Guild Wars 2

Hi there,

Since I am quite sick of getting 10~15fps in WvW and about 30fps in PVE, I am willing to change my current PC to Intel.

Let me start of on what I am looking to buy:

MB: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-3770K
Ram: Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit, Vengeance LP, XMP

And maybe: XFX HD7970 Double Dissipation GHz Ed. (FX-797G-TDFC)

And this is my current system:

MB: MSI 890FXA-GD65 890FX
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 3300 AM3
GPU: XFX 2GB D5 X HD6950
Ram: Corsair D3 8GB 1333-999 XMS

Win7
PSU: XFX PRO650W Core Edition
Boot disk: Corsair SSD 64GB 130/215 Nova
Storage: Western Digital 1TB WD1002FAEX Black
Gaming: Corsair SSD 180GB 515/550 Force3 25nm SA3

Il be using the current psu and ssd/hdd’s in the new system.

The moral problem I am having is that my current system is only 1,5years old. And I want to make sure that my new setup will give me a decent performance boost in WvW to justify its cost.

I am pretty sure that changing cpu/mb will do just that, if I am wrong, please do tell me before i buy. :P

What i am having doubts about tho is the GPU. Currently it really doesn’t matter if i run with high or low gw2 settings, the fps is the same (bf3 runs good on max settings in current pc)
So my question is: Would my current GPU be powerful enough in the new pc to run gw2 max settings?

Also, if you see anything wrong, have tips on better parts in the same price range, please do tell.
I am asking this here since I am not really uptodate about the latest and greatest, and what works best for gw2, I think some/allot of you are, or at least more informed then me.
Never hurts to ask right? :-)

Well even with the latest Intel processors, you aren’t going to get awesome frames in WvW. In the chaotic battles, with an overclock to 4.5Ghz, you’ll still only get 30 FPS. To some this is fine, to others its ridiculous that even the top end hardware available to consumers can’t pull more than 35 frames in the worst case scenario.

You can still stick with AMD if you aren’t fond of switching over to Intel. The FX 8350 overclocked to 4.5+Ghz can achieve close to the same performance in GW2 what an i5 3570K or i7 3770K overclocked to 4.5Ghz can do.

If you still want to go Intel, the i5 3570K is the most optimal CPU for GW2 on the Intel front due to the number of big threads GW2 uses and the price compared to the i7 variant. However, if you do video/audio encoding, the i7 3770K will be the better purchase.

I also don’t know if you want to wait for Intel’s new architecture, Haswell, to come out. It might lower the price of the Ivy Bridge processors. Haswell is due to debut in early June.

Your 6950 is close to a 560Ti according to what I’ve seen. So you should be able to toss everything to max besides super-sampling and get at least 30 frames.

U can also get a FX 8350 for that motherboard (u need to update bios to the lastest). Ur hd 6950 is allready more than enough to pull 100+ FPS on this game at the highest setting at 1080p.
So my recomendation would be selling ur 1100t on Ebay it should sell at 100$ at least, then buy the FX 8320 or FX8350. It is a very cheap upgrade and will probably give u good results for the money.

As other have mentioned.. u can get a FX 8350 for good performance boost so long as it gets OC’d. The 3770k will give u more performance at the same OC, but probably only on average about 5 FPS when both get bogged down in WvW..so for example AMD 25-30, Intel 30-35 FPS, and it costs a ‘tad’ more :P

The 6950 wont manage max setting, its a tad under a 560ti.. and from my personaly experiance even a 560ti with a big OC maxes out frequently at near max settings (No SS, Reflections down, Shadows down). Nvidia’s 700 series GPU ‘should’ be releasing around march/april time so u can ether stay with what u got, or upgrade now but dont spend ot much ..say a AMD Sapphire 7870XT (make sure its the XT/tahiti LE with 1536 shader cores), as good as a 660ti/7950 but slightly cheaper.

Intel’s new haswell tech is due out, but its months away still so since ur fed up i sugest biting the bullet so to speak and upgrade now.

