Guild Wars 2

Hello guys,

Atm i have a very low budget to upgrade my mobo,CPU+GPU
I have these 2 configurations:
#BUILD NR1 : AMD A8 7600 APU (R7 IGP)
ASUS A58M-K, Socket FM2+ Mobo
#BUILD NR2 :Some Dual-Core Intel CPU
H81 Mobo
Radeon R7 240

Which build will yield me better performance to play GW2 or other games ? Because after i saw on youtube i tend for the AMD APU configuration.

Voorkio.2615:

Also i wanna be able to multi-task a bit,stay on my SKype,listen to music,watch 1080 P Youtube videos…not only GW2. I`m very afraid that an Intel Dual Core won’t suffice what`s why i ask…

look at the image on this post.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/support/Unacceptable-Performance-GW2-needs-optimized/page/2#post5059568

thats my G3258 clocked at 4ghz on a H81 ECS board. On that Board I could not get higher then 4.2ghz with out BSOD crashes. That board I got for 39.99 on newegg.

GW2 likes single core performance more then anything else really.

A g3258 + Z87 with 6phase power would provide a better gaming experience then ANY AMD APU/CPU option.

http://techreport.com/review/26735/overclocking-intel-pentium-g3258-anniversary-edition-processor/3

And the R7 240? I would suggest nothing less then a R7 260x if buying new, else just buy a R9 280x used from Amazon.

Which part of “i have a very low BUDGET” you couldn’t see ? Z87 MOBO ? That`s expensive one. If you trying to help me,help within the given conditions,as my budget is very short. Thanks

Also i wanna be able to multi-task a bit,stay on my SKype,listen to music,watch 1080 P Youtube videos…not only GW2. I`m very afraid that an Intel Dual Core won’t suffice what`s why i ask…

You still don’t need a Z87 motherboard. My brother got 4.5 GHz stable on an MSI H81M-E33 and he’s going to try to push it a little further.

wow thanks alot sirsquishy.5831 . You made my mind with that pic…do u reckon that a r7 240 ddr5 boosted 1 gb is enough ? Since i saw u used an old HD 5xXX some GPU,i`m very tempted to believe that yes ? Waiting for ur reply since i can’t PM you yet.

also….4 GB +2 Gb i already have will be enough ram ?

Yes, even 4gb is enough. The game barely exceeds 1.3gb of RAM.

Voorkio.2615:

wow thanks alot sirsquishy.5831 . You made my mind with that pic…do u reckon that a r7 240 ddr5 boosted 1 gb is enough ? Since i saw u used an old HD 5xXX some GPU,i`m very tempted to believe that yes ? Waiting for ur reply since i can’t PM you yet.

The game does not need anything better then a GTX460 or R7 270 to play on max settings at 1080p. You can probably get away with the 740 and roll with medium settings to get decent performance, as with the HD5770 in that image you can see that it was pulling 80FPS~ on medium-high settings.

By the way,is my actual PSU : ATX 500 W -E1 PSU going to hold both the new G3258 and the R7 240 GPU ? Really important , please answer me

Can’t tell. Can’t find anyplace that has specs on amps per rail with that model.

What happen with that njoy you had posted in your other thread? The sticker on that one showed 340 watts at 12 volts which is more then enough.

i can tell u ,lemme look on it .
Here we go :
AC INPUT————————200-240V—-50-60Hz——4A
DCOUTPUT —-———+12V| +5V| +3.3V | -12 V | +5Vsb |
--——————————-18A| 36A | 28 A | 0.8A | 2A |

Then no, that PSU can only put out a maximum of 216 watts at 12 volts. It really needs to be much higher than that to be on the safe side. The CPU and video card feed on the 12 volt wattage while wattage used at 5 volts and 3.3 volts is minimal, roughly 50 watts combined.

This is a problem with older designed PSUs. They provide the wrong voltages with an abundance of watts. Fine if you were building a system from the late 1990s. They also tend to be incredibly cheap. As CPUs and video cards needed more and more power, the power demand shifted from the 5 volt rails to the 12 volt ones. Starting around the era of the Pentium IV.

Will it support at least an APU maybe ? Like A8 7600 ? Or at least support the Intel +GPu for a while until i can gather more money ? From this graph i see the A8 7600 APU consumes in load a max of 107W.

