Guild Wars 2

So, I been hearing things about this, and went checked it out with a friend playing the personal story. And I have to ask. What the bloody hell? It seem like parts of the Pact storyline are completley missing now, and some parts of the personal story have been jumbled up. I’m reporting this here as a bug cause I’m hoping its so but really what the hell? The Tonn storyline seems to be just, gone, poof. And the story after that involving the invasion of Orr by the pact seems to be just all mixed up and all over the place. Should I have my friend stop playing his personal story? Is this just a current bug, or is this an intentional new change with the feature patch?

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

From the update notes:

Chapter 7 is now focused on helping Trahearne cleanse Orr.
Chapter 8 is now focused on defeating Zhaitan.

So this is intentional? to flip the story around and remove parts of it? Please tell me you are joking. This is a terrible change, while some people may have complained about the personal story, I actually liked it. Now it just a jumbled mess and in many cases doesn’t even make sense. This is terrible, I hope you guys intend on reverting this change, cause as it is it just makes the story confusing and bad.

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

From the update notes:

Chapter 7 is now focused on helping Trahearne cleanse Orr.
Chapter 8 is now focused on defeating Zhaitan.

What does this mean in practical terms? Have pieces of the story been moved/removed as players are saying? Thanks.

Tanek.5983:

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

From the update notes:

Chapter 7 is now focused on helping Trahearne cleanse Orr.
Chapter 8 is now focused on defeating Zhaitan.

What does this mean in practical terms? Have pieces of the story been moved/removed as players are saying? Thanks.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Broken-Character-Story/first#post4392288 This post goes into more depth on the change, as it is its fairly much the experience I witnessed with my friend watching over his shoulder, its just a confusing mess, things out of order, things missing, people acting like they know stuff before they have even met each other or even know about the situation.

Quoted from Vyetta.3976

“I already leveled one character all the way to 80 and did the personal story up to what seems to now be the middle of the level 70 story quests. Today I got another character to 70 and did chapter 7 after the patch. Please tell me this is something that’s going to be fixed because this is the order my story went in

-Chapter 7 started with rescuing the researchers, as usual

-Jumped right to battle for Fort Trinity

-After battle it cut out EVERYTHING including meeting whatever that water chick’s name is. It goes all the way to when you have to escort Trehearne to the tombs (which is in a level 80 zone) to cleanse what he thinks is the heart of Orr. Norn shaman lady gets risen, all that fun stuff

Also after I killed the eye and cleansed Orr I went back to fort trinity to find Trehearne… who stops me? Water chick!!! Mind you I only knew who she was because when I leveled a character before this horrible patch I actually got to do the part of the story she was in. This time around, if I were new, I’d have absolutely no idea who she was and how my character seemed to know her. But for some reason, they do.

Please fix this. I love the character story and I’m very upset that I missed out on a lot of things I was looking forward to seeing when I picked different options than my previous character had. This really takes away from the game for me and I can see this confusing a lot of others. I’m dreading continuing to play because I don’t want to miss out on anything else. I don’t want to stop playing or being able to experience the story that goes with my character… which was a big reason I loved this game in the first place"

This is why the new story change is both confusing and in dumb.

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

From the update notes:

Chapter 7 is now focused on helping Trahearne cleanse Orr.
Chapter 8 is now focused on defeating Zhaitan.

Please, I beg you, revert these changes. They break the story and continuity of the game. They are objectively – not subjectively, but objectively – bad. The story objectively has ceased to make canonical sense as of these changes. There are continuity issues galore, and the personal story’s final chapters have become a disorganised, convoluted and error-ridden mess. There is no justification for these changes, at all. Please do not let these parts of the game become ruined.

For a feature pack that has supposedly focused so much on the new player experience, it seems extremely unfortunate that it has simultaneously destroyed the climactic final chapters of the story for new players.

Lasur Arkinshade.4107:

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

From the update notes:

Chapter 7 is now focused on helping Trahearne cleanse Orr.
Chapter 8 is now focused on defeating Zhaitan.

