Guild Wars 2

WinterWolf.7231:

This goes for the following minions :

• Bone Minion
• Shadow Fiend
• Flesh Golem

All of the melee minions tend to lock up while trying to attack a target or when the controller is under attack. Minions tend to do this about 60-80% of the time during use. It does look like register the attack but glitch out to their idle stance over and over. However if the target is close enough to the minion, as in right next to it, it can and will attack until the target gets farther away from them. They don’t seem to have an issue with attacking a tower gate or any other object that can not move.

I know being a Minion-Master is not the most popular thing to use in most areas of the game. I do enjoy playing it regardless of how buggy minions get. However, during the past few months I have seen them get worse. While in WvW borderlands the minions locked up roughly 75% of the time refusing to attack or protect me. Its not just WvW though, it happens off and on in other areas. This has happend in PvP arenas and most PvE maps.

I have looked through the forums for similar topics and none I have seen have been replied to by Anet.

It may be the pathing or the minion AI, i’m not sure but it needs to be looked into.
The more the game updates the worse minions seem to get.

Edit: Still no word on this after a month? Not surprised…

Edit: New issues with the update with the “flesh of the master” trait.
Minions tend to die when switching level areas or when the player is downed.

-Wolf

Well good news, Anet fixed one thing wrong… Minions no longer die when switching level areas.

But they still sometimes just stand there and watch you fight and sometimes die without doing anything. I want a mini Llama to fight at my side I’ll even trait it for my mini Bear which is awesome by the way and goes well with my Ranger and Bow :}

ArenaNet fix bug with AI. I’ve been waiting 2 years.

The September patch needs a lot of patching. It was as if the build introduced was an offshoot of an old build that had been modified by a totally different branch of Arenanet or, possibly, subcontractors. Whoever handled the roll-out ought to do some serious thinking.

Melee minions do work, but only if you let them take their positions before you initiate an attack, which is stupid mechanic indeed…

Not to mention a useless minion master Grandmaster Trait “Necromantic Corruption”.
Since we don’t have enough minions to benefit with the 10% chance and that it’s useless in PvE since mobs rarely use boons anyway…

topic in profession balance, talking about ideas for MM

Still no response from Anet or any improvements to minion AI…

WinterWolf.7231:

Will there be any answer to this?
Or am I shouting at the wall…

I’m shouting already against that wall since they broke it with the Marionette patch

Good news, left AI correct

In my own experience, necrominion AI bugs occur…

Often in WvW,
Sometimes in PvE,
and rarely in PvP.

This leads me to theorize that there is a trend between high player population and the frequency at which AI bugs occur. This could be similar to how spamming AOE damage causes lag.

I simply wished to add, after skimming through this thread, that this issue has been present ever since beta. Minion AI has always been notoriously bugged and has never been addressed. As much as I hate being the bearer of bad news, especially considering I have played (and will continue to play) Minion Master Necro ever since GW1’s beta, none of you should really expect to receive any attention for this topic. It has been brought up countless times in thread after thread for over two years.

Little push from site 8. I think, the enemy player has a unfair benefit from this bug.

I recently came back to the game after a six month break and the minion’s AI has definately been boinked up since then. One of the patches has definately messed something up.

My minions often sit around doing nothing.

Minion AI used to be a real issue early in the game, but the fixed that issue sometime around 1 year ago (yeah, I can’t remember the exact time). After the fix, they worked pretty darn well but not perfect. Good enough not to complain much. Now, it is horrible.

Mad Rasputin.7809:

I recently came back to the game after a six month break and the minion’s AI has definately been boinked up since then. One of the patches has definately messed something up.

My minions often sit around doing nothing.

Minion AI used to be a real issue early in the game, but the fixed that issue sometime around 1 year ago (yeah, I can’t remember the exact time). After the fix, they worked pretty darn well but not perfect. Good enough not to complain much. Now, it is horrible.

After going back to my necromancer to see if its gotten any better, it has not.
Been playing with the traits and nothing seems to work. ALL the melee minions still bug out and stand there doing nothing. This currently breaks part of the necro and makes minion-master pointless…

Is t even possible to get a response from ANYONE at Anet on this???

WinterWolf.7231:

Mad Rasputin.7809:

I recently came back to the game after a six month break and the minion’s AI has definately been boinked up since then. One of the patches has definately messed something up.

