Overheating GPU
What temperature was it reaching right before the crash? I cant see Gw2 stressing a GPU more than “Other games”(GTA V? The Witcher 3?) but letting it render at 90fps will cause extra heat. Very strange that capping the FPS didnt greatly reduce the load/heat. My 260x runs around 67-70c in Gw2, was at 67c with Unlimited Frame Limiter running at 60fps. Changed the cap to 30fps and it dropped rapidly to 63c and might have gone down more if i gave it time.
Will need screenshots of GPU load temperatures,ingame graphic settings and more information on case airflow(number of fans,their orientation,ect.).
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Cooling of my PC is not an issue (I build PC’s as a job, got more fans and airflow than needed) – I can Play Crisis 3, BF4, GTAV, Tera, WoW, WoT, CS:GO, on highest settings… kitten I even played Witcher 3 on Ultra and my GPUs barely scratch 70 C. And in GW2 I can’t look at a wall on lowest settings (yes, I have just tried to limit my view to a single wall, and nothing else), because in minutes my GPU reaches 100 C and my PC shuts down.
What the hell is wrong with this game ?
Which AMD drivers are you using? Also what chipset drivers are you using?
Depending on if it is a driver error or not causing the fans not to accelerate properly the best bypass is to open the CCC and go down to Overdrive. Here you will be able to select and set your GPU’s fan speed manually.
Also the reason I am thinking driver error, is I run an AMD setup and my card never passes 40C…I built a friend a similar build with a R9 280x and his is about like mine temp wise.
Another possibility would be a faulty thermal sensor, but as it does not show the same trouble in other games I would doubt it.
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I’m using all the latest drivers, and my fans are working fine – when I start GW2 they rev up to 100% in a minute, and stay there until my PC crash.
My GPU is being loaded more with GW2 than when I’m mining bitcoins…
Just to be certain…Your sure it is the GPU overheating?Did you check by hand (if the pc shuts down cause of it, it should be notable by getting putting your hand against the case where the GPU’s are
By reving up I assume you mean taking up all resources on the GPU??
If thats the case I suspect something is causing a loop that the GPU is trying to process. (so basicly keeping the gpu busy for no reason at all).
This can be caused by any of the programs responsable for the input (directx, GW2, drivers).
So try updating to the latest directX (and if you have the latest, uninstall and reinstall). Reinstall the drivers.
Reinstall GW2, download a new dat-file (you can try if a reinstall is enough, if that isn’t the case, delete the dat file and download a new one)
Install not the latest drivers, but an older version.
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Overheating is always a hardware problem.
Cooling of my PC is not an issue (I build PC’s as a job, got more fans and airflow than needed) – I can Play Crisis 3, BF4, GTAV, Tera, WoW, WoT, CS:GO, on highest settings… kitten I even played Witcher 3 on Ultra and my GPUs barely scratch 70 C. And in GW2 I can’t look at a wall on lowest settings (yes, I have just tried to limit my view to a single wall, and nothing else), because in minutes my GPU reaches 100 C and my PC shuts down.
What the hell is wrong with this game ?
I’ll bet you its the thermal paste on the GPU more then anything else. And the fact the Mining doesnt overheat the GPU and GW2 does means absolutely nothing.
I would replace the Paste with IC7 compound as its been said, Overheating is always a hardware issue.
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Note: Crossfire regardless of space will always heat up faster than single GPU.
Now noticing you have a 280X crossfire, AMD is still adjusting the video cards to work in crossfire mode sufficiently. If you haven’t done so, I would recommend updating your drivers into the 15.4BETA Drives on the AMD site. Using old drivers with a new SERIES or GENERATION of video cards can cause them to use more resources than needed which may be your case.
Recommended Action with the Hardware: Close browsers that use hardware acceleration and NPAPI software when using. AMD is at fault for this one, When hardware accelerated browsers are on, AMD tends to split it’s crossfire resources which is not good causing drivers to crash.
Ensure you’ve reset any voltage settings in your mother board if you’ve changed them from a previous videocard, and readjust them to function in crossfire.
Guild wars suggested specs only allow for the game to be Playable at a minimum of 30 fps on recommended settings. (shouldn’t be a problem there)
I suggest playing in Full screen rather than window full screen, it will set some programs to Idle and prevent resources from pooling away.
I have a crossfire build 7870’s and they function perfectly (while being awfully close to each other). They don’t run at full and manage to run the game smoothly.
Edit: They hit a Max of 45C.
(edited by Greyfire.6524)
Note: Crossfire regardless of space will always heat up faster than single GPU.