Please, I beg you, revert these changes. They break the story and continuity of the game. They are objectively – not subjectively, but objectively – bad. The story objectively has ceased to make canonical sense as of these changes. There are continuity issues galore, and the personal story’s final chapters have become a disorganised, convoluted and error-ridden mess. There is no justification for these changes, at all. Please do not let these parts of the game become ruined.

For a feature pack that has supposedly focused so much on the new player experience, it seems extremely unfortunate that it has simultaneously destroyed the climactic final chapters of the story for new players.

Exactly this. As I mentioned in my own post, My character and others talked to and about people I hadn’t gotten the opportunity to actually see in the story yet. If I were new, I would be horribly confused. It’s absolutely broken, I challenge you to actually play through it and tell us it’s not. There was nothing wrong with how it was to begin with! And if people did complain, I’m sure they wouldn’t change it and risk it no longer making any sense.

Now when a friend runs into the under water woman after defeating the eye and thinks they missed something, I’ll have to explain to them how Anet thought it best to jumble up the story… so they have to ignore that woman/creature they haven’t seen before??? really? Just as an example, but seeing her as a new player would both confuse and worry me let alone the fact that she already seemed to know my character, and them her.

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

From the update notes:

Chapter 7 is now focused on helping Trahearne cleanse Orr.
Chapter 8 is now focused on defeating Zhaitan.

So:
Trahearne cleanses Orr. Pact has no trouble airshipping around Orr
Trahearne fights alongside you as you push into Orr
Trahearne is too tired to fight Zaithan because of the cleansing process.

Really, how does this change make any sense ?

Or should ANET just admit that they don’t care about the Personal Story ?
Which has been obvious since it had us defending the ruins of LA like it’s a major city. Or the Pact basing out of the ruins of Concordia.

I just don’t see how new players to GW2 will see Trahearne as sane. Or their character as sane for following him. Assuming they don’t quit after being directed to Frostgorge at low level

Yikes.

So, I have a guildie who was on what used to be a Ch7 story part and now it is in 8. does that mean he misses out on what used to be in between?

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073:

I just don’t see how new players to GW2 will see Trahearne as sane. Or their character as sane for following him.

Well, as to that point, how many people really thought him sane before? :P

P.S. I am still annoyed that the Chronicles of Narnia boxed sets all have The Magician’s Nephew as book 1 now, so I know how to hold a grudge over the re-ordering of a story.

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

Tanek.5983:

So, I have a guildie who was on what used to be a Ch7 story part and now it is in 8. does that mean he misses out on what used to be in between?

No, though your question confuses me. No story steps moved from Chapter 7 to Chapter 8—just the opposite.

The story confuses me, why was this change made? There was honestly no forewarning of this or anything. No questions from the community, no hey were fixing up the personal story to make more sense (if thats what you think its doing). Why was this change made? And if we can prove to you that this change was bad, will you revert it? Like please don’t take this as I’m being harsh or coming across as attacking you, I personally love the personal story. I loved the lore and the feel of it and everything that went with it and this change is just heartbreaking to see.

Now that I finished watching him finish his personal story I have to give my total feelings on it. To put it best, this change to the story makes using GW1 Prophecy as a template makes it like once we finish Crystal Desert missions, we go do the first two missions in Ring of Fire Islands, then head back to do the Deldrimor missions then finish off with Hell’s Precipice back on Ring of Fire Islands. The changes destroy the story it doesnt make it easier to follow or better, it just makes it a confusing. Please revert this change.

Also I’m not the only one that feels this way theres an entire thread here on reddit about it as well http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2g02mx/the_personal_story_doesnt_make_sense_since_the/

Help! My personal storyline is officially “broken”! I can’t progress at all & this is near the start of the game. Here are the details for my Sylvari>

Personal Storyline (my actual character level is 69):
Awakening (Level 10) Mender Aviala
“Speak to Mender Aviala” << is ticked

There is no green star on the map, no cutscene, no instances. Whenever I try to talk to the Mender Aviala she gives me normal dialogue options which lead nowhere. I’m at the point where you have to get the Troll Salve & its for the Moon Shield path. Can someone please look into this as I’m not alone and other players are having the exact same issue. Is there anything I can do to bypass this? Plz Help!!!

