Guild Wars 2

HI
I need a advice. My founds are really limited right now so I have very limited options.
So q is – with Radeon HD6850 and 8 GB which CPU is better for more FPS:
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition or Pentium Dual Core G860?
So q is really whats better for GW2 – better overall performance or single core performance??

THX for all the answers

Single core performance..but not an ‘old’ Dual Core like the G860.
if you have to choose a dual core make it a modern i3-3240
You need at minimum 4 threads. So 2 cores with hyperthreading is minium. Becouse GW2 uses about 3 main threads for its perfomance.

Preferably you need a good 4 core intel with ether the ability to OC ..or a good stock clock speed.

As for AMD ..tbh ..GW2 really doesnt perform well with most AMD’s and even with the ones it does, they are easily out performed by Intel.

GW2 performs just fine with AMD’s.

which one?????

you can’t compare them at all, ones a quad, ones a dual

the dual performs better in dual core optimised situations, the quad performs better where the app can use all 4.

if you found a similar intel chip with 4 cores, it’d dominate the phenom in all quarters.

Phenom will perform better hands down+can be overclocked without trouble. Phenom overclocked performs better than the pentium in single thread apps+it has 4 cores vs 2, it has better cache and is a better chip overall, petiums are for ofice systems. If u go to a higher tier a AMD fx4300 or 6300 are better gaming CPUs than intel i3s or locked multiplier i5s due overclocking capabilities. U can never go wrong with AMD in the budget, unless the electricity bill is an issue :P since intell criple their budget CPUs to make u buy the high end products. A “K” version of an i3 would be awesome for gaming but intel has no intrest in budged gaming producs.

Go with the phenom if your comparing the two you listed. I don’t know why people are going on about duel core is better in this situation or that because the OP asked about guild wars 2 and the two chips listed not i3 or other modern intel or AMD chips.

Get good cooling and overclock that 965 and you should get playable frame rates. WvW will still run like crap in huge zergs but everything else will be good.

Maybe some more opinions ??
Bcs those doesnt clear anything for me

I happen to have the HD6850, 8GB RAM and X4 965BE setup, which I overclock to 3.9GHz using an upgraded cpu fan. I do not keep track of frame rates, but the game plays very smoothly on the default recommended settings that GW2 detects and sets for me. I have had some problems with crashing, but I doubt that is a CPU thing.

If u have only those 2 processors as options get the phenom, it will perform better hands down, if u have more money there are other expensive options, that is pretty much it.

Aba.6419:

Maybe some more opinions ??
Bcs those doesnt clear anything for me

With those two choices the AMD one is better, neither is really ideal. You cannot go any higher?

You don’t need 4 Cores at all. Saddky, 2 cores isn’t quite enough. You’ll be able to go around killing things, doing events and hearts and instances. But big events and WvW will be unplayable.
Normaly I’d suggest the i5 3570k 3.40kGHz ivybridge, it’s really nice and at nie price
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-404-IN

I know this may be over your budget, but an i5-3330 3.00GHz is what you at minimum need, anything lower just runs this game like crap. Your GPU is fine.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-432-IN
I know there a little expensive, but it’s best for price+performance.

If you’ve got a motherboard that can support Socket1155, then try and fork out more money for it. Games seem to be more dependant on CPU these days

Btw, never get an AMD CPU, there just not what they use to be. AMD have really gone to hell on there motherboards and CPU’s of late and there GPU look to soon be following the trend. Stick with Intel, more money but worth it. Stay away from AMD FX Bulldoxer.. any of them!

Look at this CPU chart
and decide for yourself which one you can afford. The higher up you go the better.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
(Single thread performance CPU charts, which gives a decent feel of gaming performance in GW2 since its heavily dependent on so. )

If you look a the top end, its dominated by Intel Core i5/i7/xeon, sprinkled with a few AMD. Yes, AMD is cheaper, but there is a reason they price it so. You get what you pay for as Intel is more expensive.

i5 3330 as mentioned above $223 w/mb.

http://www.portatech.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=73240&O=74751%2C74663&r=p

Should go for the 3570k, (k) ones lets you overclock and there been many sales on it the past week. Frys.com had 3570k + mobo for 189.99, Microcenter and Tigerdirect had cheap sales too. Best one I think was the 2500k for $99 at microcenter.

They are both really terrible, you should wait until you can afford something better. Also I had an intel pentium D and my framerate was about 7, don’t get one please/

Yea like the other poster said your probably better off saving up for a better setup if you do any WvW you will be very sad as the frames on a phenom got down to 12fps in just 30vs30 man fights at 4ghz and forget zergs in stomemist gave me a headache.

I can say the i5 3570k is a really good cpu and you will not be dissapointed in its performance.

