Guild Wars 2

Hi guys, between Lenovo y500 – single GT750M 2GB DDR5 – 870dollars
and an Asus G75VX – single GTX670MX 3GB DDR5 – 1250dollars
which one is better?

There is the choice of Lenovo Y500 – GT750M 2GB in SLI, but people said it`s not going SLI, so in that case I may go with Asus.

The Asus G75VX has the superior graphics. Go for that.

Dedicated graphics cards in laptops have a very strong tendency to overheat. Personally I would suggest the built in intel HD family graphics. They’ve come a long way and in laptops do their job just fine without frying your lap.

Then again, why are you using a laptop for gaming? For the same money you’d have 3 times the pc.

Comparing the Intel HD Graphics 4000 to dedicated graphic cards is like comparing an AMC Pacer to a Porsche 968. While they are both hatchbacks, their performance are quite different.

Yes, the GTX 675MX is the best of the two you listed. marnick is right however, it will likely produce a lot of heat so ventilation is very important. You may also want to use the setting that caps the framerate as that should help with the heat generated.

marnick.4305:

Dedicated graphics cards in laptops have a very strong tendency to overheat. Personally I would suggest the built in intel HD family graphics. They’ve come a long way and in laptops do their job just fine without frying your lap.

I’m sorry, but this is absolutely terrible advice and should be ignored. The Intel HD cards are great for games like Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja but when it comes to actual games they are not meant for that task and are completely incapable of performing up to a reasonable level. I know many people, myself included that use Laptops with Nvidia and ATI Dedicated cards and none of us have overheat problems.

Since the question is posed here on the Guild Wars 2 forum, it’s a safe assumption that the OP is asking which is better for playing GW2 not Solitaire or Minesweeper. And to answer the original question, the Asus is indeed the superior product for gaming performance.

Behellagh.1468:

Comparing the Intel HD Graphics 4000 to dedicated graphic cards is like comparing an AMC Pacer to a Porsche 968. While they are both hatchbacks, their performance are quite different.

Performance isn’t everything. When talking about laptops, performance is the last consideration, while heat, durability and portability takes the front seats (excuse me the analogy).

To take your car comparison further … gaming on a laptop is like driving backwards on a freshly plowed field. Whether you’re using an AMC Pacer or a Porsche 968 for that isn’t going to make any difference, apart from the damage in your wallet. Actually, I’d prefer an old 2CV or Daf 66 for that, but that’s another discussion entirely.

Yes, the GTX 675MX is the best of the two you listed. marnick is right however, it will likely produce a lot of heat so ventilation is very important. You may also want to use the setting that caps the framerate as that should help with the heat generated.

I’d also strongly recommend only playing on lowest settings to preserve your laptop’s lifetime. Moving it often and playing on mid or high will destroy it in about a year’s time. Hence my car comparison.

If you want a durable laptop, go for business models. These are made with higher quality plastic/alu and better components overall. However you’ll be hard pressed to find a business model laptop with dedicated GPU.

In case of consumer model laptops with GPU, I can only suggest Apple laptops. But be prepared to fork over the cash for the superior design. They will last far longer than any windows based laptop.

Well is there a need to have a laptop? If you’re constantly traveling and you absolutely can’t have a desktop, then I can see why you would want a laptop to ‘game’ on. However, if there is no real reason to have a laptop to game versus a desktop, then I can’t recommend either since a deskto kitten uperior in everything except portability to a laptop.

With that said, I see your budget varies quite a bit since the price between the laptops are pretty big. What do you plan on doing in GW2 on that laptop?

If you plan on PvP and PvE you should be alright. This is assuming the CPU in those laptops can handle large dynamic events in GW2 like the dragon fights. I recommend at least Intel’s 3630QM. Just don’t expect more than 25FPS in large dynamic events with a laptop of this caliber.

If you plan on WvW, the more powerful the CPU the better the performance since WvW is mostly driven by the CPU. The larger the fights, the more powerful the CPU should be.

If this ASUS computer you have specced out has at least a 3630QM, I would go with that laptop.

EDIT: Hooray, the filtered section in the first ‘paragraph’ says
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but since the ‘p’ ‘is’ ‘s’ makes a ‘bad’ word with spaces, its filtered out. Fail.

@marnick and others

Sadly today’s youth want both portability and performance and aren’t willing to compromise on either (price is also really big which leads to many a laughable question). They want to take their gaming rig to their SO’s, parent’s, friend’s, wherever and still be able to play their games. This is why trying to get them to go with a desktop rig fails. And because they aren’t willing to compromise on graphic settings, they want a gamer class GPU.

