Guild Wars 2

Today with some players who i found Lfg system we were doin Arah Full Run at p3 our i party memeber had to go and we found a new guy for just that path. Adn When we came to Giganticus Lupicus he started tellin us how many hp we have even some items thats impossible to see via lookin character. He start sayin us You are not berserker becuse u got too much health and even spesific number of our heatlth. Actually he scared me how can he knows all of them?

by using an external program that is reading the game’s memory which also happens to be bannable …

Probably from the party interface and comparing a profession’s base stats with your actual health pool. He’d know (whyever anyone would actually bother to memorise that) what kind of stats you have on your gear – for profession X to reach hp Y, you’d need Z extra vitality, which he assumed you got through gear rather than through build (or he wanted you to not invest a single trait point in anything other than poer and precision, whatever).

Edit: Ninja’d…
Now that I think about it, does the party interface give exact health points? I use the reduced version and never had any reason to check (mainly because I don’t run any meta builds on any of my characters and don’t give a small rodent’s backside about what the people I PUG with do…).

He can’t see your exact health pool numbers. The only way you can tell if someone isn’t bersker would be closely watching their bar when getting hit with aoe and seeing how much it drops compared to your health pool as a berserker and given their profession you might be able to tell what their gear is leaning towards. But that would be extremely difficult to do unless you are just sitting there watching the health bar. Please report this player.

yeav With watchin them u can understan from damage but he said full hp numbers. An while we looking for party we said Berseker gears. for exmaplar my warrior at arah i have nearly 21k hp but other guys he had 24k hp. and he didnt say u got 24k hp he said u got 24667hp (i couldnt rememeber right numbers i just wrote a number..) after that warrior said how can u know my hp numbers. and he didint say anything. This conversation happened on lupi after lupi we killed boss and he run away without sayin anything.

First thing that comes on my mind is, I was hearin some hack programs for map opening but ididnt hear anything about uer interface reading. Actually he scared me. Becuase if he can know my hp he can even see my items inventory golds gems etc.

By the way we didnt any converstaion about gears or builds or weapons. even we ddint reflect any item on use in to party chat.

And Also i was thinkiin about report but how can i report him? from ingame or should i send e-mail to anet?

Usually by right-clicking his name in mapchat and then report for botting (I think that’s the best category here). If you don’t have that option anymore, do you still remember his name (as in, exactly, not “Anton McSomethingorOther”, because that might get someone innocent banned)? You can submit a ticket or go through the support option on this site and state the name of the offending player there. Just not in public on the forum.

yeah i added him into my friends list after he said that. ? know his name and account name. will report him then from ingame.

List the date and the time (with time zone) that this happened if you remember. I’m not sure how long the game keeps a log for issues like this but it may help them out. However I’m sure he is still using it so it’s liekly if they check he will get banned.

You can report through both ways (in fact, I don’t think it would be much doing both), you can use the in-game tool, that’s through right-click their name as mentioned, or you can report through exploits@arena.net (in case you don’t know already). For right-clicking, it can be done through anywhere you would see their name (nameplates, party UI, any chats [map, party, etc], friend list, your mute list, and so on…). Maybe reporting via email could be good too as you can provide more details. Again I would suggest doing both.

By the way, just a reminder for anyone else who end up here: use these ways to report players, don’t expose names and exploits through forums as it’s against rules.

The above email address is wrong. If you send mail there, ArenaNet won’t get any notice.
And, actually, the exploits address is for reporting actual exploits. To report someone using an exploit, you should contact the CS Team, either in-game or using the Support link/web-form.

What exactly is the exploit here? That he caught you in a lie thanks to 3rd party software?

It sounds like the guy was invited last into the group and complained about the rest not running zerker, which he likely knew because of his 3rd party software – the software being the problem.
Where did you get “caught in a lie” from this? oO

seyhzade.3401:

An while we looking for party we said Berseker gears. for exmaplar my warrior at arah i have nearly 21k hp but other guys he had 24k hp

This is where he got caught in a lie. They werent Berserker’s.

Also, rest assured OP, that program merely allows you to see other’s Health Points. That’s the only thing he can see from you. If you think that’s ban worthy, then well, I laugh.

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

seyhzade.3401:

An while we looking for party we said Berseker gears. for exmaplar my warrior at arah i have nearly 21k hp but other guys he had 24k hp

This is where he got caught in a lie. They werent Berserker’s.

Also, rest assured OP, that program merely allows you to see other’s Health Points. That’s the only thing he can see from you. If you think that’s ban worthy, then well, I laugh.

