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Posted by: Typeless.4928

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As the title suggests I am interested in finding out if I Should pick Intel or AMD.
To be more specific I am trying to figure out which one of these two i7 3770(I did not miss the “K” it’s just not there) or AMD Bulldozer FX-8320 would be better for gaming, and since the WvW aspect of GW2 is so heavily based on CPU I thought I would come here for some assistance. So far I assumed Intel was better for gaming because it has more power per core but I started to dig around a little and came across some people who claimed the AMD version would be better but they did not provide any proof to this so I am still not sure.

I would appreciate any help with this dilemma, my PC is almost ready just need to figure out this last part.

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Posted by: cyanidecapsule.3926

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General rule:

Intel for gaming
AMD for multitasking programs

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Posted by: Typeless.4928

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General rule:

Intel for gaming
AMD for multitasking programs

I thought the same thing but since I came across some different opinions I started second guessing myself. Thats why I came here for more information

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Posted by: muslumgurseks.4951

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As the title suggests I am interested in finding out if I Should pick Intel or AMD.
To be more specific I am trying to figure out which one of these two i7 3770(I did not miss the “K” it’s just not there) or AMD Bulldozer FX-8320 would be better for gaming, and since the WvW aspect of GW2 is so heavily based on CPU I thought I would come here for some assistance. So far I assumed Intel was better for gaming because it has more power per core but I started to dig around a little and came across some people who claimed the AMD version would be better but they did not provide any proof to this so I am still not sure.

I would appreciate any help with this dilemma, my PC is almost ready just need to figure out this last part.

Get Intel for MMOs and believe me I’m a genuine AMD user its just not providing the horse power you expect from it. And get the K series ones since you will most probably want to overclock it one day if not right away. And hey 4th series of intels were released like a month ago why bother with 3770? go for 4670k (i5) or 4770k i7.

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Posted by: Typeless.4928

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As the title suggests I am interested in finding out if I Should pick Intel or AMD.
To be more specific I am trying to figure out which one of these two i7 3770(I did not miss the “K” it’s just not there) or AMD Bulldozer FX-8320 would be better for gaming, and since the WvW aspect of GW2 is so heavily based on CPU I thought I would come here for some assistance. So far I assumed Intel was better for gaming because it has more power per core but I started to dig around a little and came across some people who claimed the AMD version would be better but they did not provide any proof to this so I am still not sure.

I would appreciate any help with this dilemma, my PC is almost ready just need to figure out this last part.

Get Intel for MMOs and believe me I’m a genuine AMD user its just not providing the horse power you expect from it. And get the K series ones since you will most probably want to overclock it one day if not right away. And hey 4th series of intels were released like a month ago why bother with 3770? go for 4670k (i5) or 4770k i7.

Ofcourse there is a reason why bother with i7 3770 and it is a simple one-money.
I am a University student, students aren’t known for their riches exactly.
I will upgrade when the time comes probably but for now that is the best I can afford with my current disposable income.

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Posted by: muslumgurseks.4951

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well then get the K model of 3770 should be 10-20bucks more and it will worth it

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The general consensus I’ve seen around these forums are that Intel processors seem to perform better with GW2. However, a processor purchase should be based around other factors imo…

I have no idea about Intel processors and if they can be OC’d or not without the K; but if for some reason you needed more power out of a FX-8320, you can OC it (there’s no special edition of the 8320 “just” for OC’ing). I also heard of Intel offering some $50 OC-unlock cards, but I’m pretty sure they stopped doing this (pretty shady nonetheless though).

Another factor to consider is the socket. AMD seems to be sticking with AM3+ (and FM2 for APUs) for the foreseeable future. Intel on the other hand… I couldn’t tell you the difference between some of those sockets (1150, 1155, 1156, 1366, etc.). General point being, Intel changes up sockets “far” more than AMD, which could make your motherboard outdated quicker.

I’d buy the FX-8320.

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The general consensus I’ve seen around these forums are that Intel processors seem to perform better with GW2. However, a processor purchase should be based around other factors imo…

I have no idea about Intel processors and if they can be OC’d or not without the K; but if for some reason you needed more power out of a FX-8320, you can OC it (there’s no special edition of the 8320 “just” for OC’ing). I also heard of Intel offering some $50 OC-unlock cards, but I’m pretty sure they stopped doing this (pretty shady nonetheless though).

Another factor to consider is the socket. AMD seems to be sticking with AM3+ (and FM2 for APUs) for the foreseeable future. Intel on the other hand… I couldn’t tell you the difference between some of those sockets (1150, 1155, 1156, 1366, etc.). General point being, Intel changes up sockets “far” more than AMD, which could make your motherboard outdated quicker.

