. Be sure to use the right mouse and movement key before trying to dodge. Dodging without direction let’s you dodge backwards from where the character is technically looking, regardless of the position of the camera.

@OP
never once happens to me, except from wrong camera positioning.

I occasionally get this problem when I make a backward dodge followed immediately by a turn and forward dodge.
I put it down to the sever connection reversing the order of the commands so that the turn executes after he second dodge. A slight pause between the actions usually prevents this happening.

Nretep.2564:

It’s user error to rotate your camera without turning your character. Be sure to use the right mouse and movement key before trying to dodge. Dodging without direction let’s you dodge backwards from where the character is technically looking, regardless of the position of the camera.

You’re right, but it’s happened to me even while I have the right-mouse button held down. For instance:

1. Be attacking an enemy
2. Press RMB, Swing around, start holding W and run away from said enemy while still holding RMB
3. Dodge

Expected behaviour: My character dodges away from the enemy
Actual behaviour: My character dodges towards the enemy

The reason I suspect it’s related is because at the time I attempted to dodge, my character was in the middle of an attack animation directed at aforementioned enemy. It appears to be considering the character instead of the camera, as in the occasion described in my earlier post.

Happens to me a lot.
Dual dagger elementalist with evasive arcana trait. I use burning speed across the target attune to earth then double tap back to dodge back into the target triggering a blast finisher on my fire field with evasive arcana.
Even if my character turns around to attack my target so he’s facing my camera if I press back I will back toward the camera, double tapping a direction key to dodge should dodge you in the direction you would move if you held the key should it not?(<-edited due to overly aggressive filtering) But I tap back and dodge away from my camera. Problem is, it doesn’t always happen so I can’t just assume its going to invert and dodge in the opposite direction.

Camera angle doesn’t seem to have anything to do with the direction of the dodge, it depends on which direction your character is facing.

If your character is standing still, they should dodge in the opposite direction from where they are facing.

If your character is moving, they should dodge in the direction that they are moving.

The bug is that sometimes when a character is moving they will dodge in the opposite direction from the direction that they are moving in.

For example, a character running forward will dodge backwards, or a character strafing right will dodge left. In both of these examples, the player continues commanding the character to move in the same direction the whole time, and the character goes in the correct direction before and after the dodge, just not during.

God Of Fissures.8627:

I believe this is user error. Have yet to encounter this (i’m using double-tap to dodge) and I have been playing steadily since the time this started happening for the OP.

I’ve been playing since beta and never encountered it before the later part of Dragon Bash, but it’s been happening about once or twice per day since then. It’s likely that the bug doesn’t affect double-tap to dodge.

Tyler Chapman.1832:

Thanks for the report, this is a tricky one. We will continue looking into it. If you ever have more information on this bug like for example reproducible steps, go ahead and post them here!

The game ignores keys when it gets into a heavy load situation. This affects many things, and I believe it to be the root cause here.

Or actually, the root cause is not the keys being ignored, but the front end design of your system that takes inputs from users off the internet.

same thing happens sometime with the Fiery Greatsword.i have no target,i use Fiery Whirl then Fiery Rush and the last skill takes me back instead of going in the direction i was going with the Fiery Whirl skill.btw no mobs around no atotargeting on.so i use 2 skills and i end up in the same place

I wouldn’t be much surprised if it had something to do with server lag. I use V to dodge – not double-tap. Happens sometimes during pvp/wvw fights where I turn around a lot.
If for some reason I dodge and server thinks I’m facing other direction still then I do on my screen weird dodge might happen. This might be some client-server sync problem. Maybe even related to other bug I’ve posted before where fast movement skill teleport you around – also probably because I see extrapolated effect on my screen, then server synchronizes me back because he’s slower then I am then teleports me back to destination location because he concluded I should be there awhile after me.

Might be this might not

EnemyCrusher.7324:

Players occasionally dodge roll in the opposite direction of where they are trying to dodge to.

It happens to me from time to time. Not too often but often enough to be irritating.
Lately I was able to capture it on my stream.
We were fighting in Hills, I was trying to close gap between me and my commander after I was dazed. I rolled entirely opposite direction so I tried to dodge again and… second wrong dodge in a row.
Video: http://www.twitch.tv/peembe/c/3098430
First dodge is in 0:12

It’s been over a month since the devs figured out the cause, but still no fix. This bug has caused me one sPvP death, two WvW deaths, and cost me one WvW tower credit all in the past five days.

Is the fix still in the works or did it get backlogged due to some complications? Any chance we’ll see it before Wintersday?

I managed to wipe my entire team because of this bug yesterday, that was fun.

Ultimately…
Should dodging be relative to the characters facing, or to camera facing?
//Portable Corpse

Yamagawa.5941:

Ultimately…
Should dodging be relative to the characters facing, or to camera facing?
//Portable Corpse

Character, although that isn’t the problem. The bug is that sometimes the dodge is relative to the direction from the player to some given enemy.

By the way, this is still happening. Two days ago I was running across the narrow bridge in CoF path 1, while holding W to run forward. An enemy attacked me from my left, so I hit V (while still holding W) and my character dodged to the right. Right off the bridge.