Guild Wars 2

Greetings.

A discussion was started in the crafting forums about the inconsistency and cost to craft the new food recipes introduced as a part of Dry Top. Many of us (especially us Engis who are super excited about Power/Condi Duration food) are looking to verify if the needed ingredient quantities are correct. They don’t seem in line with other food that is both easier to obtain and not account bound. Even that aside, there are glaring inconsistencies if you just take the menu on it’s own:

Prickly Pear Stuffed Nopale
Nourishment (30 m): +70 Power, +40% Condition duration, +10% Experience from kills

5 Nopale – Common – Dry Top – 32c/ea on TP – 1.5s
10 Black Bean – Common – Karma – 20 Karma
20 Prickly Pear – Rare – Dry Top – 4.8s/ea on TP – 96s
10 Pile of Tangy Seasoning – Common – Crafted from inexpensive ingredients – 25c/ea on TP – 2.5s

TOTAL: 1.01G & 20 Karma

Bowl of Sweet and Spicy Beans
Nourishment (1 h): +70 Power, +40% Condition duration, +10% Experience from kills

10 Prickly Pear – Rare – Dry Top – 4.8s/ea on TP – 48s
10 Ghost Pepper – Uncommon – Orr – 2.5s/ea on TP – 25s
10 Kidney Bean – Common – Karma – 20 Karma
5 Pile of Salt and Pepper – Common – Crafted from inexpensive ingredients – 1.3s/ea on TP – 6.5s

TOTAL: 79.5s and 20 Karma

Just with these two (and it is similar with the others) we see a 30m food being more expensive to craft than it’s 1h counterpart. IMHO, I think that it was a simple matter of the Nopale and Prickly pear numbers getting mixed up/typoed. If they read like this:

20 Nopale – Common – Dry Top – 32c/ea on TP – 6.4s
10 Black Bean – Common – Karma – 20 Karma
5 Prickly Pear – Rare – Dry Top – 4.8s/ea on TP – 24s
10 Pile of Tangy Seasoning – Common – Crafted from inexpensive ingredients – 25c/ea on TP – 2.5s

TOTAL: 33s & 20 Karma

That seems WAY more in line (about half the cost for half the time) than it currently is, especially considering it is account bound.

Could the team please take a look at all the Dry Top recipes to ensure that their ingredient requirements are correct?

I’d like to see some sort of comment on this as well. However I don’t think we will.

Whenever they add new cooking recipies there are things that are just off. Like this.

Yeah. But I can still +1 this thread

Xar

That is discouraging for sure. The cooking profession is sorta treated like a hobby (even if it does offer really valuable buffs) than an actual profession. Maybe things will get retuned if it goes to 500?

I am also in the process of compiling the cost and discrepancies for the rest of the new cactus food too.

As promised.

Bowl of Black Pepper Cactus Salad
Nourishment (1 h): Gain health every second, +70 Toughness, +10% Experience from kills

10 Nopale – Common – Dry Top – 32c/ea on TP – 3.2s
2 Avocado – Common – Karma – 6 Karma
10 Black Peppercorn – Uncommon – 1.33s/ea on TP – 13.3s
5 Bowl of Ascalonian Salad – Uncommon – Crafted from uncommon ingredients – 1.3s/ea on TP – 6.5s

TOTAL: 17.8s & 6 Karma

Bowl of Cactus Soup
Nourishment (30 m): Gain health every second, +70 Toughness, +10% Experience from kills

10 Bowl of Fancy Creamy Mushroom Soup – Crafted from uncommon ingredients – 3.68s/ea on TP – 36.8s
1 Bowl of Fancy Potato and Leek Soup – Crafted from uncommon ingredients – 9.4s/ea on TP – 9.kitten
Nopale – Common – Dry Top – 32c/ea on TP – 1.6s

TOTAL: 47.8s

Okay. So in this case the one hour food is cheaper than the 30m food. Whoops. XD

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Bowl of Nopalitos Saute
Nourishment (1 h): +70 Toughness, +20% Boon duration, +10% Experience from kills

10 Nopale – Common – Dry Top – 32c/ea on TP – 3.2s
5 Tomato – Karma – 7 Karma
10 Head of Garlic – Common – 1.17s/ea on TP – 11.7s
5 Onion – Common – 1.1s/ea on TP – 11s

