Guild Wars 2

For reference here are my computer specs:
AMD Phenom II X6 1055t 2.8Ghz 6-Core
AMD/ATI Radeon HD 6850 (12.10 Cata. Control Center Driver)
12GB DDR3 Ram
Window 7 SP1

My settings in-game are all at low/off and the shaders are at Native. If I’m standing in a zone, let’s say Lonar’s Pass, I’ll idle between 50-60 FPS. But once I start attacking it goes down to 30-40, maybe 20-30. In LA it’s always around 17. But the worst is during WvW. In which case I’ll get about 6 FPS if I’m in the zerg, or about 10-25 just fighting about at supply camps and what not. Also it likes to jump around everywhere in SPVP. I did what the “FPS and Performance” sticky asked me and it didn’t fix a whole lot. It almost felt like I got better FPS on my older Athlon CPU. Why is this happening? Is my CPU/GPU really that bad?

Phenom 965 BE and it sucks… Welcome to GW2!

Most likely your CPU is being bottlenecked.
Read Part 4 of this thread to understand why in detail.

CPU bottleneck.

Depending on what u consider playable fps u will have to have ether of the following cpu setups.

30+fps al lthe time = 3570k + OC to near 4.5ghz
15/20+ fps all the time = 3570k Stock.

The only amd that can compare is the FX 8350 which even with a OC would probably net you 20+ fps all the time.

Kirito’s link 100% correct so best to just read that

Even a 1100T is bottlenecked, jumps from 15 to 30 (sometimes even 50 if the camera isn’t being moved) This is on stock though, 3.3 GHz.

Kind of sucks though because I defiantly exceed the min. requirements. I hope they better optimize this game because I feel many people are being, or have been, turned off to this.

Yes well unfortunatly not everyone understands that ‘minimum requirments’ just mean ‘the game will run’ ..it does say how well or that it will be ‘playable’. And GW2 has no offical ‘recommended requirements’ becouse they r rather high and would indeed put people of from buying GW2.

This unfortunatly does lead to people such as urself who buy the game thinking they can play GW2 wihtout issue becouse the exceed minimum specs, but then find out that the performance is bad.

It sucks ..but not really much u can do.
Only thing i can say is to take this as a learning experiance…. ALWAYS check on game forums what performance people who play the game are getting and with what system. .that way u can get an idea of what it will play like with ur system.

@SolarNova

The thing is though is that this game ran fine during the Beta Weekends, of course besides WvW. But your post has a bit of a “I have a better PC than you” condescending tone to it. Also where the kitten did you learn to type?

I did however fix it with a bit of OCing.

Sry if it sounded condescending ..as for my typeing ..im dyslexic

God kitten Nova. Now I feel like a complete kitten #8230; I’m sorry.

SolarNova.1052:

CPU bottleneck.

Depending on what u consider playable fps u will have to have ether of the following cpu setups.

30+fps al lthe time = 3570k + OC to near 4.5ghz
15/20+ fps all the time = 3570k Stock.

The only amd that can compare is the FX 8350 which even with a OC would probably net you 20+ fps all the time.

Kirito’s link 100% correct so best to just read that

Not true. I have an fx4100 at 3.9ghz and I never go under 20fps on max, maybe in wvw i will dip down to 12-20fps but that’s in a big zerg/fort fight.

@OP, that’s just gw2 for you, my buddy has the same cpu as you and has the same issues.

True turning off reflections/shadows and see how that works. I usually turn both of them off anyways because oclusion is craptastic atm and shadows load so close to you, even on ultra, it bothers me a lot to see it.

Acid.1384:

God kitten Nova. Now I feel like a complete kitten .. I’m sorry.

Lol np, it happens. Can be hard to tell the ‘tone’ of text some times :P

@Clorox Sour.5142

My figures and examples were including big WvW fights, so i would say what ur getting coincides with what i was saying about cpu’s.
All stock cpu’s (intel & amd) will get sub 30 fps and likely sub 20 fps in big WvW battles, all AMD cpu’s even OC’d will have sub 30 fps in WvW but may be able to stay above 20 if its one of the better cpu’s like for example a FX 8350.

SolarNova.1052:

Acid.1384:

God kitten Nova. Now I feel like a complete kitten .. I’m sorry.

