Guild Wars 2

Well, hello there,

first my specs:

• AMD FX-4170 @ 4,6 GHz
• 2 × 4 GB G.Skill DDR3 @ 1866 MHz (Dual-Channel enabled)
• SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7870 OC GHz Edition @ 1050/1050/5000 MHz
• Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit

So, here’s my problem:
I’m standing in Metrica Province looking at a specific direction (see in attached screenshot) and my FPS won’t go over 30 FPS. It fluctuates between 29 and 30 when I’m just looking there.

So I took a look at my Hardware workload and I was surprised:

• All 4 CPU-Cores have a workload between 40 and 70% (rarely80 % but NEVER go over it) And I know i “only” have two Dual-Cores, but that doesn’t matter right now
• GPU Workload did NEVER exceeded 65% workload

Is it just me or does the GW2-Engine not fully exploit my hardware?

Another thing is the GW2.log attached below. There are MASSIVE Errors and Debugs and I really don’t know WHY they are there?!

Please, can someone just help me? This “performance” is driving me crazy and those errors and debugs in the logfile are really strange. :-/

Thanks!

Greetings :-)

My friend.
First of all:
Reflections off or only terrain & sky.
Also shadows instead of ulta on medium/high.
And most important LOD distance on high/max is something you don’t need – you won’t notice difference cause it renders object that are far away and it only makes your gpu work for no reason.
From Supersample rendering go for native, don’t overload your gpu with stuff you don’t need.
Post-processing on medium.
also seriously turn off best textures filtering & high-res character textures.

You put all stuff at max and you worry that your fps is only 30 >.> gosh

There are knows issues about shadows & reflections causing your FPS to fall down with great drama.

Also im not sure about Your CPU, but you might look for thread called :
AMD CPU and GW2 cause most amd cpus have problems with that game, even those oc’d to 4-4,5ghz

And now look your fps skyrockets :>

Also Your Rig as is good, well I wouldn’t call that CPU good, it’s kitten actually, basic i3-3120 would handle this better and this game is CPU heavy, also your graphic card is medium when it comes to this game in performance and You want to play on max settings in full hd.

Please rethink Your steps first when it comes to Your expectations and the equipement you have.

Thanks for the reply :-) I’ll try your configuration suggestion.

But theres one thing: A friend of mine has a way slower PC but he can play with everything on max with 80+ FPS constant oO

Edit: Can you recommend me a CPU for AM3+ Socket?

Edit 2: My graphics card is medium only? oO It’s listed as a High-End one

Hm … this is strange oO

I did everything you said and now my FPS is capped at 43 looking in the same direction as before, also there’s no FPS-difference between Render Sampling: Native and Supersample (as you can see).

Can you explain this strange behaviour? oO

It’s Your CPU probably thats bottlenecking even if You don’t see it or can’t measure it.

A FX-4100/4170 are realyl bad bulldozer CPU’s.

If I were you having enough cash : 300-350$ i’d take i5-2500k and some low price mobo for it and o’c it even to 4GHz. it would give you boost in perfomance.
Also Try getting beta ATI drives not sure which one they are cause im using Nvidia card.

If You don’t want to move on Intel platform these CPU’s should do the work:
AMD X6 FX-6300 3.5GHz
AMD X8 FX-8320

And From personal point of wiev im having myself i3-3220 CPU with GTX 260 + which is kinda low but with most medium options and FXAA turned on im having pretty good fps even in WVW. tho in my case my GPU is serious bottleneck, thats why I can’t get over medium settings.
I’ve posted in some other thread my FPS in LA ( which is pretty heavy zone and good for measurement ) where i had 44 FPS. In open areas i get from 55-100 depending on zone.

Problem is that this game uses only 2-2,5 CPu cores. And a intel Single thread processing is much faster then single AMD by 30-50% in some cases, thats why even 2 core ( 4 thread ) i3 CPUs handle this game better as it’s Heavy on CPU.

You could Try Your luck with 2 AMD Cpus i’ve put in this response or just move to i5-2500k cause this cpu with your GPU will give u good performance for next 2-3 years.

I’d move to i5 myself but im short on cash right now so probably next year or after xmass present im gonna buy it myself

also High end GPus start from:

7800 Series in Crossfire / 7900 series
GTX 660 SLI / 670+ ( with an GTX 690 as best gaming GPU with 7970 or so with close to it from ati ).
and most 500 series of GTX as 570/580 and 560Ti version – tho can be wrong on this…

Also this game don’t require good GPU.
You need A superman CPU

Also Try lowering all graphics to low ( best performance ) and check your fps then.
From that point GO up with settings untill you get results that will satisfy You and will grant you good fps.
Best to try this in Lions arch or other crowded zone

Also to not waste Forum space you can write Pw message

Render Sampling’s impact on FPS depends largely on the area you are at. I agree, it is best to leave at Native to avoid unexpected FPS dips.