If i had to choose i would go Intel for the extra peformance.. ur obviosly looking at spending a good chunk of change so mightaswell go for the best performance and throw price:performance ratio’s out the window ..i know i did when i upgraded :P

Ur gunna need a new CPU cooler most likely, I sugest ether going top end air cooling, or top end closed water loop ..or going all out and building urself a custom water loop.

if u go high end air then i sugest the Noctua NH-D14, its the dady of air coolers, super quiet even on max RPM and cools brilliantly. However…. u will need to get different RAM, u cant use tall RAM like most the corsair range. Get a set of G.Skill ram, or mushkin they have a low enough profile. Also make sure to get a dual channel kit (2×4 or 2×8) as the 3770k is dual channel.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2261855 just something to keep in mind if you go intel(read the thread)

the d14 or silver arrow coolers are the best (the silver arrow is a bit better but sometimes is hard to fine) they are both beastly air coolers.

another good air option is the Xigmatek Aegir, its cheaper, comes pretty close in perf and with dual decent fans in push/pull it works wonderfully for 4.6-4.8 out of an 8350.

not sure what country your in, if its the states, we could suggest a few things with pcpartspicker

actually it seems at least for amd, the Aegir is better.
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm
if you get an Aegir, add 2 akasa viper 120mm fans(they kick kitten !!)

Thanks for all the reply’s!
I consider going to 30-35fps (worst case WvW) to be a major upgrade, even tho it should be more, but thats the game’s fault :o

I am from The Netherlands btw, so i guess it also doesn’t help that I play on a NA server, lol.

I should have mentioned that i am not looking at buying another AMD, I kinda lost faith in it after the current failure.

So i will stick with the 3770K since june is to far away to wait for haswell. I am however going to take your advice on a better cpu cooler.
It will be the be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 2, since its supposed cool 2 degrees more for the same price as the d14 (and it looks better :P)

Also changed ram to a dual channel 2×8 G.Skill ARES 16 GB DDR3-1600 Kit (its nice and low so it should fit)

Thanks again, the order is in, now the wait begins

(i really should have made this topic a bit sooner :o )

Vizier.3164:

Thanks for all the reply’s!
I consider going to 30-35fps (worst case WvW) to be a major upgrade, even tho it should be more, but thats the game’s fault :o

I am from The Netherlands btw, so i guess it also doesn’t help that I play on a NA server, lol.

I should have mentioned that i am not looking at buying another AMD, I kinda lost faith in it after the current failure.

So i will stick with the 3770K since june is to far away to wait for haswell. I am however going to take your advice on a better cpu cooler.
It will be the be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 2, since its supposed cool 2 degrees more for the same price as the d14 (and it looks better :P)

Also changed ram to a dual channel 2×8 G.Skill ARES 16 GB DDR3-1600 Kit (its nice and low so it should fit)

Thanks again, the order is in, now the wait begins

(i really should have made this topic a bit sooner :o )

I would not bother if i was you, It’s the games engine that’s seriously flawed not your 1.5 year old system, save ya money up and just get a new pc in about 2 years or so : )

Vizier.3164:

Hi there,

Since I am quite sick of getting 10~15fps in WvW and about 30fps in PVE, I am willing to change my current PC to Intel.

Let me start of on what I am looking to buy:

MB: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-3770K
Ram: Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit, Vengeance LP, XMP

And maybe: XFX HD7970 Double Dissipation GHz Ed. (FX-797G-TDFC)

And this is my current system:

MB: MSI 890FXA-GD65 890FX
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 3300 AM3
GPU: XFX 2GB D5 X HD6950
Ram: Corsair D3 8GB 1333-999 XMS

Win7
PSU: XFX PRO650W Core Edition
Boot disk: Corsair SSD 64GB 130/215 Nova
Storage: Western Digital 1TB WD1002FAEX Black
Gaming: Corsair SSD 180GB 515/550 Force3 25nm SA3

Il be using the current psu and ssd/hdd’s in the new system.

The moral problem I am having is that my current system is only 1,5years old. And I want to make sure that my new setup will give me a decent performance boost in WvW to justify its cost.

I am pretty sure that changing cpu/mb will do just that, if I am wrong, please do tell me before i buy. :P

What i am having doubts about tho is the GPU. Currently it really doesn’t matter if i run with high or low gw2 settings, the fps is the same (bf3 runs good on max settings in current pc)
So my question is: Would my current GPU be powerful enough in the new pc to run gw2 max settings?