And yes I’ve tried relogging, patching to latest patch, rebooting. And I only see a green star if I’m not on the Caledon Map, but once I’m on the map the green star completely disappears altogether!

I personally am deeply disappointed to learn that the greatest fear arc has been completely removed from the personal story. I have 3 characters that have completed their personal stories. Looking over their story journals, their histories have been totally rewritten. NPCs they met and those early Pact missions…all gone. And my other characters will never experience the joy of meeting Tonn, the heartbreak of seeing Apatia suffer, or the redemption of clearing their besmirched name. Please restore this arc to the personal story.

Tanek.5983:

P.S. I am still annoyed that the Chronicles of Narnia boxed sets all have The Magician’s Nephew as book 1 now, so I know how to hold a grudge over the re-ordering of a story.

You’re kidding! That’s a travesty. The whole point is to be amazed by the creation of the world you already know. Reading it first loses all the impact!

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

Tanek.5983:

So, I have a guildie who was on what used to be a Ch7 story part and now it is in 8. does that mean he misses out on what used to be in between?

No, though your question confuses me. No story steps moved from Chapter 7 to Chapter 8—just the opposite.

Hmm. Ok, looks like his current step was in 8, just much earlier than where I am.

He is on ‘Estate of Decay’ and I am on ’Romke’s Final Voyage’. I’m now showing my part as in 7 and the journal does not seem to show much of what I had worked on leading up to this point. He is in 8 and the concern was that since he is now “ahead” of me in the new ordering, he will end up skipping some of the parts I’d done.

Also, I wondered if I’d now end up replaying things I’ve already completed. I was nearing the end instance.

Re: Narnia

You’re kidding! That’s a travesty. The whole point is to be amazed by the creation of the world you already know. Reading it first loses all the impact!

Exactly!

I am honestly completely befuddled at who made the decision to cut this part of the story and needlessly reorganise the Orr plot. I mean… why? Did whoever make that decision not have any grasp on the concept that stories tend to have a logical progression of events and plot points? The whole idea of a story is that you follow it from beginning to end and because of that you get an enriching experience that makes chronological sense.

It should have been obvious to anyone at ArenaNet that mercilessly and carelessly rearranging the key plot points of the personal story will result in continuity errors and broken pacing… but they did it anyway.

This is worse than what George Lucas did with Star Wars. At least he didn’t have the Death Star get blown up before Luke meets Han Solo.

My advice to the ANET design team is “roll-back the changes made to the personal storyline”, go back to the drawing board & re-discuss the whole concept & actually pay attention to what your players are saying. That’s my opinion<<

I just started chapter 8 before the patch. Since some steps were moved to chapter 7, am I going to skip them?

Adding this here

I have not even spoken to Tonn yet and got greeted with this at the VERY BEGINNING of chapter 8

First of all: Ow, well now I know he dies?

2nd: Tell me the chapters aren’t confusing/broken now, Anet….

Vyetta.3976:

Adding this here

I have not even spoken to Tonn yet and got greeted with this at the VERY BEGINNING of chapter 8

First of all: Ow, well now I know he dies?

2nd: Tell me the chapters aren’t confusing/broken now, Anet….

Oh, don’t worry. Tonn’s arc has been removed. It’s totally not confusing at all to speak about consoling Tonn’s widow (neither of whom you’ve met yet) since now you’ll never meet the guy at all or his widow. Because logic.

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

MentalFS.2589:

I just started chapter 8 before the patch. Since some steps were moved to chapter 7, am I going to skip them?

No, the story script will recognize that you’re on Ch8 but did not complete the steps that moved to Ch7, and they will occur where they used to in Ch8.

Working as intended. Great job, ANet. This patch is just one disaster after another one…

/quote

Help! My personal storyline is officially “broken”! I can’t progress at all & this is near the start of the game. Here are the details for my Sylvari>

Personal Storyline (my actual character level is 69):
Awakening (Level 10) Mender Aviala
“Speak to Mender Aviala” << is ticked

There is no green star on the map, no cutscene, no instances. Whenever I try to talk to the Mender Aviala she gives me normal dialogue options which lead nowhere. I’m at the point where you have to get the Troll Salve & its for the Moon Shield path. Can someone please look into this as I’m not alone and other players are having the exact same issue. Is there anything I can do to bypass this? Plz Help!!!

