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Posted by: Mo Mo.1947

Mo Mo.1947

Hello,

Can someone shed some light on a situation for me? I was trying to create a goofy looking Asuran named Gubby Huggles and the game wouldn’t allow it saying it contained inappropriate words. I contacted support about this and their response just said I should review the naming policy. I did and nothing there explains why my name is disallowed.

I went ahead and Googled “Gubby” and found that other than one urbandictionary result, Gubby is just a REAL NAME that people have. The urbandictionary definition (of course) has a bad meaning, but only 96 fools have approved this word. And SIXTY TWO others have downvoted it. Could one UNPOPULAR urbandictionary slander definition REALLY be the reason my name isn’t allowed?

If you look at the results for the name Jerry, you’ll find that thousands of people on urbandictionary have decided that Jerry means someone with large sexual organs. Does GW2 ban the use of the name Jerry also?

How many other names have been slandered on urbandictionary? Will GW2 ban them all?

Am I missing something? I can’t find any other possible explanation for why my name would be disallowed, and this explanation I did find is a ridiculously arbitrary and a bad reason to ban my name.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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I would say the fact that the highest voted definition of the word on Urban dictionary is what it is would be more than enough to not allow the world. Since quite clearly that is a definition that exists.

Jerry on the other hand is a rather common name, that most likely existed long before the supposed definition (it is also a name used for Germans during WWII for that matter).

It might also simply be the use of Gubby in combination with Huggles of course.

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Posted by: Mo Mo.1947

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No it’s not the highest voted definition of the word. It’s the ONLY definition on urbandictionary. And urbandictionary is at the top of the search results because urbandictionary as a website is more popular than these other websites referencing real people with the name Gubby.

Gubby is a name that has existed just like Jerry is a name that has existed. It’s just one that fewer people have heard.

All it takes to get 100 people to vote for a definition is for some highschool punks to make fun of some unpopular kid and then put up a stupid definition on urbandictionary and tell their friends about it.

So basically by banning the name Gubby ANet is possibly reinforcing internet bullying.

And Krall, urbandictionary definitions mean nothing. I could create a definition with the name Krall right now and say anything I want about it. Nothing on urbandictionary is inherently legitimate. And less than 100 upvotes, countered by 62 downvotes is hardly a convincing definition.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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And yet it is very clearly a definition used by people (I personally have never heard of anyone with that name, so it is most likely rather uncommon), and as such it is fully logical to not allow it.

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Posted by: Mo Mo.1947

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No please read my post edit. It is not CLEAR and it is not LOGICAL. Urbandictionary isn’t a legitimate source of information until hundreds if not thousands of people have upvoted a word and it’s upvotes far outnumber it’s downvotes.

You yourself just said you have never heard of the word before. And Gubby isn’t a popular name but there are pictures of old people with the name Gubby on the internet so it’s not a new name. It’s been around for decades just like other names.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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I never said I never heard the word before, I said that I have never heard someone with that NAME before, which is a rather major difference.

Might I inquire (just for information) why you choose that name for your character in the first place?

Technically they don’t really need to have a reason at all in order to ban a name or an account, but since there actually IS a definition that would go against the Naming Policy I really don’t see why it is such and issue.

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Posted by: Seera.5916

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And ANet doesn’t want any offensive names in their game. Someone reported your name, which mean they view your name just like it is on urbandictionary. And well, support researched it and found the same thing. Since one person found it offensive in game, they figured others in game likely would.

If you wish to appeal the name change, you do need to discuss it with support in a ticket. No action will be taken based on a post on the forum.

Given the fact that you’re aware of a negative connotation of the name coupled with the fact that it’s a highly uncommon name in real life, I would not get your hopes up of it being reversed.

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Posted by: Mo Mo.1947

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You seem to really be convinced that one urbandictionary post with barely any support counts as a legitimate definition. I still don’t understand why you think this. So you’re telling me you have heard the word gubby used with the definition given on urbandictionary before today?

I chose the name Gubby because I looked at my silly-looking Asurans face and started making up goofy words to describe it. I had never come across the word or name “Gubby” before. It was just a random word I made up.

In GW1 I had a character named Mo Mo Patty Blinks. The name has no meaning at all. I was just extremely tired from gaming all night and rambling sounds in a fake Irish accent to try and think up a name. That’s how I create names. I just start making up name-ish words while I look at my character in the creation window.

@Serena: NO ONE reported my name. The game wouldn’t let me create the character from the start. And I’m only aware of a negative connotation of the word because I was searching for some explanation for a name ban that didn’t make sense.

Do NONE of you really understand how illegitimate an urbandictionary definition with less than 100 upvotes and 62 downvotes is? Do you not see how easily any word or name could get those kinds of votes with any definition someone wanted to make up?

The one urbandictionary definition is COMPLETELY illegitimate.

And I am requesting action on a support ticket. I just came to the forums to try and figure out why this name is bad.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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I also checked out close results to Gubby, and the world grubby is quite close to that. Which can mean that they simply read Gubby as a potential way to avoid the filter since the combination of grubby and huggles is not very nice.

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Posted by: Mo Mo.1947

Mo Mo.1947

Grubby? Grubby isn’t a bad word either… They don’t ban any word with the slightest negative connotation. There is someone with the name “No Self Esteem”. They’re not gonna ban them because the person made a depressing name… Grubby could be the perfect name for an engineer in fact.

Also I just made a character named Grubby Huggles to test. It allowed me to choose that name.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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Okay, so the issue was Gubby then, which clearly does have a definition that is not allowed by the Naming Policy.

You simply seem to have decided that you are right and everyone else is wrong, so I really don’t see a point continuing this discussion.

