Guild Wars 2

What kind of performance increase should I expect to see? Every since the eotm patch (which included the performance optimizations) my 8350 has gotten decent boost in performance. I went from a average of 25-28fps looking at the mystic forge in LA, to around 35-38 average.

I was actually looking to get a R9 290/x but the prices are so expensive due to bitcoin mining that I thought maybe I should get a new cpu instead. And to make something known, I’m not the one buying it. Its a present from my sibling and she has the tendency not to buy anything if I wait too long lol.

You dont need to go for i7.
Just buy i5 4670K and better water cooling – for this game is the best!

But is now the time? Not really

What graphic settings are you using to get that 35-38 in LA?

with a 4770k you should be seeing at least 60 fps in LA, depending on your settings.

flying bee is right save a few bucks and get the i5 haswell. you wont see any difference in GW2 between the i5 and the i7.
the Asus hero is my favorite z87 motherboard. it only cost $200 and it has almost everything its $500 big brother the maximus has. But you can certainly find a decent z87 mobo for less.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131989

NeedCoffee.1402:

What graphic settings are you using to get that 35-38 in LA?

with a 4770k you should be seeing at least 60 fps in LA, depending on your settings.

flying bee is right save a few bucks and get the i5 haswell. you wont see any difference in GW2 between the i5 and the i7.
the Asus hero is my favorite z87 motherboard. it only cost $200 and it has almost everything its $500 big brother the maximus has. But you can certainly find a decent z87 mobo for less.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131989

I attached a screenshot of my settings and fps. The pc specs is what I have in my signature.

Listen, I have a $500 limit and I intend on getting my $500 worth. So money really isn’t a issue. Also, I just don’t play gw2. I do a lot of illustrating so having 4 threads in Corel Painter would be a downgrade from the 8 threads I have with my 8350.

My 4670K OC’d to 4.5GHz gets 40-70 fps normally near MF, lowest has been about 35 in queued LA, with 4770K you should see a bit more, given that you do the same OC. Motherboard and 4770K is gonna cost you 400-450 bucks so if you need to include that GPU in that price range you’re gonna have a bad time.

locx.6412:

My 4670K OC’d to 4.5GHz gets 40-70 fps normally near MF, lowest has been about 35 in queued LA, with 4770K you should see a bit more, given that you do the same OC. Motherboard and 4770K is gonna cost you 400-450 bucks so if you need to include that GPU in that price range you’re gonna have a bad time.

I plan on sticking with my R9 280x if I decide to get a new cpu. When ever you have time do you think you can take a screenshot of your fps and graphical settings while standing in the same place as I am in the screenshot?

Aza OC FX 8350 to 4.5-5Ghz
And sett shaders to low for better performance

i7 4770K 4.4GHz = i5 4670K 4.4Ghz
There will be no difference

@Aza, sure I will, I wont be home this evening but I’ll do that as soon as I can. It wont be identical because of the player factor but I’ll try to make it as same as possible.

@FlyingBee I actually believe there might be, not necessarily huge, just 1-2 fps, but since GW2 has around 50 threads (was it 47?) although only 3-4 has been stated to be heavily used, the extra threads could help a little. I don’t know where I’ve got this idea, but I also believe that they’ve done a little something to help multithreading compared to, say, few months back.

Also Shaders are more of a GPU heavy than CPU. Did you mean Shadows?

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

i7 4770K 4.4GHz = i5 4670K 4.4Ghz
There will be no difference

There is a difference, the 4670k only has 4 threads, 4770k has 8 threads. I use Corel Painter for doing illustrations, the program can be set to use the amount of cores available. So losing 4 cores/threads would be a huge downgrade from the 8350.

Aza.2105:

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

i7 4770K 4.4GHz = i5 4670K 4.4Ghz
There will be no difference

There is a difference, the 4670k only has 4 threads, 4770k has 8 threads. I use Corel Painter for doing illustrations, the program can be set to use the amount of cores available. So losing 4 cores/threads would be a huge downgrade from the 8350.

FX-8350 is indeed about 15% faster overall than 4670K. 4770K also has 2M larger cache than it’s little bother.

With the new consoles using multithreading more efficiently as well as applications, I would future proof by using the 4770k.

