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Posted by: CursedShaitan.9720

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I’m making this post for people like myself made the mistake of buying this game thinking that AMD optimization problems were in being sorted based on forum information. What you will find is that the only solution currently available is upgrading to intel. For people like myself(there are plenty of us) who boycott Intel products for moral reasons relating to their business practices (ie, not because i’m on team amd, not for any fan boy reasoning, not because of imagined superior products i realize they under perform to a small degree, i’d sooner buy a product from a 3rd competitor if they existed, and certainly not because of I7 prices’ as all are within my means of purchasing right now.)

This is to highlight what happens if you go in search of better performance in this game with only amd as an option.

As of right now there is nothing in the works for us, (at least nothing they are willing to discuss and from my time playing GW for 6 years since launch there isn’t much arena net isn’t willing to discuss so the fact its being avoided is a pretty clear indicator)

If you have a Phenom even at 4.5ghz you will be instructed to upgrade to an FX processor which has weaker per core performance than the phenom II.(game is all about per core performance)
If you have an fx they will tell you that amd processors have weaker ipc than intels and you need to overclock. If you overclock your fx clock speed high enough counter act the weaker ipc and still have issues( you will no amd chip exists that can play this game) you will then be told to upgrade to intel

since all roads in search of performance in this game ultimately lead to buying an intel chip that leaves me with a whopping 0 options left to improve my performance.

The only small glimmer of hope is kevari in the future but seeing as how this games performance is miles worse on amd products than even their lower IPC can excuse i have a feeling even amd chips that match up with their intel counterparts core for core will continue to under perform. Its a gamble i might be willing to take though as its more enticing than a new 9350 for a whopping 2 fps increase.

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Posted by: Aza.2105

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From what I understand it would take AMD cpus a whopping 200% overclock to match Intel cpus in non AMD optimized apps and games. The problem isn’t that AMD is bad, the problem is there is zero optimization for 8 cores, which results in AMD cpus trying to compute work loads like a intel cpu would.

I don’t foresee Anet making any significant changes to their engine to make it multi threaded. In fact, one can assume that they believe getting 15fps is acceptable and fine.

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Posted by: zerk.9701

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Their will be no special optimization for AMD that would be a major waste of resources and man hours. If you buy a inferior product then you get inferior performance. If you buy a 8 core work processor why would you think it would perform good when single core performance is what counts? For the new AMD processors coming out Intel could not produce anything new for about 5 yeas and still lead in performance.

The new 9590 5gh processors are a joke. 220 Watt draw and 3 motherboards that they recommend ouch.

I have my i5 2500K overclocked to 5gh with a Vcore of 1.27 that’s 137 watts and pretty much this sums it up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

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Posted by: Aza.2105

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Their will be no special optimization for AMD that would be a major waste of resources and man hours. If you buy a inferior product then you get inferior performance. If you buy a 8 core work processor why would you think it would perform good when single core performance is what counts? For the new AMD processors coming out Intel could not produce anything new for about 5 yeas and still lead in performance.

The new 9590 5gh processors are a joke. 220 Watt draw and 3 motherboards that they recommend ouch.

I have my i5 2500K overclocked to 5gh with a Vcore of 1.27 that’s 137 watts and pretty much this sums it up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

We don’t live in the age of single core cpus anymore, its not AMDS fault that Anet decided to create a graphically intense game that doesn’t take advantage of multithreading.

If AMD cpus are inferior why is it after SOE made planetside 2 multi threaded that AMD cpus equal and in many cases outperform intel equivalents?

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Posted by: zerk.9701

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PS2 also runs better on Intel and it’s not to say games only use a single core but more like you see 1 core taking a massive load with the other cores taking less. That’s why I stated the single core performance.

And as I stated above I’ll take my 3 generation old i5 2500K over anything AMD can produce in the next few years.

Out of all the games that are out you might be able to show maybe one benchmark where a AMD processor will beat a Intel i5. With the Intel having a lot slower clock speed.

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Posted by: Aza.2105

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PS2 also runs better on Intel and it’s not to say games only use a single core but more like you see 1 core taking a massive load with the other cores taking less. That’s why I stated the single core performance.

And as I stated above I’ll take my 3 generation old i5 2500K over anything AMD can produce in the next few years.

Out of all the games that are out you might be able to show maybe one benchmark where a AMD processor will beat a Intel i5. With the Intel having a lot slower clock speed.

Nope, most games are coded to be single threaded. PS2 was the same. Except until now, thanks to the PS4.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/08/05/the-ps4s-big-challenge-is-its-amd-chip-that-heavily-relies-on-multi-threading-says-planetside-2-dev/

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Posted by: Stormcrow.7513

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Anet is still working on performance issues apparently but I do feel bad for the OP. I went from a X6 1055t oc to 3.5 to my current rig and I am glad that I did. Anet really blundered when they decided to use the GW1 engine and modify it instead of using a modern engine that supports threading more efficiently. The addition of DX11 would also have been nice for ALL users but, alas this will never happen as well.
It has been months since we have heard anything about performance and since I doubt that we will ever see a noticeable performance gain anytime soon it is best just to deal with the limitations of the engine as it stands.
I find myself playing less and less and getting more annoyed with the terrible frames that everyone gets in high population encounters(zergs).
The 9590 is interesting for those that do anything but game and I doubt that many of those chips will sell.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

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Their will be no special optimization for AMD that would be a major waste of resources and man hours. If you buy a inferior product then you get inferior performance. If you buy a 8 core work processor why would you think it would perform good when single core performance is what counts? For the new AMD processors coming out Intel could not produce anything new for about 5 yeas and still lead in performance.

The new 9590 5gh processors are a joke. 220 Watt draw and 3 motherboards that they recommend ouch.

I have my i5 2500K overclocked to 5gh with a Vcore of 1.27 that’s 137 watts and pretty much this sums it up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

We don’t live in the age of single core cpus anymore, its not AMDS fault that Anet decided to create a graphically intense game that doesn’t take advantage of multithreading.

If AMD cpus are inferior why is it after SOE made planetside 2 multi threaded that AMD cpus equal and in many cases outperform intel equivalents?

It does take advantage, it just doesn’t do it well, only using somewhere between 2 and 3 cores worth of CPU cycles. There are over 40 threads associated with the game when it’s running but less than a dozen that use any noticeable amount of CPU time and only a handful that use more than 25% of a core. The primary thread uses over 70% of a single core.

There are not a lot of true 6 or 8 core CPUs on the market while there are plenty of quads and duel cores. While some software like video and file compression or ray trace based rendering software can take advantage of how many cores are present but in those cases it’s relatively easy to split the task into X equal parts. The rendering engine for a game is nowhere that easy. Actually downright hard.

Since Planetside 2 is coming out for the PS4 and since the cores in the PS4 are significantly weaker (around 60%) than one of the FX cores so if they want the game to run well on that platform they need to code it efficiently for 8 cores. It’s just what they learn there can then be used to rewrite the PC engine to perform better with lots of cores.

And the engine that Planetside 2 uses, is also going to be used in Everquest Next.

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