Guild Wars 2

I want to build a new pc for guild wars 2. I mostly play WvW and want a computer that can handle big zerg fights. Im not asking for amazing FPS when in a huge zerg fight but i want decent fps in zergs. How much would it cost to build a pc to do this?

Edit:
how would this build do in wvw http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/

Zeplar.9174:

I want to build a new pc for guild wars 2. I mostly play WvW and want a computer that can handle big zerg fights. Im not asking for amazing FPS when in a huge zerg fight but i want decent fps in zergs. How much would it cost to build a pc to do this?

http://pcpartpicker.com/

you can use this site as a resource.

I would choose the i5 4670k because it has the best performance per dollar

Or you can ask the people on this site

http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcforme

remember to tell them you need fast single threaded performance

some of them use sorcery to get the best value per dollar

The usual build I see is i5 3570K now i5 4670K, 8 GB DDR3, GTX 660TI or GTX670 or GTX 760, (or GTX 770 if you want some extra power on the GPU side for other things) or the Radeon HD 7870, 7950, 7870XT, R9 260X, 270X, 280X. Those core parts should provide reasonably good FPS for Zerg fights. As always “this game is so terribly optimized” and such people will say. Why not just say it runs like a beta? It is true, after all. Brute forcing the game with more raw CPU power is the way to do it.

Fastest computer I know of which is used by SolarNova sporting an Intel i7 3930K clocked at 4.6 GHz with a GTX 780 still gets crippled.

Avelos.6798:

Fastest computer I know of which is used by SolarNova sporting an Intel i7 3930K clocked at 4.6 GHz with a GTX 780 still gets crippled.

cpu speed is determined by architecture and clock rates. If the OP manages to get a Haswell cpu to clock 4.4 GHz then it will be faster than Solar Nova.

loseridoit.2756:

Avelos.6798:

Fastest computer I know of which is used by SolarNova sporting an Intel i7 3930K clocked at 4.6 GHz with a GTX 780 still gets crippled.

cpu speed is determined by architecture and clock rates. If the OP manages to get a Haswell cpu to clock 4.4 GHz then it will be faster than Solar Nova.

Only for single core performance; iirc, the 6cores don’t really beat the quads per core. Overall the hexcore demolishes.

As for a build, TC, something like this:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2uaXP

Fermi.2409:

loseridoit.2756:

Avelos.6798:

Fastest computer I know of which is used by SolarNova sporting an Intel i7 3930K clocked at 4.6 GHz with a GTX 780 still gets crippled.

cpu speed is determined by architecture and clock rates. If the OP manages to get a Haswell cpu to clock 4.4 GHz then it will be faster than Solar Nova.

Only for single core performance; iirc, the 6cores don’t really beat the quads per core. Overall the hexcore demolishes.

I’m not sure how well this http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html list translates into a real world scenario, but at least it states that a 4670K actually has around 13% edge over 3930K with 6,25% faster clock speed so 4670K should be a tad over 6% faster at same speed. That means that if the i5 is clocked at 4,5 GHz the i7 would have to be clocked at 4,8 to outperform it. This is all based on those synthetic results, of course.

@OP do you possibly have any parts from your previous computers that you can use? Like a DVD drive or do you even need one? Nevertheless, as you can see in Fermi’s list, it’s gonna cost you around $900-1000 to build a decent high-end computer from the scratch

Core per core the 4670K is faster than the 3930K. Yes.
But you guys are ignoring that the game will use more than one core. A six core intel i7 should get better performance over the quad core i7 by a possibly noticeable margin. More so over a quad core without hyper threading. Even if the i7 3930K is clocked at 4.6 with the 4670K clocked at 4.4, the performance from the i7 may be higher.

That could be true. Even if the game is using only 3 threads heavily that’s 75% of i5’s cores while only 50% of that i7’s (and 25% when hyperthreading) and the other things need to be running as well. It could get tricky to test it which one would yield better performance but I’m willing to believe that the difference in some huge zerg situation is not more than a few FPS into whichever direction.

This, while being entertaining, is getting a little OT, so I’d just like to say go for i5 if you’re on a budget, go i7 (i7-extreme if you’re willing) for futureproofing and all that kind of good stuff if money is not an issue.

Zeplar.9174:

I want to build a new pc for guild wars 2. I mostly play WvW and want a computer that can handle big zerg fights. Im not asking for amazing FPS when in a huge zerg fight but i want decent fps in zergs. How much would it cost to build a pc to do this?

Depending on what you play GW2 on now, it may not be worth it to build a system just for WvW.

But as the other posters have said, 900-1000 for a high end rig is about what it will cost. But you should expect 20-25FPS at Medium/High settings in WvWvW at large (60vs60vs60) fights.

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Theres about a 200mhz performance advantage to Haswell over Sandy. So my 4.6ghz OC is roughy equal to a 4.4ghz Haswell .. Clock for Clock.
You then take into account that a i7(4770k) 4c8t has a ‘very’ slight performance advantage in GW2 vs a i5 (4670k) 4c4t and add it the same advantage to the 3930k due to 6c12t…..