I’d buy the FX-8320.

Yes they are using the same sockets and sockets are backwards compatible… This may seem to be making sense in the theory however have you ever tried to use 8core fx on 870/890 mother board? and like overclock them? If you havent ill tell you dont even try it You will probably ram the board if not cpu along Unlike Intel Amd seems to be increasing the Tdp on their cpus and this causes damage or exploding VRMs on most boards when overclocked. So even if you bought an FX processor Id say dont even think of 8320 get 8350. You will experience less issues with overclocking beyond 4ghz (since 8350 is 4ghz out of box) and 8350 will overclock with lover voltages so the heat you will dissepate will be significantly less (+4500mhz)

Also people seem to be thinking Amd is cheaper and hey lets buy it (thats what I thought when I bought mine) without paying attention to the costs of electricity and after market coolers. A 3570k /3770k overclocks to 4.2 with stock cooler and stays quite away from throttling point while amd ones sweats like pigs (Amd board VRMs are also heating like kitten since it draws 400w ish power for an overclocked cpu while intel is just drawing half of it.)

All in all general conssensus has some points while they recommend intel.

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Yes they are using the same sockets and sockets are backwards compatible… This may seem to be making sense in the theory however have you ever tried to use 8core fx on 870/890 mother board? and like overclock them? If you havent ill tell you dont even try it You will probably ram the board if not cpu along Unlike Intel Amd seems to be increasing the Tdp on their cpus and this causes damage or exploding VRMs on most boards when overclocked. So even if you bought an FX processor Id say dont even think of 8320 get 8350. You will experience less issues with overclocking beyond 4ghz (since 8350 is 4ghz out of box) and 8350 will overclock with lover voltages so the heat you will dissepate will be significantly less (+4500mhz)

Also people seem to be thinking Amd is cheaper and hey lets buy it (thats what I thought when I bought mine) without paying attention to the costs of electricity and after market coolers. A 3570k /3770k overclocks to 4.2 with stock cooler and stays quite away from throttling point while amd ones sweats like pigs (Amd board VRMs are also heating like kitten since it draws 400w ish power for an overclocked cpu while intel is just drawing half of it.)

All in all general conssensus has some points while they recommend intel.

Overclocking in all situations does come with its share of concerns, but yeah, trying to OC a high-end AMD processor on a weak motherboard with no VRM cooling of any kind is probably not something one should do, and I’m certain the same could be said about a high-end Intel processor too.

However, if you don’t OC, then generally, you won’t have to worry about such issues.

As for power draw, I have no comment, but this is also something to consider in a processor purchase.

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Posted by: muslumgurseks.4951

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Yes they are using the same sockets and sockets are backwards compatible… This may seem to be making sense in the theory however have you ever tried to use 8core fx on 870/890 mother board? and like overclock them? If you havent ill tell you dont even try it You will probably ram the board if not cpu along Unlike Intel Amd seems to be increasing the Tdp on their cpus and this causes damage or exploding VRMs on most boards when overclocked. So even if you bought an FX processor Id say dont even think of 8320 get 8350. You will experience less issues with overclocking beyond 4ghz (since 8350 is 4ghz out of box) and 8350 will overclock with lover voltages so the heat you will dissepate will be significantly less (+4500mhz)

Also people seem to be thinking Amd is cheaper and hey lets buy it (thats what I thought when I bought mine) without paying attention to the costs of electricity and after market coolers. A 3570k /3770k overclocks to 4.2 with stock cooler and stays quite away from throttling point while amd ones sweats like pigs (Amd board VRMs are also heating like kitten since it draws 400w ish power for an overclocked cpu while intel is just drawing half of it.)

All in all general conssensus has some points while they recommend intel.

Overclocking in all situations does come with its share of concerns, but yeah, trying to OC a high-end AMD processor on a weak motherboard with no VRM cooling of any kind is probably not something one should do, and I’m certain the same could be said about a high-end Intel processor too.

However, if you don’t OC, then generally, you won’t have to worry about such issues.

As for power draw, I have no comment, but this is also something to consider in a processor purchase.

890fx boards are the best ones you could get in that time and supposedly support the FX 8cores but explodes on overclock thats what I was trying to say. Not cheap kitten boards without VRMs I even seen an Asus Crosshair IV formula that cant past 4ghz on 8120 with bios updates and everything. For power draw even if the electricty bill isnt a concern for you the heat output its linked with must be since you will invest more $ to keep things under control

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General rule:

Intel for gaming
AMD for multitasking programs

I feel that this is biased.
Intel is only somewhat better than AMD for some games in my experience.
They both have great game performance.