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Posted by: Mo Mo.1947

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@krall. Please stop using the word “clearly” unless you can explain how anything is clearly defined? Like I’ve said 3 times: How is a definition with less than 100 of the humans on the planet upvoting it and 62 others downvoting it a “clear” definition?

I haven’t decided that I am right. I have decided that urbandictionary is NOT an legitimate source of information and no one has given any counter to my arguements regarding the illegitimacy of this one defintion.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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I didn’t say clear definition. I said that it clearly does have a definition that would be against the Naming Policy.

As in: It does have a, easily found, definition that would be against the naming policy.

It doesn’t really matter if it is 2 million people or 100 people that uses that definition. The fact that it exists and takes less than 1 minute to find with a swift search is more than enough to validate not allowing the name.

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Posted by: Mo Mo.1947

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Yes it does matter how many votes a definition gets Krall. How could you think 2 million people agreeing is the same as 96 people agreeing?

And you don’t seem to understand how search engines work. Top results on Google are heavily based on the popularity of the website, not the web page.

If you search any word that happens to be on urbandictionary, the urbandictionary page will be in the top results. That’s because urbandictionary is popular, not because the word is popular or widespread.

You can even search your forum handles and come up as a top result. This isn’t because you’re popular, it’s because the forums you’re using are popular.

Given this, you should note all the other top results that are completely different. All referencing to people with the name “Gubby”. Gubby is even a family name that has an English crest of you follow some of the results.

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Posted by: Seera.5916

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Then it could be a letter combination in the name that catches the filter.

Either way, support is the only one who will be able to tell you the answer as to what’s up with the name.

And considering it’s the censor that’s catching the name and not a report from a player, you will be likely told that there’s nothing they can do and that you’re just going to have to choose a new name.

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Posted by: Mo Mo.1947

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I’m just trying to find a reason, that’s all. If I had googled Gubby and found anything more than 96 people saying it means something dumb, I’d let it go.

I make up random words all the time for character names and a couple times when I’ve searched them I’ve found that the word means something I didn’t expect and has a lot of support for that meaning.

In this case there is hardly any support for a bad meaning of the word Gubby. And mostly a large body of evidence that Gubby is a just name that has been used for decades.

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Posted by: Seera.5916

Seera.5916

Well, the only way you’re likely to get an answer is to ask support via a ticket.

We users can only GUESS as to the reason it’s not allowed.

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Posted by: Mo Mo.1947

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I understand. I’m just trying to collect an opinion. I had never heard of the bad meaning of gubby so I came to figure out if I was just completely out of the loop with the word.

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Posted by: kaat.8237

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Actually, the only vote that counts is Anet’s. Just one. And Anet has apparently voted that Gubby is not a name they want in their game.

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Posted by: mtpelion.4562

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As “gubby” is not allowed to be used, then ArenaNet has proactively decided to ban the use of that word from character names. This means that they have already determined that the word is offensive and cannot be used.

Your ticket won’t get much more of a response than this. You certainly aren’t going to get a pre-banned word un-banned.

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http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/8515.html

Anywho, contact them via e-mail rather than picking a fight here, which will not win you friends with those who could overturn the decision.

This isn’t a democracy, it’s a mostly benevolent dictatorship, like all online games. Their game, their rules.

We are heroes. This is what we do!

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Posted by: Mo Mo.1947

Mo Mo.1947

I’ve seen other threads where words were prebanned in error and a Dev recommended to someone that they create a support ticket to get it fixed.

So that’s exactly what I did. And I came here to figure out if there’s any other reason the word might be banned other than an illegitimate urbandictionary post. I’ve yet to hear another reason so I’m not satisfied if urbandictionary garbage definitions are what they base their word bans on.

You can type in almost any random sound you can think of into urbandictionary and find some stupid definition. Did you know that 62 people agree that “dorf” means " A term used to describe a human who believes he is a fantastical dwarf. " While 100’s of other people say it means something entirely different on the same website.

There’s not even a second entry in urbandictionary for the word “gubby”. Popular words always have multiple entries that have similar definitions.

And I didn’t come here to pick a fight. I came here for insight and opinions and immediately got bombarded by someone who insisted repeatedly that the word must be valid just because it was on the internet somewhere.

I am just trying to see if anyone at all knows any other source other than the stupid urbandictionary entry that would justify making “gubby” a bad word.

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Posted by: GM Talon.8726

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Lead Game Master

There are words or combinations of words that could potentially mean something offensive to another culture or nation, some of which may be slang that is not easily discovered through a search engine. Here’s the core bit from the Naming Policy as a refresher:

We do not permit names that:

Have offensive racial, ethnic, national, or cultural connotations
Include hate speech or bigoted slurs
Reference sexual acts or real life violence
Are pornographic
Make inappropriate references to human anatomy or bodily functions
Reference illegal drugs or activities
Reference religious or historical figures
Reference real-life people
Reference names of copyrighted or trademarked characters, materials, or products
Use misspellings or alternative spellings of names that violate any of the above rules

While we realize a lot of names may be created without malign intentions, perception is what matters in the long run. For this particular case, it appears that a combination of strung letters in the name “Gubby Huggles” is what’s triggering the filter.

The naming filter is a collection of words, slang, letter combinations, etc. across many, many languages that have been collected since Guild Wars launched in 2005; as such, the Support Team cannot simply narrow down which specific language a string of particular letters may trigger the filter, especially since direct access to the naming filter is limited to a few individuals.

As a last point, to clarify, if a name is not allowed by the naming filter and the name has never existed in the past, we cannot simply “override” it with a button to allow it to exist. If the name was previously censored and it was decided that the name was not in violation of the Naming Policy, a GM can then allow the name back into the game.

As this reply more than covers the initial inquiry for this thread and recent replies have shown this topic to be railing off towards the deep end so to speak, I’m closing it now.