Guild Wars 2

Hey, want to buy a new PC and thought a lot which CPU i should take.

The specs of the new pc:

ASUS B85-Pro Gamer Mainboard
Intel Core i7-4790K (4 Ghz)
Corsair Hydro Series H80i Water Cooling
16 GB Corsair Vengeance
Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X OC

Does anyone have this cpu and can tell me about the performance of it in gw2?

(Currently i’m using FX-8350 and Radeon HD 6950, so i wanted to know if i can get an increase in fps, especially in large events like tequatl. I’m mostly pve player)

Running the same but OCed to 4.4Ghz with a 780ti, getting average of 90 fps @ 1920×1080 @144 Hz on max settings.

Okay thx. Sounds like i can have a better performance by far with it

spend a bit more for the MB and get a z series for overclocking. While some B series can, its not really designed for it.

I really wonder how much better performance you will over you current setup…

Upgrading your CPU for GW2 is useless… large WvW or Worl bosses your FPS will sucks with any CPU.

Arena.net should push for better performance with low lvl API….
this is not hard to do it… they have 2 options. Wait for DX12 or try it on Mantle.

The problems?
- GW2 is based on DX9…. i dont know if it can be ported to mantle. If it was DX11 then it would much better.
- Of course big investment into this project but… they dont care for our experience.

So if you want to play GW2 you need to spend 200$ on CPU + 120$ on MB and 100$ on GPU.. and yet it is not playable in WvW

So i recommend you to think about it… for GW2 …. not worth

here is some difference between FX 6300 and pentium g3258… actually there is no difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a-c1idbPhk

In big events? You will see a pretty big improve. I don’t have the i7, but the i5 4690k oc to 4.3 and at 1440p I’m playing at 30-35 fps in tequalt or jormag.

FX’s have around 50-60% less single core performance than haswells, and that’s what really matters in heavy situations, like boss events.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

I really wonder how much better performance you will over you current setup…

Upgrading your CPU for GW2 is useless… large WvW or Worl bosses your FPS will sucks with any CPU.

Arena.net should push for better performance with low lvl API….
this is not hard to do it… they have 2 options. Wait for DX12 or try it on Mantle.

The problems?
- GW2 is based on DX9…. i dont know if it can be ported to mantle. If it was DX11 then it would much better.
- Of course big investment into this project but… they dont care for our experience.

So if you want to play GW2 you need to spend 200$ on CPU + 120$ on MB and 100$ on GPU.. and yet it is not playable in WvW

So i recommend you to think about it… for GW2 …. not worth

here is some difference between FX 6300 and pentium g3258… actually there is no difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a-c1idbPhk

1- Yeah, will still sucks, but 30-35 fps is much better than 20ish.
2- WvW is more than playable. I normally get 40fps when guild vs zerg, and my specs are not astonishing: i5 4690k oc to 4.3 and r9 285.
3- That video is utterly useless. First, he compares a 6 core vs 2 core WHILE recording. Recording impact decreases a ton as more cores are used. And also he only shows empty map footage, would love to see in an event or a zerg how much the fx would struggle compared to the g3258.

Not really i have i7 and FX 6300 is pretty good compared to it in WvW
it is only 2-7 FPS difference…

Same settings in both and while in ZvsZ and not around map? I doubt…

Man i tell you the truth.. yes Fx was higher 10% higher clock… but who cares.

Games like LoL or GW2 or WoW.. doesnt really show big difference between them.
basically BF3/FC3 … games like that shows big difference.

Same setting – (shadows were low, character limit MAX)

Big thing to add is that people are spending to much money for upgrading their PC just to get 5 FPS more… They should try out mantle… then just port it to DX12.

This is better for everyone… you can get normal PC pretty cheap and with low lvl API performance would be much better.

Well first I just wanted to get a new graphics card to play new games like far cry 4 on high settings. But mostly i’m playing gw2, and many friends told me that I should go with a core i7 because of its better performance in mmos. I like my current system except of the GPU but it would be great to have more than 10-15 fps in large events. So i came up to the idea to buy a completely new system

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

Man i tell you the truth.. yes Fx was higher 10% higher clock… but who cares.

