So I’ve been looking for an upgrade for quite some time now and because I’ve read that GW2 is very CPU intensive I was thinking of upgrading the CPU.
As some of you might know, yesterday Intel has introduced their 6th gen of I processors, including the I7 6700k. If I wanna upgrade to this CPU I need to upgrade my MOBO and MEM aswell, so it is gonna cost a bit..
My question is, do you guys think this upgrade will be worth it?? I mostly play WvW with my guild, so the part I want to improve performance will be when there are allot of players on the screen.
1. Buy the 6700K, DDR4, and the Correct Motherboard
2. Buy a 4790K, reuse your DDR3 Modules and buy a new Motherboard(cheaper then Skylake)
IMHO, depending on RAM costs right now (have not looked) its a toss up in performance. the 6700K is only 10% faster then the 4790K at the same clock speed. Its going to cost 350-375 while the 4790K can be found for 329-335.
I am on a 4790K currently and do not have any problems. GW2 gets smoked on this CPU (200FPS+ teamed with a 295×2 in CF) and I am running 4.6ghz with a Prolimatech GNSS (66C while gaming)
But IMHO those are the only 2 logical high performance (Single threaded) options right now. And the bottom line comes down to DDR4 costs.
You do have a point here, but imo upgrading to a 4790k isnt really an option, is it? I mean that would mean I would still need to buy a new mobo and could reuse the RAM which would save me like €100,- but wouldnt be as future proof as the Z170 chipset, right?
Look at this, mind you this includes a 4770K and not a 4790k in the lineup and the Skylakes are engineering samples, Binned FOR testing. In reality THIS is the best to hope for from the 6700K.
Skylake is not necessarily the most ground breaking architecture over Haswell. It affords a 19% CPU performance gain over the i7-4770K and 5% over the i7-4790K.
Also, no such thing as Future proof. You could get a 4790K today and by the time it was time to upgrade that CPU Intel would be on a different socket. So looking at it in an upgrade path is the wrong way.
In that same review, if you read the conclusion it does say “Sandy Bridge, Your Time Is Up.”
yes it does, but read my edit.
IMHO there is no good reason to choose A 6700K over a 4790k unless the cost between the 2 systems is with in 25%. And I know its not.
If you buy a 6700K today, when its time to upgrade from that CPU its going to be a new socket
If you buy a 4790k today, when its time to upgrade its going to be a new socket
there is a 5% performance gap between a 4790K and 6700K.
the only exception is if you KNOW you can benefit from DDR4. And if you know that you benefit from the new memory spec you should probably be looking at quad channel on the X99 Platform starting with a 5820K anyway.
Since you are coming from Sandy, going to a 4790K or 6700K is going to give you the same perception in performance increase. If you choose the 4790K you gain the ability to reuse your DDR3. If you goto the 6700K you CAN reuse your DDR3 but youll end up with a mixed DDR4 and DDR3 board with 2 slots per type of memory (meaning 16GB in total for DDR3 and 32GB total for DDR4 right now) and youll probably end up wanting to upgrade the Motherboard anyway.
As you pointed out it does future proof it. The only drawback, other than cost, is the whole Z170 chipset and motherboard hasn’t really been tested with the inevitable tweaks and BIOS upgrades that a more mature Z97 motherboard has. You will be on the bleeding edge and everything that means.
I think if you could hold off for a few months that the i7-6700K (or i5-6600K) and the Z170 is the way to go. There will be a few bios patches out and supply of Skylake should bring the price closer to suggested retail. Also DDR4 prices may start to go down as well.
As you pointed out it does future proof it. The only drawback, other than cost, is the whole Z170 chipset and motherboard hasn’t really been tested with the inevitable tweaks and BIOS upgrades that a more mature Z97 motherboard has. You will be on the bleeding edge and everything that means.
I think if you could hold off for a few months that the i7-6700K (or i5-6600K) and the Z170 is the way to go. There will be a few bios patches out and supply of Skylake should bring the price closer to suggested retail. Also DDR4 prices may start to go down as well.
But that’s my opinion.