Also i see that G3258 even OC-d consumes max 84 Wat, and the GPU R7 240 cosumes max 35Wat…You said it can produce max 216,what`s wrrong then ? I`m not good with these sorry,i might be wrong ! All i need is to make it work for like 1 month,then i can buy that Njoy PSU too

Because it’s not just the power the CPU and video card can use. The hard drive, optical drive, case fans, not to mention conversion loss by the motherboard stepping 12 volts down to the voltages the CPU and RAM use. There’s a reason why the voltage regulation module (the circuitry found neat and around the CPU socket and RAM slots) often have heat sinks on them as conversion isn’t 100% and the loss is tossed off as heat. Then there’s the motherboard chipset, etc.

So sure, the power use of just the R7 240 and the G3258 is below the 216 watts MAXIMUM 12 volt wattage of that PSU and it should work but …

See what I use for a guide for fitting PSUs to systems is the eXtreme Power Supply Calculator.

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

I take that, select the components including drives and fans, select 30% capacitor loss, take the minimum PSU wattage, assume that’s all 12 volts and bump it up another 50% and look for a PSU that can give me that.

And with that pair of components, two DDR3 modules, a HDD, DVD burner and one 120mm case fan I get with my method 335 watts at 12 volts or around 28 amps. The actual number the calculator gave me was 223 watts.

And that’s not OCing the G3258 and video card manufactures can, depending on amount and type of RAM as well as factory OC, can significantly raise the power need from AMD or nVidia’s default design.

Cheaping out on a PSU is like putting crappy but really cheap fuel into your nice new car. The PSU is NOT the component you should cheap out on.

And someday in the future you get your hands on a better video card or Socket 1150 CPU, having a buffer means you shouldn’t have to worry if your PSU could handle a modest upgrade.

Behellagh.1468:

Because it’s not just the power the CPU and video card can use. The hard drive, optical drive, case fans, not to mention conversion loss by the motherboard stepping 12 volts down to the voltages the CPU and RAM use. There’s a reason why the voltage regulation module (the circuitry found neat and around the CPU socket and RAM slots) often have heat sinks on them as conversion isn’t 100% and the loss is tossed off as heat. Then there’s the motherboard chipset, etc.

So sure, the power use of just the R7 240 and the G3258 is below the 216 watts MAXIMUM 12 volt wattage of that PSU and it should work but …

See what I use for a guide for fitting PSUs to systems is the eXtreme Power Supply Calculator.

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

I take that, select the components including drives and fans, select 30% capacitor loss, take the minimum PSU wattage, assume that’s all 12 volts and bump it up another 50% and look for a PSU that can give me that.

And with that pair of components, two DDR3 modules, a HDD, DVD burner and one 120mm case fan I get with my method 335 watts at 12 volts or around 28 amps. The actual number the calculator gave me was 223 watts.

And that’s not OCing the G3258 and video card manufactures can, depending on amount and type of RAM as well as factory OC, can significantly raise the power need from AMD or nVidia’s default design.

Cheaping out on a PSU is like putting crappy but really cheap fuel into your nice new car. The PSU is NOT the component you should cheap out on.

And someday in the future you get your hands on a better video card or Socket 1150 CPU, having a buffer means you shouldn’t have to worry if your PSU could handle a modest upgrade.

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

There are 2 things you don’t cheap out on, the PSU is the first. The 2nd is more of an opinion :-)

It`s not about going cheap on PSU – it`s what i already have and hoped it could last for a while with the new parts until i can buy a proper PSU Awesome explanation you gave me ,thanks alot !

But you have it because of what? It came in another rig? Came bundled with a case? I know, it’s nice to save as much as you can from your previous system when upgrading.

My folks have an HP. I know that HP will but the weakest, cheapest PSU in their prebuilt boxes that won’t crap out in 3 years as long as nothing is added to the rig, like a vaguely alright graphics card. And so IF they ever allow me to upgrade their system to have graphics performance better than two decades old, I will also need to upgrade their PSU.

You can try it with that PSU. It may work fine. I simply like a cushion.

That PSU i have in my old rig that i use to talk to you Oh so i can try it then ? That woud be awesomee . i swear the first thing i buy nex month is a fully protected expensive PSU Also going to keep the HDD ,optical drive and the casee,they are decent aswel.

I would hold off overclocking the CPU. That’s all.

Roger that! I will definetly hold off OC-ing it until i get the new PSU then,really appreciate the help mates ! Guild Wars 2 Community is so great when it comes down to helping each other !