Lol np, it happens. Can be hard to tell the ‘tone’ of text some times :P

@Clorox Sour.5142

My figures and examples were including big WvW fights, so i would say what ur getting coincides with what i was saying about cpu’s.
All stock cpu’s (intel & amd) will get sub 30 fps and likely sub 20 fps in big WvW battles, all AMD cpu’s even OC’d will have sub 30 fps in WvW but may be able to stay above 20 if its one of the better cpu’s like for example a FX 8350.

I understand but anywhere besides a big wvw zerg I am averaging 20-40fps, of course it varies from areas but it’s still not a bad cpu is what i’m saying, though the 8350 may perform a bit better and net a 5-10fps increase, it’s not a big step. I can clock this up to 4.5ghz and it’s stable but even then it’s only like, 3-4 fps increase according to gw2. So that’s also not worth it.

I guess what I was trying to say originally was even a fx4100 will perform will without worry, 15-20fps in wvw is easily manageable and understandable given that it’s the gw2 client. If OP has an AM3+ mobo a cheap upgrade to even an fx4100 will work to stop fps issues.

The thing with phenoms/BD/PD is clock speed, amd’s are notorious for higher performance gains with higher clocks than intel cpus.
EDIT: I also run a 6850 as OP

The 1055T is, hands down, better procesor than the fx4100… just need to overclock it to 4ghz which is not complicated. there are tons of guides about how to do that, is very easy with those CPUs. Just need to raise volt and FSB speed, most Air coolers can manage the heat, i use a CM 212 EVO on a similar CPU at 4ghz and never goes over 40c during prime and 32c playing GW2.

amd phenom II x4 965
amd 7870oc
4gb 1333

cpu performance maesurings all tell that gw2 mainly runs on one core (still ! first few beta weekends, the game provided only single cpu support!), what did i buy those other 3 for?

every game even the most ridiculous demanding ones run extremely well maxed out, but with guild wars2 i keep gettin around 10-20fps in busy ares like lions arch or even less at wvwvw battles, due to guild war’s cpu limitation.. can you pls start optimizing your game on the hardware scale as well ? the artstyle is magnificent but its not like i’m playing a crysis6 here for the amount of performance needed xD

While this is mainly the game’s fault, I’d strongly recommend buying Intel next time. They are able to process many more instructions per clock (IPC) than AMD processors, meaning a 2.8 GHz Intel processor will perform much better than a 2.8 GHz AMD processor.

Dobz.6728:

While this is mainly the game’s fault, I’d strongly recommend buying Intel next time. They are able to process many more instructions per clock (IPC) than AMD processors, meaning a 2.8 GHz Intel processor will perform much better than a 2.8 GHz AMD processor.

This would actually be AMD’s fault, for not being able to properly balance the load across the cores.

That’s the real difference between AMD and Intel at the moment. An Intel multi-core will increase the speed to pegged cores while decreasing the speed to cores with excess capacity.

My rig is very similar to those stated: Phenom II x4 945 @ 3GHz.

People continue to talk about ‘bottlenecking’ however my cpu does utilize all 4 cores 75-100% use depending on where I am. The deal is, instead of building GW2 around a more GPU controlled coding, Arena use a CPU controlled coding which is set for only 3 Threads at one given time. Intel users do see a better performance in most cases due to Intel CPUs being mostly multi-thread capable. As they hold the patent for such AMD CPUs only have 1 thread per core.

Overall though this does not denote one is better than the other as some would hope. The fault with low FPS is the fact the engine has yet to be completely fine-tuned. I remember the wee-years of GW1, pre DX9c, when even it had issues of low performance. It took a few years but GW1 has been fine tuned to be both GPU and CPU reliant, allowing for FPS to reach over 200 in some areas. We can only hope the same will occur here, hopefully sooner than later for some.

RvLeshrac.2673:

Dobz.6728:

While this is mainly the game’s fault, I’d strongly recommend buying Intel next time. They are able to process many more instructions per clock (IPC) than AMD processors, meaning a 2.8 GHz Intel processor will perform much better than a 2.8 GHz AMD processor.

This would actually be AMD’s fault, for not being able to properly balance the load across the cores.

That’s the real difference between AMD and Intel at the moment. An Intel multi-core will increase the speed to pegged cores while decreasing the speed to cores with excess capacity.

AMD does have such capability, however one must disable the AMD Cool ’n Quiet for it to properly work. Also, Intel seems much faster and much more reliable because they hold a patent for multi-threading capabilty. Each core has 2 threads instead of 1 as AMD holds.