Guild Wars 2

I’ve noticed recently there seem to be a growing number of players using the Open World Content tab of the LFG tool as a classified section to list legendary weapons for sale (for in game gold). I know Anet seems to have taken the stance that you can trade outside the BLTC, but it’s buyer beware. Regardless, this seems like an illegitimate use of a tool that was intended for a completely different purpose. Though it doesn’t get used that often for the purpose of conducting sales now, if it that use were approved by Anet, I could foresee spammers taking over to avoid the TP tax. I was hoping for some clarification in the matter.

I saw a dev post on this, and if I remember correctly you are perfectly fine with reporting them for LFG abuse, especially since that’s not what the tool was meant to be used for. I believe that’s why the use of it for such has gone down.

• This issue is about the abuse of the LFG interface. Report it.
• Anet has stated that there is nothing wrong with seling outside BLTP (tho any player doing so with someone they do not “know” has questionable intelligence).
• Note that Anet has also stated that scamming via mail trades IS a perma-ban offense HOWEVER, they will NOT compensate the player that was scammed….

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/CS-and-Defrauding-aka-Scamming/4426427

Red post link there ^. The important part of that quote “Please understand that you are allowed to trade outside of the BLTP…”

I’d like to know your stance on why you think it’s perfectly fine to harass people that are doing something that you think is wrong, instead of just reporting and going on about your own business.

raethe.1903:

I’d like to know your stance on why you think it’s perfectly fine to harass people that are doing something that you think is wrong, instead of just reporting and going on about your own business.

I don’t see anywhere in this thread where anyone said they thought it was perfectly fine to harass anyone.

mtpelion.4562:

raethe.1903:

I’d like to know your stance on why you think it’s perfectly fine to harass people that are doing something that you think is wrong, instead of just reporting and going on about your own business.

I don’t see anywhere in this thread where anyone said they thought it was perfectly fine to harass anyone.

Let’s just say that I’m familiar with OP’s brand of vigilante attempts to prevent things that he doesn’t like in game.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/LFG-sellers/first#post4398856

You seem to have a very broad definition of harassment. I may have spoken about how I disagree with what you are doing, but mostly I’ve just been de-listing the spammy looking for group posts you use to sell legendary weapons. John Smith was pretty clear that the LFG tool is not to be used as a grey market and yet you persist in your postings. Joining a group just to remove it in this instance is akin to picking up the rubbish someone else left in the street and throwing it out. It’s swifter and more efficient than waiting for the hired trash collectors to come around. If you want to sell weapons off the TP, by all means do so, but don’t muck up the game’s commons in that pursuit.

Michael Henninger.7451:

Please understand that you are allowed to trade outside of the BLTP

That is a quote from a red post stating that what I’m doing is completely allowed in game.

What you are doing is harassment, and my definition is not overly broad. Definition of harassment: (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/harassment) “the act or an instance of harassing, or disturbing, pestering, or troubling repeatedly; persecution”.

You and your group of vigilantes (def: “any person who takes the law into his or her own hands, as by avenging a crime”) can use the tools provided to you if there is something you don’t like – simply report us and then put us on block and move on.

You admit in your own post that you continuously join our group in order to prevent us from doing something that Anet has stated is allowed and yet you think that you aren’t doing anything wrong. Just curious, are you also using the LFG tool to harass the guilds that I’ve seen recruiting via LFG tool? Don’t worry, it’s a facetious question, I don’t need the answer.

I don’t really have anything left to say that is polite.

I can’t account for the actions of others, however I’ve done nothing that entails punishing or harassing you. I’ve spoken with you civilly a few times, but now when I see one of your ads, I only join the group and take down the listing. There’s nothing inappropriate about peeling an ugly flyer from a utility pole or scrubbing off a graffiti tag. It may be within your rights to sell legendary weapons to friends, acquaintances or the sundry folk you meet on unofficial forums, but it’s explicitly not allowed on the LFG tool. You may find that not to your liking, but it would seem the devs don’t want to turn the LFG tool into a second-rate Craigslist.

John Smith.4610:

I agree with you. The LFG tool is not a grey market tool.

OP, you might want to mention in your OP (or elsewhere) that John Smith specifically asked you to create this thread so that someone from the CS Team could settle the matter. Don’t forget to PM him with the information about the thread, so he can contact one of the Team, as well.

Good luck.

raethe.1903:

Just curious, are you also using the LFG tool to harass the guilds that I’ve seen recruiting via LFG tool? Don’t worry, it’s a facetious question, I don’t need the answer.