As for reduced lifespan of a laptop versus the ease of fixing or upgrading a desktop, laptops are like cell phones for this generation. Entirely disposable and obsolete in a year or two. They don’t expect they will still have the same one by the next Presidential election so burning out a gaming lapto kitten imply expected and something to plan for. (Edit: WOW! The objectionable word filter is a little extreme now isn’t it.)

Personally I believe people who want to do hardcore gaming on laptops are silly. Keyboards are smaller, CPUs and GPUs are a notch or two slower, battery life is laughable (which is why gamers think of it simply as an easily transported computer), just too many compromises to reach a set price point/limit.

I want a Laptop cause I`m traveling this summer and it`s not possible to bring a desktop around like that ( US > Italy > GB > US )
Both Laptops have an i7 3630QM Processor, Lenovo has the choice of GT 750M in SLI in Ultrabay, but I dont think it would give a sick perfomance vs GTX 670MX, dont even know if laptops SLI works on GW2.
I plan to get a Desktop in september – october, Haswell should be available in few months.

I plan to do PVE ( dungeons ) and SPvP, I dont really like WvW and when I do it, I go roaming.
There is a comparision of those 2 GPU, GTX 670MX is 40% stronger than a single GT 750M, but in SLI, the GT 750M is better, but the final question is, worth going SLI in GW2?

Solfan.7531:

I want a Laptop cause I`m traveling this summer and it`s not possible to bring a desktop around like that ( US > Italy > GB > US )
Both Laptops have an i7 3630QM Processor, Lenovo has the choice of GT 750M in SLI in Ultrabay, but I dont think it would give a sick perfomance vs GTX 670MX, dont even know if laptops SLI works on GW2.
I plan to get a Desktop in september – october, Haswell should be available in few months.

I plan to do PVE ( dungeons ) and SPvP, I dont really like WvW and when I do it, I go roaming.
There is a comparision of those 2 GPU, GTX 670MX is 40% stronger than a single GT 750M, but in SLI, the GT 750M is better, but the final question is, worth going SLI in GW2?

Yeah, so I would avoid SLI due to potential heat issues associated with having two graphics modules generating heat. I tossed my GTX 560Ti (non 448 edition back in the day) with my ancient 9800GT just to see what would happen. Turns out that when you have terrible case ventilation, the heat really builds up and the cards run much warmer than if there were only one inside. In a laptop I could see this being a problem when not properly cooled by propping it up, etc. etc.

However, if its a liquid cooled laptop (I can’t wait until these arrive on the market) then I don’t see an issue with the SLI setup. Even though they’re less powerful GPUs thus probably generating less heat than 2 GTX 670MX chips, I can still see that it might cause issues, especially when ‘on average’ or ‘less than average’ cleaning/maintenance is occurring.

For what you will be doing in GW2, the ASUS laptop is your better bet and if I was in a position similar to yours, it would be the one I would choose to go with. I hope this helps!

Sure it helps mate! Thank you! I was going to Lenovo GT 750M SLI, but it may not be worth at GW2, probably they will perform the same.
I`m hopin to get a desktop in october anyway, so the laptop is gonna be a secondary choice or I may even sell it.

I heard GTX 675MX is much more stronger than GTX 670MX, but cant find anything at <1250$.
If you guys have any better choice for a laptop at that price, I`m free to check them

Thanks

The 750m (DDR5 version) should be as good as a 660m possibly even so far as a 670mx so ether is fine imo.

If ur thinking of SLI 750m, choose a single 750m and try get a Desktop 3820CPU Laptop, they are far superior to a laptop/mobile CPu like the 3630QM.

Hello there again, by the way, between GTX 670MX and GTX 675MX, there is a nice performance difference, but the price is only 100$ more.
Is it worth going GTX 675 MX, for Guild Wars 2 or the 670 MX is fine enough?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/CyberPowerPC+-+17.3%26%2334%3B+Laptop+-+8GB+Memory+-+750GB+Hard+Drive+-+Black/8686143.p?id=1218887714270&skuId=8686143

CyberPowerPC, is it a good brand or I should keep my Asus one having GTX 670MX?

I would recomend waiting for haswell laptops, the will be out in a month or so, they will consume a lot less power, which most likelly means less heat and higer clocks plus they will have capable intel integrated graphics.

Hmn, any release date for Haswell already? I mean, even if they are out by June, I guess it will take a while until they release laptops having new processors, right?

Solfan.7531:

Hmn, any release date for Haswell already? I mean, even if they are out by June, I guess it will take a while until they release laptops having new processors, right?

Dealers like Dell and HP have earlier access to the processors to prepare products that include the new hardware before the hardware’s actual release date. There should be some laptops out and about within a week of the announced release date, I would think.