Intel is going to run 2-3 cycles on the 1151 socket. By the time its upgrade a 6700K Intel will be rolling a new socket. Thats not future proofed. There is no such thing as future proofing Technology. Best you can hope for is a 5-6 year cycle before upgrading.
As you pointed out it does future proof it. The only drawback, other than cost, is the whole Z170 chipset and motherboard hasn’t really been tested with the inevitable tweaks and BIOS upgrades that a more mature Z97 motherboard has. You will be on the bleeding edge and everything that means.
I think if you could hold off for a few months that the i7-6700K (or i5-6600K) and the Z170 is the way to go. There will be a few bios patches out and supply of Skylake should bring the price closer to suggested retail. Also DDR4 prices may start to go down as well.
But that’s my opinion.
Intel is going to run 2-3 cycles on the 1151 socket. By the time its upgrade a 6700K Intel will be rolling a new socket. Thats not future proofed. There is no such thing as future proofing Technology. Best you can hope for is a 5-6 year cycle before upgrading.
It’s more future proof than Socket 1150 which is at it’s end. Desktop Broadwell have lower base clock performance. DDR3 goes bye-bye with the end of Socket 1150 as Socket 1151 and Socket 2011-3 are DDR4. That’s future proofing, at least for a few years.
2600k is enough powerfull, and getting better CPU wont help u in any way.. if u have low fps, get better GPU
if someone is saying somethign different he is lying, end of story
PCIE 4.0 support is great, DDR4 is great but expensive, no one knows how reliable the new boards will be as of yet, the general 5-20% improvement is kinda… meh…. id rather wait until DDR4 becomes more affordable and PCIE 4.0 is a thing, and we see how well it does, that being said – 4 PCIE 16x slots is great if you want to use multiple GPU’s in other games.
- The 6700k OC to 4.6 or 4.7 (which seems to be easy) will be around 30% more powerful than your overclocked 2600k.
- Z170 has pcie 3.0 while yours has 2.0. This will add around 5fps more.
- Your ddr3 ram will probably be 1333 or 1600 at most. ddr4 will start at 2133, but I suggest to get 2666, 2800 or 3000. This will add another 5fps more.
- The 6700k OC to 4.6 or 4.7 (which seems to be easy) will be around 30% more powerful than your overclocked 2600k.
- Z170 has pcie 3.0 while yours has 2.0. This will add around 5fps more.
- Your ddr3 ram will probably be 1333 or 1600 at most. ddr4 will start at 2133, but I suggest to get 2666, 2800 or 3000. This will add another 5fps more.
For gw2 it is a good upgrade.
Ok no this is not true most of those becnhmarks use newer instruction sets, which makes new processors better, faster and efficient (due having new instruction sets compared to old ones), When games start taking advantage of this then yes u will see better performnce. Old games (like gw2) will hardly use these so basically they will perform the same on an old i7 2600k than on a new i7 6700k. Notice these benches are also made at stock clock speeds and the new i7 has a base clock of 4.2ghz compared to 3.8ghz from the old one. When u overclock both the new will get to 4.7 or close to that as maximum Oc while the old one will get 4.8-4.9.
U can see all the gaming benches and even on CPU starved games like atila total war u will see indentical performance on both CPUs. The reasson for this is Intel hvn’t improved IPC since sandy days, they only added tricks and gimmicks to their new procesors but they hvn’t done anything groundbreaking yet to make em really faster. Sure the new i7 will feel a bit faster during general usage, but for gaming, hell no untill the games start taking advantage of newer technologies.
I would advice you to just keep your i7 2600k untill it dies or they release faster processors (for real). If you use you PC for video editing, rendering or other professional stuff where u can take advantage of new instruction sets to do things faster, then definitelly go get the new i7 6700k right away cuz DDR4 PCIe 4.0 M.2 USB 3.0 are worthly platform upgrades u wanna have to be more productive. If you only game then u will notice no difference whatsoever between the old i7 2600k and newer processors (at least on current games it may change for future games).
