Tequatl not casting watery grave

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Posted by: TheCavis.8012

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Teq is not casting watery grave when it hits the first defense phase. As you can see in the attached screenshot, the NPC does not alert (“Watch out for the whirlpool! Evade it, or you’ll be pulled under”; should occur before the first defense phase at 10:05PM) and the whirlpools do not appear.

I’m not sure if this is happening in every Teq, though I’ve done four this week (three random maps at reset; the attached image is from a guild spawn tonight with [Att]). I’ve been positioning myself for the whirpools so I can get the required Gloom achievement, but there have been no NPC calls and no whirlpools in any run thus far. Since all phases are chained after that, the absence of the initial cast at 75% health is blocking progress on the collection.

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Posted by: onevstheworld.2419

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Don’t even try when it’s a guild organized map… unless they were intentionally doing low DPS (some do run no-defense just for lols), the higher level of coordination guarantees too much DPS.

Try zone into a map 5 minutes or less before spawn (or even just after spawn). You take the risk that the map doesn’t have the DPS to get Teq to 75%, but once there, you have a longer time for the whirlpools to spawn. Whirlpools also can spawn during the 50% and 25% burns if the DPS is low enough.

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Posted by: Romo.3709

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I’ve been trying for 3 days now… I even get on maps right at spawn time and still no luck…

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

John Smith: “you should kill monsters, because killing monsters is awesome.”

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Posted by: Khisanth.2948

Khisanth.2948

Don’t even try when it’s a guild organized map… unless they were intentionally doing low DPS (some do run no-defense just for lols), the higher level of coordination guarantees too much DPS.

It can still spawn whirlpools when that is done.

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Posted by: TheCavis.8012

TheCavis.8012

Don’t even try when it’s a guild organized map… unless they were intentionally doing low DPS (some do run no-defense just for lols), the higher level of coordination guarantees too much DPS.

Try zone into a map 5 minutes or less before spawn (or even just after spawn). You take the risk that the map doesn’t have the DPS to get Teq to 75%, but once there, you have a longer time for the whirlpools to spawn. Whirlpools also can spawn during the 50% and 25% burns if the DPS is low enough.

I was hoping that an uncapped, lower population map would have better luck. It was a bit slower on the first 25%, but each burn was nice and fast.

I’ll try again tonight and tomorrow. There’s a long list of superstitions of “how to get pulled under” that I can try on different spawns, so I’ll just camp out in Sparkfly and see how it goes.

So many “it always spawns at 75%, you just need to” posts…

Even the video I found showing how to get the Gloom doesn’t have them spawn at 75%…

… he just gets lucky and they’re slow on a burn. That’s also from January, so it’s not something that popped up this patch. I probably just noticed it now because I actually needed watery grave.

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Posted by: onevstheworld.2419

onevstheworld.2419

It’s definitely not easy, it took me a bit more than a week to finally get it.

I mostly do defense at Teq, so I can’t really comment on the “always at 75%” claims. But you could try disable “Effect LOD” in your options menu… I’m not sure if the whirlpool graphic gets culled with that setting on, but I’ve found it useful in other situations e.g. seeing opponent tells during PvP.

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Posted by: Firmicute.3876

Firmicute.3876

Well I have never seen it fail but the pool seem to be a bit rare.. I saw them 4,5 times, got pulled under 3 times now for all the time I have done it and were near the zone where those pools spawn.. So I saw them on high dps maps (done in 3 phases, always did so much dps that he didnt do anything but get hit&then fly away after enough dps) around the 75% phase- I once got pulled into one while teq was hopping away. Died too because i wasnt expecting the thing spawning under me..^^^*

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Posted by: TheCavis.8012

TheCavis.8012

It’s definitely not easy, it took me a bit more than a week to finally get it.

I mostly do defense at Teq, so I can’t really comment on the “always at 75%” claims. But you could try disable “Effect LOD” in your options menu… I’m not sure if the whirlpool graphic gets culled with that setting on, but I’ve found it useful in other situations e.g. seeing opponent tells during PvP.

It definitely always used to spawn at 75%. I did Teq with my server (SBI) almost every day for a little over a year and the NPC whirlpool call always happened at the start of the first phase.

Effect LOD didn’t make a difference.