My minions often sit around doing nothing.

Minion AI used to be a real issue early in the game, but the fixed that issue sometime around 1 year ago (yeah, I can’t remember the exact time). After the fix, they worked pretty darn well but not perfect. Good enough not to complain much. Now, it is horrible.

After going back to my necromancer to see if its gotten any better, it has not.
Been playing with the traits and nothing seems to work. ALL the melee minions still bug out and stand there doing nothing. This currently breaks part of the necro and makes minion-master pointless…

Is t even possible to get a response from ANYONE at Anet on this???

this is a problem, did anyone send a ticket in?

Theyr’e never going to fix it. It’s clearly a deeper problem with managing pathing and 3D geometry. Oh wait, ranger pets work just fine (in all but rare cases). It’s just everything else that’s screwed up. This applies to necro minions and summons of any kind (from eles, from rune effects, ogre pet whistles, everything). Well, summons from players. Stuff summoned by mobs works, probably because they’re just considered and treated as extra mobs which don’t require any additional code.

I’ve asked this before—to deaf ears, of course—but why do ranger pets work fine but nothing else does? It’s apparently a matter of pathing, so why isn’t everything else using the same pathing mechanism/code that ranger pets use? If all these bugged out minions/summons had the same pathing ability that ranger pets have 99% of the complaining about this crap would cease. Guaranteed.

But, as said, they’ll never fix it. If after 2 years—yes, this issue was around even in beta and reported by many, many players—they haven’t bothered with something so widespread in general use and fundamental to a build that they themselves included in the game with clear intent for people to use and enjoy, they will flat out never fix it. This is why they never bother to acknowledge what measures they’re taking against the problem. No plans to fix = no measures needed.

As much as I respect ANet as an entity and likewise the devs, in general who are pretty kitten good at their craft, this particular issue always makes me grind my teeth and makes me temporarily forget all the good stuff around the place. Bottom line: there is simply no excuse for not having corrected this in some fashion by now.

Still no improvement on the way the minion AI.
Does anyone a Anet even care about this?…

Getting really tired of asking, but if i don’t who will…

WinterWolf.7231:

WinterWolf.7231:

This goes for the following minions :

• Bone Minion
• Shadow Fiend
• Flesh Golem

All of the melee minions tend to lock up while trying to attack a target or when the controller is under attack. Minions tend to do this about 60-80% of the time during use. It does look like register the attack but glitch out to their idle stance over and over. However if the target is close enough to the minion, as in right next to it, it can and will attack until the target gets farther away from them. They don’t seem to have an issue with attacking a tower gate or any other object that can not move.

I know being a Minion-Master is not the most popular thing to use in most areas of the game. I do enjoy playing it regardless of how buggy minions get. However, during the past few months I have seen them get worse. While in WvW borderlands the minions locked up roughly 75% of the time refusing to attack or protect me. Its not just WvW though, it happens off and on in other areas. This has happend in PvP arenas and most PvE maps.

I have looked through the forums for similar topics and none I have seen have been replied to by Anet.

It may be the pathing or the minion AI, i’m not sure but it needs to be looked into.
The more the game updates the worse minions seem to get.

Edit: Still no word on this after a month? Not surprised…

Edit: New issues with the update with the “flesh of the master” trait.
Minions tend to die when switching level areas or when the player is downed.

-Wolf

Well good news, Anet fixed one thing wrong… Minions no longer die when switching level areas.

Will we ever get a response out of this?

Edit: Changed the title to something that might get a response, but is still related to the topic.

Bumping this topic. It’s getting very frustrating using these minion skills and watching them not performing.

Nocturnal.9584:

Bumping this topic. It’s getting very frustrating using these minion skills and watching them not performing.

It gets worse with every patch apparently…

More “evidence” that the AI is messed up.

I’m surprised Anet hasn’t looked into this. I mean it shouldn’t be hard, the ranger’s pets seem to work fine and so do the summoning pets from the runes and sigils, why is it hard to get the necro’s minions to work the same way?

Menaki.6329:

Little push from site 8. I think, the enemy player has a unfair benefit from this bug.

Is actually true if the skills are bugged so much that they don’t work, makes a huge advantage over the person using minions.