After much reading and talking to a few people that I know who have ES’s, we all agree on one thing. There is no good reason to buy a 6700K over a 4790K if the cost makes sense. Meaning 25-30~ in price difference.
Z170 series chipsets do Deliver more PCIE lanes for M.2 and CF/SLI setups, BUT the Z170 Chipset is limited to PCIE 3.0 x4 equivalent Bandwidth to the CPU. So if you are running 8×8×4x configs and pushing it hard, anything above 16x (what the CPU actually delivers) is going to bottleneck you. (Keep an Eye on anandtech.com for SLI/CF benchkmarks with 980Ti and Furyx using the 6700K and you’ll see what I mean here)
There are already m.2 SSD Speed tests (IOMeter and what not) showing this x4 limitation (meaning some of these SSD tests in RAID0 are not exceeding 2GB/s when they should be pushing much more)
the ONLY benefit to going to Skylake right now is quite literally DDR4 and eDRAM+Iris. The new Socket1151 has the same limitations as socket 1150.
And DDR4 in dual channel is not that much faster then DDR3. The main benefit is that you can get higher density DIMMs under DDR4 then you can under DDR3. But if your after Memory you will be on X99 or a server platform rather then a consumer desktop.
- The 6700k OC to 4.6 or 4.7 (which seems to be easy) will be around 30% more powerful than your overclocked 2600k.
- Z170 has pcie 3.0 while yours has 2.0. This will add around 5fps more.
- Your ddr3 ram will probably be 1333 or 1600 at most. ddr4 will start at 2133, but I suggest to get 2666, 2800 or 3000. This will add another 5fps more.
For gw2 it is a good upgrade.
Ok no this is not true most of those becnhmarks use newer instruction sets, which makes new processors better, faster and efficient (due having new instruction sets compared to old ones), When games start taking advantage of this then yes u will see better performnce. Old games (like gw2) will hardly use these so basically they will perform the same on an old i7 2600k than on a new i7 6700k. Notice these benches are also made at stock clock speeds and the new i7 has a base clock of 4.2ghz compared to 3.8ghz from the old one. When u overclock both the new will get to 4.7 or close to that as maximum Oc while the old one will get 4.8-4.9.
U can see all the gaming benches and even on CPU starved games like atila total war u will see indentical performance on both CPUs. The reasson for this is Intel hvn’t improved IPC since sandy days, they only added tricks and gimmicks to their new procesors but they hvn’t done anything groundbreaking yet to make em really faster. Sure the new i7 will feel a bit faster during general usage, but for gaming, hell no untill the games start taking advantage of newer technologies.
I would advice you to just keep your i7 2600k untill it dies or they release faster processors (for real). If you use you PC for video editing, rendering or other professional stuff where u can take advantage of new instruction sets to do things faster, then definitelly go get the new i7 6700k right away cuz DDR4 PCIe 4.0 M.2 USB 3.0 are worthly platform upgrades u wanna have to be more productive. If you only game then u will notice no difference whatsoever between the old i7 2600k and newer processors (at least on current games it may change for future games).
Running conventional benchmarks that run both on Sandy Bridge and Skylake shows that Skylake is anywhere between 5.5% and 69.3% faster than Sandy Bridge. Cinebench is 22.3% faster. These percentages are all at the same non-turbo clock speed. This has nothing to do with “new instructions”, just older ones that are faster.
Ok no this is not true most of those becnhmarks use newer instruction sets, which makes new processors better, faster and efficient (due having new instruction sets compared to old ones), When games start taking advantage of this then yes u will see better performnce. Old games (like gw2) will hardly use these so basically they will perform the same on an old i7 2600k than on a new i7 6700k. Notice these benches are also made at stock clock speeds and the new i7 has a base clock of 4.2ghz compared to 3.8ghz from the old one. When u overclock both the new will get to 4.7 or close to that as maximum Oc while the old one will get 4.8-4.9.
U can see all the gaming benches and even on CPU starved games like atila total war u will see indentical performance on both CPUs. The reasson for this is Intel hvn’t improved IPC since sandy days, they only added tricks and gimmicks to their new procesors but they hvn’t done anything groundbreaking yet to make em really faster. Sure the new i7 will feel a bit faster during general usage, but for gaming, hell no untill the games start taking advantage of newer technologies.
