Guild Wars 2

Hello arena.net & all players.

First of all, before I get epicly flamed, I would like to apologize for openning a new topic to talk about this, since probably there are a bilion of other posts like this one. I’ve never been good in forums, etc.

I came here to share my PC composition, and I would like to say > that this PC will be ready to play Far Cry in maximum graphics mode, and I’m also able to play a lot of other 2012 games in “best appearence” at the moment, without FPS issues. <

Sometimes, in a few areas I get 60 FPS, but there are also a LOT of maps where I’m always getting 40 ( more or less ), Lion’s Arch its just horrible, I get almost the same FPS’s as my old PC in Lion’s Arch (old PC costed me like 500€ in 2006, my new PC is a BEAST compared to my old one). Also, there are situations when I aim my camera to the floor (eg: Citadel of Flame) I get weird FPS, its like 10 FPS’s but can move the camera “normally”, its not like 10 FPS “photos-mode” x)

My PC Settings:

CPU – INTEL CORE i5 3570K (3.4GHZ) SKT 1155
Graphic Card – MSI GTX660 Ti POWER EDITION OC 2GB DDR5 PCI-E
Motherboard – ASROCK Z77 PRO4
RAM – 2x CORSAIR 8GB DDR3 1600MHZ VENGEANCE (CL9 – 1.5V)
Cooler – ZALMAN CNPS11X EXTREME

I have Windows 7
DirectX11
Graphic C. Driver – NVIDIA 306.97 (most recent one for gtx660 I guess)

And, that’s it… I would like to know what’s happening… I know that the game is recent and its not totally optimized. But there are a lot of people who play in “peace”, without this kind of issues.
Its the first time I post info about my PC, so, let me know if the information above isn’t enough and you need more. Also, let me know if there’s a specific place where I can post my PC settings so arena.net can check that out since I read a post where devs said he wanted GW to work perfectly in every different PC composition.

SORRY BAD ENGLISH!

Will be waiting for answer,

Best Regards, EMP

Your PC is average, not epic, not a beast, sorry. What resolution you playing in?

I can say that when I game with a single MSI GTX660Ti Power Edition @ 2560×1600, my FPS are almost exactly the same as yours. Perhaps a little bit better because my cpu is stronger & I always overclock my GPU’s.

It wasn’t until I add a second GPU for SLi do I see 60FPS pretty much everywhere except of course WvWvW, where it drops to 40-50’s in pretty big battles.

Well, its not EPIC the way people are thinking, ofc. Since there are Graphic Cards who cost the same as my entire PC. But it can be a beast since it will handle 100% Far Cry and I’m playing a lot of other epic 2012 games, like Dishonored.

I believe that you can get 60 FPS everywhere. But, GW is “nothing” compared to a lot of Single Player games, when it comes to graphics, general art and design, etc. Like in other games, I should’ve been playing with 60 everywhere aswell, excepct in WvWvW and or dragon battles like The Shatterer, etc.

So, I TRULY believe that its an issue about the game’s optimization, so I would love to know if there’s a drive, or a way to put things better until they optimize the game (theres a devs post where they talk about it), or there’s a link/something/anything, where I can post my PC composition so arena.net can check it out.

Cheers!

By the way, 1920×1080 the resolution.

I have the same CPU as you OP and I use a single GPU (AMD/MSI Cyclone 6850).

I get 20-35ish in mega huge WvW battles on maxed settings (No Supersample).

The game’s optimization is an ongoing process, no doubt more will be done. Last I heard, the Umbra Engine folks and ANet are tweaking culling and stuff like that to help ease some system strain.

EMP.8543:

Well, its not EPIC the way people are thinking, ofc. Since there are Graphic Cards who cost the same as my entire PC. But it can be a beast since it will handle 100% Far Cry and I’m playing a lot of other epic 2012 games, like Dishonored.

I believe that you can get 60 FPS everywhere. But, GW is “nothing” compared to a lot of Single Player games, when it comes to graphics, general art and design, etc. Like in other games, I should’ve been playing with 60 everywhere aswell, excepct in WvWvW and or dragon battles like The Shatterer, etc.

So, I TRULY believe that its an issue about the game’s optimization, so I would love to know if there’s a drive, or a way to put things better until they optimize the game (theres a devs post where they talk about it), or there’s a link/something/anything, where I can post my PC composition so arena.net can check it out.

Cheers!

Err, Farcry 3 hasn’t even been released yet… So how do you know it will run it so well? Your comparing a game that hasn’t been released yet, & not even an MMO to GW2??? Don’t compare other games you play, it doesn’t work like that.

