Guild Wars 2

Espionage.3685:

CursedShaitan.9720:

ive got a phenom II 965 running at 4.4ghz and terrible fps

Define terrible and in what kind of situations. I have a Phenom II X4 @ 3.4Ghz (unlocked X3), and I get 40-60+ in most PvE situations excluding group events which can drop down to 20-ish I believe, maybe a bit lower, but in any case, I find that pretty reasonable.

I have the same CPU you have and WvWvW is completely unplayable in zerg fights. Interesting to know how you’d get 20 fps….

Phenom’s are old. While you can clock them to 4.0ghz+ (with proper cooling) they do not stand on a leg compared to the FX Series (6300+) or the i5/i7 K Series (unlocked Multipliers).

GW2 is using the same engine that GW1 was using. But there are optimizations in that engine so that newer HD/HQ Graphics can be used with that aging engine. That, inherently, is the root cause of all these issues.

Nothing ‘we’ will/can do is going to fix the issue on our end. We can even throw a super computer at it (64 Logical Cores+) and this game will not run any better then it currently runs on an i5-4670K. Because the Game is still single Threaded, for the Main part of the game. And will only spawn additional secondary threads on up to 5 additional Cores. The 32Bit Address Space is a small small SMALL part of the issue. But the fact that I can run on Ultra, get in a 60+ man zerg ( Even though my FPS will dip down to 12 :-D) and still not break 3.1GB of memory for GW2.exe means that additional memory addressing will not help with GW2 as an application in its current state.

I started GW2 on a Phenom II 830 (OC to 5.2 GHZ) and I would be LUCKY to get 18FPS in WvW under Heavy Zergs. BUT i had to turn off all the CPU bound Options under graphics and down Sample for it to work at 18FPS. Outside of heavy zergs I would get 40-65FPS (85FPS looking at the water or a Wall in a low Clip plane Area).

I upgraded to a i5-4670K (at 3.2Ghz, not OC) Upgraded my RAM to CL7 at 1600mhz, and a couple SSDs (one for the OS and One for games), and upgraded from a HD5770 to a HD7790. I now get a solid 20-25FPS in heavy Zergs, 55-65FPS in LA/Populated areas. and 80-175FPS everywhere else (175FPS in FSG near the Fish Champ Looking into the water and the Mountains, 85FPS looking into the deep Forrest in southern wayfarer Hills). I turn down all CPU Bound Options in the Graphics and run Native Sampling.

BUT I dont see super high results like I see in other games that have better coded engines (Like Skyrim, Diablo3, Shift2, …ect) In some of those games Ill break 200FPS easily on High Settings. But Never do I see that in GW2 anywhere.

And the bigger part of the issue for this game, to fix it will require a completely reworked overhaul of the gaming engine (new Client). Which, with out a good source of income for NCSoft(the owners of Arena Net) isn’t a good business decision at this time. Because there is no monthly subscription. GW2’s only profits are from new game sales and the Gem store(Which can be bought with Gold). And if people stop playing the game over this, that’s just less load on the servers for them to content with.

And if we (as a community, or a class action) were to push them into building a new client (which IS needed at this point) to fix the issues, you are talking YEARS before we see any results.

So, This is my thought on this game as of now. Enjoy the game if its playable for you. If you are going to build a system to be able to play GW2 better, Get an i5 or i7 K series on the Z87 Chipset, and Plan to spend 400~ JUST to play this game as you’d expect.

If its not playable for you, and you cannot afford a better system to get it working correctly for you. Then just walk away. The frustration that NCSoft/Anet is putting on you is not worth your mental health.

Terrible as in sub 20fps, in every situation with more than 4 characters on screen be they players,mobs, npcs. I’m not sure what these people even play when they claim to get 40-60fps in pve. Do they mean leveling and solo world exploration? Sure I get anywhere from 40-120 fps while doing effectively nothing but running from point a to point b.
That doesn’t describe “most” pve.
The majority of end game PVE is dungeons, fractals, world events.
all 3 of these bring me below 20fps and world events often down to 7fps.

I really wanted to play WvW but i’m holding off on as theres no way i’m putting myself in a competitive sphere with under 30fps.

CursedShaitan.9720:

Terrible as in sub 20fps, in every situation with more than 4 characters on screen be they players,mobs, npcs. I’m not sure what these people even play when they claim to get 40-60fps in pve. Do they mean leveling and solo world exploration? Sure I get anywhere from 40-120 fps while doing effectively nothing but running from point a to point b.
That doesn’t describe “most” pve.
The majority of end game PVE is dungeons, fractals, world events.
all 3 of these bring me below 20fps and world events often down to 7fps.

I really wanted to play WvW but i’m holding off on as theres no way i’m putting myself in a competitive sphere with under 30fps.