All in all it would be hard to tell in game the differnece between a 4.5ghz i5 4670k and a 4.6ghz i7 3930k, with each one finding situations were they beat one another.
Throw a 4770k i7 into the mix at 4.5ghz and i would expect it to beat a 3930k at 4.6ghz in GW2 as it no longer has the core and thread limitation of the i5.

The problem arrises when u try to get a haswel to OC that high on a resonably priced cooler. A sandybridge 2500k/2550k/2600k/2700k wouldnt have any problems hitting 4.6ghz with a mid range ar cooler. A Haswell on the other hand would requir a top end air cooler at the very least to have a chance at being temperature stable at 4.5ghz.

OP. You will want around a $1000 budget for a i5 build with a good GPU, or a i7 build with a lower end GPU. So long as u set ur GFX settings up according to the grunt u have available and set Culling to High or Highest on character limit and medium or low on texture limit, u should maintain around 20-25 fps ‘minimum’ figures in zergs, though possibly lower in very extreme situations.

EDIT: One last thing to mention, unless proved otherwise, as far as i know the single thread performance charts linkd in posts above have the clock speeds shown. The 3930k apparently was at 3.2ghz whilst the 4670k was at 3.4ghz. Though those may simply be the ‘title names’ of the CPU as advertised and infact they may have been runnign at the turbo speed. In which case its 3.8ghz for the 3930k and 3.8ghz again for the 4670k.
If u look at the scores between identical processor/architecture but different clocks, like the 2600k vs 2700k, the 3570k and 3770k etc, they have 100mhz in difference and all seem to have roughly 70 points between them. So u can work out roughly what the 3930k would score at the same clock as the 4670k. Its not a perfect theory but its close enough without actually doing the test itself. Its still lower than the 4670k obviosly but not as low as the list makes out.

SolarNova.1052:

The problem arrises when u try to get a haswel to OC that high on a resonably priced cooler. A sandybridge 2500k/2550k/2600k/2700k wouldnt have any problems hitting 4.6ghz with a mid range ar cooler. A Haswell on the other hand would requir a top end air cooler at the very least to have a chance at being temperature stable at 4.5ghz.

Throw in Haswell delidding and then we’re talking of completely different chapter of the same story (to which ones benefit is unclear to me, tho)

SolarNova.1052:

EDIT: One last thing to mention, unless proved otherwise, as far as i know the single thread performance charts linkd in posts above have the clock speeds shown. The 3930k apparently was at 3.2ghz whilst the 4670k was at 3.4ghz. Though those may simply be the ‘title names’ of the CPU as advertised and infact they may have been runnign at the turbo speed. In which case its 3.8ghz for the 3930k and 3.8ghz again for the 4670k.
If u look at the scores between identical processor/architecture but different clocks, like the 2600k vs 2700k, the 3570k and 3770k etc, they have 100mhz in difference and all seem to have roughly 70 points between them. So u can work out roughly what the 3930k would score at the same clock as the 4670k. Its not a perfect theory but its close enough without actually doing the test itself. Its still lower than the 4670k obviosly but not as low as the list makes out.

Out of boredom and the desire to help others, I did a few calculations. Here’s a list of performance per BCLK (100MHz) of unlocked Intels from SB onwards. inside the brackets is what the score would be if it was actually achieved with Turbo Boost clock speed:

Sandy Bridge
i5-2500K: 56,82 (50,68)
i5-2550K: 58 (51,89)
i7-2600K: 56,61 (50,66)
i7-2700K: 57,14 (51,28)

Sandy Bridge E
3930K: 60,78 (51,18)
3960X: 60,33 (51,05)
3970X: 57,43 (50,25)

Ivy Bridge
i5-3570K: 59,32 (53,08)
i7-3770K: 59,43 (53,33)

Ivy Bridge E
4820K: 55,49 (52,64)
4930K: 59,82 (52,15)
4960X: 58,72 (52,85)

Haswell
i5-4670K: 64,64 (57,84)
i7-4770K: 64,65 (58,03)

Now the final clock speed that could be reached varies (vastly even inside the same CPU model, too) and I don’t have a record of average OC’s of each model, but for example now 4670K is 14% faster than a 2500K, meaning it would have to attain 5 GHz to compete with 4670K @ 4,4 GHz. This is all made on the assumption that those scores were actually made with Turbo Boost on.

Also and as the silicon lottery pays huge part here, you could be as lucky as this guy getting 5 GHz on Haswell with air cooling (it was delidded tho) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHm2qHI3gc

SolarNova.1052:

Also and as the silicon lottery pays huge part here, you could be as lucky as this guy getting 5 GHz on Haswell with air cooling (it was delidded tho) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHm2qHI3gc

Oh I wish you didnt mention Delidding, now we are going to get a slew of idiots that remove the IHS to try and do serious overclocking!

But since it was mentioned, that’s how I got my i5 4670K to 5.1Ghz :-)

This is so horribly off topic now

Avelos.6798:

This is so horribly off topic now

yes, yes it is :-)