I have AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.80Ghz CPU, NVidia GTX 470 GPU and 8 Gb DDR. I hadn’t problems with perfomance since the server starting, but last 3-4 months it’s very horrible, especially on WvW (about 3-5 FPS). I have some freezes even when I rotate camera when running or jumping (it falls from 50-60 to 15 FPS).
I have already written tickets to support and together we try many different things and check my drivers, hardware and many others. Nothing helped. At the end I make “format C” and reinstall Windows, but that didn’t help too.
I’ve compared my computer with my friend’s, he has more weaker configuration except CPU. His CPU is Intel Core i5 2500 @ 3.30GHz, and mine AMD Phenom II X6 1050T. And he play in WvW with best graphic. I’m sure, that my CPU is the reason why I have so bad FPS.
And I want to know, does ArenaNet planing to optimise the game for AMD-processors too, or it will work well only for Intel in near future?
U see, the AMD cpu’s are all underperforming by far compared to the higher-end intel cpu’s. I my zelf have a AMD Phenom II X6 1090T 3.8 ghz (overclocked) and a AMD radeon HD 6870 1GB ghz edition and im still running 28 fps populated cities, 40 fps on the pve areas and 20 fps wvw. so your fps is kinda spot on. srry to say but I think u might need a cpu upgrade. (just as I do )
Eh, I have an i7 2860QM and lately I’ve been getting weird issues in this game as well. I’ll be running around at 50-60 FPS (limited at 60 due to refresh rate) and then for like 4 seconds it’ll just turn into a slideshow. Just now I was fighting the giant at Nageling and near every time he went to pick up a rock or punch the ground, it would happen. Mostly in sync with the animation, sometimes slightly before. It also just happens running around zones, where I can’t establish any particular pattern.
Anyway, I wouldn’t go changing your CPU over it, especially if you’re getting 50-60 the rest of the time. I never had this problem in the first few months after release, on the same hardware, and it seems to be some random thing screwed up with the game.
This isnt do with with GW2 not be optimized for AMD specificaly.
Its simply down to GW2 being unoptimized in general and running of single thread performance. As such CPU’s with strong single thread performance will do better than those with weak single thread performance. Hence Intel over AMD. http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
AMD do great CPU’s ..but there is ALWAYS a price to pay for going for the cheaper option…always.
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Those applications are multi-threaded and optimized to harness the potential of additional cores.
GW2 rely heavily on single thread processing power and INTEL excels in this category over AMD.
See Part 4.2 – 4.8 here to understand more in detail. See 4.11 to learn what the devs has commented on regarding optimization.
Yes this is true, but a 100% performance increase shows there is a problem. My friend has a i7 950 with a Geforce 470, I have a Amd FX 8350 with a Radeon 6970. My friend has literally double the fps I have in most given situations.
For example if I have 40, my friend will have 80-100+. Interesting enough in skyrim, my cpu outperforms his. But not by much. So its understandable if a competitive intel cpu is 20% faster than its amd counter part in most given situations. But here we have the counter parts being 100%+ faster.
This doesn’t even happen in skyrim, wow, civilization 5 or sc2. The only other game it seems to happen in is Assassin Creed 3:
Those applications are multi-threaded and optimized to harness the potential of additional cores.
GW2 rely heavily on single thread processing power and INTEL excels in this category over AMD.
See Part 4.2 – 4.8 here to understand more in detail. See 4.11 to learn what the devs has commented on regarding optimization.
Yes this is true, but a 100% performance increase shows there is a problem. My friend has a i7 950 with a Geforce 470, I have a Amd FX 8350 with a Radeon 6970. My friend has literally double the fps I have in most given situations.
For example if I have 40, my friend will have 80-100+. Interesting enough in skyrim, my cpu outperforms his. But not by much. So its understandable if a competitive intel cpu is 20% faster than its amd counter part in most given situations. But here we have the counter parts being 100%+ faster.
This doesn’t even happen in skyrim, wow, civilization 5 or sc2. The only other game it seems to happen in is Assassin Creed 3:
That is totally false if u friend double ur FPS must be because a different issue. As u can see that video proves intels is 30% faster at it’s best
That is also an IVY bridge CPU which is WAAAAAAAY faster than ur friend’s first gen i7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8_dh4b0jL8
I would say ur processor is as fast as a first gen i7 in single thread performance aka GW2, so if u are not getting the same performance he does u have a serious issue with ur PC, don’t blame ur processor. If u think upgrading to a brand new intel processor will give u stable 60+ FPS u are wrong, it will gove u most likelly 30-40% more frames, do the math yourself and see how many FPS would u get. but stable 60+ FPS not gonna happen even using a 1000$ intel CPU not even stable 40+FPS, that is just imposible due game poor general performance.