Games like LoL or GW2 or WoW.. doesnt really show big difference between them.
basically BF3/FC3 … games like that shows big difference.

Same setting – (shadows were low, character limit MAX)

Big thing to add is that people are spending to much money for upgrading their PC just to get 5 FPS more… They should try out mantle… then just port it to DX12.

This is better for everyone… you can get normal PC pretty cheap and with low lvl API performance would be much better.

Stop with the DX12 and Mantle talk on these forums. It’s completely pointless as the API used is DX9.

Also comparing a crappy FX 6 cores vs a Haswell Dual core is apples and oranges. AMD’s FX line has 50-65% LESS IPC then Intels Haswell. Seeing how GW2 really likes IPC over multi-core performance Intel is always going to be the better choice.

I have an i7 4790K (Clocked at 4ghz no turbo for now, but I also clock it at 5ghz when I’m doing heavy compute jobs) there is a 20% increase between a i7-4790K and i5-4670K at equal clock rates. Low end performance I am seeing 24-26fps on the i5 while I am seeing 38-40 on the i7.

As for the OP – Make sure you get a Z97 with 8 or 12 phase power design in the MB. That is what makes these K CPU’s overclock at their highest. The power delivery system TO the CPU. I run a z87-g45 in my i5-4670k (clocks to 4.6ghz on air with a evo212), and a z97-g45 for my i7-4790K (clocks at 5ghz on air with my GNSS). I have tested many lower end MBs, and many will not post above 4.2ghz even with a G3258.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

I really wonder how much better performance you will over you current setup…

Upgrading your CPU for GW2 is useless… large WvW or Worl bosses your FPS will sucks with any CPU.

Arena.net should push for better performance with low lvl API….
this is not hard to do it… they have 2 options. Wait for DX12 or try it on Mantle.

The problems?
- GW2 is based on DX9…. i dont know if it can be ported to mantle. If it was DX11 then it would much better.
- Of course big investment into this project but… they dont care for our experience.

So if you want to play GW2 you need to spend 200$ on CPU + 120$ on MB and 100$ on GPU.. and yet it is not playable in WvW

So i recommend you to think about it… for GW2 …. not worth

here is some difference between FX 6300 and pentium g3258… actually there is no difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a-c1idbPhk

Look whose back, our resident AMD CPU supporter. Nothing has changed on the “optimization” front so fewer much faster cores will beat AMD’s many slower cores in this game still.

our resident AMD CPU supported—- yeah right—- … can you just ignore me and i will ignore you?

Look OP dont listen to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpQIEKwyxA

FX 8350 is good .. slower than I7 4770K. But how much more perf would I7 bring?…. believe me not much. You wont feel difference.

So if I were you then i would wait for next generation (Skylake)…
here you have few games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3HX6JHM3QY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_534976485&feature=iv&list=UUE1jciHeP-TxJrUtXX1IjAg&src_vid=A3HX6JHM3QY&v=PK1MLmsV-Rg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjjsFyR08AI&index=15&list=UUE1jciHeP-TxJrUtXX1IjAg

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

our resident AMD CPU supported—- yeah right—- … can you just ignore me and i will ignore you?

Look OP dont listen to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpQIEKwyxA

FX 8350 is good .. slower than I7 4770K. But how much more perf would I7 bring?…. believe me not much. You wont feel difference.

So if I were you then i would wait for next generation (Skylake)…
here you have few games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3HX6JHM3QY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_534976485&feature=iv&list=UUE1jciHeP-TxJrUtXX1IjAg&src_vid=A3HX6JHM3QY&v=PK1MLmsV-Rg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjjsFyR08AI&index=15&list=UUE1jciHeP-TxJrUtXX1IjAg

Lets compare the G3258 to your FX8350 in a single threaded benchmark

http://techreport.com/review/26735/overclocking-intel-pentium-g3258-anniversary-edition-processor/3

Stock clock, the G3258 is 20% faster, with a 4.8OC the G3258 is nearly 80% faster.

Now this is single threaded benchmarks we are talking, not multi-threading. And this benchmark will pertain to GW2 as the rendering thread is single threaded. That is the limiting factor when considering CPUs for builds when having GW2 in mind.