Getting into a disorganized map didn’t make a difference. It took until ~9:30 to get the first phase done, but everything chained after that. Meanwhile, I left a decently organized map that my guild mates were on and they had whirlpools spawn when they hit phase with ~11:00 left on the clock. [headdesk]

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

@OP: there are only two options for getting the achievement/collection item(s) at the moment:

  • Keep on doing what you have been doing, trying different attempts and hoping to get lucky that a group is good enough to tear down enough of Teq’s health quickly enough…but not too quickly.
  • Wait for ANet to adjust the requirements, as they have suggested that they are doing.

Unfortunately, neither is a great option, if you are in a rush to finish your legendary. I realize it’s frustration, but there really isn’t anything we, as players, can do right now.

Well, that’s not entirely true: I imagine a guild could get together to trigger a Tequatl instance early, bring tons of coordinated firepower, and then… stop attacking at tactical fractions of Tequatl’s health (maybe 80%, 75%1, 55%, 50%1, etc). I’m sure there would be a lot of interest in that.

John Smith: “you should kill monsters, because killing monsters is awesome.”

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Posted by: Khisanth.2948

Khisanth.2948

@OP: there are only two options for getting the achievement/collection item(s) at the moment:

  • Keep on doing what you have been doing, trying different attempts and hoping to get lucky that a group is good enough to tear down enough of Teq’s health quickly enough…but not too quickly.
  • Wait for ANet to adjust the requirements, as they have suggested that they are doing.

Unfortunately, neither is a great option, if you are in a rush to finish your legendary. I realize it’s frustration, but there really isn’t anything we, as players, can do right now.

Well, that’s not entirely true: I imagine a guild could get together to trigger a Tequatl instance early, bring tons of coordinated firepower, and then… stop attacking at tactical fractions of Tequatl’s health (maybe 80%, 75%1, 55%, 50%1, etc). I’m sure there would be a lot of interest in that.

Simply skipping one of the laser phases also works. Just need to be careful with the fish heads afterwards.

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Posted by: TheCavis.8012

TheCavis.8012

@OP: there are only two options for getting the achievement/collection item(s) at the moment:

  • Keep on doing what you have been doing, trying different attempts and hoping to get lucky that a group is good enough to tear down enough of Teq’s health quickly enough…but not too quickly.
  • Wait for ANet to adjust the requirements, as they have suggested that they are doing.

Unfortunately, neither is a great option, if you are in a rush to finish your legendary. I realize it’s frustration, but there really isn’t anything we, as players, can do right now.

Well, that’s not entirely true: I imagine a guild could get together to trigger a Tequatl instance early, bring tons of coordinated firepower, and then… stop attacking at tactical fractions of Tequatl’s health (maybe 80%, 75%1, 55%, 50%1, etc). I’m sure there would be a lot of interest in that.

I ended up going with the first option. After failing to get it at reset, I tried again at the 3-hours-after-reset Teq and was able to get it right away. The DPS was slower, there were fewer people, it wasn’t reset, it was as he was spawning fingers, random luck… I honestly don’t know why, but the whirlpools appeared, I moved as fast as I could and got under no problem.

As for what players can do, I view posting here as something useful. This bug is now documented, easily reproducible and blocking progress on a collection. I hope they don’t change the collection itself; getting watery graved is a perfect thematic addition to the collection.

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Posted by: Adzekul.3104

Adzekul.3104

People keep saying 75% all the time, and swearing by it, but it never worked for me. I got the collection done with the water grave on the second defense phase, not the first. Stand at his left arm, with the western defense event at your back. Be one of the slower ones to move to the defense event when the time comes.

Adzekul of The Seafarer’s Rest

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Posted by: onevstheworld.2419

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… The DPS was slower…

That was my point. Whether or not Teq always spawns whirlpools at 75%, a slow burn allows him to spawn more whirlpools during all the burns phases and give you a better chance of catching one. During my successful run, I got pulled in at the 75%, 50% and 25% phases.

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

… The DPS was slower…

That was my point. Whether or not Teq always spawns whirlpools at 75%, a slow burn allows him to spawn more whirlpools during all the burns phases and give you a better chance of catching one. During my successful run, I got pulled in at the 75%, 50% and 25% phases.

Yeah, I think this is what everyone is trying to say.

edit: @OP: forgot to say: gz on getting your item! glad it worked out for you

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