And to the OP, nothing has changed performance wise in this game latelly so if u were getting better performance at the beggining there must be a problem with ur system. I dont even get 5 FPS in WvW using my APU laptop LOL so to me is very unlikelly the CPU is the reasson u get 5FPS in WvW.
There could be many reassons for choppy performance, memory problem, spyware, u runnig crap on the background, CPU/GPU overheating, this game is very sensitive, which means a ram issue may be unnoticed in any game but here will take ur FPS from 60 to 30 easy, ur videocard plugged in in the wrong slot would be unoticed in any other game but here will grant u sub 20 FPS performance, stuff like that. Pretty much u have to keep ur PC optmized all the time running monitoring tools to make sure everything is working properlly. U can’t just say “BAD FPS, is my CPU”, ue CPU is slow but there also many other things that will grant u crappy performance in this game.
briefly: overclocked system Phenom II X4 960t (zosma) to 4.09 ghz and have a 6970 videocard. My performance is quite good when im alone and not facing any action then it is over 100 fps (112) , when im at something like lions arch and overflow my fps is about 40 fps
If you have problems with frames per second in general what you want to do is 2 things. read about the general performance about your cpu and if it does not work that well for you the only thing left is get a new HD or create a seperate partition and test if the same happens. To many times the problem lies in cluttered windows or bad installed videodrivers
Example I’ll give you my card doesnt work well with pre 13.2 videodrivers.
Your machine is not that bad but GW2 doesn’t put out enough threads (very poorly written parallel code) to make a dent.
Try and force GW2 to use only 4 cores (task manager).
Phenom 2 is an old processor. You can’t expect to get really awesome performance out of an old core 2 duo either…
The new Piledriver cored processors are far better than the previous Bulldozer cored ones. They’re “almost” to the level of an i7 now. I just upgraded from a FX-4100 (bulldozer) (oc’d to 4.2ghz) to an FX-8350 (piledriver) at 4.2Ghz, and my performance more than doubled in most places. Yes, there are more cores, but the FX-8100 (bulldozer) performed pretty much the same as the FX-4100 in GW2.
Whatever they changed with the upgraded “architecture,” it definitely made a vast improvement.
I still wouldn’t put it up against an i7…but it costs like half as much and I’m willing to sacrifice a bit for that.
So far i have to say i have yet to find a good video of som1 testing AMD vs Intel on GW2 without kittening up their methodology.
The one linked above is ok but like others i have seen the guy doesnt use the same paths to test fps.
The best and most demanding place in LA i find is the north way point zoomed out looking towards the mystic forge. If he had simple loaded up with the exact same view and compared FPS that would have said it all really.
But instead he runs around heading out of LA for one CPU.. then loads up heading in for the other ..thats 2 different paths with different loads to render.. which cannot be used as a accurate comparison.
Not to mention it wasnt clock for clock, granted it was a stock test but both CPU’s can reach the same clocks. A better coparison would have been a 4ghz OC on the Intel with the 4ghz clock on the AMD ..or a 4.3ghz clock on both ..somthing easy to do.
2 comps same rigs different CPU’s ..same settings stock. played together at the same time by 2 people. Difference is shown much better here BUT its still nto perfect imo.
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Phenom 2 is an old processor. You can’t expect to get really awesome performance out of an old core 2 duo either…
The new Piledriver cored processors are far better than the previous Bulldozer cored ones. They’re “almost” to the level of an i7 now. I just upgraded from a FX-4100 (bulldozer) (oc’d to 4.2ghz) to an FX-8350 (piledriver) at 4.2Ghz, and my performance more than doubled in most places. Yes, there are more cores, but the FX-8100 (bulldozer) performed pretty much the same as the FX-4100 in GW2.
Whatever they changed with the upgraded “architecture,” it definitely made a vast improvement.
I still wouldn’t put it up against an i7…but it costs like half as much and I’m willing to sacrifice a bit for that.
Sadly the Phenom II is rather good and only the current Vishera lineup beats it barely in single thread performance. The performance issues are software rather then hardware.
Those applications are multi-threaded and optimized to harness the potential of additional cores.
GW2 rely heavily on single thread processing power and INTEL excels in this category over AMD.
See Part 4.2 – 4.8 here to understand more in detail. See 4.11 to learn what the devs has commented on regarding optimization.