Also, if you see anything wrong, have tips on better parts in the same price range, please do tell.
I am asking this here since I am not really uptodate about the latest and greatest, and what works best for gw2, I think some/allot of you are, or at least more informed then me.
Never hurts to ask right? :-)

Wait for NVIDIA titan(aka 7XX series). You can thank me later.

i7 is a must. Extreme if $$ is there.

Fuzzion.2504:

Vizier.3164:

Hi there,

Since I am quite sick of getting 10~15fps in WvW and about 30fps in PVE, I am willing to change my current PC to Intel.

Let me start of on what I am looking to buy:

MB: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-3770K
Ram: Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit, Vengeance LP, XMP

And maybe: XFX HD7970 Double Dissipation GHz Ed. (FX-797G-TDFC)

And this is my current system:

MB: MSI 890FXA-GD65 890FX
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 3300 AM3
GPU: XFX 2GB D5 X HD6950
Ram: Corsair D3 8GB 1333-999 XMS

Win7
PSU: XFX PRO650W Core Edition
Boot disk: Corsair SSD 64GB 130/215 Nova
Storage: Western Digital 1TB WD1002FAEX Black
Gaming: Corsair SSD 180GB 515/550 Force3 25nm SA3

Il be using the current psu and ssd/hdd’s in the new system.

The moral problem I am having is that my current system is only 1,5years old. And I want to make sure that my new setup will give me a decent performance boost in WvW to justify its cost.

I am pretty sure that changing cpu/mb will do just that, if I am wrong, please do tell me before i buy. :P

What i am having doubts about tho is the GPU. Currently it really doesn’t matter if i run with high or low gw2 settings, the fps is the same (bf3 runs good on max settings in current pc)
So my question is: Would my current GPU be powerful enough in the new pc to run gw2 max settings?

Also, if you see anything wrong, have tips on better parts in the same price range, please do tell.
I am asking this here since I am not really uptodate about the latest and greatest, and what works best for gw2, I think some/allot of you are, or at least more informed then me.
Never hurts to ask right? :-)

Wait for NVIDIA titan(aka 7XX series). You can thank me later.

i7 is a must. Extreme if $$ is there.

Firstly, the Titan is not part of the 600 series or the 700 series, it’s off on its own. Its much more horsepower than GW2 requires since its more powerful than a GTX 680.

As awesome as the i7 is, with current gaming, a normal quad-core is fine which is what current i5’s are. However, if you can actually use more than a quad-core then the i7 is worth it, but most games don’t take advantage of this yet. You’ll see a benefit when you’re audio/video encoding when using an i7 versus an i5 but other than that not much.

Guild Wars 2 doesn’t Crossfire or SLI… I don’t think there will ever be a fix for it. I believe its a poorly coded game. I am frustrated with two HD 5870’s that don’t crossfire, so I emailed for tech support and here is the response. (note that I was very frustrated) lol. – FYI – AMD UPDATES, MICROSOFT UPDATES, and NVIDIA UPDATES don’t help at all. Even AMD’s CAP2 updates doesn’t help.
I wrote:
I have an AMD FX 8150 with 16gb Ram, 2 SSD in Riad 0, and Two ATI HD 5870 Graphics Cards. Crossfire doesn’t help in the slightest over 1 card. I have newest drivers, just like most other posts like this one, but still no success. I have tried other games and benchmarks which crossfire perfectly with no issues, simple and straight to the point. Guild Wars 2 however doesn’t like crossfire. I have read from a random comment that Guild Wars 2 is built off of the Guild Wars 1 game engine. I noticed Guild Wars 1 doesn’t crossfire either. Seems like poor coding or no concern for people who have SLI or Crossfire. I find it sad that ArenaNet is suggesting Microsoft Updates, Nvidia Updates, and AMD Updates when every other game out there works fine. Seems to me ArenaNet should have built Guild Wars 2 off of the Battlefield FROSTBITE engine or the CRYTEK Crysis 2 engine…. They are so much smoother than this crummy game engine. I am frustrated that every other game works in crossfire but this one. I tried everything and its not NVIDIA, AMD, or MICROSOFT…its ARENANET’S poor coding and lack of caring for their customers or lack of knowledge on SLI or CROSSFIRE. Maybe Guild Wars 3 will get it right. This is the 21st Century….try and act like your in it!
The Reply was:
Thank you for contacting NCSOFT Technical Support.
I apologize for any inconvenience and frustration this issue may have caused you but please understand that Guild Wars 2 is very CPU intensive and so often times an SLI or Crossfire configuration will not show much of a performance boost in game. I would recommend updating your CAP files as well as this has been known to improve performance somewhat. Additionally, we appreciate any feedback and suggestions that you have in regards to the game, however, this is the Technical Support Department and so we have no involvement with the coding of the game. I would recommend posting your feedback to the Suggestions threads of the official forums as the Development Team does look at these.
Again, I apologize for any inconvenience this issue may cause you but should you have any additional questions please don’t hesitate to let us know.
Regards,
Ashe
NCsoft Technical Support
In Summary:
In my opinion there is not a CPU out there that won’t cost your an arm or leg to play Guild Wars 2 nicely above 60fps consistently. They should have offloaded more to the GPU and not on the CPU as Dual GPU’s are cheaper than having to buy a $1000 cpu to be playable. Maybe in 5-10 years the CPU’s then will run Guild Wars 2 properly and be affordable.