What are your system specs. This game is heavy on the CPU side of requirements. But you also need a moderate GPU as well for higher resolution rendering.

Edit*
Went through your Post history and found that these are your system specs?
7770s crossfired. Phenom II x4 @4.3ghz and nb-cpu at 2.8ghz custom cooled loop ?

Crossfire doesnt work well with GW2, So I highly suggest disabling that 2nd Card.
CPU-NB on AMD does not like anything higher then 2.6ghz (2.2ghz is ideal to be honest). Infact, some Motherboards start to make EMI on the NB at 2.7Ghz depending on the quality of RAM and the PSU. So, I highly recommend redoing your OC so that your NB and HT are Not higher then 2.6ghz (again, 2.2ghz is really ideal)

So, what about your memory,? What CL Timings, what Speed is your Ram. Is it dual or single, and how many sticks?

Have you verified that your system is being utlized properly while running GW2? Run CPU-Z, GPU-Z(Sensor tab) and CoreTemp to verify voltage, GPU Utilization, and Per Core Multiplier&Clock. And use CPu-Z to verify that your GPU are actually in 16x/16x or 8x/8x(Depending on PCI-E Configuration of your Motherboard, not all have dual 16x Lanes).

And lastly, your HDD/SSD configuration. How new are your HDD/SSD’s. Have you tested them for performance (IOMeter, HDtune/Crystal Disk for SMART data…ect)?

i think people really tend to over play the age on phenom IIs.
My last system had an 8350 before I sold it to cover my moronic roomates space heaterbill. I still had my old phenom II and built my new system around it and have noticed pretty much 0 difference in pretty much every game out this year. My friends stilling running his 8320 and honestly doesn’t experience much better game play in most scenarios and the ones that really crush my system to 10 fps still nail his below 20. I’ve got money stashed aside for a new AMD chip / mobo once they start releasing steamroller based chips. I’ve got no issue spending 400+ dollars to get the game where I want it but I take issue knowing spending that amount currently won’t get me there with out switching to a company i’ve boycotted for years over their scummy business practices(great products don’t make a company worth my money if they do evil things with that money)

Win 7 patch fo FX
FX 6300 4,5Ghz
I get 33+ in LA and still GPU bottleneck.
MY setting
All on max
shader : off
shadows : off
Character limit : low

Yeap go for APU- steamroller but iGPU will be your bottleneck

I’m using a phenom II x4 Clock Speed okittenhz, CPU-NB at 2600mhz ( stock of 2000 is a huge bottleneck for phenom IIs even at stock speeds. I get more fps out of those 600mhz than I get out of the 1ghz tacked on to my clock speed)

I’m using 2 7770s in crossfire, my motherboard has 4 x16 pci-e lanes
I’m using two of them and they register as running at x16.

8gb of ram, 1tb HDD recently formatted, Windows 8.1 x64

why did it bleep 4.4 ghz…….

CursedShaitan.9720:

i think people really tend to over play the age on phenom IIs.
My last system had an 8350 before I sold it to cover my moronic roomates space heaterbill. I still had my old phenom II and built my new system around it and have noticed pretty much 0 difference in pretty much every game out this year. My friends stilling running his 8320 and honestly doesn’t experience much better game play in most scenarios and the ones that really crush my system to 10 fps still nail his below 20. I’ve got money stashed aside for a new AMD chip / mobo once they start releasing steamroller based chips. I’ve got no issue spending 400+ dollars to get the game where I want it but I take issue knowing spending that amount currently won’t get me there with out switching to a company i’ve boycotted for years over their scummy business practices(great products don’t make a company worth my money if they do evil things with that money)

I Agree with you to a point. But, The Phenom’s are still old and the higher quality PhenomII (X6, Blacks..ect) are aging. The newer games and applications are taking advantage of alot of the newer features found in the FX and Ivy series CPUs now. better optimization and performance all around.

AMD loses to Intel on single threaded performance
Intel loses to AMD to Multi-threaded performance
Intel loses to AMD over Costs vs Performance for the 6 and 8 Core CPUs

Most applications are still built with a single thread in mind, because its easier and faster to get a finished product out. This is why the ‘world’ more over favors Intel over AMD.

Each CPU Manuf. covers a certain Niche that the other fails in. We can beat this dead horse, Intel vs AMD, all over again if you want. But that is NOT the issue here with GW2.

The issue is that you need to throw massive hardware at this broken game to get a Fraction of the performance needed to enjoy the intense action of WvW, and Zerged world Boss Fights.

And the fact that GW2 is a main single thread (several secondary threads) means that this game is going to out right favor Intel over AMD until that little fact is fixed.