Yes this is true, but a 100% performance increase shows there is a problem. My friend has a i7 950 with a Geforce 470, I have a Amd FX 8350 with a Radeon 6970. My friend has literally double the fps I have in most given situations.
For example if I have 40, my friend will have 80-100+. Interesting enough in skyrim, my cpu outperforms his. But not by much. So its understandable if a competitive intel cpu is 20% faster than its amd counter part in most given situations. But here we have the counter parts being 100%+ faster.
This doesn’t even happen in skyrim, wow, civilization 5 or sc2. The only other game it seems to happen in is Assassin Creed 3:
That is totally false if u friend double ur FPS must be because a different issue. As u can see that video proves intels is 30% faster at it’s best
That is also an IVY bridge CPU which is WAAAAAAAY faster than ur friend’s first gen i7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8_dh4b0jL8
I would say ur processor is as fast as a first gen i7 in single thread performance aka GW2, so if u are not getting the same performance he does u have a serious issue with ur PC, don’t blame ur processor. If u think upgrading to a brand new intel processor will give u stable 60+ FPS u are wrong, it will gove u most likelly 30-40% more frames, do the math yourself and see how many FPS would u get. but stable 60+ FPS not gonna happen even using a 1000$ intel CPU not even stable 40+FPS, that is just imposible due game poor general performance.
Its double the fps. And yes its quite strange. And its also a bit insulting that you are trying to suggest the problem is on my end. I build pcs man. All game perform well, even the cpu intensive ones such as civilization v etc. Those games my cpu beats his in. But not in gw2.
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So far i have to say i have yet to find a good video of som1 testing AMD vs Intel on GW2 without kittening up their methodology.
The one linked above is ok but like others i have seen the guy doesnt use the same paths to test fps.
The best and most demanding place in LA i find is the north way point zoomed out looking towards the mystic forge. If he had simple loaded up with the exact same view and compared FPS that would have said it all really.
But instead he runs around heading out of LA for one CPU.. then loads up heading in for the other ..thats 2 different paths with different loads to render.. which cannot be used as a accurate comparison.
Not to mention it wasnt clock for clock, granted it was a stock test but both CPU’s can reach the same clocks. A better coparison would have been a 4ghz OC on the Intel with the 4ghz clock on the AMD ..or a 4.3ghz clock on both ..somthing easy to do.
True but it is still a valid gameplay comparison, he was running arround turning the camera, which is the most demoanding thing atm due shadows and reflactions having huge impact while doing so, the point is u can see the minimum peaks u would expect with each processor. Sure absolute minimums with intel will be higher but only 5-10 FPS better in WvW it won’t be a 100% better that is for sure, only 30% or so which means AMD@15FPS=intel@20FPS, AMD@30FPS=Intel@40FPS based on experience.
Phenom 2 is an old processor. You can’t expect to get really awesome performance out of an old core 2 duo either…
The new Piledriver cored processors are far better than the previous Bulldozer cored ones. They’re “almost” to the level of an i7 now. I just upgraded from a FX-4100 (bulldozer) (oc’d to 4.2ghz) to an FX-8350 (piledriver) at 4.2Ghz, and my performance more than doubled in most places. Yes, there are more cores, but the FX-8100 (bulldozer) performed pretty much the same as the FX-4100 in GW2.
Whatever they changed with the upgraded “architecture,” it definitely made a vast improvement.
I still wouldn’t put it up against an i7…but it costs like half as much and I’m willing to sacrifice a bit for that.
Sadly the Phenom II is rather good and only the current Vishera lineup beats it barely in single thread performance. The performance issues are software rather then hardware.
Yeah, i don’t doubt that the performance issues are mostly with GW2….
Updated my post a bit late but anyway ill post again.
I found these relativly new benchmarks. The methodology is better imo. I mean its not perfect but perfection is almost impossible in a gaming environment ..specialy a mmo ..things always change.
2 comps same rigs different CPU’s ..same settings stock. played together at the same time by 2 people. Difference is shown much better here BUT its still nto perfect imo.
Its double the fps. And yes its quite strange. And its also a bit insulting that you are trying to suggest the problem is on my end. I build pcs man. All game perform well, even the cpu intensive ones such as civilization v etc. Those games my cpu beats his in. But not in gw2.