The thing about HT on an Intel core is you are trading multitasking two threads at full speed for simultaneous execution at possibly faster than half speed. I don’t know how well Intel’s HyperThreading efficiency improves with Corel Painter. It could be less than 10% or over 30%. And how much gain can be attributed to HT versus the slight clock bump and 2MB additional L3 cache isn’t clear either.

But if this rig isn’t just gaming and you can afford the extra $100, get the 4770K.

Behellagh.1468:

The think about HT on an Intel core is you are trading multitasking two threads at full speed for simultaneous execution at possibly faster than half speed. I don’t know how well Intel’s HyperThreading efficiency improves with Corel Painter. It could be less than 10% or over 30%. And how much gain can be attributed to HT versus the slight clock bump and 2MB additional L3 cache isn’t clear either.

But if this rig isn’t just gaming and you can afford the extra $100, get the 4770K.

Very fair points. To be honest I’m not sure how much faster it would be than my 8350 either. There is no benchmarks available for painter so its hard to say. I think the 4670k would be a good choice IF I didn’t use painter. My current cpu does fairly well in everything EXCEPT guild wars 2. But like I said, a cpu upgrade is only something I’m considering.

With the R9 290 prices almost 2x above MRP, it makes my options some what limited in terms of what to get for my upgrade present.

Stormcrow.7513:

With the new consoles using multithreading more efficiently as well as applications, I would future proof by using the 4770k.

If that happens then FX 8350 is a beast

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

Stormcrow.7513:

With the new consoles using multithreading more efficiently as well as applications, I would future proof by using the 4770k.

If that happens then FX 8350 is a beast

Yea its great with software that can use all eight cores. Its respectable when there is software that is primarily single threaded like gw2, but intel does better.

locx.6412:

@Aza, sure I will, I wont be home this evening but I’ll do that as soon as I can. It wont be identical because of the player factor but I’ll try to make it as same as possible.

Thanks! I appreciate it!

I limited my budget to like 800 and just bought the i7 4770K and Maximus VI Formula. (Tip: I bought them locally because I support my buddy’s business haha. My price on board and CPU were just slightly higher than online) I sorta wish I had still been using my AMD FX-8350 until the EOTM patch so I could have seen what it did. However I will sometime soon-ish hopefully be purchasing some parts to re-use with my FX-8350 (I honestly don’t want to let that $220 dollar purchase just sit and collect dust) and we’ll see how it goes haha. I bet it should be good.

Overall, however I’m very pleased with either processor since I’ve been using my FX-8350 from mid summer until recently. However if the FX-8350 actually is doing better in this game then I can recommend it easily.

P.S. I clocked my i7 4770K to 4.4 Ghz. Just, fantastic.

Avelos.6798:

I limited my budget to like 800 and just bought the i7 4770K and Maximus VI Formula. (Tip: I bought them locally because I support my buddy’s business haha. My price on board and CPU were just slightly higher than online) I sorta wish I had still been using my AMD FX-8350 until the EOTM patch so I could have seen what it did. However I will sometime soon-ish hopefully be purchasing some parts to re-use with my FX-8350 (I honestly don’t want to let that $220 dollar purchase just sit and collect dust) and we’ll see how it goes haha. I bet it should be good.

Overall, however I’m very pleased with either processor since I’ve been using my FX-8350 from mid summer until recently. However if the FX-8350 actually is doing better in this game then I can recommend it easily.

P.S. I clocked my i7 4770K to 4.4 Ghz. Just, fantastic.

Yea there is quite a difference in some areas. For example the screenshot I linked, before the eotm patch I got around 25fps. Now its 38fps maxed. The windmill right outside of LA in Gendarran fields, I would get 42fps now its 60fps+. So there is definitely a increase in performance, but not in all areas. Coe story mode instance still runs poorly.

If I decide to get a new cpu, I will use my 8350 to make a steambox for my living room.

Aza.2105:

locx.6412:

@Aza, sure I will, I wont be home this evening but I’ll do that as soon as I can. It wont be identical because of the player factor but I’ll try to make it as same as possible.

Thanks! I appreciate it!

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locx.6412:

Aza.2105:

locx.6412:

@Aza, sure I will, I wont be home this evening but I’ll do that as soon as I can. It wont be identical because of the player factor but I’ll try to make it as same as possible.