However, the graphics Intel is bragging about is still lackluster compared to AMD’s embedded graphics solutions and discrete graphics cards by AMD and Nvidia. The absolute top end of Intel’s embedded graphics series, the 5200 Iris Pro, are expected to perform similar to the 650M by Nvidia. They are making leaps and bounds in progress, which is great, but they’re not quite there yet. I still wouldn’t rely on hardcore gaming for Intel, but they are for sure moving into the mid-end gaming sector in terms of graphics performance when compared to Nvidia’s discrete solutions.

Well, once they release the new Laptops, the price raise to the stairs, probably not so worth I guess.
I was thinkin bout getting a Lenovo Y500 with GT 750M SLI or a Cyberpower with a GTX 675MX, which I think is better than the 750M SLI, or well, wait another month for the Haswell laptops.
I dont know if I wait or go for it now XD

Wait.

If ur close to a release ..always wait. Buying new tech at the start of its life may be more expensive, but u get the performance and can use it for longer b4 u need to upgrade again.

if only give us some stuff to check out, like prices and laptops…
I cant find anything on google about release of new cpus on laptops or price.
It`s to sad having to wait alteast a month to play again.

Haswell is 10-15% faster than Ivy, while GPU should still be the same, right?
I hope it`s worth the wait.

Solfan.7531:

if only give us some stuff to check out, like prices and laptops…
I cant find anything on google about release of new cpus on laptops or price.
It`s to sad having to wait alteast a month to play again.

Haswell is 10-15% faster than Ivy, while GPU should still be the same, right?
I hope it`s worth the wait.

Haswell will be in the ballpark of 10% fast theoretically. In practice, no one really knows how much better it will perform. The benchmarks done on the processors are just that, benchmarks, and while you can estimate how much performance gain there is. No one will really know how much your code will compile faster or how much faster you can encode audio/video using your favorite encoding software until people get their hands on the hardware itself.

The embedded GPU is a different story. Intel was lagging behind everyone simply because everyone started their graphics division before Intel did. AMD is currently ahead in embedded graphics which is their main competitor in terms of consumer desktop CPU and embedded GPU designs. However, that might change once Broadwell, the iteration of Haswell, comes out in 2014.

It’s going to be a bit more convoluted to compare Intel’s Ivy Bridge graphics compared to Haswell’s graphics because Haswell has multiple offerings this time around. The HD 4600 which is the lowest tier, the HD 5100 Iris, the HD 5200 Iris Pro, and perhaps some ones between the HD 4600 and HD 5100 Iris that I am forgetting. The Iris Pro is supposed to be pretty decent, bordering on mobile entry discrete graphics like the GTX 650M from Nvidia. I still wouldn’t recommend this to anyone who wants to really play games, but it is a huge step forward for Intel in the race against AMD and gaining ground into having no need for lower end discrete mobile graphics solutions which will hamper sales for AMD and Nvidia from their low end mobile perspective. With that said, the HD 4600 is theoretically going to be about 25% better than Ivy Bridge’s HD 4000. Keep in mind that 25% of a low number is still a low number, so don’t expect anything groundbreaking here.

Intel seems more occupied playing catch up in other areas of the CPU, which should almost start being call a SoC in my opinion. Areas like graphics to catch AMD and Nvidia and low power consumption to start eying up with ARM designs from Qualcomm and others so that Intel can successfully enter the tablet and smartphone arena. Intel doesn’t really need to push the CPU architecture to make leaps and bounds in performance like they did in the past because they are top dog in that area right now. Hopefully they’ll start offering their CPUs with a more competitive price like AMD and bump i3’s to be dual core or quad core solutions, i5’s to quad core hyper threaded solutions, and i7’s to hex/octa core with and without hyper threading.

Well if you have a Nvidea or Radeon card in your mobile, it disables the intel 4000 card, doesnt it?
Well if I go for Haswell, I have to wait atleast 1month and a half, and probably the laptops aint better than Ivy`s for the same price.

I`m so tempted to buy it right now, been waiting a month already cause I had to sell my desktop to move, now I that made enough money to buy it, I have to wait until june, so frustrating.

So sad there isnt enough date to compare all the stuff

Solfan.7531:

Well if you have a Nvidea or Radeon card in your mobile, it disables the intel 4000 card, doesnt it?
Well if I go for Haswell, I have to wait atleast 1month and a half, and probably the laptops aint better than Ivy`s for the same price.

I`m so tempted to buy it right now, been waiting a month already cause I had to sell my desktop to move, now I that made enough money to buy it, I have to wait until june, so frustrating.

So sad there isnt enough date to compare all the stuff

Yeah, if there is a discrete graphics module inside the laptop the user can switch between the embedded graphics and discrete graphics. I guess the point that I was making was that with Intel beefing up its embedded graphics, you’ll be seeing less and less GT 610 – GT 645 from Nvidia.