Well, whether or not they advertised as full zerker and then didn’t run full zerker themselves is irrelevant. It’s still about 3rd party software that’s used to see things other players can not see without it, and either way, it’s against ToS. You can laugh all you want, but if you agree to the terms that come with a deal and then not abide by those rules you agreed to, you’re in the wrong.

Red Queen.7915:

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

seyhzade.3401:

An while we looking for party we said Berseker gears. for exmaplar my warrior at arah i have nearly 21k hp but other guys he had 24k hp

This is where he got caught in a lie. They werent Berserker’s.

Also, rest assured OP, that program merely allows you to see other’s Health Points. That’s the only thing he can see from you. If you think that’s ban worthy, then well, I laugh.

Well, whether or not they advertised as full zerker and then didn’t run full zerker themselves is irrelevant. It’s still about 3rd party software that’s used to see things other players can not see without it, and either way, it’s against ToS. You can laugh all you want, but if you agree to the terms that come with a deal and then not abide by those rules you agreed to, you’re in the wrong.

You must have a wonderful view from up on your moral high ground. Fact is that Anet hasn’t banned anyone for using a DPS meter and likely can’t/won’t and their official policy is not to comment on third party software so even if the answer was “we don’t have a problem with it” they could never say it. Unless you are going to continue that line of logic and ask for bans for people using SweetFX and similar graphic injectors.

Second fact is that the players were caught in a lie and you are white knighting for them. Not sure why. Guess what: those players lying about their gear actively tried to ruin the gaming experience of the players on the team, which is infinitely worse than any accusation you could make for the DPS meter.

I love it how “white knighting” has been turned into confetti – thrown around everywhere for no other reason than “because I can”…

I don’t know what moral high ground you’re talking about, but I’m going by the terms of use I agreed to when I bought this game, but whatever, I suppose it’s the cool thing to do these days to neither read the rules nor play by them.

My guess is staff don’t comment explicitly on 3rd party software because stuff that doesn’t interfere with game mechanics is considered okay, but things get iffy when it comes to software that allows one player to see something other playsers can’t see without also using 3rd party software. Does it matter in PvE? Not really. Does it make a difference in PvP? It might, so software that gives the user an advantage should not be used. If there are just the umbrella terms they use now, it’s hard to complain about individual cases when they do get banned by arguing “but that player uses [software X], and he didn’t get banned!”, and it means Anet don’t have to check and approve (or ban) every single possible 3rd party app out there.

And for the record, it’s you who assumes that OP and his friends wanted to “actively ruin” somebody else’s experience. I’m sorry I still believe in human decency -.-

Red Queen.7915:

I love it how “white knighting” has been turned into confetti – thrown around everywhere for no other reason than “because I can”…

I don’t know what moral high ground you’re talking about, but I’m going by the terms of use I agreed to when I bought this game, but whatever, I suppose it’s the cool thing to do these days to neither read the rules nor play by them.

My guess is staff don’t comment explicitly on 3rd party software because stuff that doesn’t interfere with game mechanics is considered okay, but things get iffy when it comes to software that allows one player to see something other playsers can’t see without also using 3rd party software. Does it matter in PvE? Not really. Does it make a difference in PvP? It might, so software that gives the user an advantage should not be used. If there are just the umbrella terms they use now, it’s hard to complain about individual cases when they do get banned by arguing “but that player uses [software X], and he didn’t get banned!”, and it means Anet don’t have to check and approve (or ban) every single possible 3rd party app out there.

And for the record, it’s you who assumes that OP and his friends wanted to “actively ruin” somebody else’s experience. I’m sorry I still believe in human decency -.-

So Decency is to set requirements for others to follow that you don’t yourself?

What if the other warrior was in zerker gear, but gained the extra 3k health from running phalanx strength…

It was actually *24666*hp.
Just saying.

Serval.6458:

What if the other warrior was in zerker gear, but gained the extra 3k health from running phalanx strength…

It would have meant they had 2 phalanx strength warriors with one taking great fortitude in the power tree. You can get 21k from the normal PS build and 23-24k adding great fortitude to that, though that’s generally a lesser build than the 05063 build that is typical for PS. Not saying that it is off the table or anything, but having 2 phalanx strength warriors in one party? Quite silly don’t you think?

You can report those kind of people as much as you want, anet won’t do anything against them. They couldn’t ban players using memory-reading-only interrupt bots in gw1 with video proofs of machine-like interrupts.

