Guild Wars 2

Hi!

I’m really stuck here. Every time I play GW2, I have an absolute max of 20 fps. I’ve gone through fixes for a lifetime, and none of them are helping. Of course I’m on the lowest settings possible, but I still get an FPS that I should not have at all.

Here are my specs: http://imgur.com/Ab8esd8 (CPU boosted to 4.0 GHz)

I assure you, I’ve done all of my capabilities worth to fix the issue. All cores are unparked an so on. When running, the game is set to realtime in the Task Manager. All other games run as smoothly as they ever should (StarCraft 2, Battlefield 4, Diablo 3).

I’m stuck and don’t know what to do anymore.

Thanks for the help!
~Nother~

get gpuz http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

check to see if your 7850/70 is running at pcie 3.0 @x16.

used full screen windowed mode when checking

dodgycookies.4562:

get gpuz http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

check to see if your 7850/70 is running at pcie 3.0 @x16.

used full screen windowed mode when checking

Thanks, the numbers I get are PCI-E 3.0×16 but apparently running at x11.1.

Any suggestions to solve this problem, if it is?

Cheers!
Nother

install latest drivers or beta drivers

check bios/windows settings for power save

make sure your card is in the top most slot closest to cpu

try reseating the gpu and clean both the socket and connections

dodgycookies.4562:

install latest drivers or beta drivers

check bios/windows settings for power save

make sure your card is in the top most slot closest to cpu

try reseating the gpu and clean both the socket and connections

Man I can’t express enough how thankful I am to you. As it is, my GPU was in the wrong slot. I raised it, and BOOM! 60 FPS on highest settings!! I’m so happy!!!! Thank you so very much!! <3 No one had told me this before.

<3
~Nother~

Is it really working ? I search for some solutions too.

Please can u tell me exactly what u did ?

Thak you

jullin.6487:

Is it really working ? I search for some solutions too.

Please can u tell me exactly what u did ?

Thak you

download GPU-Z, look at the PCI-E Link speed. It should be 16x 3.0(or 2.0) while GW2 is running and 16x 1.1 when no game is running.

If its not like that, reset your GPU in the slot closest to your CPU.

sirsquishy.8531:

jullin.6487:

Is it really working ? I search for some solutions too.

Please can u tell me exactly what u did ?

Thak you

download GPU-Z, look at the PCI-E Link speed. It should be 16x 3.0(or 2.0) while GW2 is running and 16x 1.1 when no game is running.

If its not like that, reset your GPU in the slot closest to your CPU.

OK I am going to try it tomorow. I let u know if it is working.

well when I start the GPU-Z (without GW2 running) it shows PCI-E 2.0×16 @ x16 2.0 . When I start the GPU-Z (with GW2 running) it shows the same parameters, without any changes.

So I sould change the position of my grafic card to be as near as it possible to my CPU, shouldn´t I?

And what about Render test. Can it helps?

Re-seat the video card.

your video card is working as it should as that chip is designed to operate at 2.0×16. Considering you have a 5770 or 5750, i assume the rest of your system is just as old. Your poor fps is most likely not from any malfunctioning hardware, but rather just old hardware.

If you had better performance before, make sure you are not thermal throttling by cleaning out your heat sinks.

edit: also start your own thread rather than use someone elses., makes it easier for those trying to help.

I should have looked more closely at your specs.

your running your monitor at 1080p on a HD5700 Series. I’m willing to bet that’s the issue right there.

Drop the in game resolution for GW2 down to 1600×900 and I bet you get more then 20FPS.

Also since we do not know what in-game settings you are running change the following;

uncheck high res models
Set reflections to sky/terrain only, or off
Set Character Limit to Low or Medium
Set Sampling to Native
Set Shaders to Medium

and let me know what that does to your performance as well.

I’ll never understand why people keep trying to talk others into lowering their settings since there are no issues with it at all. It is a badly optimized and badly programmed game, using an old API and Guild Wars 2 staff will never do something to fix it up, unless we somehow spend 2000 euros or so to buy a really high end pc that will be able to play top notch titles and…well…cope with the requirments of this game, which are by far lower. They simply can’t seem to be able to implement a dx11 feature or just send more to the gpu end or even try to charge it on the bandwidth of the connection. I mean, come on, I’ve been an EvE Online player for 4 years now, having seen massive battles of thousands of people in the same grid and I never had even the smallest issue, either with my hardware (fps dips or overheating/high CPU usage) or with my connection. They implemented the ‘’Time Dilation’’ feature which distributes the same amount of lag among each client in large fights or crowded places and that’s it. No visual lag whatsoever on my MSI GTX 560 Ti there. End of story for them. Guild Wars 2 is simply a different story. Nobody has to lower anything, unless you run on 5-year old (or more) specs. I’d say that Guild Wars 2 staff has to do their job since we, as buyers, did our part well. We paid. And we aren’t getting what we paid for. And that just sums it up. We should have all known that there would be problems when someone displays Minimum Requirments and no RECOMMENDED…
Excuse my bluntness but I hear the game has been out for quite some while and the only changes they make is change abilities in classes. Seriously… Classes, for the most part, are fine. Concentrate on what REALLY matters here. Which is fun. And people can’t have it.

umm, the 5700 was released in 2009 which makes it 5 years old. which is why we are telling him to turn his settings down. People with decent modern (sandy bridge and later) setups usually don’t have issues with the game unless they have a hardware issue or in a very large zerg

Screenshots of my i5-4670K and my HD7790 before I got the CPU OC’d to 5.0Ghz.