U wrong u won’t get good performance even with 1000$ CPU, no CPU u can buy can posibly deliver good frames in this game, u would have to spend millions in order to intel or AMD develop a special custom made CPU for this game :P a ultra fast 7 or 8ghz dualcore CPU is what u need. 4,6,8,10 core s are totally useless since the game is probably the most straight forward single threaded game i have seen in years.

Conan Of Rottingham: sli and crossfire work fine, I have used CFX on my 6870’s and 7870’s no problems, its not gpu tahts the issue, its 100% cpu related.

if you wanted to see high fps, you would need a 6-8ghz range tricore cpu from amd or intel’s current gen….even then you wouldnt see a consistant 60+fps i bet….

Vizier.3164:

I should have mentioned that i am not looking at buying another AMD, I kinda lost faith in it after the current failure.

what failure? honestly, piledriver is a great gaming platform for the price, it trades blows well with intel at the same price point, its faster if you want to stream/record as you game(think fraps or xsplit or even xfire), its faster at heavly threaded apps.

your current rig just needs overclocked, most of those chips hit around 4ghz, not sure how well that board you got overclocks but….you just need to give it a go.

overclockers.net or xtremesystems will help you get the most out of that chip you have now.

Bulldozer was not a fail despite the reviews, it sold very well and in some apps, it was better then the intel at the same price, it was fail if all you do is gaming, but my 8120 never struggled to give playable fps in this game(it was also at 4.5-4.6)

This piledriver/Vishera is a beast, sure its not as fast as a 3770k@4.6 but guess what, it was alot cheaper to, ALOT cheaper, and as SN says, worst you will see is 5fps difference.

in more modern games using engines designed for todays hardware, like bf3, amd’s current chips kick kitten compared to intels options at the same price…..

intels chip at the price i paid for mine is the 3470, that really cant be overclocked very far or very easily, the 3570k cost more and could be overclocked but, it would also still be slower in highly threaded apps like encoding(i do alot of encoding), I say this having tested both using the same software and settings.(3770k dosnt help, the HT just overloads the cores making it as much as 30% slower then the 3570k with some types of encoding like batch audio)

not trying to attack you, but, this image that amd’s cpus are total fail is just not deserved…..

the 6300’s overclock very very well, and are faster then intels at the same clock in anything threaded…..

the 4300’s kitten pillage and plunder inlets equally priced chips at anything that uses more then 2 heavy threads (HT tends to overload the cores in some games)
also, the 4300’s are kitten easy to overclock we got one to 4.8 at 1.4volts on a stock 8120 cooler……thats pretty impressive if you ask me, and it playes gw2 fine…..not as well as my chip but hey, it was under 100bucks when he got (98shipped) show me an intel at that price that can match that deal…

good luck, im gonna go watch some night court and eat me some lunch

Rampage.7145:

U wrong u won’t get good performance even with 1000$ CPU, no CPU u can buy can posibly deliver good frames in this game, u would have to spend millions in order to intel or AMD develop a special custom made CPU for this game :P a ultra fast 7 or 8ghz dualcore CPU is what u need. 4,6,8,10 core s are totally useless since the game is probably the most straight forward single threaded game i have seen in years.