Though you haven’t asked for a response to this question I don’t feel it’s unreasonable to respond. I go to the effort of removing your posts, because I find your behavior far more pernicious than random guild recruitment posts. If what you are doing is allowed, why couldn’t everyone start using the tool to sell stacks of mats, runes or any other items?

Dilyrio.1308:

but it’s explicitly not allowed on the LFG tool.

Reading comprehension – please review the previous posts where I directly linked to a quote from Michael Henninger, that explicitly and specifically states it is allowed, and is dated as a more recent post than the quote you are linking.

You may dislike what I’m doing as much as you’d like. That does not give you or anyone the right to take vigilante action and harass my group by continuing to join my parties and destroy them, rename them with offensive language and otherwise be disruptive in the game.

Again, I simply request that if you see something you don’t like, report it to Anet, block me, and let Anet handle it.

Reading comprehension indeed! Because you are allowed to trade outside the BLTC doesn’t mean you are allowed to use the LFG tool to promote your goods. Henninger says absolutely nothing about it in the posts you linked. If the mods or devs were to openly approve of your behavior, I pity them for all the complaints of fraud they would inevitably have to sift through.

Why yes, I’d love to also start reporting you for this abuse, raethe. The problem is that you are not selling to people you know. Although Anet has suggested to only trade with people you know, you are within your right to do so. And I’m also within mine to report you for it.

I will keep an eye out more in the LFG for this abuse. I used to let it go because I figured the people doing it were just stupid, but after seeing your personality I’ll have no qualms about it. Looking forward to seeing your postings in game.

raethe.1903:

Dilyrio.1308:

but it’s explicitly not allowed on the LFG tool.

Reading comprehension – please review the previous posts where I directly linked to a quote from Michael Henninger, that explicitly and specifically states it is allowed, and is dated as a more recent post than the quote you are linking.

Reading Comprehension – While Michael Henninger did state – rather, restate – that Anet allows (although he left out that they really do prefer you use the BLTP to prevent issues with scams) off BLTP trades, nowhere did he say that it is okay to use the LFG tool to do so.

John Smith’s pre-existing statement about the fact that the LFG tool is NOT a grey (aka completely in-game but off BLTP) market advertising tool is in no way canceled by Michael’s restatement of grey market policy.

Angel.6085:

Why yes, I’d love to also start reporting you for this abuse, raethe. The problem is that you are not selling to people you know. Although Anet has suggested to only trade with people you know, you are within your right to do so. And I’m also within mine to report you for it.

I will keep an eye out more in the LFG for this abuse. I used to let it go because I figured the people doing it were just stupid, but after seeing your personality I’ll have no qualms about it. Looking forward to seeing your postings in game.

Have at it, report away when you see me – I am not doing anything that Anet has stated is wrong. If I were, then I’m sure that the previous reports would have caused my account to be suspended or banned.

On the same topic, Anet has specifically stated that harassment is a suspension/bannable offense, and what has been happening to my groups is most assuredly harassment. I will continue to report as well; when there are offensive slurs thrown at me and such, I’m sure that will add up eventually.

Good evening, gentleman and/or ladies, may karma treat you kindly.

So no response to the fact that nowhere does Michael contradict John Smith?

Rajani Isa.6294:

So no response to the fact that nowhere does Michael contradict John Smith?

This would require her to be wrong, which clearly she has no comprehension of, lol.

raethe.1903:

Angel.6085:

Why yes, I’d love to also start reporting you for this abuse, raethe. The problem is that you are not selling to people you know. Although Anet has suggested to only trade with people you know, you are within your right to do so. And I’m also within mine to report you for it.

I will keep an eye out more in the LFG for this abuse. I used to let it go because I figured the people doing it were just stupid, but after seeing your personality I’ll have no qualms about it. Looking forward to seeing your postings in game.

Have at it, report away when you see me – I am not doing anything that Anet has stated is wrong. If I were, then I’m sure that the previous reports would have caused my account to be suspended or banned.

On the same topic, Anet has specifically stated that harassment is a suspension/bannable offense, and what has been happening to my groups is most assuredly harassment. I will continue to report as well; when there are offensive slurs thrown at me and such, I’m sure that will add up eventually.

Good evening, gentleman and/or ladies, may karma treat you kindly.

You have no concept of harassment. I’m within my rights to report you for abuse of LFG

Regardless, this is not actually an account issue and probably belongs in the general discussion forum.