Now noticing you have a 280X crossfire, AMD is still adjusting the video cards to work in crossfire mode sufficiently. If you haven’t done so, I would recommend updating your drivers into the 15.4BETA Drives on the AMD site. Using old drivers with a new SERIES or GENERATION of video cards can cause them to use more resources than needed which may be your case.
Recommended Action with the Hardware: Close browsers that use hardware acceleration and NPAPI software when using. AMD is at fault for this one, When hardware accelerated browsers are on, AMD tends to split it’s crossfire resources which is not good causing drivers to crash.
Ensure you’ve reset any voltage settings in your mother board if you’ve changed them from a previous videocard, and readjust them to function in crossfire.
Guild wars suggested specs only allow for the game to be Playable at a minimum of 30 fps on recommended settings. (shouldn’t be a problem there)
I suggest playing in Full screen rather than window full screen, it will set some programs to Idle and prevent resources from pooling away.
I have a crossfire build 7870’s and they function perfectly (while being awfully close to each other). They don’t run at full and manage to run the game smoothly.
Edit: They hit a Max of 45C.
The 280x is actually a 7970 re-badged. Its not new, its going on 3 years old now and soon going to be retired in the AMD drivers as it is (when they drop the 7000 series, the 260x, 270/270x, and 280/280x are all going by-by for support since they are all recycled 7000 series hardware). so no, AMD is not ‘still’ working on Crossfire for GCN 1.0 cards.
This is a hardware issue, sure it could be a voltage issue but since voltages are pretty regulated its probably more a thermal paste issue.
as long as the OP is on 14.12 drivers, upgrading drivers at this point (even to Beta) wont make much of a difference since all optimizations are only being done to GCN 1.1+ cards in preparation for the 300 series which launches very soon.
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The reasoning behind me saying driver issue would be a faulty reading on the software side which could easily initiate a fail-safe shutdown.
Another idea would be to pull the GPUs out and blow out the fans and heatsinks to make sure there isn’t any residual dust built up.
Note: Crossfire regardless of space will always heat up faster than single GPU.
Now noticing you have a 280X crossfire, AMD is still adjusting the video cards to work in crossfire mode sufficiently. If you haven’t done so, I would recommend updating your drivers into the 15.4BETA Drives on the AMD site. Using old drivers with a new SERIES or GENERATION of video cards can cause them to use more resources than needed which may be your case.
Recommended Action with the Hardware: Close browsers that use hardware acceleration and NPAPI software when using. AMD is at fault for this one, When hardware accelerated browsers are on, AMD tends to split it’s crossfire resources which is not good causing drivers to crash.
Ensure you’ve reset any voltage settings in your mother board if you’ve changed them from a previous videocard, and readjust them to function in crossfire.
Guild wars suggested specs only allow for the game to be Playable at a minimum of 30 fps on recommended settings. (shouldn’t be a problem there)
I suggest playing in Full screen rather than window full screen, it will set some programs to Idle and prevent resources from pooling away.
I have a crossfire build 7870’s and they function perfectly (while being awfully close to each other). They don’t run at full and manage to run the game smoothly.
Edit: They hit a Max of 45C.
The 280x is actually a 7970 re-badged. Its not new, its going on 3 years old now and soon going to be retired in the AMD drivers as it is (when they drop the 7000 series, the 260x, 270/270x, and 280/280x are all going by-by for support since they are all recycled 7000 series hardware). so no, AMD is not ‘still’ working on Crossfire for GCN 1.0 cards.
This is a hardware issue, sure it could be a voltage issue but since voltages are pretty regulated its probably more a thermal paste issue.
as long as the OP is on 14.12 drivers, upgrading drivers at this point (even to Beta) wont make much of a difference since all optimizations are only being done to GCN 1.1+ cards in preparation for the 300 series which launches very soon.
I mistakenly confused it for the R9, amd having various generations, but GCN 1.0 still gets minor tweaks in crossfire from any 1.2 GCN updates since they never fixed common issues. (While the drivers improve 1.2 more significantly.) It’s hard to a assume cooling since he did state other games make his GPU run cool. Guild wars shouldn’t work the GPU that hard since it relies more on the processor, and having his shaders off (stated he’s on lowest settings) I don’t even think other games should run as well. There were problems were certain videocard with old drivers (past 14.12) make games use a High load, like FTL on HD7860’s not working will with 14.12 but the latest had resolved that issue for it still. As long as it’s still supported, they still patch things up with the mess crossfire is now.
I’m in the same boat. I watched my GPU temps climb to overheating once I turned on GW2. After the patch today my CPU started going this while playing GW2. GPU temps climb to red.
What did they change?