its tri-threaded so what anet need to do is team up with a cpu maker to get a tricore chip at 7-8ghz out thats a “guild wars 2 edition” that would help….would also make telling people what to get for gw2 easy….lol

It really depends where you buy the processors. If you’re in luck like me and have a Microcenter close by, then the i5 3570K and the 8350 are the same price. Then, the 3770K is only 40 bucks more.

sadly most of us dont got a microcenter near by, if i did, i would have an auria!!!
http://www.microcenter.com/product/384780/EQ276W_27_IPS_LED_Monitor

oh well, monoprice will start having similar monitors next month, so i will be able to grab one from them if pinch my pennies

we got a frys like an hour drive away….(less if traffic is light) but their deals are mostly combo’s with bad boards……

Vizier.3164:

Hi there,

Since I am quite sick of getting 10~15fps in WvW and about 30fps in PVE, I am willing to change my current PC to Intel.

Let me start of on what I am looking to buy:

MB: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-3770K
Ram: Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit, Vengeance LP, XMP

And maybe: XFX HD7970 Double Dissipation GHz Ed. (FX-797G-TDFC)

And this is my current system:

MB: MSI 890FXA-GD65 890FX
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 3300 AM3
GPU: XFX 2GB D5 X HD6950
Ram: Corsair D3 8GB 1333-999 XMS

Win7
PSU: XFX PRO650W Core Edition
Boot disk: Corsair SSD 64GB 130/215 Nova
Storage: Western Digital 1TB WD1002FAEX Black
Gaming: Corsair SSD 180GB 515/550 Force3 25nm SA3

Il be using the current psu and ssd/hdd’s in the new system.

The moral problem I am having is that my current system is only 1,5years old. And I want to make sure that my new setup will give me a decent performance boost in WvW to justify its cost.

I am pretty sure that changing cpu/mb will do just that, if I am wrong, please do tell me before i buy. :P

What i am having doubts about tho is the GPU. Currently it really doesn’t matter if i run with high or low gw2 settings, the fps is the same (bf3 runs good on max settings in current pc)
So my question is: Would my current GPU be powerful enough in the new pc to run gw2 max settings?

Also, if you see anything wrong, have tips on better parts in the same price range, please do tell.
I am asking this here since I am not really uptodate about the latest and greatest, and what works best for gw2, I think some/allot of you are, or at least more informed then me.
Never hurts to ask right? :-)

This is all you need to spend. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECrV

zerk.9701:

Vizier.3164:

Hi there,

Since I am quite sick of getting 10~15fps in WvW and about 30fps in PVE, I am willing to change my current PC to Intel.

Let me start of on what I am looking to buy:

MB: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-3770K
Ram: Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit, Vengeance LP, XMP

And maybe: XFX HD7970 Double Dissipation GHz Ed. (FX-797G-TDFC)

And this is my current system:

MB: MSI 890FXA-GD65 890FX
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 3300 AM3
GPU: XFX 2GB D5 X HD6950
Ram: Corsair D3 8GB 1333-999 XMS

Win7
PSU: XFX PRO650W Core Edition
Boot disk: Corsair SSD 64GB 130/215 Nova
Storage: Western Digital 1TB WD1002FAEX Black
Gaming: Corsair SSD 180GB 515/550 Force3 25nm SA3

Il be using the current psu and ssd/hdd’s in the new system.

The moral problem I am having is that my current system is only 1,5years old. And I want to make sure that my new setup will give me a decent performance boost in WvW to justify its cost.

I am pretty sure that changing cpu/mb will do just that, if I am wrong, please do tell me before i buy. :P

What i am having doubts about tho is the GPU. Currently it really doesn’t matter if i run with high or low gw2 settings, the fps is the same (bf3 runs good on max settings in current pc)
So my question is: Would my current GPU be powerful enough in the new pc to run gw2 max settings?