You’ve got your answer, if you don’t like it then go make a ticket or call up Anet. Got nothing to do with “Game Optimization” as you say. If your PC can’t run it how you want, then go buy a better pc. Your opinion on how you “THINK” the game “SHOULD” run on your PC is irrelevant.

Well Cbuzz, the thing is, you’re right, I can’t compare games, I just play ALL games without any FPS issue, 0%. Even RPG’s like WoW MoP. And yes, there’s a lot of ways to check if your PC will run correctly a game that hasn’t been released, and I’m not only talking about “Can you run it?!” feature.

Its not about opinion Cbuzz, you’re getting mad at me without any reason xD Since even developers admitted that they are working too slow on it, but they want to put it working perfectly, I dont know if you have a clue or not, but the game is even using D9 only, it SHOULD use D11.

I won’t buy a better PC, I bought this one just for GW2, and I abused on the price, 500€ was more than enough, EVERYONE ( more than 100 people on foruns, etc. told me that ) and I made one which costed 1100€ +.

I will repeat – I can play ALL the games you tell me to buy, in max graphics, max FPS, enough said about that.

Kuldebar, thanks for understanding, its always nice to read that its “ongoing”. Hoping for a solution, since I bought this PC just to play this amazing game.

Cheers.

Hmm i beleve you have some kind of compatability issues .. i say this becouse.

My ingame setitngs are 1920×1080 max/ultra settings .sampling on native.
Lion Arch average fps 45
Char areas (40ish)
General PVE 50-60 ..usualy 60

And you can see my rig below.

one bug i know exists is that some char areas with alot of fire around ..like those giant torches, seem to bug out and performance drops like a stone untill you reset the sampling by changing it back and forth ..So for me that native to supersampling ..then back to native.

For your other areas all i can say is that you need to check which of your components is bottlenecking. CPU or GPU. Run a monitoring program to find your GPU and CPU usuage.

Chances are in PVE area’s it should be down to your GPU, in areas like LA and deffinatly WvW it may well be down to your CPU. I personaly find that my GPU is always maxing out (to be expected wiht a 560ti).

If all else fails OC your CPU to 4ghz or above. See if that helps. You cpu doenst have to show 100% usuage to be bottlenecking .. GW2 apprently is limited to 2 to 2.5 cores so you will never see 100% usuage overall.

Your not going to max this game out get over it turn your settings down and set SS off and shadows low, overclock you CPU as Solar says to at least 4.0 The game engine is perty much what your going to get even if worked on I can’t see anything more than maby a 10% FPS increase in the future or ever. They are issues with newer GPU’s like you have but this will not improve any time soon why would they waist their time on drivers for a game that is running about the best it will get. If you think because you can max WOW you should max this game go have a lot of drinks and wake up with a hang over.

Thanks for your informations SolarNova and zerk, what you said was important, will keep all that in mind.

And zerk, you’re probably right, unfortunately… :/ It feels really really bad when you buy a PC just to play a game, and you can play ALL other games in max FPS and max graphics, except the game you truly wanted to play. :/

EMP.8543:

Thanks for your informations SolarNova and zerk, what you said was important, will keep all that in mind.

And zerk, you’re probably right, unfortunately… :/ It feels really really bad when you buy a PC just to play a game, and you can play ALL other games in max FPS and max graphics, except the game you truly wanted to play. :/

I have never play a game but SWTOR I could not just totaly destroy and I have alot of $ in my PC But this game is what it is it’s not just you everbody is playing with what they get. Anybody that says they have everything turned to max and never drop below 60FPS is just flat out a lier. It’s perty simple turn your settings down, WvW its more demanding on the CPU clock speed, I turn my settings down for the GPU even lower when I do WVW but even at my CPU clock of 4.4 on a i5 2500k it strugles and to me that is around 35/45 FPS.

EDIT One good thing about buying a high end PC is you good to go for future game even though not for this one maby never can tell.

Make sure you have the newest DirectX 9 version at this link.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35

Everyone know that you need a 3000$ PC to run gw2 with 30fps o.O

Natas.1306:

Everyone know that you need a 3000$ PC to run gw2 with 30fps o.O

This. And apparently people (ANet included, since nothing has been done) seem to think GW2 is fine and no optimization is needed or will happen in the future which basically means don’t even try playing the game in WvW or large events. Oh, unless you have a thousand dollar video card and same price processor, etc. since this game is unrealistically demanding for the average PC.

