Guild Wars 2

hey,
Im going to get new rig in few days and i’ve been wondering which one to take

Either i3-3220 @ 3,3GHZ Ivy brige can’t oc it much maybe max to 3,5GHZ
or
FX-4100 Bulldozer series @ 3,6GHZ easily oc’d on box coolin to 4,4-4,6GHZ

How do You think ?

I will say i3-3220.
Intel chip will give you better performance
However, you will need a discrete card

If you want to overclock? Third Option?
Amd trinity A10-5800K is nice
buy 1866 ram
you can play medium to high without graphic card

Are u sure about that a10-5800k ?

I would go for the i3 if you’re considering those two chips. The Bulldozer architecture isn’t the best, and the game seems slanted toward intel performance anyway. (I have the FX-4100 oc’d to 4.0Ghz)

However:
The new AMD Piledriver architecture (ex: FX-8350) is pretty good from the reviews that are out, and very well priced. You can get one for under $200 (if you can find them), and they compete with mid/higher-end i7’s. I haven’t found a place you can buy them, but I’m sure someone is stocking them.

Mrowqa.3861:

Are u sure about that a10-5800k ?

Single threaded cpu performance if better than bulldozer.
The only other chip on the AM3+ motherboard is Vishera which is pretty much bad
and not worth the price. They might change motherboard soon.

Amd trinity A10-5800K has about as much cpu power as i3 3220, but due to the architecture float point arithmetic is little lacking. I am only suggesting because bulldozer is a bad chip. AMD should be commited for the FM2 socket.

I am only suggesting it to save money.

well i was wondering mainly about Oc’ing.

As for now i don’t want any i5-2500k which cost fortune for my pockets.

So was wondering about that i3-3220 and now vs that a10-5800.

tho never had a amd cpu so im kinda worried. I still gotta buy DDR3 + motherboard to exchange full platform.

So it’s either i3 with 1155 soc moth with almost no oc,
or a10-5800k with oc
not sure which one will preform etter in GW2 and games like Tom clancys ghost recon etc

I would not buy an AMD processor again that is not the new Piledriver architecture. Bulldozer has a whole slew of issues and failings.

Yes, they’re very overclockable, but they will lag behind anyway. Overclock.net should give you some insight into the overclocking ability of the i3 CPUs.

Mrowqa.3861:

well i was wondering mainly about Oc’ing.

As for now i don’t want any i5-2500k which cost fortune for my pockets.

So was wondering about that i3-3220 and now vs that a10-5800.

tho never had a amd cpu so im kinda worried. I still gotta buy DDR3 + motherboard to exchange full platform.

So it’s either i3 with 1155 soc moth with almost no oc,
or a10-5800k with oc
not sure which one will preform etter in GW2 and games like Tom clancys ghost recon etc

Most games are not cpu bottleneck. It irritates me because I want better AI
I have the amd trinity chip. I only have like two games gw2 and overgrowth. I do not play lots of games.

I can find and run synthetic benchmarks for you

System Windows 8 64 bit
Ram ddr3-1866 Timing 9-10-9-27

I havnt overclock it yet
Running idle under 30 degree with Hyper master 212 EVO

Piledriver is only basically a fix to bulldozer architecture. It not much improvement but it still better than bulldozer

loseridoit and what fps You get at GW2 with that cpu ?

Personaly i would go with Intel.

The 1155 chipset includes the i5’s so you could potentialy upgrade in the future to intel chip that is MUCH better at OC’ing.

Where as if you go AMD …well even if you upgrade later chances are it will still be behind Intel. i feel for AMD tbh ..they havnt been doing very well for the past few years.

Mrowqa.3861:

loseridoit and what fps You get at GW2 with that cpu ?

I depends on the moment. It will be cpu bottleneck nevertheless. I am laying med-high. I normally get around 30-40 fps on 1280-1024 resolution. Note: I like my monitor and I like looking at the sky.

I will screen any particular moment if your wish to help on an settings. Right not I am in Lion Arch and I am only getting around 20 fps on my custom settings. I will post it.
Note: I am only using the APU.

Here is an screen shot at Lion Arch during the halloween event. I am horrible cpu bottleneck. Especially at that lion statue. It will be less at least 5 fps less due to turning graphic etc

I might agree with Solar Nova. It might be better to go intel if you want performance in the future

This game is really kitten.

On my laptop with i5-2410M at 2,3-2,7T GHZ with GTZ 540M ( which is probably at same level as the 7660D from A10 ) im getting around 40-50 fps at this point…
gonna do ss and post it here

well
I ain’t get that 40 fps as usual due to massive amount of ppl tho im playing on bit higher options then you :
[IMG]http://www.imgshare.pl/view.php?id=ABAZ[/IMG]

Yea it is pretty bad. The Halloween patch made things worse. I might try to overclock it to take a look.