Nova.6902:

If you’ve got a motherboard that can support Socket1155, then try and fork out more money for it. Games seem to be more dependant on CPU these days

Btw, never get an AMD CPU, there just not what they use to be. AMD have really gone to hell on there motherboards and CPU’s of late and there GPU look to soon be following the trend. Stick with Intel, more money but worth it. Stay away from AMD FX Bulldoxer.. any of them!

When I built a new PC both for my dad and myself, I built him an intel-based rig with an i5-2500k chip while I stuck with my AMD. I saw no real negative reviews on either at the time, so I thought it might be alright to do a bit of a comparison of the two. Since this game supports multi-threading, the more cores the CPU has the better the game should be able to play. Each rig had 8Gb RAM and the only thing separating the two was just the quality of video card (mine is a 2Gb, his is a 1Gb).

I was surprised to find out that his ran the game just as well as mine could. Both are overclockable as well. I won’t go as far as to say his ran it better, but I’ve been building systems for a while now and I have to say in all honesty this was a very close race. Both systems cost about the same amount to purchase as well, but while I’ve had mine running for ~8 months now I know what it’s like in zergs and missing mobs, etc. both systems succumb to the same beast eventually… lag.

It was a number of years ago that AMD touted itself as being the chip for gamers, while intel was a lot more subdued and the difference was their instruction sets, among other things, for how well they handled gaming. I’m talking about maybe 10 years ago.. and clearly quite a lot has changed since intel brought out their i-series chips.

Based on my testing of AMD’s recent cpus and intel’s Ivy Bridge the “baseline” for being able to run the game on High Settings @ 1080p with decent frame rates (50-70fps) in open world as shown in the video below would be the FX-8350 and/or i5-3570k.

If you are going AMD you must get the FX-8350. If you are overclocking don’t bother it doesn’t make much of a difference in this game. Same goes for intel.

OC’ doesnt make much difference ? You must not have tested WvW then :P Trust me OC makes a ton of difference once you get to the CPU’s bottleneck ..which you wont just doing normal pve.

Yea heavy WvW battle is where overclocking shines the most.

also, if you are comparing purely cpu to cpu, choosing the lowest graphic setting gives more accurate results as the gpu was holding back the cpu a bit in your tests.

I’ve got an I7-2600K, coupled with a GeForce GTX 550ti. In heavy WvW fights I maintain about 55-ish FPS, 60+ FPS in all other situations (to note; I have reflections turned off, and shadow at high – because those just EAT FPS up).

I would definitely recommend using a Core i5+.

Intelliraptor.5328:

They are both really terrible, you should wait until you can afford something better. Also I had an intel pentium D and my framerate was about 7, don’t get one please/

Pentium D (Netburst) is not the same as Pentium Dual Core (Core 2)

Shuyin ir right about overclocking, it dosn’t matter beyond 3.6Ghz, only marginal gains 1-5 FPS here and there, it does matter for lower clocks tho ( 2.4 ghz, laptop CPUs and such). CPU synthetic benchmarks are not comparable to game performance, a CPU may show a increse on benchmarks but none in game since the bottleneck may not be the clock speed. I don’t even Oc my 2600k beyond 4ghz for this game anymore since i realized it makes close to no difference in WvW, even frapsing the fights i have about the same preformace at 4ghz and at 5ghz. As for my phenomII, it does shows some important improvment going from 3.2ghz stock to 4ghz about 15% more frames (it actually performs about 25% slower than the i7 both clocked at 4ghz).
Notice on SHUYIN Video (which is very nice thanks for that btw) the i5 and the FX 8350 are very close in game but in synthetic benchs the i5 is up to 60% faster (cinebench for example).
Game bottleneck could be somewhere else than the processor clocks, could be somewhere on the motherboard, the memory controller (very unlikelly), or the game engine itself, take a look at lineage 2 for example, it is a ancient MMO released in 2005, it used the unreal engine 2, and on heavy PVP battles and in populated towns it performs at 5FPS no matter if u have a pentium 4 or my i7 2600k@5ghz xD, this is a good example of how a game engine can bottleneck ur system no matter how fast it is.

From my experience, overclocking does not yield a significant fps gain in WvW. As Rampage said, after the ~3.6Ghz there are only marginal gains which IMO aren’t worth the extra power consumption, heat build up, and cooling involved.

The main point of the video is to show that the new FX-8350 is able to hold up against the i5. The 8350 is the only AMD cpu I would recommend for being able to play the game @ 60fps (excluding WvW obviously).

Furthermore, when Game Sourcing on Xsplit for streaming @ 720p both the i5 and 8350 drop to ~30fps so both are in the same class of gaming performance with the i5 having the advantage.