Also, if you see anything wrong, have tips on better parts in the same price range, please do tell.
I am asking this here since I am not really uptodate about the latest and greatest, and what works best for gw2, I think some/allot of you are, or at least more informed then me.
Never hurts to ask right? :-)

This is all you need to spend. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECrV

not really
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECwn
is all he really needs, just noticed his ram sucks (1333mhz…..some of it can oc like mad but….thats the most likely thing to hold back getting that thing to 4ghz range, and 4ghz would help alot!!!!)

I thought id give a little update.

Yesterday all the parts where deliverer and I put them together.

I am now running maxed out graphics in WvW with 50 fps normal fights, even higher when roaming, and it drops down to 40ish in zerg vs zerg fights.
If I drop the settings to low, fps reaches 100+

I have not overclocked anything yet.

This is a massive difference, it is so much easier to keep track of whats going on, I almost feel like I am cheating.

Thanks to all off you that spend time giving me advice.

Vizier: if you have fully abandoned that amd rig, you should ebay the parts or hop on xtremesystems or overclockers.net and put them up for sale, there are alot of people who would LOVE to buy that 1100t off you, probably for more then you paid for it.

Jazhara Knightmage.4389:

Vizier: if you have fully abandoned that amd rig, you should ebay the parts or hop on xtremesystems or overclockers.net and put them up for sale, there are alot of people who would LOVE to buy that 1100t off you, probably for more then you paid for it.

Indeed, that is a very good idea

yeah people LOVE the 1100t, if it wasnt for the fact i have an 3850,8120 and 1055t i would be interested in it :P

Thx, will do

Rampage.7145:

U can also get a FX 8350 for that motherboard (u need to update bios to the lastest). Ur hd 6950 is allready more than enough to pull 100+ FPS on this game at the highest setting at 1080p.
So my recomendation would be selling ur 1100t on Ebay it should sell at 100$ at least, then buy the FX 8320 or FX8350. It is a very cheap upgrade and will probably give u good results for the money.

He isn’t going to get 100+ frames if he gets a FX 8350 using his 6950. I don’t even get close to that using the 8350 and a 6970 oc. Guild Wars 2 is poorly optimized for AMD cpus.

Aza, its not “poorly optimized for AMD cpus.” its just flat out poorly optimized, or as many people I know put it its “de-optimized for modern computers” and he could staring at the sky….or ground :P(get 100+fps)

even people with intel get crap fps, you need to read more in this section to get it clearly, its not that they didnt optimize for amd, its that they didnt optimize at all….

that kinda happens when you build a game with dreams of a console port, then find out that the games to heavy for that console…

hes already been convinced that amd are trash o really nothing more to say, he can sell his amd stuff, and go intel, and when the time comes he can pop the cap on his 3770k and toss some proper TIM under it… http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2261855 since the stuff used is trash and is already dried out on shipment….

20c temp drop from replacing TIM…..

I dont think you can be a fanboy of ANY processor company in regards to the travesty that is GW2.
I have pretty much given up on Anet regarding performance.
Noone should have to get a i7 3770k to play this game, that is just kittening ridiculous.

Stormcrow.7513:

I dont think you can be a fanboy of ANY processor company in regards to the travesty that is GW2.
I have pretty much given up on Anet regarding performance.
Noone should have to get a i7 3770k to play this game, that is just kittening ridiculous.

naa you shouldnt have to get an i7 or fx series and overclock them to get the game to play semi smooth….

Look at this game you could build a system using intel top end parts that cost in excess of 16,600.00 usd…..thats IN BLOODY SANE…..

I dont care who you are.

also dont see how its fanboi/fanboy to mention the travesty that is the TIM under the IHS of ivybridge chips.

lol I don’t think I would have the stones to replace the TIM under any circumstances :P

I would, but, i have done that stuff before…still think its funny that they used such cheap horrible stuff…even amd back in the day didnt use stuff that was this bad…

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2261855

try reading that, and no, you shouldnt have to do that to get reasonable temps but, as you see….you do…..(20c drop from just swapping the tim…WTF)

I read the article lol. hammer ftw!
I would be too worried about scratching the die :P
Your right tho there is no reason to not use quality TIM, 20c is a whackload!

the worst part is, they do this on all the ivybridge chips, I could see it on low end models or even all locked ones, but on the K chips, the ones for enthusists, they should have stuck to fluxless solder as they did with past generations….(the x series are all sandybridge based and are solder, thus run alot cooler)