Now if you scroll down a bit in the link I supplied you can see the ‘max thread’ bench.

Stock clock the G3258 is about 60% slower when all cores on the FX8350 are utilized, but at the 4.8ghz OC its only about 40% slower. We are comparing 2 Haswell cores vs 8 FX Cores, FYI.

Now, scroll down to the Crysis3 benchmarks (one of your FAVORITE comparisons to GW2) and see what the G3258 is doing against your FX8350. At stock the G3258 comes in at 60FPS while your FX8350 is pulling 72 FPS, but when you put that G3258 to 4.8ghz it beats your Fx8350 by 1% at 73FPS. Which, makes me laugh, is 2-3 fps below the i7’s in that benchmark.

See where I am going with this?

The IPC on Haswell blows your FX’s IPC out of the water.

When building for GW2 no AMD CPU should really be considered anymore. The G3258 is above what the FX can do, and the i7-4790K is going to pull double to triple the work that the G3258 Can do for single threaded apps such as GW2.

So please, STOP with your nonsense and look up actual benchmarks – Heck go out and buy the different ranges of hardware and see for yourself, before you make ANY MORE suggestions on this board.

Let’s not have a repeat of what happened around last summer OK?

Mna i am comparing GW2…. you are wrong…

I gave you Arma 3 which is is optimized very well yet AMD lack behind only about 20-30%

so when you go GW2 and you have 30% faster CPU and you are getting with old setup 15 fps then new setup will maybe give you 18-19 FPs … Is it worth?

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

Mna i am comparing GW2…. you are wrong…

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

Man i tell you the truth.. yes Fx was higher 10% higher clock… but who cares.

Games like LoL or GW2 or WoW.. doesnt really show big difference between them.
basically BF3/FC3 … games like that shows big difference.

This is from a post in this thread, of you comparing other games.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

Mna i am comparing GW2…. you are wrong…

I gave you Arma 3 which is is optimized very well yet AMD lack behind only about 20-30%

so when you go GW2 and you have 30% faster CPU and you are getting with old setup 15 fps then new setup will maybe give you 18-19 FPs … Is it worth?

what setup are you comparing against for the 15FPS and the 18-19FPS though? Are you talking the FX build vs a Haswell build?

I am telling you the truth ….

If you dont want to believe me than its your problem.

Look when i compare FX 6300 (mimic 4300) and i7 3770K (mimic i5 K) at 3.8Ghz…
Yes there quite difference …
Fx was about 60 while i5 was like 85… but when you do into fight huge zerks FX was doing 15 fps while i5 was doing 17-18 FPS … so really worth it?

All depends on the game aslo F1 2014 split screen … Fx OC-ed was doing same or better as stock i7 and in LoL also.

basically games running DX9 … you wont see difference while DX11 like BF3 or Crysis 3… Fx 4300 5GHz wont catch up with 3.5Ghz i5

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

I am telling you the truth ….

If you dont want to believe me than its your problem.

Look when i compare FX 6300 (mimic 4300) and i7 3770K (mimic i5 K) at 3.8Ghz…
Yes there quite difference …
Fx was about 60 while i5 was like 85… but when you do into fight huge zerks FX was doing 15 fps while i5 was doing 17-18 FPS … so really worth it?

All depends on the game aslo F1 2014 split screen … Fx OC-ed was doing same or better as stock i7 and in LoL also.

basically games running DX9 … you wont see difference while DX11 like BF3 or Crysis 3… Fx 4300 5GHz wont catch up with 3.5Ghz i5

What in game settings were you running to get those FPS?

Here is a screenshot I took of a JorLag fight on my G3258@4ghz

I please you to calm down. You really should not argue anymore. It was not my fault to beginn a fanboy war. So lets go back to the thread.

To sum it up, both the fx8350 and the haswell are good for gaming. But for gw2 i will have an increase whem i use the haswell.

i like amd a lot and use their CPUs for 8 years now. And i also like my fx in offline games. but it doesn’t make me happy when i’m playing gw2 anymore. Now i am at the point where i would do everything for every mor frame i can get except of turning down the settings to low

gigamarkus.2109:

I please you to calm down. You really should not argue anymore. It was not my fault to beginn a fanboy war. So lets go back to the thread.