Red Queen.7915:

And for the record, it’s you who assumes that OP and his friends wanted to “actively ruin” somebody else’s experience. I’m sorry I still believe in human decency -.-

Misrepresenting your gear and leeching off other people is actively trying to ruin their experience. It’s curious your narrow definition of “human decency” doesn’t include telling the truth. Convenient definitions.

Just ignore this guy. He is assuming a lot we don’t even know what the situation was with the OP and if he was advertising that he and the rest of the party were or were not zerker. It’s easy enough to tell someone isn’t zerker by the DPS. If you seriously have a problem with it then have everyone link their gear. If they don’t then you can leave; it’s as simple as that. Also going off HP is a terrible idea. How do you know that the someone isn’t full power toughness condition gear? Being able to tell by HP only leaves out so many sets that aren’t bersker but also don’t add Vit.

And this guy using the third party program came in at Lupi meaning a lot of the dungeon was already done for him. Even if the party was not full zerker he would have still gotten through it faster than starting a new party with full zerker from the beginning. Of course player skill is a big factor here but there’s no way to judge whether the party was bad at understanding the mechanics or not of the fight since we have no idea. I won’t be responding to anymore of this debate to whether or not this guys party was zerker or if they even claimed to be all zerker or maybe they knew they weren’t zerker but wanted someone who was zerker. Who cares?

The bottom line is there is no need for a 3rd party program and you will risk a ban for using it period. And OP if you could flag this thread to be closed that would be great.

hybrid.5027:

What exactly is the exploit here? That he caught you in a lie thanks to 3rd party software?

I think You didnt get what i mean. That guys start tellin our hp number correctly and start sayin u are not zerker coz u got ……hp (As i said before i couldnt remember waht the specific number of that warior hp. on y previous msg i wrote a number like “24666” but it was just random number.) Actually wasnt the one who not zerker actually being zerker or not is not our problem we were focusin on fast killin. Our problem waas how can he know other party members hp number? i was asking for that.

Serval.6458:

What if the other warrior was in zerker gear, but gained the extra 3k health from running phalanx strength…

He said yes i got that hp number but one of my rune is Wurm on my armor. The other guys who was sayin all party members infos was right and all he said was true. Because after he left party without sayin anything we check it.

Btw my problem is not being zerker or not or how much hp got other party while they are zerker gear. We didint check armors weapons or traits for zerker run. Yes we wrote on lfg discription but we didnt check while a palyer joined into party. we just ask are u experinced becuase we wanna do fast run. The other guy who entred b party at p3 was keep sayin u u zerker but that warrior is not zerker he got ……hp.. a zerker never has that much hp. Adn we said to him we are not checkin zerker gear right now our focus is fast killin. This conversation happened on Lupi ater we killed lupi and the wraith boss. That guy left without sayin anything.

Plsa DO NOT focus to zerker or non zerker gears. Coz its not my problem. If u wanna discuss u can fell free to open new topic. Because i am wonderin How can a party member or a player u just met nearly 5 mins ago can knows right adn true HP number? unless he is not usin a program or software. And using that programs and softwares are legal or illegal? All i want that.

? am not questinin zerker better or not. Or what should be zerker warrior hp number. ? am really dont care about zerker gears build hps etc..

Adn i am not liar or lying if u want u dont have to believe. That this is the case that i lived nearly 3 days ago. And i just wonderin.

That program is on grey area.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

The above email address is wrong. If you send mail there, ArenaNet won’t get any notice.
And, actually, the exploits address is for reporting actual exploits. To report someone using an exploit, you should contact the CS Team, either in-game or using the Support link/web-form.

Whoops, thanks for noting. I missed an “n” in “arena”, I have edited it. Also yes, you also can report these things through email, even a red post stated that once. Let me know if even exploits@arena.net isn’t right either, that’s how I recall it (maybe it’s “exploit@”, not sure).

@seyhzade: Don’t bother about these people wanting to discuss zerker or not zerker, or even telling you were lying. In fact, maybe you should do as suggested and flag this thread to be closed. Some people here seems to be clearly wanting to derail it. Possibly those “defending” it may also have used some type of “resource” like what’s being suspected here :P Like did you note this…

DonQuack.9025:

It was actually *24666*hp.
Just saying.

whut? Well, my suggestion is to report it through the ways mentioned here. Either Anet is doing to do something or not it’s up to them. It’s better reporting what doesn’t need to be reported than no reporting anything. Also, flag this thread to be closed, some of the posts here will only lead to useless discussion.