Guild Wars 2

Sorry if this is just a rage rant, but this is terrible. Is Moa supposed to kill all necro pets? Its an entire SUPER hardcounter that imo should not be… I could get not being able to use their specials but it should not instantly kill every one of them… that’s ridiculous…

Bump for great justice, I’d really just like some feedback on this, please.

Just for clarification, are you saying the Mesmer Elite Skill “Moa Morph,” which turns a single opponent into a Moa, also kills every minion a Necromancer has summoned? That’s a pretty strong attack against Minionmancers if so. Ouchie!

It’s like if you take your necro with minions out into water -- if the minion skills aren’t your water skills, then they despawn (or the opposite if they are what you use in water and not on land). So I imagine the same thing is happening here -- the moa skill swaps your skillbar and, thus, despawns your minions.

But necros’ Death Shroud does not do this, so it should be possible to prevent it from happening.

For what it’s worth, I am sorely tempted to run with Moa more in WvW now.
Good thing I prefer wells.

Yes, Archangelus, that’s basically what happens. It’s frustrating. Would love an official heads up if this is an intended thing. I’ve sent a message regarding this to Jon, so I’ll let you know what he says.

Moa form killing minions is way as intended, unfortunately. Not only does it kill minions, but it also stops plague and lich form. This is not, however, exclusive to Necromancer as Warrior’s Rampage, Guardian’s Tomes, and Engineer’s Elixer X all end when transformed into a Moa.

BobJoeXXI.2493:

Moa form killing minions is way as intended, unfortunately. Not only does it kill minions, but it also stops plague and lich form. This is not, however, exclusive to Necromancer as Warrior’s Rampage, Guardian’s Tomes, and Engineer’s Elixer X all end when transformed into a Moa.

Countering an Elite skill with another elite skill isn’t the issue. Countering my entire non weapon related skill bar from the healing skill to the elite is (every one of them can be a minion). The pets go on CD when they die so you can’t resummon instantly. That is just flat out broken. That in equivalent to me having some spell that when cast puts all your non weapon related skills on a 30+ sec CD on any class.

Whenever you change forms (death shroud excluded), your minions die. That is a game mechanic. It does seem a little op and harsh to a necro, but I guess I could understand it because your cast bar changes, therefore, those skills/minions cannot persist. It’s like swapping skills in a utility slot causes a minion to de-summon. (keep lich form in mind… All minions die instantly)

Meriem.3504:

BobJoeXXI.2493:

Moa form killing minions is way as intended, unfortunately. Not only does it kill minions, but it also stops plague and lich form. This is not, however, exclusive to Necromancer as Warrior’s Rampage, Guardian’s Tomes, and Engineer’s Elixer X all end when transformed into a Moa.

Countering an Elite skill with another elite skill isn’t the issue. Countering my entire non weapon related skill bar from the healing skill to the elite is (every one of them can be a minion). The pets go on CD when they die so you can’t resummon instantly. That is just flat out broken. That in equivalent to me having some spell that when cast puts all your non weapon related skills on a 30+ sec CD on any class.

Sounds to me like you should consider using a few different utility skills, the fact you loose your “entire non weapon related skill bar” is totally by choice and knowing that people who use skills that could morph all the way to push or pull you into water could just ravage your build.

Water isn’t an issue if your water skills are the same, DS works how (imo) transformations should work. Moa isn’t just a transformation that locks your bars, it has a side-effect of purposefully getting rid of pets. It even stables a Rangers pet, but that is much less harsh because it can be immediately resummoned, and is often less crucial to the build than all of the necros pets.

Tyrant.2694:

Meriem.3504:

BobJoeXXI.2493:

Moa form killing minions is way as intended, unfortunately. Not only does it kill minions, but it also stops plague and lich form. This is not, however, exclusive to Necromancer as Warrior’s Rampage, Guardian’s Tomes, and Engineer’s Elixer X all end when transformed into a Moa.

Countering an Elite skill with another elite skill isn’t the issue. Countering my entire non weapon related skill bar from the healing skill to the elite is (every one of them can be a minion). The pets go on CD when they die so you can’t resummon instantly. That is just flat out broken. That in equivalent to me having some spell that when cast puts all your non weapon related skills on a 30+ sec CD on any class.

Sounds to me like you should consider using a few different utility skills, the fact you loose your “entire non weapon related skill bar” is totally by choice and knowing that people who use skills that could morph all the way to push or pull you into water could just ravage your build.

If it is intended and I don’t like it, yes this I should find a build I am happy with but if this is not intended and was an oversight or a bad balance, then its a problem that should be addressed.

I asked Hamm ingame, and he said it’s likely a bug. The lord be praised.

Jon also confirmed, bug and will be changed.