I’ve heard a couple good reports of the new AMD Piledriver CPU lineup for the AM3+ socket in games including GW2. Look into it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer_(microarchitecture)#2nd_Generation_Piledriver_core
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_FX_microprocessors#Piledriver-based

Its ur CPU.

‘Nearly’ all AMD cpu’s run poorly with GW2 ..there a few few exceptions that will run ‘ok’. But basscialy ..u need a up to date intel.

You wont see your cpu at 100% usuage. A basic math equation to work out roughly what % usuage you will see when a CPU bottleneck will occur is as so.
100/number of CPU threads x 2.5 = minimum usuage % bottleneck
100/number of CPU threads x 3 = maximum usuage % bottleneck

in your case its
100/4 = 25x 2.5 = 62.5
100/4 = 25x 3 = 75

So you can expect to see FPS droping, no matter the GPU usuage, when your CPU is between 62% and 75% usuage.
Note this only takes into account GW2 usuage . you can add on % depending on what you computer uses when idling on desktop.

The reason for the 2.5 and the 3 is that GW2 generaly pulls its performance from between 2 and 3 ‘main’ threads (it actualy uses about 50 different threads all together). Depending on the situation it may be running all 3 threads fully thus showing higher usuage. However it may also use only 1 thread fully and 2 other threads moderatly ..however that 1 thread has already caused a bottleneck so the other 2 are just adding onto the total usuage. Kinda hard to explain but take it as it is :P

When you have a cpu bottlneck you gpu usuage will drop and so will your fps as the gpu cannot process information that isnt being given to it fast enough by the cpu. Your choices are:
OC
Upgrade to slightly better AMD cpu & OC
Upgrade to much betetr Intel cpu & OC
Wait for a possible patch by Anet (dont hold ur breath)

EDIT: Also iirc, AMD hyperthreading is different from Intel hyperthreading and isnt as efficient so if ur CPU is 2 physical cores + 2 virtual ..the equation may well give a result that is infact a bit to high.

Thanks for all those replies Now I finally understand why Intel’s i-Cores are so much better than AMD ones … what a pity … AMD was such a good CPU maufacturer back in time :-/

So I’m thinking about a new CPU and I see that in my country (germany) there are two i5 with nearly the same price:

• i5-2500k
• i5-3570k

I’ve read that the second one is going hotter but with 10% more performance.

Currently I have the “Dark Rock 2” cooler from be quiet!. So I think the 2500k will be better for me, isn’t it?

Also … which mainboard shall I buy? (Because of Chipset and so on)

Edit: Will i5 work good with my Radeon HD? I’ve heard rumors that you should never ever cross ati with intel and nvidia with amd.

1155 motherboard will run both the 2500k and the 3570k.

As for which one you should chose. . Well it works out roughly that ivybridge (3570k) is equivalent to 100mhz faster than a sandybridge (2500k) whilst at the same acutal clock speed. So if both were running 3.5ghz the ivybridge would, performance wise .look like its running and 3.6ghz.
The 2500k will however OC higher than the 3570k, but unless you have top end air cooling or mid high end water cooling ..you wont be clocking high enough to see the advantage of Sandybridge.

So i sugest the 3570k and clock to about 4.3ghz.

Also note ..if u can ..the 2550k is a better choice over the 2500k. But again ..i recommend the 3570k if your not OC above 4.3ghz

ATI + Intel .. Nvidia + AMD. .works fine.

Thank you :-)

As I can see in the internetshop here:
*i5-2500k ~ 210 €
*i5-3570k ~ 205 €

Is that normal? I mean … why is a better cpu cheaper? oO

And as is mentioned before: Some ppl are saying that the i5-3570k is going way more hotter than the 2500k, so that they couldn’t oc the 3570k as much as the 2500k and getting more performance with the 2500k. Anything true about this?

They are roughly same price becouse they are, when you look at the whole picture, ..roughly the same.

The OC thing is true. The 3570k heats up quiker and as such you cant OC it has high as the 2500k. However at the same clock ..say 4.3ghz ..the 3570k will be faster than the 2500k

The heat with the 3570k isnt an issue till you get aboved 4.3ghz, then it will start getting harder to OC on air cooling. The 2500k however will hit 4.5ghz with ease and could potentialy go a little further on air cooling.

3570k runs hotter but it was cheaper so I went with that one and Im glad i pick this over AMD such a difference over my amd system if you have the money go intel.

3570k also has HD4000 integrated gpu which is much faster than the 2500k HD3000. Its a decent as a backup.

If you have a motherboard that support Lucidlogix Virtu MVP, you can combine the HD4000 with a dedicated GPU and get more juice, but its still bit buggy.