Again take a look at the video think it is an 3570k which is 25-30% faster clock per clock than any first gen i7, then think for a second, read some stuff in wikipedia like how a program give instuctions to a processor, what instructions per cycle means, that kind of stuff and then post. Not trying to insult u just showing u the truth i have a i7 2600k myself and a phenomII x6 and the i7 don-t come any close to doble the phemom performance enven clocked 700mhz higher so there is no way in hell, a first gen i7 double the performance of a fx 3850, there must be something wrong in ur end, if u don-t believe my words just watch the video dude.
Updated my post a bit late but anyway ill post again.
I found these relativly new benchmarks. The methodology is better imo. I mean its not perfect but perfection is almost impossible in a gaming environment ..specialy a mmo ..things always change.
2 comps same rigs different CPU’s ..same settings stock. played together at the same time by 2 people. Difference is shown much better here BUT its still nto perfect imo.
They ran the game in winXP compatibility which is very bad for multithreading, that is why the scren stutters like that while doing PVE lol. WinXP compatibility is the worst case scenario for a FX cpu, i think they did it on purpose since they are clearlly intel fanboys.
But yeah i think it could be a valid comparison for those ppl using winXP and 2012 CPUs.
Its double the fps. And yes its quite strange. And its also a bit insulting that you are trying to suggest the problem is on my end. I build pcs man. All game perform well, even the cpu intensive ones such as civilization v etc. Those games my cpu beats his in. But not in gw2.
Again take a look at the video think it is an 3570k which is 25-30% faster clock per clock than any first gen i7, then think for a second, read some stuff in wikipedia like how a program give instuctions to a processor, what instructions per cycle means, that kind of stuff and then post. Not trying to insult u just showing u the truth i have a i7 2600k myself and a phenomII x6 and the i7 don-t come any close to doble the phemom performance enven clocked 700mhz higher so there is no way in hell, a first gen i7 double the performance of a fx 3850, there must be something wrong in ur end, if u don-t believe my words just watch the video dude.
Oh man, I know what you mean by instructions per cycle. And I’ve already seen that video. And like I said, the i7 950 with geforce 470 is getting 2x my fps in many circumstances. And this isn’t coming from a perspective of a person ignorant of computer tech, just to let you know that.
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Its double the fps. And yes its quite strange. And its also a bit insulting that you are trying to suggest the problem is on my end. I build pcs man. All game perform well, even the cpu intensive ones such as civilization v etc. Those games my cpu beats his in. But not in gw2.
Again take a look at the video think it is an 3570k which is 25-30% faster clock per clock than any first gen i7, then think for a second, read some stuff in wikipedia like how a program give instuctions to a processor, what instructions per cycle means, that kind of stuff and then post. Not trying to insult u just showing u the truth i have a i7 2600k myself and a phenomII x6 and the i7 don-t come any close to doble the phemom performance enven clocked 700mhz higher so there is no way in hell, a first gen i7 double the performance of a fx 3850, there must be something wrong in ur end, if u don-t believe my words just watch the video dude.
Oh man, I know what you mean by instructions per cycle. And I’ve already seen that video. And like I said, the i7 950 with geforce 470 is getting 2x my fps in many circumstances. And this isn’t coming from a perspective of a person ignorant of computer tech, just to let you know that.
Again not trying to insult u telling u are ignorant by any means, only pointing out the ur CPU is a fast as any first gen i7 in this game. If u are getting any different results there must be something wrong with ur system that is all. The game is sensitive to many things like memory, Chispet problems, PCI bus speeds, latency, so there can be plenity of stuff compromising ur performance besides the CPU itself, things that other games/programs will just ignore. I have also good knowleadge about computer hardware, the first computer i built was a intel 486, back in the early 90s, i also own both platforms so i can tell u for sure, u are wrong, may be because my systems are highlly tweaked, don’t really know but i just wish my i7 had double performance than my AMD so i could play WvW at playable rates all the time.
Its double the fps. And yes its quite strange. And its also a bit insulting that you are trying to suggest the problem is on my end. I build pcs man. All game perform well, even the cpu intensive ones such as civilization v etc. Those games my cpu beats his in. But not in gw2.
Again take a look at the video think it is an 3570k which is 25-30% faster clock per clock than any first gen i7, then think for a second, read some stuff in wikipedia like how a program give instuctions to a processor, what instructions per cycle means, that kind of stuff and then post. Not trying to insult u just showing u the truth i have a i7 2600k myself and a phenomII x6 and the i7 don-t come any close to doble the phemom performance enven clocked 700mhz higher so there is no way in hell, a first gen i7 double the performance of a fx 3850, there must be something wrong in ur end, if u don-t believe my words just watch the video dude.