I too, can literally run any other game on the market right now in max, in any area, with 45+ FPS I think I’ve only seen a drop to 40 once. In GW2, I get 10 or less in heavy area’s.

EMP.8543:

Thanks for your informations SolarNova and zerk, what you said was important, will keep all that in mind.

And zerk, you’re probably right, unfortunately… :/ It feels really really bad when you buy a PC just to play a game, and you can play ALL other games in max FPS and max graphics, except the game you truly wanted to play. :/

What are you even complaining about ? You can play the game fine as it is the way i see it,do you realize there are people here that play the game with 5 – 15 fps Everywhere they go ? You complain about having 40 – 50 ? The game needs some optimization,as shown in the hundreds of threads available about this issue,we know this,nothing you can do about it right now.Btw,just keep everything at HIGH,Lod to Ultra,and only turn down reflections to either off,or terrain sky only.Theres something wrong with reflections.Perf hit is to big for what it does.

May I ask what Operating System your using? I know you said Windows 7, but is it 32 bit or 64?

I know when I was using Windows Xp 32 bit home edition, my FPS were on average 22 FPS. Thats “with” a clean installation.

After I installed Windows 7 64 bit, I expected a small 5 to 10 fps increase. I was SHOCKED when I started cranking out 60 fps in most area’s and 45 in heavily far out looking area’s. I have NEVER dropped below 30 fps!!!

Its like it was the cure I was looking for!

Please tell us if your windows 7 is 32 bit or 64. I know it worked for me, but i’m curious if your suffering from these performance issues because you have a 32 bit going, which limits your memory heavily! I noticed a all round improvement to all my video games now since going 64 bit and never been happier!

If I were you, I would get a second 660 ti card and you should get a lot better fps.

I go about the game world at around 40 FPS (or higher) on highest settings, not supersample. In WvW, I drop into the 20’s during mega battles.

Note: I use VSYNC with Triple-Buffering via RadeonPro

My self-built PC cost me around 600-700 dollars.

No one like 20 frames, but it’s playable and my character can still fire his abilities, a decent CPU, which the i5-3570k is, makes a big difference. My single GPU is good but getting older, the MSI Cyclone 6850 bears up well considering my unwillingness to lower any game settings.

zerk.9701:

The game engine is perty much what your going to get even if worked on I can’t see anything more than maby a 10% FPS increase in the future or ever.

Have you ever played World of Tanks ? They just did a complete Over Haul of there rendering engine in a recent update, that allowed ppl to run the game at higher settings without impacting there FPS as it did before, That alone proves that it is possible for Anet to do there own over haul to GW2, it may just take time to do it.

8.0 Overhaul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfWB2dv4oJ8

Well thats really nice to hear that after 2 years they made changes. WOT has nothing to do with this game.

Caedmon.6798:

EMP.8543:

Thanks for your informations SolarNova and zerk, what you said was important, will keep all that in mind.

And zerk, you’re probably right, unfortunately… :/ It feels really really bad when you buy a PC just to play a game, and you can play ALL other games in max FPS and max graphics, except the game you truly wanted to play. :/

What are you even complaining about ? You can play the game fine as it is the way i see it,do you realize there are people here that play the game with 5 – 15 fps Everywhere they go ? You complain about having 40 – 50 ? The game needs some optimization,as shown in the hundreds of threads available about this issue,we know this,nothing you can do about it right now.Btw,just keep everything at HIGH,Lod to Ultra,and only turn down reflections to either off,or terrain sky only.Theres something wrong with reflections.Perf hit is to big for what it does.

Well, I said I was bad with forums, so… That’s why I decided to post my PC comp.
Also, I have all the rights to complain, I’ll say this loudly > I DONT CARE IF OTHERS HAVE 1 FPS < I work hard and I abused on the price to play GW in ultra, wasted all MY MONEY ( not your money ), 40 (or even less in a lot of areas) for me isn’t enough, I’ve been playing games with ridiculous FPS’s with my old PC, I didn’t pay for a nice one, I deserved low FPS’s, now its different, in life, you will want what you worked/paid for, at least I’m not like 90% of the population who want to claim their money back in World of Warcraft and some other games just because the game was 1 day offline, I’m not even saying that I’ll stop play or something.

I already know that nothing can be done, some people answered a lot trying to help, that’s cool, but I guess I can only overclock the CPU as some people suggested while waiting for a better optimization. Other than that, this post can be deleted to be honest…

Nightstorm.8024:

May I ask what Operating System your using? I know you said Windows 7, but is it 32 bit or 64?

