Guild Wars 2

I had a 4670K (at 4GHz) and played GW2 for a short period of time (about two months ago) before selling it. Prior to that, I had a Phenom II X4 @ 3.3GHz, and the 4670K was a real nice performance boost.

I’m getting a 8350 in the near future though, and was curious as to what kind of performance I should expect from it. Will it be comparable to the 4670K?

It will worsen performance. The AMD FX-8350 is good in Multithreading, but lacks everything else in Single-Threading.

Single-Threaded performance is actually the most relevant indicator for everything that still uses DX9 (and thus for GW2 as well)

Keep the Intel Core i5 4670K.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html

FX-8350: 1509 Single Threaded Points | Overall: 9024
i5-4670K: 2220 Single Threaded Points | Overall: 7723

Though the FX-8350 might be a slight boost in overall performance, it will do worse in single threaded applications which most DirectX9 games are. Unless you plan to play DX11 (and only DX11) games with enabled multi-threading, you should not change.

EDIT: You have sold a better CPU than you are planning to get! Bad idea.

wait until amd release a new micro-architecture in 2016. Dont buy vishera, intel has better cpus

Sounds like you had the marketing labeled Phenom II X4 850 which is really an Athlon II X4 because of the lack of the L3 cache.

So 1118 Single Threaded | Overall: 3552

I’ve seen the game average around 2 to 3 cores worth of work during the game so if we scale the overall numbers to that we get

i5-4670K | 3861 – 5792
FX-8350 | 2256 – 3384
PII 850 | 1776 – 2664

So likely better than the Phenom II you had by a little bit but significantly worse the the i5.

Now that will be seen more in large player events rather than smaller events like dungeons.

Speaking as someone who actually owns an 8350, it’s not as terrible as everyone makes it out to be. Sure, I don’t run with absolutely everything maxed at the moment, but most of the options are and I have yet to encounter any situation where I feel my processing power is insufficient.

That said, I won’t argue that the i5 performs better in single-threaded applications, which does include GW2. I’m just saying it’s perfectly fine assuming your other hardware is also up to scratch.

Well there is a supposed performance optimization coming in next week’s patch so things can only get better.

That being said, 8350 isn’t bad at all, specially if you stream your gaming session.

Espionage.3685:

I had a 4670K (at 4GHz) and played GW2 for a short period of time (about two months ago) before selling it. Prior to that, I had a Phenom II X4 @ 3.3GHz, and the 4670K was a real nice performance boost.

I’m getting a 8350 in the near future though, and was curious as to what kind of performance I should expect from it. Will it be comparable to the 4670K?

in short dont.

FX8350 is a much older CPU on a socket that is dying out (being phased out), it is 65% slower then current gen Haswell CPUs (even more on a K OC’d to 4.6ghz), and uses A LOT more power/cooling then the haswell CPUs.

so..stay with the 4670K (or if you are buying, get a 4690K as the update is better then the orginal Haswell K’s)

sirsquishy.8531:

so..stay with the 4670K (or if you are buying, get a 4690K as the update is better then the orginal Haswell K’s)

I already sold off the 4670K, and bought the 8350. I didn’t buy it purely for gaming though, but was just wondering what to expect out of it.

Wasn’t a big fan of some of Intel’s decisions with the 4670K and H97 chipset I had (no VT-d but still charge a premium, poor temperatures, awkward chipset conditions) and decided to go with a platform free of those issues (I hear the 8350 can run hot though, but at least the contact between the IHS and die is decent).

Espionage.3685:

sirsquishy.8531:

so..stay with the 4670K (or if you are buying, get a 4690K as the update is better then the orginal Haswell K’s)

I already sold off the 4670K, and bought the 8350. I didn’t buy it purely for gaming though, but was just wondering what to expect out of it.

Wasn’t a big fan of some of Intel’s decisions with the 4670K and H97 chipset I had (no VT-d but still charge a premium, poor temperatures, awkward chipset conditions) and decided to go with a platform free of those issues (I hear the 8350 can run hot though, but at least the contact between the IHS and die is decent).

While the 4670K and 4770K did not have VT-d, and had HIS issues under the lid, they resolved most of them with the 4690K and 4790K. Both of the kitten’s support VT-d and offer better cooling (my 4790K sits at 52-53 C’s with my giant air cooler).

My advice, in all honesty, dump the FX cpu and buy back into intel. AMD retired AM3 this year and AM3+ is next. There are no more new CPUs for the AM3+ socket. and the FX CPUs are just bad IMHO. They cost the same as a standard i5 and offer 1/2 of the performance.

sirsquishy.8531:

Espionage.3685:

sirsquishy.8531:

so..stay with the 4670K (or if you are buying, get a 4690K as the update is better then the orginal Haswell K’s)

I already sold off the 4670K, and bought the 8350. I didn’t buy it purely for gaming though, but was just wondering what to expect out of it.