I would advice you to just keep your i7 2600k untill it dies or they release faster processors (for real). If you use you PC for video editing, rendering or other professional stuff where u can take advantage of new instruction sets to do things faster, then definitelly go get the new i7 6700k right away cuz DDR4 PCIe 4.0 M.2 USB 3.0 are worthly platform upgrades u wanna have to be more productive. If you only game then u will notice no difference whatsoever between the old i7 2600k and newer processors (at least on current games it may change for future games).
How wrong you are here. Reviews show a good improvement in CPU based games, you need to check again those reviews.
Newer cpus not only have more instructions sets, but also more ipc, more fpu or faster ones, faster memory, pcie 3.0… Over sandy bridge.
Yesterday did a small test and in karka queen I was getting 22-30fps with everything maxed, and in jormag it didn’t fall below 30fps with a bit less people.
I5 4690k oc to 4.4ghz, 8gb ram 2400mhz cl10 and r9 285.
I went from an i5-2400 to a i5-4590 a few months ago. It definitely helped a bit in GW2 performance wise but the difference wasn’t as massive to warrant all the money. I upgraded because I wanted a second system not because of GW2 though.
An i7-2600k OC’ed to 4.5ghz is enough to play the game at full hd 60+ fps. As has been mentioned repeatedly across many threads, no system configuration will net you a 60+ fps during large groups.
Intel’ CPUs have made improvements but an i7-2600k is a high end model and still holds more than enough horsepower for today’s games. Give it another year or two.
I just do not see anything more then a 10% jump until Intel changes from Silicon to something else. Going from a 4790K to a 6700K nets 5% at best, and thats really saying something.
The current Skylake CPUs do NOT contain eDRAM+Iris. It’s the Intel HD 530. So no HUGE L4 cache.
You are thinking of the Broadwell Socket 1150 i7-5775C.
The current no, but they are going to release Skylake CPUs with eDRAM + Iris at some point. And I honestly can’t wait until they do.
I want to see a dual core (G or i3) with Iris + eDRAM, cause when that happens that shuts down AMD’s APU’s until they are forced to release their new Zen technology. AMD needs that push.
The current Skylake CPUs do NOT contain eDRAM+Iris. It’s the Intel HD 530. So no HUGE L4 cache.
You are thinking of the Broadwell Socket 1150 i7-5775C.
The current no, but they are going to release Skylake CPUs with eDRAM + Iris at some point. And I honestly can’t wait until they do.
I want to see a dual core (G or i3) with Iris + eDRAM, cause when that happens that shuts down AMD’s APU’s until they are forced to release their new Zen technology. AMD needs that push.
Intel needs AMD otherwise the price will jump at least 50%. APUs are fine for low price solution.
Ok no this is not true most of those becnhmarks use newer instruction sets, which makes new processors better, faster and efficient (due having new instruction sets compared to old ones), When games start taking advantage of this then yes u will see better performnce. Old games (like gw2) will hardly use these so basically they will perform the same on an old i7 2600k than on a new i7 6700k. Notice these benches are also made at stock clock speeds and the new i7 has a base clock of 4.2ghz compared to 3.8ghz from the old one. When u overclock both the new will get to 4.7 or close to that as maximum Oc while the old one will get 4.8-4.9.
U can see all the gaming benches and even on CPU starved games like atila total war u will see indentical performance on both CPUs. The reasson for this is Intel hvn’t improved IPC since sandy days, they only added tricks and gimmicks to their new procesors but they hvn’t done anything groundbreaking yet to make em really faster. Sure the new i7 will feel a bit faster during general usage, but for gaming, hell no untill the games start taking advantage of newer technologies.