I know when I was using Windows Xp 32 bit home edition, my FPS were on average 22 FPS. Thats “with” a clean installation.

After I installed Windows 7 64 bit, I expected a small 5 to 10 fps increase. I was SHOCKED when I started cranking out 60 fps in most area’s and 45 in heavily far out looking area’s. I have NEVER dropped below 30 fps!!!

Its like it was the cure I was looking for!

Please tell us if your windows 7 is 32 bit or 64. I know it worked for me, but i’m curious if your suffering from these performance issues because you have a 32 bit going, which limits your memory heavily! I noticed a all round improvement to all my video games now since going 64 bit and never been happier!

Hello, thanks a lot for replying mate. And thank you for sharing your issues and the way you fixed them. My Operating System is 64 pal.

Rukia.4802:

Natas.1306:

Everyone know that you need a 3000$ PC to run gw2 with 30fps o.O

This. And apparently people (ANet included, since nothing has been done) seem to think GW2 is fine and no optimization is needed or will happen in the future which basically means don’t even try playing the game in WvW or large events. Oh, unless you have a thousand dollar video card and same price processor, etc. since this game is unrealistically demanding for the average PC.

I too, can literally run any other game on the market right now in max, in any area, with 45+ FPS I think I’ve only seen a drop to 40 once. In GW2, I get 10 or less in heavy area’s.

Thank you for sharing your situation, etc. I’m “glad” there are people who understand that games also fail in their optimization, not only our PC’s.

I have a virtual friend, which is World of Warcraft FANBOY. He bought one of the most expensive and best PC compositions ever, his graphic card costed 950 euro (unfortunately I don’t really remember the name of the graphic card). I’m sure he will be able to play even Titan (inc 2015 MMO RPG game) with high graphics with cool FPS’s. But, guess what? He sent his PC back so the store could “fix” the unfixable, he thinks WoW MoP is perfect and FPS issues are ALWAYS PC’s fault, which is a wrong way of thinking.

A guy in this topic ( don’t really remember his name and don’t even gonna check ) flamed me because I should buy a new and better PC, hahaha. So, that means when Minecraft came out and not even PC’s with 2 top 1000€ graphic cards could handle that game, those people should buy a better PC? XD

zerk.9701:

Well thats really nice to hear that after 2 years they made changes. WOT has nothing to do with this game.

You obviously missed the point, that was that it Is possible to redue to the rendering engine. Even in GW2 that is possible and as I said, it just takes time. What they need to do atm or are, is gather information, which they are. They need this information before hand otherwise redoing anything is a waste of time as all that would happen is more issues would come out of it. So ya what I said about WoT did have relevance to GW2.

I got an i7 @4.2GHz with 8gig RAM and a MSI 6950 2GB OC and I get low 20’s in Lions Arch and Black Citadel. I run @1920x1200 with max settings (native)

Deadman UK.5473:

I got an i7 @4.2GHz with 8gig RAM and a MSI 6950 2GB OC and I get low 20’s in Lions Arch and Black Citadel. I run @1920x1200 with max settings (native)

I’m starting to wonder if its resolution based, cause I’m playing at 1680×1050 and average 35+ in LA on high settings minus shadows, which are medium.

@Alteris

Did you just compare world of tanks to guild wars 2? That is a horrible comparison.

No! World of tank cannot be compared to guildwars2
Do you want a better comparison? world of tanks and crysis 2. these games in general are not cpu extensive. Most games AI stinks and they do not have to track much objects on the screen and special actions. They tend to be gpu bottlenecked.

There are only a few first player game guild wars 2 can be compared with. One of them is Skyrim. Skyrim ability to remember your player’s choices and decision with a random event generation is amazing. Thus, it became more cpu and ram extensive compared to games before it. Since guild wars 2 have to track other characters in addition to your own, it will be cpu bottlenecked. Game logic is not easily run in parallel. How do you optimize a block or dodge? Yea……it is not easy. Anet devs are not lazy, it is just that their job is difficult

loseridoit.2756:

@Alteris

Did you just compare world of tanks to guild wars 2? That is a horrible comparison.

No! World of tank cannot be compared to guildwars2
Do you want a better comparison? world of tanks and crysis 2. these games in general are not cpu extensive. Most games AI stinks and they do not have to track much objects on the screen and special actions. They tend to be gpu bottlenecked.