To sum it up, both the fx8350 and the haswell are good for gaming. But for gw2 i will have an increase whem i use the haswell.

i like amd a lot and use their CPUs for 8 years now. And i also like my fx in offline games. but it doesn’t make me happy when i’m playing gw2 anymore. Now i am at the point where i would do everything for every mor frame i can get except of turning down the settings to low

There’s history here. As for a ‘fanboi’ war, thats not whats going on. Its fact, the IPC on AMD is 50-65% less then Intels 4th gen CPUs. So by swapping from an Fx8350 to even a G3258 you are going to see 50-65% increase in general performance for GW2 due to the Higher IPC. IPC is what drives THIS game. Additional cores is a close 2nd.

Attached is another screenshot I took off my G3258, in Queensdale. This what I’d expect for performance in the open world on a dual core Haswell.

When I used to play GW2 on a FX8350, I never saw above 65FPS with similar settings.

I’m uploading a video of the performance of i5 4690k in EoTM, so you can compare. The i7 will give you a little bit more performance, but negligible in heavy situations. You will notice the most while recording, as its impact is reduced a lot as you add more cores.

To sum it up, compared to this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpQIEKwyxA), I get minimum of 19 fps in a much crowded fight, while having slightly worse gpu and a bit better graphic setup. All this recorded in a 4 cores cpu vs his 8 cores.

It is worth the upgrade? Don’t expect to play at +40 fps in big boss events, but definitely you’ll notice the difference.

But if you buy an i7 4790k, don’t think about going anything but Z97. It’s worthless to buy an unlocked cpu and put it in a locked MB.

Finally, remember that until 27th December there’s a cashback if you buy a MB+ unlocked intel cpu (for the i7 4790k it will be around 50€).
https://toptechcashback.com/pages/cashback/promo_select

okay so i’m gonna buy a z97 for the 4790k and let see what the future brings. hopefully i can run this system up to 2017

All i am trying to say that maybe he should wait for better IPC improvement….
If money isnt the problem then… just go fo it.

check this
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/192858-visc-cpu-virtual-core-design-emerges-could-this-be-the-conceptual-breakthrough-weve-been-waiting-for

i7 4790K has plenty of power… the problem is Dx9 and GW2… if you will play future MMOs like Archage then large battle 100+ player shouldnt be problem.

Also other MMOs are comming to the consoles (XBOXOne will use DX12) also DX12 is comming to PC they may use DX12 for PC to.

I’m using that cpu with a GTX 970 and I haven’t noticed anything below 100 fps as of now =) I’m using a z97 too by the way…

gigamarkus.2109:

okay so i’m gonna buy a z97 for the 4790k and let see what the future brings. hopefully i can run this system up to 2017

actually, H97 can OC now too. There was a leaked EFI update from Intel that let manufacturers unlock the multiplier on H97 too (its what I’m using to OC my G3258).

But you do get what you pay for. I find that Z97-gaming boards that have 8 and 12 phased power designs tend to hold higher OC’s better then non gaming boards (such as my low end H97M-G43 that I have). My G3258 will OC to 4.8Ghz at 1.3v in my Z97-G45 but will only OC to 4.3Ghz @1.3v in my H97M. So the Motherboard DOES make a difference.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

All i am trying to say that maybe he should wait for better IPC improvement….
If money isnt the problem then… just go fo it.

check this
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/192858-visc-cpu-virtual-core-design-emerges-could-this-be-the-conceptual-breakthrough-weve-been-waiting-for

i7 4790K has plenty of power… the problem is Dx9 and GW2… if you will play future MMOs like Archage then large battle 100+ player shouldnt be problem.

I wish Anet would move GW2 off of DX9. But with out Subscriptions or a instream of currency I just don’t see that ever happening with how they do release updates.