Thanks! I appreciate it!

SS taken. Tell me if there’s anything else you need!

Whoa, that is a HUGE difference!!!!

What cooler are you using to OC? Getting a intel cpu has just moved to the top of my list of choices.

Yeah, it is!

Actually I am currently at 4.6 GHz, I haven’t updated my sig cos it’s not 100% stable. I have my little Hyper 212 EVO, seems to be worth it’s cost.

locx.6412:

Yeah, it is!

Actually I am currently at 4.6 GHz, I haven’t updated my sig cos it’s not 100% stable. I have my little Hyper 212 EVO, seems to be worth it’s cost.

Does the 4770k use ddr3 1333?

Aza.2105:

locx.6412:

Yeah, it is!

Actually I am currently at 4.6 GHz, I haven’t updated my sig cos it’s not 100% stable. I have my little Hyper 212 EVO, seems to be worth it’s cost.

Does the 4770k use ddr3 1333?

What do you mean? Yes 1333 MHz RAM goes along with it just fine, so does 1600. Check your motherboard for more compabilities.

locx.6412:

Aza.2105:

locx.6412:

Yeah, it is!

Actually I am currently at 4.6 GHz, I haven’t updated my sig cos it’s not 100% stable. I have my little Hyper 212 EVO, seems to be worth it’s cost.

Does the 4770k use ddr3 1333?

What do you mean? Yes 1333 MHz RAM goes along with it just fine, so does 1600. Check your motherboard for more compabilities.

Yep thats what I mean, thanks! I wasn’t sure if I had to get new ram or not.

I’m sure DDR3 will work with pretty much anything in the intel i series at this point. It is the mainstream standard. But 1600 is becoming more popular. Some of my suppliers are shipping 1333 more expensive than 1600.

shadows consume a lot of cpu power, turning off the dynamics shadows (Low or Off settings) boost performance significantly

I have the i7 4770K and GTX 760 and run 2550×1440 supersampling in WvWvW. The worst framerate I get is around 17 during ridiculous battles, but if I cared enough I could reduce model limit. In normal zergs its about 40fps

dodgycookies.4562:

shadows consume a lot of cpu power, turning off the dynamics shadows (Low or Off settings) boost performance significantly

Every since the eotm patch the shadow settings don’t lower performance as much, which is why I have it set to ultra. Turning shadows off gives around a 6fps increase in the spot I stood by the mystic forge. So not a significant boost.

Aza.2105:

dodgycookies.4562:

shadows consume a lot of cpu power, turning off the dynamics shadows (Low or Off settings) boost performance significantly

Every since the eotm patch the shadow settings don’t lower performance as much, which is why I have it set to ultra. Turning shadows off gives around a 6fps increase in the spot I stood by the mystic forge. So not a significant boost.

Not significant? 6/36 = 17%. I think that’s quite something. Doesn’t mean too many fps, at least in a demanding situation, but you know, little drops of water and so on.

locx.6412:

Aza.2105:

dodgycookies.4562:

shadows consume a lot of cpu power, turning off the dynamics shadows (Low or Off settings) boost performance significantly

Every since the eotm patch the shadow settings don’t lower performance as much, which is why I have it set to ultra. Turning shadows off gives around a 6fps increase in the spot I stood by the mystic forge. So not a significant boost.

Not significant? 6/36 = 17%. I think that’s quite something. Doesn’t mean too many fps, at least in a demanding situation, but you know, little drops of water and so on.

From a mathematical perspective it seems like a significant different, but practically its hard to see the difference between 36 fps and 42fps. I can see when its below 30fps or when its running close to 60fps or above. But yes, I get what you are saying.

The difference between the 4670K and 4770K Is about 13% due to the support of HT and the additional L3 Cache. Now that’s at base Clock settings, as its hard to judge performance differences at OC settings due to the Die Lottery.

I will say this though, moving from a FX8350 to a i3-2120 was an upgrade. So going from a FX-8350 to a i5-4670K is going to be that much MORE of an upgrade. And, IMHO, going to an i7-4770K is completely unnecessary unless you intend to fully taking advantage of the HT support and additional L3 Cache, I would say more Business/Work related then Gaming IMHO.