And yes I’ve tried relogging, patching to latest patch, rebooting. And I only see a green star if I’m not on the Caledon Map, but once I’m on the map the green star completely disappears altogether! /unquote

Sorry, I can’t figure out how to make it quote, but I’m having the exact same issue.

Wait wait wait…
I had 2 left. 2 to finish my PS.
I’m now in Chpt 7?
And it’s lovely that the Wiki has been altered, and that any trace of the original PS arc has been obliterated. I appreciate that. Really. You can throw any amount of sarcasm you like into that statement. It won’t hold a candle to the amount of true disappointment and honest hostility I’m feeling right now.
Completing my PS has been put on hold due to real life. My best friend has received his Master’s degree and is finally settled in his new job. We have been awaiting the time to finally finish the PS arc we started over a year ago.
And now this. This “re-work” of the PS system that wasn’t broken to begin with, that in all of the time I’ve spent on the forums I’ve never seen any complaints about (at least about continuity).
My character’s life has been re-written, and now placed “back in time” so far it will take us a month (or more) to dig our way back to the place we were when he started school last year.
2 quests away, and now this.
I am so angry I’m not sure I will play a PS on any character I have ever again.
You can reprimand me, delete my post, I really don’t care. You need to know how upset this makes me, as a member of your player base, to cut and paste and jigsaw the game back and forth with zero warning, zero reasoning.
I spend time and money personally to facilitate your game, have brought in 7 additional game accounts by word of mouth, and I feel like I’ve been betrayed with your new game design.

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

MentalFS.2589:

I just started chapter 8 before the patch. Since some steps were moved to chapter 7, am I going to skip them?

No, the story script will recognize that you’re on Ch8 but did not complete the steps that moved to Ch7, and they will occur where they used to in Ch8.

Can you explain to us how this isn’t confusing and working well? You seem to be dodging that with “working as intended”

Explain how having Trehearne console you on Tonn’s death and the widows grief isn’t totally confusing to new players when the entire arch was taken out

Or how being stopped by Sayeh casually before Trehearne has even introduced you to her isn’t confusing

The story wasn’t broken before, now it’s COMPLETELY ruined and confusing. All we’re asking is if we can have the story back to when it ran smoothly if time isn’t going to be put into making it run smoothly with this needless change. I’ve several friends and a sister that just started playing the game and haven’t hit 70 yet (thank the gods) and I’d feel devastated if they missed out on what was a great story and one of the reasons I loved this game so much

Mr. Vaughn, I have to ask if you (and the Anet staff responsible for the PS changes) ever heard of Ann Landers. For those not familiar with her, she was an advice columnist in the great days of newspapers. She had a lot of witticisms and rules that she would apply while giving answers to problems in her advice column. With this change in the personal story, Anet has broken one of the biggest rules Ann Landers made for living a better life:

“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

I hereby beg you to redo this devastating change on the PS as a gamer that is here since Beta and frequently supports the game by buying your Gem Cards.

PLEASE put it back to normal!

It was good as it was before, and as others said before: Don’t try to fix it, if it isn’t broken.

The reason most players disliked the PS was utterly because of that kitten Trahearne and that some quests were simply too long. But nothing more! Everything else was – when reading and watching the cutscences – an amazing experience.

And you completely ruined that feeling.

I know you want to make the game more ‘easy’ for new players, but everyone so far made it. And why wouldn’t we?

In my opinion the whole leveling system was well thought and implemented. But now everything is highlighted like every new player is literally either blind or kittened and I see no challenge at all anymore and hence no feeling of accomplishing something (be it a very long quest etc.) with a feeling of relief.
Now it’s just ‘nah… another part done… who the hell is that character… when did that guy die?’
I think I don’t have to mention that everything is messed up as well considering you ‘deleted the red thread’, thinking about Tonn and his widow or a wild appearing Sayeh al’Rajihd….