These are Screens I took when I was testing my hardware and such for the best possible performance.

on Ultra, at 1600×900 31FPS was my peak, With my ‘normal custom’ settings, 96FPS was my peak.

Now with my custom, my FPS goes between 110-135FPS.

And this is on pretty new hardware in comparison with the OP.

Which is why I told him to lower his Resolution and turn down some of the in-game effects.

the performance on modern hardware is TERRIBLE with this game. The End user has to make large sacrifices ($ Mainly) to get anywhere with a decent FPS (60+).

dodgycookies.4562 : As you said, the problem is probably in my HW. It seems to be just old. So it is the time to buy new one, or to start spamming ANET to do the better optimization of this game.

sirsquishy.8531 : Thanks for help. Of course I play this game at the lowest settings, but as you said I did not mention this.

Aronnas.5731 : Yea, you are absolutely right, it´s so anoying, that this game has so bad optimization. What is more, ANET aren´t going to change it, so far. I hope that when I leave home (I believe to start study University), I woun´t have to buy PC for hudreds of euros to play this game, I hope, that someone raise againts this laziness.

As we speak, I’m running on an i7 930 2.8Ghz stock with 6GB or ram and an MSI GTX 560Ti, getting mostly stable 55-60 in every PvE enviroment with a lowest of 15-20 fps in cities and/or WvW. Playable, still. Some people would say that it’s normal (which is not, considering the Minimum Requirments of the game). Truth is though that on my newest rig (onto which I can’t play right now since RMA issues occured with my Samsung SSD) with an i7 4770k oc’ed at 4.5GHz watercooled, with 16GB of ram and an Asus GTX 780 it is simply unacceptable to get a low of 20 fps, even in large zergs. You cannot simply advice people to lower their settings and do this or that on their system just because your project grows beyond your control. You find the issues and patch them instead, as any programmer that respects themselves and their clients, it’s not like GW 2 has graphics anywhere near modern titles out there that run smoothly even in multiplayer mode. If I didn’t have any knowledge on such matters, I wouldn’t even talk though programming ( and IT security, which is irrelevant right now ) are my fields. Cheers.

1. If you were a programmer you would KNOW what a huge undertaking it is to change/upgrade the API of an application. And you also would be looking at it from a ROI/Business end of the project for it.

2. Minimum requirements are just that, the Minimum requirement to ‘RUN’ the game. It does not mean the game will be playable at fluid speeds or details on those specs. Just that is will run. And nor should those requirements be reflected on Bleeding Edge Hardware either. Just cause your System is 300%-400% better then the min specs, doesn’t mean you should be expecting 300%-400% performance above them either.

3. The limiting factor for GW2 is how Anet is using DX9 to push the detail/effects/textures that they are supplying that API. DX9 is NOT built to be pushed how they are using it. So this leaves two options for Anet;

A. Dump hundreds of thousands into building a new API or upgrade DX9 to DX11/12

B. Do nothing, and leave it as is and wait for better CPU’s to hit the market

Currently they have chosen B.

We already know that an i7-Extreme can get 30~ FPS in a worst case scenario. We also know the i7 Extreme CPU is 800-1200 bucks. So what Anet has decided is that since there is a solution out there to ‘help’ with the poor performance of the game they put the choice into the end users to buy ‘bleeding edge Tech’ in order to overcome Anet’s Short Comings, or ‘deal with it until an executive decision is made to fix it internally’.

I opted to Buy Ivy/Sandy bridge hardware to assist with the weak API. And because I dont have to complain on the forums, nor wait for Anet to build a new API/Upgrade DX9 due to performance issues, I am enjoying the product the best that I can.

And that is the current state of the game that we all have to accept if we want to continue to use the product.

Hell even you bought newer hardware (Pending an RMA for kitten lol), so I really dont get why you are complaining here. If you want to complain take it up to NCsoft. Ultimately they are the ones that will decide when its time for Anet to shuffle funding in building a new API.