Xianos.4038:

I’m surprised Anet hasn’t looked into this. I mean it shouldn’t be hard, the ranger’s pets seem to work fine and so do the summoning pets from the runes and sigils, why is it hard to get the necro’s minions to work the same way?

At this point it seems they don’t give a kitten …
Almost tired of asking them about this…

Yes, the issue effectively breaks a core build of the necromancer and should be looked into.

Nocturnal.9584:

Yes, the issue effectively breaks a core build of the necromancer and should be looked into.

I wish it was that simple, but still seems that they do not care to address this issue.
Will do more “testing” tomorrow to see if the recent patches did ANYTHING, highly dout it though…

It would be nice to at least see some interest, from ANET, in the issues MM necromancers have.

Kruhljak.2705:

Theyr’e never going to fix it. It’s clearly a deeper problem with managing pathing and 3D geometry. Oh wait, ranger pets work just fine (in all but rare cases). It’s just everything else that’s screwed up. This applies to necro minions and summons of any kind (from eles, from rune effects, ogre pet whistles, everything). Well, summons from players. Stuff summoned by mobs works, probably because they’re just considered and treated as extra mobs which don’t require any additional code.

I’ve asked this before—to deaf ears, of course—but why do ranger pets work fine but nothing else does? It’s apparently a matter of pathing, so why isn’t everything else using the same pathing mechanism/code that ranger pets use? If all these bugged out minions/summons had the same pathing ability that ranger pets have 99% of the complaining about this crap would cease. Guaranteed.

But, as said, they’ll never fix it. If after 2 years—yes, this issue was around even in beta and reported by many, many players—they haven’t bothered with something so widespread in general use and fundamental to a build that they themselves included in the game with clear intent for people to use and enjoy, they will flat out never fix it. This is why they never bother to acknowledge what measures they’re taking against the problem. No plans to fix = no measures needed.

As much as I respect ANet as an entity and likewise the devs, in general who are pretty kitten good at their craft, this particular issue always makes me grind my teeth and makes me temporarily forget all the good stuff around the place. Bottom line: there is simply no excuse for not having corrected this in some fashion by now.

Starting to agree that Anet dose not care about this issue.

Bump. I was hoping there would be some fixes for Necromancer minion stuck-to-spot behaviour when attacking in the latest huge update but no luck.

Please please look into this.

Nocturnal.9584:

Bump. I was hoping there would be some fixes for Necromancer minion stuck-to-spot behaviour when attacking in the latest huge update but no luck.

Please please look into this.

Agreed, tried minions again and to my astonishment they still messed up…

Edit: Would be nice to know if this will be resolved in “Heart of Thorns” or will it still get ignored…

I tried to use Flesh Golem but he only spectates my fights. I tried to force it to engage, but refuses to. This wasn’t that bad before (the last time I tried Flesh Golem). Seems like the AI is worse now.

Mikau.6920:

I tried to use Flesh Golem but he only spectates my fights. I tried to force it to engage, but refuses to. This wasn’t that bad before (the last time I tried Flesh Golem). Seems like the AI is worse now.

Minions AI started acting-up (least as I remember) around the time Scarlet showed up.
Then the patches after that progressively made it worse.

I play MM in PvP since the last patch,and its been a horrible experience,Minions sometimes just stand there and watch me fight,even when i try to use their skills,they still do nothing but just stand there while the skill is on the recharge.Only minion skills that work every time is Bone fiend and that Healing minion.rarely flesh golems charge.I will try to capture some screenshots of them standing while im in the fight,sometimes when they engage my enemy and if i wish to disengage and run away or switch target,they stay at the enemy they engaged forever.they never switch targets or listen to my commands.i can’t believe how broken they are,and its even more unbelievable how old is this thread and nothing is still done about this.

Can you change the subject line to something like “Please fix broken Necromancer minion AI” – maybe this is more likely to draw attention to developers.

I’m finding it hard to believe it hasn’t even got recognition yet, even if it was just a passing “Looks complicated, we’re trying to figure it out” under known bugs.

I’m going to “bump” this as well. Minion AI is definitely off. I feel like they attack when they want to. I have to use their secondaries a lot more just to get some use out of them. 7 day since last post but still going on for me.

These bugs have been fixed a few patches ago, I want to thank ANET for fixing this finally…

Thank you!