I would advice you to just keep your i7 2600k untill it dies or they release faster processors (for real). If you use you PC for video editing, rendering or other professional stuff where u can take advantage of new instruction sets to do things faster, then definitelly go get the new i7 6700k right away cuz DDR4 PCIe 4.0 M.2 USB 3.0 are worthly platform upgrades u wanna have to be more productive. If you only game then u will notice no difference whatsoever between the old i7 2600k and newer processors (at least on current games it may change for future games).
How wrong you are here. Reviews show a good improvement in CPU based games, you need to check again those reviews.
Newer cpus not only have more instructions sets, but also more ipc, more fpu or faster ones, faster memory, pcie 3.0… Over sandy bridge.
Yesterday did a small test and in karka queen I was getting 22-30fps with everything maxed, and in jormag it didn’t fall below 30fps with a bit less people.
I5 4690k oc to 4.4ghz, 8gb ram 2400mhz cl10 and r9 285.
Sorry but no, most reviews are done at STOCK clocks speeds the new processor has a way higher stock speed than the old one, when u overclock em both u realize the performance difference becomes minimal. Unless u take advantage of the DDR4 memory or the PCIe 3.0 or new insturction sets processors performs basically identically, 10% difference on performance means nothing takes you from 30 FPS to 33 (at best), which is essentially the same on a CPU bottlenecked scenario.
Please stop this kittenness, you dont need a new 4 core i7 if you own a 4 core sandy already. Maybe if you had an old i5 getting a new i7 would make sense for multithreaded performance in some games but 4c/8t i7 to 4c/8t i7 makes no sense at all. Unless u plan on taking advantage of the platform upgrades. But for this game hell no u will see no improvment at all.
If you wanna waste money on a platform upgrade at least go Haswell-e, a 6 core processor with a masive ammount of DDR4 memory and more PCI lanes is sweet upgrade in horsepower over what u have atm but nontheless for this particular game u will see no improvment at all.
Scroll down to the section OVERALL: CPU IPC. Those 7 benchmarks, some single core/multicore, are run on Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge/Haswell/Broadwell/Skylake CPUs running at 3GHz, so all underclocked, with DDR3 memory. You can clearly see the improvement between CPU generations.
There is a 20% improvement between Sandy Bridge and Skylake in CineBench. Same with PovRay, another CPU intensive benchmark. No “new instructions” or advantage from DDR4 here. No better thermals so Turbo kicks up the speed, no faster default clock speed. Skylake IS a faster CPU at the same speed against existing software.
You are right, this doesn’t necessarily translates into an equal performance gain in games. But if you already OCing, getting another 20% above what you already have is a virtual impossibility unless you are barely OCing.
Scroll down to the section OVERALL: CPU IPC. Those 7 benchmarks, some single core/multicore, are run on Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge/Haswell/Broadwell/Skylake CPUs running at 3GHz, so all underclocked, with DDR3 memory. You can clearly see the improvement between CPU generations.
There is a 20% improvement between Sandy Bridge and Skylake in CineBench. Same with PovRay, another CPU intensive benchmark. No “new instructions” or advantage from DDR4 here. No better thermals so Turbo kicks up the speed, no faster default clock speed. Skylake IS a faster CPU at the same speed against existing software.
You are right, this doesn’t necessarily translates into an equal performance gain in games. But if you already OCing, getting another 20% above what you already have is a virtual impossibility unless you are barely OCing.
Ok if you think Cinebench is equal to real world performance, ehm…. There is nothing else to say. I do invite you to check out the GAMING benches on that very same review and see what real worl gaming performance means. And as i said, at best it is 10% faster in 1 game GTA 5. That is about it, some other CPU intensive games like atila perform exactly equal. Gaming is not equal to sytnthetic CPU benches cuz every game is different they basically move massive ammounts of data from CPU to memory to GPU, during this process there are many things that affect the performance, not only raw CPU performance.