While you can wait for higher IPC cpus (skylake will be next, but not until 2016~) there comes to a point where waiting makes no difference anymore. And that is were we are right now. To get 40+FPS in this game, blobwars/zergs, we need something that’s 30% faster then a Haswell core clocked at 8ghz (if you do the math against it that’s about what it comes down to). We are not going to see that until well into 2020~ And that’s AFTER the 10nm silicon limit we will be hitting very soon.

Yeah… Dx12 should help a lot.

Also Virtual cores should make huge difference. If they would put 2 haswell cores into one virtual core then it would be great.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

Yeah… Dx12 should help a lot.

Also Virtual cores should make huge difference. If they would put 2 haswell cores into one virtual core then it would be great.

the ‘virtual’ core is what got AMD into the boat they are in now.

logical compute cores with non-shared resources will be better then shared cores and ‘virtual’ cores.

But, I cannot wait for what AMD releases next. its been 2 years since we have seen a new ‘performance’ line. They did rebin to the FX8370/8370e and FX8320, for lower TDP. But the performance is about the same as the FX8350. Its time for them to release a new socket with a new chipset for their new CPU performance line.

sirsquishy.8531:

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

I am telling you the truth ….

If you dont want to believe me than its your problem.

Look when i compare FX 6300 (mimic 4300) and i7 3770K (mimic i5 K) at 3.8Ghz…
Yes there quite difference …
Fx was about 60 while i5 was like 85… but when you do into fight huge zerks FX was doing 15 fps while i5 was doing 17-18 FPS … so really worth it?

All depends on the game aslo F1 2014 split screen … Fx OC-ed was doing same or better as stock i7 and in LoL also.

basically games running DX9 … you wont see difference while DX11 like BF3 or Crysis 3… Fx 4300 5GHz wont catch up with 3.5Ghz i5

What in game settings were you running to get those FPS?

Here is a screenshot I took of a JorLag fight on my G3258@4ghz

FX may be faster

My test:

Ansau.7326:

My test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XSvcnLcmwI

thats pretty much how my i7 performs. What resolution are you rolling on the desktop (since your in windowed mode the settings dont show it).

sirsquishy.8531:

Ansau.7326:

My test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XSvcnLcmwI

thats pretty much how my i7 performs. What resolution are you rolling on the desktop (since your in windowed mode the settings dont show it).

2560×1440 in a 1080p monitor using the new upscaling option from Catalyst Omega (Nvidia also has this tool since a while).

Ansau.7326:

sirsquishy.8531:

Ansau.7326:

My test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XSvcnLcmwI

thats pretty much how my i7 performs. What resolution are you rolling on the desktop (since your in windowed mode the settings dont show it).

2560×1440 in a 1080p monitor using the new upscaling option from Catalyst Omega (Nvidia also has this tool since a while).

Now that is NICE. I run 5040×900(eyefinity) and 1600×900, on a R9 280×. And my performance is just like yours on my i7-4790K.

Thx for uploading the video. It gives a good imagination.
1440p on 1080 screen… hm i should test this. it makes the UI smaller and gives a biggerfield of view, right?

gigamarkus.2109:

Thx for uploading the video. It gives a good imagination.
1440p on 1080 screen… hm i should test this. it makes the UI smaller and gives a biggerfield of view, right?

The field is the same, but yes, as the UI is smaller, it covers less.

Metheglin.6517:

Running the same but OCed to 4.4Ghz with a 780ti, getting average of 90 fps @ 1920×1080 @144 Hz on max settings.

Let me know what that fps is at during jormag phase 2 lol

Vegeta.2563:

Metheglin.6517:

Running the same but OCed to 4.4Ghz with a 780ti, getting average of 90 fps @ 1920×1080 @144 Hz on max settings.

Let me know what that fps is at during jormag phase 2 lol

Jojo at max….maybe 5 fps xD

No need, just go to lions arch….with my 2600K @4.8ghz and my CrossFire R9 290X…I just hit 35-40FPS

This is the highest ressources requirement game, good job Anet your are N°1 !!!!

I just wanted to make an update and thank all of you for helping me. My new PC is already here and I made my first event a few minutes ago.

I postet 2 pics, one with character limit on middle and one on high.