OC +.100 Ghz only adds one extra frame

Turning off V sync add another frame

There are more people on the field so fps is lower

Hello, I have built Intel and AMD systems, and I love supporting AMD because they are the underdog. I have a FX-8150 8 core which does poorly in my opionion on GW2. A friend who has a PHENOM X4 960T smokes my 8 core in GW2 and most other games.
I like AMD, but the FX line is not a great gaming choice. I thinking about selling my FX chip and getting a Phenom X4 965 as a replacement.

My FX-8150 with ATI 5870 and 16gb ram….. Best Appearance 50-80fps
Friends X4 960T, 16gb Ram, HD6870 ..Best Appearance 80-110fps.
The 5870 is stronger than the 6870 due to new gpu scaling by AMD.
See my problem.

I would not recommend FX line of CPU for gaming.
Benchmarks show good results for AMD A8 or A10 APU’s and Intel i3 or i5 CPU’s
Like others have said…. If you go A8 or A10 the on chip graphic are descent for what you get. If you go Intel i3 you need a seperate video card and intel graphics are a dismal no matter what fanboys tell you.

If you have the cash, go i3 with about 8gb of ram and separate video card.
If your on a budget the A10 would be a good choice with 8gb ram and try the on chip graphics, I haven’t tried it, but it’s supposedly not disappointing, but you can alway get a good A-Series Motherboard that supports SLI-Crossfire and add video cards at a later time.

You need an FM1 board for Llano CPU’s or an FM2 Board for Trinity CPU’s. Also if you buy A-Series CPU’s with on chip graphics, I am told the graphics are very dependent on ram speed, so buy DDR3-1866mhz as a minimum speed in my opinion.

Has anyone tested the new piledriver chips On this game they came out this week?

what gpu are you going to use? the i3 is definately the choice if you are going to spend $100 or more on a gpu but if you aren’t doing that, the A10 5800k will play this game decently well without a graphics card.

My suggestion is the A10-5800k with dual graphics. It will run you around $200 and get you a nice budget performance computer.

Keep in mind black friday is coming up soon. I would definitely wait on black friday sales before making your purchase just so you can see what all is on sale and you might get an incredible deal.

Buying an intel chip is worth the money because not only are they faster, they also consume less power than AMD chips which will save energy and make up for the CPU price easily if you use your PC a lot.

@Antiriad
Actually there nearly the same, most CPUs today use anywhere from 95Watts to 130Watts, usually the 130Watt CPU’s are the K or BE versions Unlocked CPUs which allow for better OCing etc, then you have the 95Watt CPU’s with are usually for normal desktops etc and are usually not OCed as there limited on that end. Also need to keep in mind that the smaller the .nm the less power is needed so comparing a .22nm chip to a .32nm chip isn’t the same as comparing chips with the same .nm cause ofc the smaller .nm chip is going to use less power to geto the same clock as the chip with a higher .nm. I hope this made sense to those that read it lols.

The A10 5800K is a bloody good chip for its price ~$125, I built a system last week with that chip and it does the job for most things and can run most games at med-high settings (tested Planetside 2 and Battlefield 3 on it), but there are some limitations to the APU such as up to only 4 cores unless AMD focuses on the platform like an APU without an IGP for added cache or cores. A10 5800K with a HD7850 can rip through most games, not sure about CPU intensive games (like GW2 is under heavy traffic). With each patch, the game seems to perform worse and worse on my current system, I don’t see how an 8350 will change that since there’s even i5 users with some trouble.

I wouldn’t even consider the FX 4100/4200/4300 as the performce on that series is worse than even the older Phenom II’s, the 6300 is as low as I’d go besides the A10 5800K. Heck the A8 5600K is also good ($100 for A8 5600K + $60-70 for a low end FM2 mobo + $35 for 8GB DDR3 1866)

AM3+ has passed its limits, there won’t be DDR4 support for it and no chance of PCI-E 3.0, USB 3.0 (some boards has its own separate USB controller), etc. FM2 has a future.

Teknobug.3782:

The A10 5800K is a bloody good chip for its price ~$125, I built a system last week with that chip and it does the job for most things and can run most games at med-high settings (tested Planetside 2 and Battlefield 3 on it), but there are some limitations to the APU such as up to only 4 cores unless AMD focuses on the platform like an APU without an IGP for added cache or cores. A10 5800K with a HD7850 can rip through most games, not sure about CPU intensive games (like GW2 is under heavy traffic). With each patch, the game seems to perform worse and worse on my current system, I don’t see how an 8350 will change that since there’s even i5 users with some trouble.

I wouldn’t even consider the FX 4100/4200/4300 as the performce on that series is worse than even the older Phenom II’s, the 6300 is as low as I’d go besides the A10 5800K. Heck the A8 5600K is also good ($100 for A8 5600K + $60-70 for a low end FM2 mobo + $35 for 8GB DDR3 1866)

AM3+ has passed its limits, there won’t be DDR4 support for it and no chance of PCI-E 3.0, USB 3.0 (some boards has its own separate USB controller), etc. FM2 has a future.

Most games but not this one! I would take the i3 3220 and a 7850 GPU and out perform the AMD in this game.