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My CPU is water cooled. My tower is a full size with 8 fans…. Ram has dedicated cooling as well.
“I’m in the same boat. I watched my GPU temps climb to overheating once I turned on GW2. After the patch today my CPU started going this while playing GW2. GPU temps climb to red.
What did they change?"
If you’re overheating, it’s a hardware issue. You should be able to run your CPU with all cores maxed to 100% for hours without overheating, with your GPU running at 100% usage at the same time.
If you aren’t able to do that, there’s a problem with the cooling system.
Ok guys – I appreciate the “hardware” suggestions, but lets be clear, games like Witcher 3 on ultra uses a bit more resources than GW2 (like seriously). And Why it only happens in GW2?
I can play ANY game on ultra with GPU temps around 60, in Witcher 3 I reach 66. Additionally, lets be serious – overheating GPUs on lowest settings, by looking at a flat wall, with nothing else to work on vs Ultra in open world of Witcher 3? yeah…
As for Crossfire – as I stated before, My cards have a lot of room in between them and two fans blowing directly at them, there is no dust in my fans, case, radiators – I clean my PC very often.
I tried the older, newest, and Beta drivers – but it made no difference.
This looks like some software bug in GW2 :/
You said you added more fans well that maybe your problem, depending on the direction of airflow you may have caused some fans to cancel each other out. You need fans blowing in and fans blowing out. You could be causing dead air space or a vortex of the same air that never moves check the direction of the fans you have installed see if there are equal number of fans blowing are in and out. A good way to test the air flow is to inject a little smoke, like from one of those insists stick or a candle after you just blow it out just to see how the airflow is inside the case. If the smoke lingers in any spot near the CPU you have an airflow problem. Remember do this at your own risk using an open flame is a fire hazard. Also if you have your PC in some type of enclosed desk shelf the system may not be getting enough external air to cool correctly make sure that the case has at least 6 inches or more on all sides.
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ok skipped most of the text – my system used to over heat to extent of shutdown – the cause was the thermal paste between cpu an heatsink was wearing thin , along with a nvidea card that had a heatsink instead of fan and gw2 used to overheat.
I decided to buy one of those cpu water cooler units ( all in 1 ) for around 50 pounds and now I don’t have any heat issues at all.
Btw my system had rear fan – front fan and 2 side fans which with the amount of heat given off via vcard wasn’t enough to cool system properly – hell even had a 9inch fan to blow cold air into the tower with side off lol.
You may think theres not much heat given off by heatsink vcard but I could play other games and watch youtube or videos and no problems but 5 mins into gw2 only running and ….shutdown
“This looks like some software bug in GW2 :/”
Nope. Even if GW2 used 100% of your GPU’s resources and pegged the processor at 100% – it still shouldn’t overheat. Personally, I would replace the thermal grease on your graphics card processor.
“This looks like some software bug in GW2 :/”
Nope. Even if GW2 used 100% of your GPU’s resources and pegged the processor at 100% – it still shouldn’t overheat. Personally, I would replace the thermal grease on your graphics card processor.
You’re Ignoring the fact they’ve stated other games run the GPU at cool. Guild wars should not be using more GPU resources than Witcher on Ultra as stated by the OP. <strong>I’m not assuming you said this,</strong> but If the processor maxes out, the GPU will not take the rest of the load, they both have individual properties, while the CPU focuses on rendering files while the GPU processes its memory to display graphics.
“This looks like some software bug in GW2 :/”
Nope. Even if GW2 used 100% of your GPU’s resources and pegged the processor at 100% – it still shouldn’t overheat. Personally, I would replace the thermal grease on your graphics card processor.
You’re Ignoring the fact they’ve stated other games run the GPU at cool. Guild wars should not be using more GPU resources than Witcher on Ultra as stated by the OP. I’m not assuming you said this, but If the processor maxes out, the GPU will not take the rest of the load, they both have individual properties, while the CPU focuses on rendering files while the GPU processes its memory to display graphics.
Edit: This is more something a dev should respond to, the topic is getting derailed. The main question is that GW2 should not be using all the resources.
(edited by Greyfire.6524)
“This looks like some software bug in GW2 :/”
Nope. Even if GW2 used 100% of your GPU’s resources and pegged the processor at 100% – it still shouldn’t overheat. Personally, I would replace the thermal grease on your graphics card processor.
You’re Ignoring the fact they’ve stated other games run the GPU at cool. Guild wars should not be using more GPU resources than Witcher on Ultra as stated by the OP. I’m not assuming you said this, but If the processor maxes out, the GPU will not take the rest of the load, they both have individual properties, while the CPU focuses on rendering files while the GPU processes its memory to display graphics.