TOTAL: 25.2s & 7 Karma

Loaf of Candy Cactus Cornbread
Nourishment (30 m): +70 Toughness, +20% Boon duration, +10% Experience from kills

5 Nopale – Common – Dry Top – 32c/ea on TP – 1.6s
2 Bowl of Baker’s Dry Ingredients – Crafted from common ingredients – 33c/ea on TP – 66c
10 Egg – Common – 50c/ea on TP – 5s
10 Piece of Candy Corn – Uncommon – 1.9s – 19s

TOTAL: 26.2s

The 1h and 30m foods have nearly identical costs. Lesson here? If you like this food, you should craft the 1h version.

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Prickly Pear Pie
Nourishment (30 m): +40% Condition duration, 33% chance to steal life on critical, +10% Experience from kills

1 Ball of Dough – Crafted from common ingredients – 55c/ea on TP – 55c
5 Prickly Pear – Rare – Dry Top – 4.98s – 24.9s
5 Bag of Flour – Cooking Vendor – 8c/ea – 40c
2 Stick of Butter – Common – 36c/ea on TP – 72c
5 Pile of Cinnamon and Sugar – Crafted from common ingredients – 9c/ea on TP – 45c

TOTAL: 27s

Bowl of Cactus Fruit Salad
Nourishment (1 h): +40% Condition duration, 33% chance to steal life on critical, +10% Experience from kills

10 Prickly Pear – Rare – Dry Top – 4.98s/ea on TP – 49.8s
1 Bowl of Tropical Fruit Salad – Crafted from Rare & Uncommon Ingredients – 7.68s
30 Cinnamon Stick – Common – 5c/ea on TP – 3.5s
10 Bag of Sugar – Cooking Vendor – 8c/ea – 80c

TOTAL: 61.78s

This one is also about what we expect to see with the 1h food being double.

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Bowl of Prickly Pear Sorbet
Nourishment (30 m): +80 Ferocity, 28% Chance to cause might on critical, +10% Experience from kills

5 Prickly Pear – Rare – Dry Top – 4.98s – 24.9s
1 Bowl of Ice Cream Base – Crafted – 2.55s/ea on TP – 2.55s
1 Glacial Shard – Rare – 28.24s/ea on TP – 28.24s
1 Lime – Karma – 3 Karma

TOTAL: 55.69s

Plate of Roasted Cactus
Nourishment (1 h): +80 Ferocity, 28% Chance to cause might on critical, +10% Experience from kills

10 Prickly Pear – Rare – Dry Top – 4.98s/ea on TP – 49.8s
10 Stick of Butter – Common – 36c/ea on TP – 3.6s
30 Cinnamon Stick – Common – 5c/ea on TP – 3.5s
5 Lemon – Karma – 1 Karma

TOTAL: 56.9s

Another case of the 1h food being the same cost as the 30m food.

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The other part of this discussion, which is much harder to quantify, is are the stats worth the costs. Many of these put them in line with the most expensive foods on the market, which mostly serving a niche role. Of note, most of these consumables are higher cost than the Dragon Starcakes (celestial stat food with magic find that requires zhaitaffy). Also, I cannot speak to the relative value of toughness over vitality, but Mango Pies are only 40s compared to this new toughness + HoT food. Consider that with the fact that all this food is account bound, and things seem like a real mess.

This may speak to a greater issue of chef as a profession needing a semi-major overhaul to bring the recipes more in line with the quality and length of the food it makes. As it stands, far more “useful” food costs far less then of these new ones, and the cost of materials in relation to their length is, frankly, broken.

So, there you have it. Feel free to discuss.

digitalruse.9085:

As promised.

Bowl of Black Pepper Cactus Salad
Nourishment (1 h): Gain health every second, +70 Toughness, +10% Experience from kills

TOTAL: 17.8s & 6 Karma

Bowl of Cactus Soup
Nourishment (30 m): Gain health every second, +70 Toughness, +10% Experience from kills

TOTAL: 47.8s

Okay. So here is our first food to be in line with expectations. 30m sets a price and it’s 1h counterpart is a little more than double for the convenience. The initial cost/value of the item aside (mentioned below).

Read that again carefully.