I have many more reasons for you to reconsider this awful change, but it’s very late already.

Edit:
Additionally… To remove ALL loot from any mob inside the instance is also…let’s say reckless..
Back when I did the PS for the first time, I relied on the loot from the mobs as it was more or less the only way to get new equipment. Now everything, every mob and just everything you do is in vein and simply a pain. No one! And really no one will want to complete this like now without any real reward. The bags you somethings get as reward contains only crappy items and don’t contain – as you said – equipment suitable for the character’s class with a higher drop chance.

I hope this is also an issue you will be reconsidering.

To all others out there that are the same opinion: Tell your guild mates, friends etc to push this thread so it gets more attention from ANet.

Xhex.9728:

To all others out there that are the same opinion: Tell your guild mates, friends etc to push this thread so it gets more attention from ANet.

This this this. Please bump! I don’t want to have to walk away from this game I LOVE because no one in anet seems to car about how confusing and frustrating the story is now

The Tonn story arc is not gone according to this individual on reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2g57cq/greatest_fear_arc_isnt_gone_guys/

anzenketh.3759:

The Tonn story arc is not gone according to this individual on reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2g57cq/greatest_fear_arc_isnt_gone_guys/

I’ve played all the way through chapter 7 and just started chapter 8, there was no Tonn story… yet I got Trahearne consoling me on his death.

The fact that the story is still scrambled, whether or not Tonn is in there somewhere, is still completely annoying and likely confusing to people who’ve never played through it before. Sayeh appears and greets you long before you actually get to meet her? We totally skip the ENTIRE temple of lyssa quest up to just after charging into orr with charr tanks? And then in the same swoop totally miss another important NPCs death

I am extremely dismayed and horrified at what’s happening with the personal story. (One of the better, written things in the game, and it feels like is been sabotaged.)

Those of us who know what the story is suppose to be like are now being punished with a butchered rendition of this fiasco. People who come in after the fact will KNOW and notice differences and then look up why things don’t make sense and will find posts and other such findings on the internet and they will then complain too. It just boggles the mind that someone thought, “Hey, lets take this established story with taped parts that establishes the order of how events occur and just reorganize it. No one will notice that b will come after y and z will come before l…”

Yeah right. This is the internet, everyone notices.

Since some person on reddit claims it is still there but several others have reported it gone, it would be nice if Anet could confirm whether this is intended or a bug. I sincerely hope it is a bug (although I am horrified that the patch would ship with such a huge story and lore-breaking bug in it), but seeing as the devs have ignored or dodged such requests up until now, I do not have much hope.

I can confirm that the Fear Arc recap is missing from the Story Journal for all of my level 80’s. This is a bug, and should be fixed.

I haven’t yet been able to attempt the arc post-Feature-Pack to see if this makes a difference in what appears in the Story Journal, and whether the Fear Arc is actually missing from the game.

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

From the update notes:

Chapter 7 is now focused on helping Trahearne cleanse Orr.
Chapter 8 is now focused on defeating Zhaitan.

Um, I mean no offense but this doesn’t say much. Does it imply that on the quest “A Light in the Darkness”, you can no longer do that part where you speak to the Pale Tree and answer her questions related to your greatest fears? If you guys did remove it, I implore you to bring it back.

All we wanted was a more engaging Zhaitan fight
Not a chaotic mess that’s been created, sigh I miss the GW1 team

tovadaun.6304:

Wait wait wait…
I had 2 left. 2 to finish my PS.
I’m now in Chpt 7?
And it’s lovely that the Wiki has been altered, and that any trace of the original PS arc has been obliterated. I appreciate that. Really. You can throw any amount of sarcasm you like into that statement. It won’t hold a candle to the amount of true disappointment and honest hostility I’m feeling right now.
Completing my PS has been put on hold due to real life. My best friend has received his Master’s degree and is finally settled in his new job. We have been awaiting the time to finally finish the PS arc we started over a year ago.
And now this. This “re-work” of the PS system that wasn’t broken to begin with, that in all of the time I’ve spent on the forums I’ve never seen any complaints about (at least about continuity).
My character’s life has been re-written, and now placed “back in time” so far it will take us a month (or more) to dig our way back to the place we were when he started school last year.
2 quests away, and now this.
I am so angry I’m not sure I will play a PS on any character I have ever again.
You can reprimand me, delete my post, I really don’t care. You need to know how upset this makes me, as a member of your player base, to cut and paste and jigsaw the game back and forth with zero warning, zero reasoning.
I spend time and money personally to facilitate your game, have brought in 7 additional game accounts by word of mouth, and I feel like I’ve been betrayed with your new game design.

(Checks official wiki)

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Personal_story

I have taken a look at this and it looks like the details remained intact related to the Greatest Fear part of the storyline. Unless the wiki article writers of this forgot to mention these, it looks like these events can still be played in-game but would not be mentioned in the story journal in favor of a summarized version of what has transpired in these chapters.

Speaking of which, I have noticed these screenshots showing off the Journal itself,. I ask this: how many of the players who reported this problem actually started A Light in the Darkness after the patch was released? If so, were you still able to make those choices in Greatest Fear in the game?

@Vyetta, I know you mentioned your experience on this thread but forgive me for taking your claim with a grain of salt unless I see some substantial evidence confirming this.

Bottom line, if the problem lies with erasing those details from the Story Journal itself, then I can live with that. I won’t be happy about it, but I’d at least be relieved. But if the actual quests were removed from the game itself, then we got a big problem.

If I recall, the goal of the NPE involves condensing story bits making them part of a larger chapter. As indicated on the screenshots I got here, it mentions that I have to get a “key element” which from my playthrough with my Elementalist, refers to the Krait Orb I would get with Apatia.

On the second part, it also mentions that I have to “finish the mission I started at Trahearne’s request” before I take part in the offensive on Orr, in this case, the rescuing of Apatia. I played this quest post-patch but I started A Light in the Darkness pre-patch. If this is the case, then it would be safe to assume that these quests were not removed from the game, it just wasn’t referred in detail on the Story Journal as before in favor of, like I said on the last post, a summary of what happened.

Well, greatest fear arc is gone for new players and anyone who wasn’t on the story arc before the patch. They really remove it and it kinda sad, because after 2 years you can’t really chance the story around.

My theory is they removed this story arc, because now PS starts at lvl 10 not at lvl 2, so every PS arcs were pushed +10 lvls and at lvl 80 they though their was too many story missions.. IF that is true its really sad and lazy.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/My-Greatest-Fear-Plotline/first
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2g57cq/greatest_fear_arc_isnt_gone_guys/

In the links you will be able to find evidence, that greatest fear arc is removed for everyone that didn’t start it before patch.

I have checked these out myself, StarDroid. And from the looks of it, it can still be played. But the details of that quest would be less elaborate than the previous patch’s Journal. As far as evidence is concerned, all I see is the word of other people, which doesn’t convince me of this issue.

Jeffrey mentioned this:
If you were on the storyline pre-patch, you’ll still be on it post-patch. (Thought it might not be visible until you reach L70, since it’s in Chapter 7.)

By that, it would imply that the whole story with your greatest fear is a part of Chapter 7 because the patch is supposed to reorganize the individual Personal Story quests into bigger story chapters.

Malkavian.4516:

@Vyetta, I know you mentioned your experience on this thread but forgive me for taking your claim with a grain of salt unless I see some substantial evidence confirming this.

I understand that my lack of evidence is a problem and I was going to get some when I got a third to 70 since when I did it this time around I did not expect things to be this messed up. The fear arch is gone, I have no idea about the vision because my character was lvl 68 when the patch hit. Tonn was nowhere to be found but I still got consoled on his death

You don’t have to believe me, you can go see for yourself, but I will be taking video when I get my norn to these levels… if I can stomach it. If it was just me and a few others complaining, I can totally see how you’d see a few trolls giving the devs grief. But when there are this many people upset about the same thing and Jeremy giving us vague answers and totally and blatantly ignoring the main questions, there is something wrong.