I am so happy with the new performance. It runs everything so smooth with the 4790k on 4,6 Ghz

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

I really wonder how much better performance you will over you current setup…

Upgrading your CPU for GW2 is useless… large WvW or Worl bosses your FPS will sucks with any CPU.

Arena.net should push for better performance with low lvl API….
this is not hard to do it… they have 2 options. Wait for DX12 or try it on Mantle.

The problems?
- GW2 is based on DX9…. i dont know if it can be ported to mantle. If it was DX11 then it would much better.
- Of course big investment into this project but… they dont care for our experience.

So if you want to play GW2 you need to spend 200$ on CPU + 120$ on MB and 100$ on GPU.. and yet it is not playable in WvW

So i recommend you to think about it… for GW2 …. not worth

here is some difference between FX 6300 and pentium g3258… actually there is no difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a-c1idbPhk

I would second this like 2 weeks ago, it can be quite playable if you are willing to spend thousand dollars on x99 platform. But that still doesnt change the fact that its just not worth it for gw2. Take it from someone who literally change 3 platforms and spent thousands of dollars on hardware just for this game..

muslumgurseks.4951:

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

I really wonder how much better performance you will over you current setup…

Upgrading your CPU for GW2 is useless… large WvW or Worl bosses your FPS will sucks with any CPU.

Arena.net should push for better performance with low lvl API….
this is not hard to do it… they have 2 options. Wait for DX12 or try it on Mantle.

The problems?
- GW2 is based on DX9…. i dont know if it can be ported to mantle. If it was DX11 then it would much better.
- Of course big investment into this project but… they dont care for our experience.

So if you want to play GW2 you need to spend 200$ on CPU + 120$ on MB and 100$ on GPU.. and yet it is not playable in WvW

So i recommend you to think about it… for GW2 …. not worth

here is some difference between FX 6300 and pentium g3258… actually there is no difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a-c1idbPhk

I would second this like 2 weeks ago, it can be quite playable if you are willing to spend thousand dollars on x99 platform. But that still doesnt change the fact that its just not worth it for gw2. Take it from someone who literally change 3 platforms and spent thousands of dollars on hardware just for this game..

While I wouldn’t expect any GW2 difference between an OC 4790K and and OC 5820K, I am in the midst of making the decision between those two set-ups now. I am leaning toward the same MB you have. What are your general impressions so far? The cost difference is unimportant to me, but heat and power considerations are.

Honestly, Unless going for the 8core 2011v3 CPU, I would suggest staying on Socket 1150.
Even if you do plan to Crossfire, 8x v3 lanes are not going to hold you back. Though I would suggest going GTX970 or GTX980 instead of Crossfire/SLI.

The benefits from x99 wont really affect 32bit DX9 applications all that much. If you are going to do more then just that, then a 2011v3 build makes more sense. More PCIE Lanes, DDR4 (more costly), and more CPU cores.

http://ark.intel.com/compare/82932,80807

sirsquishy.8531:

Honestly, Unless going for the 8core 2011v3 CPU, I would suggest staying on Socket 1150.
Even if you do plan to Crossfire, 8x v3 lanes are not going to hold you back. Though I would suggest going GTX970 or GTX980 instead of Crossfire/SLI.

The benefits from x99 wont really affect 32bit DX9 applications all that much. If you are going to do more then just that, then a 2011v3 build makes more sense. More PCIE Lanes, DDR4 (more costly), and more CPU cores.

http://ark.intel.com/compare/82932,80807

Thanks, I wasn’t expecting any performance difference between the two for gaming. I was more interested in his personal level of satisfaction with his set-up. I would have sent it as a private message, but there are a lot of people pondering the issue at this point. I am doing a ground up build and it needs to be now. Performance/$$ ratios don’t matter to me. I was more curious if he was happy with the upgrade and maybe some GW2 CPU temperature info for his clock speed.

crossoverAtt.9680:

sirsquishy.8531:

Honestly, Unless going for the 8core 2011v3 CPU, I would suggest staying on Socket 1150.
Even if you do plan to Crossfire, 8x v3 lanes are not going to hold you back. Though I would suggest going GTX970 or GTX980 instead of Crossfire/SLI.