I wouldn’t be using an igpu as i have two dedicated gpus.
I’m presuming the whole reason amd is dropping the fx line is the kevari apus with the igpu disabled can out perform the current line up.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

Win 7 patch fo FX
FX 6300 4,5Ghz
I get 33+ in LA and still GPU bottleneck.
MY setting
All on max
shader : off
shadows : off
Character limit : low

Yeap go for APU- steamroller but iGPU will be your bottleneck

If your GPU is bottle necking you, then upgrade it. GPU-Z will tell you what % the GPU is being used. You want 99%, but at Max Settings. If you turn off all the Shaders, Shadows and such, can you get your GPU to drop down in the 60% range?

GW2 use 3 core up to 90-95% so that actually good… But i would like to see all six cores at 85-90% that would be perfect… But it is not going to happen.

http://postimg.org/image/nyinssmup/

that FPS are really good…

CursedShaitan.9720:

I’m using a phenom II x4 Clock Speed okittenhz, CPU-NB at 2600mhz ( stock of 2000 is a huge bottleneck for phenom IIs even at stock speeds. I get more fps out of those 600mhz than I get out of the 1ghz tacked on to my clock speed)

I’m using 2 7770s in crossfire, my motherboard has 4 x16 pci-e lanes
I’m using two of them and they register as running at x16.

8gb of ram, 1tb HDD recently formatted, Windows 8.1 x64

Have you tested your HDD to make sure its up to par?
And have you tested with Cross Fire Disabled?

Srsly though, if arena net was just like. "Yeah we predicted wrong, made and oversight and now we’ve got a big task ahead of us splitting the main thread in half or more pieces. Don’t expect anything to come in the next 6-9 months months but trust us we’re concerned that all the hard effort we put into this game is going to waste because people are having a hard time experiencing it as intended. "

i’d be happy enough. Just to know its a priority. I don’t want to invest time into a game thats never going to get better.

CursedShaitan.9720:

Srsly though, if arena net was just like. "Yeah we predicted wrong, made and oversight and now we’ve got a big task ahead of us splitting the main thread in half or more pieces. Don’t expect anything to come in the next 6-9 months months but trust us we’re concerned that all the hard effort we put into this game is going to waste because people are having a hard time experiencing it as intended. "

i’d be happy enough. Just to know its a priority. I don’t want to invest time into a game thats never going to get better.

hah! You and me both. If we all had acknowledgement from them that they understand about the performance and how BAD it really is. And they road-mapped changes/fixes and actually followed that approach, that would probably quiet this thread, and others like it, down considerably.

I’ve tried with crossfire disabled and get a 5fps drop. My hdd read/write times are fine. I’ve got a solid state drive coming in the mail though. Anyone had any luck with an add in sound card. I rememer the creative xfi was supposed to save cpu cycles and no one cared because “cpu’s aren’t a bottle neck”. Anyone used an x-fi and seen any performance improvements?

CursedShaitan.9720:

I’ve tried with crossfire disabled and get a 5fps drop. My hdd read/write times are fine. I’ve got a solid state drive coming in the mail though. Anyone had any luck with an add in sound card. I rememer the creative xfi was supposed to save cpu cycles and no one cared because “cpu’s aren’t a bottle neck”. Anyone used an x-fi and seen any performance improvements?

I have not used an addon sound card since SB5.1 days. And infact there have been reports that the XFI causes Black screens and other bugs in this game currently.

Have you tried by Removing the 2nd GPU from your system?

and how did you test your HDD? IOMeter is really the only suitable IOPS/MBps Read/Write test for HDD’s and SSD’s.

Disable your second GPU in AMD catalyst
Pls dont believe everyone…
http://postimg.org/image/esl17cm6p/
I did that picture
You see fx 4,5GHz 50 FPS? U crazy?
real fps are 20-25… even drops to 18-19

sirsquishy.8531:

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

Win 7 patch fo FX
FX 6300 4,5Ghz
I get 33+ in LA and still GPU bottleneck.
MY setting
All on max
shader : off
shadows : off
Character limit : low

Yeap go for APU- steamroller but iGPU will be your bottleneck

If your GPU is bottle necking you, then upgrade it. GPU-Z will tell you what % the GPU is being used. You want 99%, but at Max Settings. If you turn off all the Shaders, Shadows and such, can you get your GPU to drop down in the 60% range?

It is GPU bottleneck
When i lower my resolution my FPS goes UP. GPu usage 95-99% so thats not bottleneck?

5870 900/1250 stock voltages is not that strong to run that game at max. Shadows and shaders kills it…

My FPS are form 27-40 but when i lower my resolution 33-57….

removing gpu gives same effect. I still get better frame rates with crossfire. I’m pretty sure the instance where crossfire has negative impact is when a single card is sufficient to max out the settings and not be a bottleneck. If the card can do the job by itself then it will perform better by itself rather than forcing it to split the work load and introducing communication overhead. If your card can’t keep up on its own though it will benefit from the additional horsepower.