I know there are people who made false claims about just how messed up the leveling system is, so I can understand Anet looking out for more griefers.

It’s fine and I am glad you don’t take offense to what I said. I am just looking at it as I see it. But if it wasn’t available, then it could just be a major bug that is hard to access. I’d probably will try it out for myself but it would take me days.

Oh, and I’ll look forward to that video if you ever get the chance to do so.

How hard is it for someone at ArenaNet to just explain these changes? And how they effect existing characters?

Most of 60+ characters seem to be somewhere in chapter 7. Do these all play out the old order?

The one done with Cleansing but not yet through the dungeon bit (ick!) is at the final step of chapter 8.

If you’re going to make significant changes to existing characters — common curtesy says you explain said changes to said players…

Mr Snotty Pants.3980:

How hard is it for someone at ArenaNet to just explain these changes? And how they effect existing characters?

Most of 60+ characters seem to be somewhere in chapter 7. Do these all play out the old order?

The one done with Cleansing but not yet through the dungeon bit (ick!) is at the final step of chapter 8.

If you’re going to make significant changes to existing characters — common curtesy says you explain said changes to said players…

And answer our questions… Instead of dodging them and answering with changes made. We know what was changed!!! Why was it changed? And can we get it back to where it at least makes sense…

Until we at least get to talk to someone who isn’t going to do nothing but back this ridiculous scrambled story up, I refuse to spend any more money on gems or recommend the game to any more players.

If they will fully rework PS chapters 7-8, not only stop at changing the order of missions around and “deleting” 1 story arc, but add new dialogues and will fix the current plot holes, that where created by deleting 1 arc and changing the order of missions. I will live with that.

Currently it looks like they just toke PS that is currently used in China with dialogues written for thous changes and just dumped them here without adding or fixing old dialogues.

I really don’t want to do PS again now, because their is a chance it could changed soon, because this situation just doesn’t look normal, but I might do it just to see how bad it really is, because currently I’m relaying on guildies and other posts on information.

Mr Snotty Pants.3980:

How hard is it for someone at ArenaNet to just explain these changes? And how they effect existing characters?

Most of 60+ characters seem to be somewhere in chapter 7. Do these all play out the old order?

The one done with Cleansing but not yet through the dungeon bit (ick!) is at the final step of chapter 8.

If you’re going to make significant changes to existing characters — common curtesy says you explain said changes to said players…

Regarding that, I asked Chris regarding that question and he says that he’ll look into it for more information, at least in relation to the missing quests.

I think I’m asking for something much more basic — how are existing characters, on Greatest Fear or later, mapped to the new system?

What bugs me with the last few patches is that my existing characters get shoved into these new systems (new trait schedule, new skills schedule, new personal story schedule) and I’m having to sift through message boards to figure out what happened.

There should be a section in the patch notes that clearly outlines what this stuff means to existing characters. As it is, I feels like existing characters under level 80 are an after thought…

Okay guys, I managed to jump into the instance in question and this is what I see. Therefore, the Greatest Fear is intact.

Malkavian.4516:

Okay guys, I managed to jump into the instance in question and this is what I see. Therefore, the Greatest Fear is intact.

I cant see attachment. Was it in Chapter 7 or 8? I can’t account for anything before that but I can only say when I entered chapter 7 I found everything scrambled and out of order. When I started chapter 8 is when I got Trahearne’s speech about Tonn… but I was not able to do Tonn’s event.

If this is an issue for only some people I’d like to give as much information as possible, I suppose

I play a Sylvari ranger and before the patch I had finished chapter 6. I was somewhere betweem 62-68 at the time of the patch. I picked as a fear “being the cause of someone’s suffering” or something to that effect, but didn’t get an event that went along with it. But I was still graced with Trahearne’s speech on Tonn’s death

Besides the greatest fear taken out I’d still like an explination on the scrambled chapters that make absolutely no sense. It skipped over so much and jumped around right to the cleansing after I took fort trinity. I saw Sayeh (or whatever her name is, water babe) before being introduced to her, but still my character acted as if they’d met before