It doesnt matter if your CPU has 8 cores, 12 cores, or even 32cores. The Single threaded PER core performance is what Defines your CPU for this game. That is why the FX series CPU’s cannot stand up to any of the Intel i-Series CPUs (I would say Gen2+).

your R9 is fine and I would not consider replacing that at this time, unless you want to resell it to a Bitcoin Miner for a profit over what you paid for it.

If you want to get the K-Series i5/i7 you need a 600-700W PSU if you intend to fully overclock. A 500w PSU just will not cut it (I had one that was rated at 85% explode, and it was 500w). You should be able to get 4.5Ghz/4.6Ghz on both the i5/i7 K Series out of the box (1.25V). If you can’t, I suggest RMA’ing your chip until you get a BIN that does that. As there are low quality chips out there that cannot overclock beyond 3.8Ghz, and what is the point of buying a K series chip if you cant really over clock it?

Just to give you an idea of what you can achieve with a unlock Intel i5-4670K, I know 2 guys that have their i5-4670K stable at 5.1Ghz and I get mine stable at 4.8Ghz. Though I can rukittenGhz for about 3 days before getting a hard lock in the OS. So I just set my Turbo at 5.1 and my normal rate at 4.8. But your mileage will vary.

sirsquishy.8531:

your R9 is fine and I would not consider replacing that at this time, unless you want to resell it to a Bitcoin Miner for a profit over what you paid for it.

I was thinking about this, but I don’t know what gpu I would want to replace it with. It would have to be Nvidia though, no way anyone can find a reasonable price for the Radeon R9 290/x series card at this time.

Also, to answer your question: My PC isn’t just for gaming, its also used for illustrating. In fact I got the Amd 8350 for illustrating, gaming was just a secondary function of my pc.

Aza.2105:

sirsquishy.8531:

your R9 is fine and I would not consider replacing that at this time, unless you want to resell it to a Bitcoin Miner for a profit over what you paid for it.

I was thinking about this, but I don’t know what gpu I would want to replace it with. It would have to be Nvidia though, no way anyone can find a reasonable price for the Radeon R9 290/x series card at this time.

Also, to answer your question: My PC isn’t just for gaming, its also used for illustrating. In fact I got the Amd 8350 for illustrating, gaming was just a secondary function of my pc.

Ok, since you compress data (Illustration) You will want the i7 for the fastest compression rate. If it was mainly for gaming, I would suggest the i5

That R9 is a really good card. The only thing that would come better would be a Nvidia 780 IMHO. But you will pay for that price (you can probably resell the R9, like I mentioned, with only an additional 50 or so out of pocket to replace it…If you wanted to.

http://www.hwcompare.com/16200/geforce-gtx-780-vs-radeon-r9-290/

http://www.hwcompare.com/16196/geforce-gtx-760-vs-radeon-r9-290/

But there is no real reason to replace it, unless you were needing a CAD/OpenGL class Workstation Card (Quadro NVS, or FireGL AMD Card).

sirsquishy.8531:

Aza.2105:

sirsquishy.8531:

your R9 is fine and I would not consider replacing that at this time, unless you want to resell it to a Bitcoin Miner for a profit over what you paid for it.

I was thinking about this, but I don’t know what gpu I would want to replace it with. It would have to be Nvidia though, no way anyone can find a reasonable price for the Radeon R9 290/x series card at this time.

Also, to answer your question: My PC isn’t just for gaming, its also used for illustrating. In fact I got the Amd 8350 for illustrating, gaming was just a secondary function of my pc.

Ok, since you compress data (Illustration) You will want the i7 for the fastest compression rate. If it was mainly for gaming, I would suggest the i5

That R9 is a really good card. The only thing that would come better would be a Nvidia 780 IMHO. But you will pay for that price (you can probably resell the R9, like I mentioned, with only an additional 50 or so out of pocket to replace it…If you wanted to.

http://www.hwcompare.com/16200/geforce-gtx-780-vs-radeon-r9-290/

http://www.hwcompare.com/16196/geforce-gtx-760-vs-radeon-r9-290/

But there is no real reason to replace it, unless you were needing a CAD/OpenGL class Workstation Card (Quadro NVS, or FireGL AMD Card).

When you say compression are you referring to saving and loading files?