All these ¨review¨ websites are paid by intel and such to speak marvels about their new releases but lets face it. Intel has not released a decent CPU since the sandy days, people should just kittening boycot every single of these garbage releases. How is it kittening possible that a 2011 CPU made in 32nm is virtually as good as a 2015 CPU made in 14nm, they even comsume about the same kittening power. They should at least be giving you 8 cores at this point at the same price to barelly justify their inneptitude. This is completelly unacceptable and people should just not buy these producs cuz they are garbage, plain and simple it is like we had 560ti videocards still. Hell no any 100$ videocard in 2015 will destroy a 300$ 2011 videocard, that is how CPU market should kittening work. Compare a kittening iphone 3 to an iphone 5 for god sake, the x64 CPU industry is a technology embarasment.
Rerards like you who read these biased reviews and believe what they say without stopping for a second and actually thinking for yourself are the reasson why the industry is not moving forward, cuz nobody has the balls to tell intel they are a piece of kitten.
Scroll down to the section OVERALL: CPU IPC. Those 7 benchmarks, some single core/multicore, are run on Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge/Haswell/Broadwell/Skylake CPUs running at 3GHz, so all underclocked, with DDR3 memory. You can clearly see the improvement between CPU generations.
There is a 20% improvement between Sandy Bridge and Skylake in CineBench. Same with PovRay, another CPU intensive benchmark. No “new instructions” or advantage from DDR4 here. No better thermals so Turbo kicks up the speed, no faster default clock speed. Skylake IS a faster CPU at the same speed against existing software.
You are right, this doesn’t necessarily translates into an equal performance gain in games. But if you already OCing, getting another 20% above what you already have is a virtual impossibility unless you are barely OCing.
Ok if you think Cinebench is equal to real world performance, ehm…. There is nothing else to say. I do invite you to check out the GAMING benches on that very same review and see what real worl gaming performance means. And as i said, at best it is 10% faster in 1 game GTA 5. That is about it, some other CPU intensive games like atila perform exactly equal. Gaming is not equal to sytnthetic CPU benches cuz every game is different they basically move massive ammounts of data from CPU to memory to GPU, during this process there are many things that affect the performance, not only raw CPU performance.
All these ¨review¨ websites are paid by intel and such to speak marvels about their new releases but lets face it. Intel has not released a decent CPU since the sandy days, people should just kittening boycot every single of these garbage releases. How is it kittening possible that a 2011 CPU made in 32nm is virtually as good as a 2015 CPU made in 14nm, they even comsume about the same kittening power. They should at least be giving you 8 cores at this point at the same price to barelly justify their inneptitude. This is completelly unacceptable and people should just not buy these producs cuz they are garbage, plain and simple it is like we had 560ti videocards still. Hell no any 100$ videocard in 2015 will destroy a 300$ 2011 videocard, that is how CPU market should kittening work. Compare a kittening iphone 3 to an iphone 5 for god sake, the x64 CPU industry is a technology embarasment.
Rerards like you who read these biased reviews and believe what they say without stopping for a second and actually thinking for yourself are the reasson why the industry is not moving forward, cuz nobody has the balls to tell intel they are a piece of kitten.
Yay! You get a tin foil hat for your Intel pays them all conspiracy theory.
I was countering your allegations that any CPU performance gain was due only to newer instructions and DDR4 memory.
Cinebench and PovRay are perfectly good pure CPU benchmarks. Even 3DPM shows some improvement generation to generation but it’s obvious that it’s very data cache dependent as Broadwell with it’s additional e-DRAM L4 cache helps in that case.
I wouldn’t recommend upgrading from Haswell Devil’s Canyon CPU but an ancient Sandy Bridge? I think it’s a little too soon, give it 3 months or so for issues to be resolved but if you want a the “new” platform, then why not?
If I had the pc I would show like 20 reviews showing the improvement over generations and how affect in cpu based games.
But the smartphone is one of a hell to do it. You can check Anandtech, tomshardware, hardware canucks, pclab, pchardwaregames, tweakdown, overclock3d, 3dguru, hardocp, kitguru, hexus, compubase…
Just because you dont believe it doesn’t mean its true. Skylake is noticeable more powerful than sandy bridge and cpu based games, like gw2, see a big improvement.
Some tests:
Arma 3, 10fps more http://m.pclab.pl/art65154-26.html
Bf4 mp 40fps more http://m.pclab.pl/art65154-27.html