Edit: This is more something a dev should respond to, the topic is getting derailed. The main question is that GW2 should not be using all the resources.
If this was a problem a Dev had to address, then a lot of ppl would be having this issue. And that’s just not the case.
Quick and dirty, the OP can delete GW2.dat and download a fresh copy of the game for the slight chance that something got corrupted during the download/install.
Otherwise, its a hardware issue. Just how it is.
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Laptop: M6600 – 2720QM, AMD HD6970M, 32GB 1600CL9 RAM, Arc100 480GB SSD
“This looks like some software bug in GW2 :/”
Nope. Even if GW2 used 100% of your GPU’s resources and pegged the processor at 100% – it still shouldn’t overheat. Personally, I would replace the thermal grease on your graphics card processor.
You’re Ignoring the fact they’ve stated other games run the GPU at cool. Guild wars should not be using more GPU resources than Witcher on Ultra as stated by the OP. <strong>I’m not assuming you said this,</strong> but If the processor maxes out, the GPU will not take the rest of the load, they both have individual properties, while the CPU focuses on rendering files while the GPU processes its memory to display graphics.
No, I’m simply stating how the hardware is designed to operate. If an engineer designs a video card that cannot sustain 100% load conditions for extended usage without overheating, that engineer should lose his job. It would bad design.
I’m not stating anything about the load that GW2 places on your GPU (which will vary depending on your system) – because it is irrelevant when it comes to temperature.
The fact is, that if your GPU is overheating under any software conditions; either the hardware has a defect or it was improperly designed in the first place.
It really is that simple.
“This looks like some software bug in GW2 :/”
Nope. Even if GW2 used 100% of your GPU’s resources and pegged the processor at 100% – it still shouldn’t overheat. Personally, I would replace the thermal grease on your graphics card processor.
You’re Ignoring the fact they’ve stated other games run the GPU at cool. Guild wars should not be using more GPU resources than Witcher on Ultra as stated by the OP. <strong>I’m not assuming you said this,</strong> but If the processor maxes out, the GPU will not take the rest of the load, they both have individual properties, while the CPU focuses on rendering files while the GPU processes its memory to display graphics.
No, I’m simply stating how the hardware is designed to operate. If an engineer designs a video card that cannot sustain 100% load conditions for extended usage without overheating, that engineer should lose his job. It would bad design.
I’m not stating anything about the load that GW2 places on your GPU (which will vary depending on your system) – because it is irrelevant when it comes to temperature.
The fact is, that if your GPU is overheating under any software conditions; either the hardware has a defect or it was improperly designed in the first place.
It really is that simple.
To be honest, I agree and disagree both at the same time.
You are splitting hardware and software too much imo. Both are parts of the total computer and should never be approached as two different things when it comes to “what is responsable” for any faulty behaviour. Very often, not the party that is technically responsable solves the issue, but the party that has the most benefit of fixing it.
So although you are right that a GPU overheating is a serious hardware issue. The cause of increased load (and in this case loop-behaviour cause the card to run at max all the time) isn’t a good issue either. So assuming the given info is all correct and assuming it indeed some kind of loop causing the overheating. there are two issues, both need fixing.
1: overheating.
2: software reving the GPU’s way to much up.
Only fixing the first, will not change the fact that the GPU is getting unwanted commands.
Only fixing the second will not change the fact that the GPU is overheating when udner high pressure.
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First of all .. there is NO benefit and NO gain for a multi GPU setup with GW2.
Top card will always get hotter because the other card below is cooking it no matter how good the space is between them. I owned so far about 5 or 6 Multi gpu setup over the years and ill never go that route again. Buy the best single gpu vid card you can and stick with it. If you really want to get multi gpus .. then your only choice is to watercool them or find a computer case where the motherboard is flat so the video card stand side by side and not on top of each other …
Are you using SweetFX / GEMFX ?? heavy use of shaders tend to stress even more GPUs … just for testing purpose .. try to turn off SweetFX if you have it and also the shaders option in game , i bet it will run a bit cooler. I know it will be ugly but try it for testing purpose.
Are you using more than one monitor ?? If all your monitors is plugged in the Top card , this card will never go in full idle clock .. for example a HD7970 run at 1Ghz in 3D mode at idle this card run at 300Mhz but if you have several monitors this card will always run 500mhz at idle.
You can make a custom profile to disable CF when you play GW2 and have it enabled when you play any other game. I suggest you to use a software like MSI Afterburner to make custom fan profiles because sometime the stock ones are not aggressive enough especially in a CF setup.