But for what its worth here is my prediction;

GW2 is going to hit the Asian markets soon. Providing a successful Server Roll out (I hope they are NOT US bound servers…that would be SO bad for Asia PAC), and the rumor that Anet/NCSoft is going to be adding a Subscription to those markets, we can expect a sound investment back into the product after 3-6 months AFTER they subsidize their subscription base and reinvest time/money back into the core of the product. I predict DX 11.x and 12 support with in a year after they launch in the Asia markets.

well anet is not gonna do anything for a while, so would you rather just tell people who have low fps to deal with it or offer an actual workable solution? Yes dx9 is old and yes it gets terrible performance because of it single thread nature, but since none of us work for anet or ncsoft, we can’t change any of that. The only options left to the player is to either change your settings(big improvement) or change your hardware(minor improvement). So of course we are going to tell other to lower their settings if they aren’t getting the fps they like.

What really killed the performance was the removal of culling. Making a player setting without clearly explaining what it did and the performance effects that it has on other settings like dynamic shadows and reflections was a mistake. And then having a bad auto detect feature that doesn’t really consider the new settings was even worse.

… Well I did little investment. I bought new cooler and I try to overclock my CPU from 2.6GHz to 4.0GHz. I will see if it make any chages …

sirsquishy.8531:

Screenshots of my i5-4670K and my HD7790 before I got the CPU OC’d to 5.0Ghz.

on Ultra, at 1600×900 31FPS was my peak, With my ‘normal custom’ settings, 96FPS was my peak.

For comparisons sake,
AMD Athlon II x4 635 @2.9ghz
4gb of pc1333 RAM
MSI r7 260x 2gb

Same settings but in Windowed Fullscreen(1920×1080)
http://imgur.com/vILO3BE
My readings are outlined in red for seperation. The FPS isnt capped at 60,thats just where it wanted to hang with a much weaker processor like mine.
EDIT: Right after that the Queensdale zerg came after the Boar and my FPS plummeted straight to 30 and stayed for the duration.
P.S that core clock on your 7790 is pretty high eh?

MrFayth.3546:

sirsquishy.8531:

Screenshots of my i5-4670K and my HD7790 before I got the CPU OC’d to 5.0Ghz.

on Ultra, at 1600×900 31FPS was my peak, With my ‘normal custom’ settings, 96FPS was my peak.

For comparisons sake,
AMD Athlon II x4 635 @2.9ghz
4gb of pc1333 RAM
MSI r7 260x 2gb

Same settings but in Windowed Fullscreen(1920×1080)
http://imgur.com/vILO3BE
My readings are outlined in red for seperation. The FPS isnt capped at 60,thats just where it wanted to hang with a much weaker processor like mine.
EDIT: Right after that the Queensdale zerg came after the Boar and my FPS plummeted straight to 30 and stayed for the duration.
P.S that core clock on your 7790 is pretty high eh?

yea that’s the issue I have with all AMD based systems on this game. 60-65FPS max with ‘ideal’ settings! It really infuriates me. But I can get nearly double that on most Intel systems.

But yea, the HD7790 stock is 1075core, 1560~ Memory. out of the box you can push the core to 1200 and mem to 1600. Currently I have mine watercooled and my Core is 1875 and memory is 2100. My i5-4670K is also at 4.9Ghz with a 5.1ghz boost.

If you video card is not running at x16 PCIE, it is either broken, unseated or you have it in the wrong (or a bad) PCIE-16 slot. No amount of overclocking or tweaking will fix the video card not running with all PCIE channels…..

Brother Grimm.5176:

If you video card is not running at x16 PCIE, it is either broken, unseated or you have it in the wrong (or a bad) PCIE-16 slot. No amount of overclocking or tweaking will fix the video card not running with all PCIE channels…..

There are exceptions to this statement.

Such as if the Onboard Video being enabled. That will clock your PCI-E Card down to 8x, or 4x depending on addon cards

That is true, (so go make sure any on-board video is NOT enabled as well….), however there is NO scenario possible that would fix the reduced PCIE channel issue by “tweaking” any video resolutions or settings….those are a waste of time until the channel issue is resolved.

Again, re-seat the video card while verifing it is in the primary PCIE slot for you motherboard (and make sure the on-board video is disabled). At that point, I would run the test again with another video board (does not have to be the one you will used, just a spare PCIE-16 board) to verify the PCIE slot on the motherboard isn’t damaged.

jullin.6487:

… Well I did little investment. I bought new cooler and I try to overclock my CPU from 2.6GHz to 4.0GHz. I will see if it make any chages …

I overclocked my CPU from 2.66GHz to 4GHz and it makes a lot of changes. My average FPS has been increased from 20 (the lowest deails in the past) to 40 (now almost the highest details). What´s more it seems to be stable and pretty good working …. So this solution helps me alot and I think this is better than buy a new PC or CPU for much more money than the cooler costs.

Anyway GPU hasn´t got too much Effect on this game as CPU has. So boosting ur CPU is better, in my view.