Oh man, I know what you mean by instructions per cycle. And I’ve already seen that video. And like I said, the i7 950 with geforce 470 is getting 2x my fps in many circumstances. And this isn’t coming from a perspective of a person ignorant of computer tech, just to let you know that.
Again not trying to insult u telling u are ignorant by any means, only pointing out the ur CPU is a fast as any first gen i7 in this game. If u are getting any different results there must be something wrong with ur system that is all. The game is sensitive to many things like memory, Chispet problems, PCI bus speeds, latency, so there can be plenity of stuff compromising ur performance besides the CPU itself, things that other games/programs will just ignore. I have also good knowleadge about computer hardware, the first computer i built was a intel 486, back in the early 90s, i also own both platforms so i can tell u for sure, u are wrong, may be because my systems are highlly tweaked, don’t really know but i just wish my i7 had double performance than my AMD so i could play WvW at playable rates all the time.
My 3dmark 11 score is around 6000, that is normal for this setup. I don’t know why you want to debate with me about what I’m saying. I have no reason to exaggerate what so ever, what would I gain from it? But like I said, I’m telling you in most cases the fps is doubled.
And yea all of my other specs are fine, pcie slot is running at x16 etc etc. Everything is NORMAL. In fact, like I told you my setup will outperform his in other cpu intensive games EXCEPT gw2.
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I cannot comment on the performance of the AMD CPUs in this game as I just got my FX-8350 and haven’t been able to test it in GW2 due to the login error we are fed with right now. What I have noticed was horrible performance to begin with comparing with my old i7 920.
Even 3dmark was questioning the performance of the CPU cause it was lower than what was average for it. I then found out that by default my sabertooth fx990 board had a lot of power saving features enable which was killing or worsening the performance I would get.
Its really silly if you ask me and I was furious at first when it didn’t perform as I expected. How would a common Jack with no knowledge what to look for be able to fix something so stupid as this?
I would take a look in your bios for anything controlling core performance and those C states, if its something you feel safe about doing. I haven’t been on an AMD platform since Duron so im sure theres plenty ive missed but I think this is a good place to start.
Well a ‘comon jack’ with little computer knowledge would likely buy a prebuilt and preconfigured PC and wouldnt notice/care if there was a performance differences.
If they noticeed/cared about the differences then they r enough of a gamer to warrant learning about enough computer related topics to fix it themselves or avoid buying prebuilt rigs in the future.
I understand how those features will seem silly to power users .. But for those who just want a rig to use for general purpose ..which may include a few games those features will help save power and thus money..somthing those types of users are always looking at.
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I cannot comment on the performance of the AMD CPUs in this game as I just got my FX-8350 and haven’t been able to test it in GW2 due to the login error we are fed with right now. What I have noticed was horrible performance to begin with comparing with my old i7 920.
You “upgraded” from an i7 920 to a FX-8350?! O.o
Sorry but that was a seriously poor choice. At best, equal performance. At worst… Well you seem to know about that.
Pretty much everyone knows that Intel is king at the moment. AMD hasnt been able to compete for performance in a year or two. Cost yes, but not performance.
i7 920 was a very good CPU, i don’t really think moving to FX platform is worth the money unless use serious multithreading apps, virtual machine stuff like that. But in the end the FX is overall faster single or mutithread, it is also very easy to OC compared to the 920 due the unlocked multiplier.
the 920 clocks well on some bords, but, you gotta have a kitten good board to get the most out of them, the 8350 on the other hand, really just needs a board with a decent vrm/fet sink and decent bios,,,,
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I wouldn’t recommend any other AMD CPU’s apart from the FX series unless they are overclocked because my friend has AMD Phenom II X6 1055T also he gets alot of dips below 20 fps even with a slight overclock.
FX series on the other hand is pretty good my fx 8350 stock runs the game fairly well around the same as my friends i7 3770k stock which my friend runs with a HD 7870 (I run a 7950 but both are overkill since you only need a 7850 to max out gw2 anything higher will not give a massive boost in fps) which is at stock clocks with ultra settings and SweetFX with alot of features turned on.
my other friend owns a FX 6300 he also runs the game just as smooth when he ran it at stock but he has OC’ed his so it runs very smooth (these is with ultra settings + SweetFX with alot of features turned on ) and they are very easy to overclock according to my friend I personally haven’t tried oc’edmy FX 8350 but I don’t really need to there is the odd occasion in WvW and Lion Archs where the fps drops below 30 fps but not often enough to tempt me to overclock.
What I’m wishing for is arenanet to support multicores and by multicores I mean more than 4 atleast 6 so I can get the most out my FX 8350.
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