For Guild Wars 2 though, Intel. (I use an AMD FX-8350) the single threaded performance is what this game relies on and Intel has it better than AMD right now.

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While it does sound bias, that’s only because its a bit to broad a statement.

Intel is better for games, no doubt, BUT you will only notice it when u come across a game that is heavily CPU bound.
GW2 obviously is one extreme example. Some others however are MechWarrior Online, and Crysis 3 (assuming Dual or Triple SLI to keep the bottleneck CPU side). They both show increased FPS with Intel CPU’s due to Intel’s faster ,and unquestionable, single thread performance.
So a 3770 or a 8320 ..for gaming I would go Intel hands down. FYI the non k can still be OC’d .. just not as far, I think its limited to 300 or 400mhz over stock turbo clock speed.

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Well this is true but one does not need to go to an extreme like an i7 for GW2. I’d rather go with an i5 like 3570 or the 3570K model myself assuming I did not already have the FX-8350.

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Posted by: SolarNova.1052

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Well the thing is, there are situations in GW2 where an i5 can max out in total utilisation, at which point it isnt the single thread speed slowing u down, its simply a matter of capacity (not enough CPU threads available) at which point an i7 become very usfull.

Now these situations are few and far between. The last time i saw it was in one of the large story driven events(i havnt played much recently) ..i think one of them was the karka invasion, where i saw somthing like 60% usuage on my CPU and had guildies i5’kitten 99%. Note that 60% total utilisation on my CPU = roughly 7 threads. An i5 has 4 threads, an i7 has 8, a i7e has 12.
This be why, if u can afford to budget for an i7, u should get one.
Besides at this point in time u have to start thinking about future games being developed for the XboxOne’eighty’ and PS4. They will be designed with 8cores in mind, those games then ported over ether directly or indirectly, using the same core engine/threading, to the PC will favor i7’s and FX8k CPU’s over their lower thread count counteparts.
And you can safely asume this will hapen as the CPU’s in the new consols are not very powerfull per core, infact they are pritty slow, so game developers will HAVE to utilise as many as possible to get the CPU’s total performance for next gen consol games.

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AMD changed there sockets primarily related to memory since the Athlon 64.

Socket 754 was single channel DDR
Socket 939/940 was dual channel DDR
Socket AM2 was dual channel DDR2
Socket AM3 was dual channel DDR3

Now they also tried to maintain some backward compatibility with older AM2 CPUs with the AM2+ when they introduced the Phenom and with AM3 CPUs with the AM3+ when they introduce the FX.

Intel was stable for quite some time until they started to include the memory controller and primary PCIe interface on their CPUs. Socket 1366 and 2011 exist due to the triple and quad channel memory design. Socket 1156, 1155 and 1150 exist to make sure key voltage and clocking changes won’t fry the CPU, a problem that they had with Socket 775 when they went from Pentium 4/D to Core 2.

Now as SolarNova said, only when a game isn’t bound by performance of the video card does the CPU choice really makes a difference. Let me trot out this piece at AnandTech which compared CPUs running games at 2560×1440 with all the settings turned up.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6985/choosing-a-gaming-cpu-at-1440p-adding-in-haswell-

Not surprisingly when using only a single HD 7970 or a GTX 580, it showed little if any difference in performance between CPUs in the four games they ran. It isn’t until there is enough GPU power available to show off the differences in CPUs.

This test is opposite of testing CPUs by running games at low resolution and game settings while using a single high end video card. However in the end the ordering of the results are similar. One problem with this review is the GTX 580 isn’t on par with the HD 7970 so multicard configurations don’t separate CPUs as well with the GTX 580 as it does with the HD 7970.

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Ofcourse there is a reason why bother with i7 3770 and it is a simple one-money.
I am a University student, students aren’t known for their riches exactly.
I will upgrade when the time comes probably but for now that is the best I can afford with my current disposable income.

As with the others I’d recommend Intel for it’s single thread performance. AMD makes great stuff for other needs, but for GW2 Intel has been getting the muscle crown.

On a side note; Students not known for their wealth? You sir (or madam) have wealth beyond the wildest dreams of middle aged folk. Surrounded by all the knowledge of the world, unlimited time to browse it while surrounded by young folks of whichever sex you prefer and easily accessed quantities of alcohol and other inhibition lowering substances.

Mark my words you will not re-achieve this state again.

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