There are only a few first player game guild wars 2 can be compared with. One of them is Skyrim. Skyrim ability to remember your player’s choices and decision with a random event generation is amazing. Thus, it became more cpu and ram extensive compared to games before it. Since guild wars 2 have to track other characters in addition to your own, it will be cpu bottlenecked. Game logic is not easily run in parallel. How do you optimize a block or dodge? Yea……it is not easy. Anet devs are not lazy, it is just that their job is difficult

I’m not talking about there CPU intensity, I’m talking about the fact that a game engine Can be altered after release, you should read more carefully before plunging into a conversation and making assumptions.

If u seriously want to compare Guild wars 2 to anything Compare it to AION.

Yes I said it, AION.

Aion on it’s best apperance graph engine ( you can chose engine from option menu ) really puts Your Rig to a test.

Problem is that PPl with medium/high rigs as i5/i7 with 560ti/660 are getting on Sieges in aion ( 100++ ppl in same spot ) steady 50-60 fps with no problem, cause game doesn’t have issues with poor design and engine.

while in guild wars 2 with 20++ ppl fighting thier fps gets to barely 30.

Alteris.1528:

loseridoit.2756:

@Alteris

Did you just compare world of tanks to guild wars 2? That is a horrible comparison.

No! World of tank cannot be compared to guildwars2
Do you want a better comparison? world of tanks and crysis 2. these games in general are not cpu extensive. Most games AI stinks and they do not have to track much objects on the screen and special actions. They tend to be gpu bottlenecked.

There are only a few first player game guild wars 2 can be compared with. One of them is Skyrim. Skyrim ability to remember your player’s choices and decision with a random event generation is amazing. Thus, it became more cpu and ram extensive compared to games before it. Since guild wars 2 have to track other characters in addition to your own, it will be cpu bottlenecked. Game logic is not easily run in parallel. How do you optimize a block or dodge? Yea……it is not easy. Anet devs are not lazy, it is just that their job is difficult

I’m not talking about there CPU intensity, I’m talking about the fact that a game engine Can be altered after release, you should read more carefully before plunging into a conversation and making assumptions.

Sorry for my English. I been talking about game logic the whole time. Altering the game engine means changing the game logic. There are plenty of other bugs to fixed before that becomes an option. Premature optimization and alterations will only introduce hard to fix bugs. Anet already have their work cut out for them. Do not make their job worse. Remember, they been working on this game for around 5 years. World of tank is made in half the time

First part of why this game have Such engine problems is that it was released to fast.

I hate when players suffer because of companies race for money ( GW2 vs WoW:MoP )

Mrowqa.3861:

First part of why this game have Such engine problems is that it was released to fast.

I hate when players suffer because of companies race for money ( GW2 vs WoW:MoP )

The problems with MMORPG is just that they are never finished. Creating a world is not easy. Ask the people who made Skyrim. Skyrim have lots of bugs and it does not have multiplayer. I kidda hope that Anet made the beta events longer because there are plenty of bugs that cannot be found on a 2 day beta event bases. Basically, it is those bugs that require hours to months continuous play time to be discovered.

The problem with GW2 is that they didn’t make constant Playerbase Beta like WoW have.

Mrowqa.3861:

The problem with GW2 is that they didn’t make constant Playerbase Beta like WoW have.

I agree a longer beta would have ment fewer bugs and more optimization, which would have or could have avoided issues ppl are getting now.

They cant make beta’s longer. The core reason being down to how easy and quik western players these days like to level. Let me explain.

Short beta’s mean people dont have time to reach max level, if they do, they dont have long at those max levels. The downside for the game and its players, as you sugest, is that the game doesnt get tested enough. The upside for companies though is that players dont get a chance to experiance the entire game for free, instead players get just enough to want more…and thus buy the game.

IF however companies made mmo’s harder ..and by result make leveling takes a longer time….then beta’s could also last longer, granted endgame may again still not be properly tested BUT the content that is available is then tested for longer periods. .things like performance is tested longer ..skills used more often .events triggered more frequently etc. When it comes to testing end game, they can simply open a beta where all characters start at max level in the appropriat area…..its not hard to do that. They can even purposly lock content and skip content that really doesnt need testing becouse all or most of the problems that could be encounted are tested elswhere.

Unfortunatly this will never happen as MMORPG’s are generaly very easy to play these days ..they were never really hard ot begin with ..they have just got easier for sales purposes and for the fact that current generation gamers have grown up on easy games through all genres.

So yes a longer beta woulda been nice but they simply cant do it..to many people would play said long beta’s and complete most/all content before release, instead of buying the game.

Hah…I can speak to the ease of modern games. I can beat many of them for example now. Back in the NES/SNES days, it was rare for me to ever beat a game.