The benefits from x99 wont really affect 32bit DX9 applications all that much. If you are going to do more then just that, then a 2011v3 build makes more sense. More PCIE Lanes, DDR4 (more costly), and more CPU cores.

http://ark.intel.com/compare/82932,80807

Thanks, I wasn’t expecting any performance difference between the two for gaming. I was more interested in his personal level of satisfaction with his set-up. I would have sent it as a private message, but there are a lot of people pondering the issue at this point. I am doing a ground up build and it needs to be now. Performance/$$ ratios don’t matter to me. I was more curious if he was happy with the upgrade and maybe some GW2 CPU temperature info for his clock speed.

GW2 aside, what else are you going to run on the build? Any Virtual Machine work? Thats the real questions that need to be asked.

No, I have no real need for the extra 2 cores. The pros and cons of the 4790K vs 5820K are covered in pretty good detail around the web, but muslumgurseks has the board I was looking at I and was hoping for some personal feedback —- “I hate this thing. Worst decision ever. Some much easier to OC than regular Haswell.” Whatever. Also, I was curious about what temps he gets running @4.5 in GW2 because that is a more meaningful measure of normal use, compared to the usual Prime95 stuff.

I use the 4790K with a Thermalright Macho Rev. B Cooler and it gets between 55 and 65°C while playing GW2, depending on where you are (leveling or large scale events). So about 60°C is the average I have. When I close the game it’s cooling down fast to about 30°C.

gigamarkus.2109:

I use the 4790K with a Thermalright Macho Rev. B Cooler and it gets between 55 and 65°C while playing GW2, depending on where you are (leveling or large scale events). So about 60°C is the average I have. When I close the game it’s cooling down fast to about 30°C.

Thanks, that is useful for comparison (4790K@4.6)

crossoverAtt.9680:

gigamarkus.2109:

I use the 4790K with a Thermalright Macho Rev. B Cooler and it gets between 55 and 65°C while playing GW2, depending on where you are (leveling or large scale events). So about 60°C is the average I have. When I close the game it’s cooling down fast to about 30°C.

Thanks, that is useful for comparison (4790K@4.6)

4790K + Prolimatech GNSS and 3x 140MM Vortex 98CFM(900RPM) fans@100%
(Push/Pull)
Z97-G45 MSI motherboard, XMP 1866 CL10/9/10 Corsair RAM.
4.0Ghz@0.9v 45-53C prime95 Blend Test for 60mins, Average and Core0 Temps
4.6GHz@1.25v 58-66C prime95 Blend Test for 60mins, Average and Core0 Temps
4.8Ghz@.128v 61-71C prime95 Blend Test for 60mins, Average and Core0 Temps
4.9Ghz@1.325v 73-80C prime95 Blend Test for 60mins, Average and Core0 Temps
5.0GHz@1.4v 84-87C prime95 Blend Test for 60mins, Average and Core0 Temps

GW2 temps are much less the the Prime95 Blend tests. 4.0Ghz Core0 will never break 51c’s and at 4.6Ghz it will never break 63c’s for example. And those voltages are what are stable (7day 24×7 burnin test on prime95, yes that was 7 weeks of testing)

Is that more of what your really looking for?

No, the in game average temps are what I was looking for. There is a lot of limit data out there and it is useful in finding your ceiling when setting the clock, but I was more interested in the game load temperatures and it’s not something you see in most reviews. Nothing I do will be taxing 4/8/12 cores at 100%. The in game temps (minor cooling variances aside) give me an approximate idea of how much heat is being generated and what fan speeds I would need to run for normal gaming. I am curious how much heat the extra 2 cores of the 5820K bring under gaming loads. Normally, you would expect it to be more without a doubt, but with the lower voltages of an X99 and a few ticks less on the clock, those extra cores may not be so greedy. Since I am far too familiar with this game and it represents a higher CPU load than most every other game out there, it makes for a good comparison tool. Obviously, if you want lower temps, lower your clock and voltage, but Muslumgurseks has a very good overclock on the exact board and memory I’ve selected in the X99 build. Sorry to hijack the thread. The 4790k data is useful too.