Wasn’t a big fan of some of Intel’s decisions with the 4670K and H97 chipset I had (no VT-d but still charge a premium, poor temperatures, awkward chipset conditions) and decided to go with a platform free of those issues (I hear the 8350 can run hot though, but at least the contact between the IHS and die is decent).

While the 4670K and 4770K did not have VT-d, and had HIS issues under the lid, they resolved most of them with the 4690K and 4790K. Both of the kitten’s support VT-d and offer better cooling (my 4790K sits at 52-53 C’s with my giant air cooler).

My advice, in all honesty, dump the FX cpu and buy back into intel. AMD retired AM3 this year and AM3+ is next. There are no more new CPUs for the AM3+ socket. and the FX CPUs are just bad IMHO. They cost the same as a standard i5 and offer 1/2 of the performance.

I hear there are still some temperature issues (not as-bad, but still) and people delidding for significantly better temperatures with the 4690K.

As for performance, my (general) understanding is that Intel only benefits from single-threaded performance (with comparable CPUs) and AMD does great at multi-threaded. I did plan on doing some video encoding and having a transcoding server in the future, and possibly some streaming. May also play with some virtualization; but all of those things would be nice with some more CPU cores.

Also, I thought it was mentioned somewhere that AMD had a few new FX-series CPUs being announced soon with lower TDP? I think I heard of a revised 8350 (with different model number) that used 95W, but I could be mistaken.

Espionage.3685:

sirsquishy.8531:

Espionage.3685:

sirsquishy.8531:

so..stay with the 4670K (or if you are buying, get a 4690K as the update is better then the orginal Haswell K’s)

I already sold off the 4670K, and bought the 8350. I didn’t buy it purely for gaming though, but was just wondering what to expect out of it.

Wasn’t a big fan of some of Intel’s decisions with the 4670K and H97 chipset I had (no VT-d but still charge a premium, poor temperatures, awkward chipset conditions) and decided to go with a platform free of those issues (I hear the 8350 can run hot though, but at least the contact between the IHS and die is decent).

While the 4670K and 4770K did not have VT-d, and had HIS issues under the lid, they resolved most of them with the 4690K and 4790K. Both of the kitten’s support VT-d and offer better cooling (my 4790K sits at 52-53 C’s with my giant air cooler).

My advice, in all honesty, dump the FX cpu and buy back into intel. AMD retired AM3 this year and AM3+ is next. There are no more new CPUs for the AM3+ socket. and the FX CPUs are just bad IMHO. They cost the same as a standard i5 and offer 1/2 of the performance.

I hear there are still some temperature issues (not as-bad, but still) and people delidding for significantly better temperatures with the 4690K.

As for performance, my (general) understanding is that Intel only benefits from single-threaded performance (with comparable CPUs) and AMD does great at multi-threaded. I did plan on doing some video encoding and having a transcoding server in the future, and possibly some streaming. May also play with some virtualization; but all of those things would be nice with some more CPU cores.

Also, I thought it was mentioned somewhere that AMD had a few new FX-series CPUs being announced soon with lower TDP? I think I heard of a revised 8350 (with different model number) that used 95W, but I could be mistaken.

I have a 4790K and with a Prolimatch GNSS I am seeing less then 66c’s(Prime95-Blend) with an OC of 4.6ghz@1.25v. That is pretty average for the K’s. And I have not delidded that CPU.

I have a 4670K that is delidded (long story short, the original 4670K i had died due to a H100i failure, became unstable. Did the OC warranty), and it runs at 63c’s on a Hyper 212evo at 4.0ghz@auto (1.125v~)

There was an announcement back when AMD end of life the AM3’s, that there would be no more new FX based AM3+ CPUs. The last was the FX9590. IF they release a new line of lower TDP FX that would be great. But seeing how the FX line is doing compared to haswell, I wouldnt hold my breath.

AMD have released slightly better FX CPUs, the -8370 and lower wattage -8370e. The -8370 bumps maximum turbo to 4.3GHz from 4.2GHz while the -8370e lowers the base clock from 4.0GHz to 3.3GHz while maintaining the 4.3GHz turbo but uses 30 watts less power.

Yes it’s a very minor update. The limitations of the FX- series is clearly illustrated in the Cinebench charts on this page (bottom) where the 8 core FX-8370e almost matches the 4 core i5-4590 in the multi-thread test but is seriously spanked in the single thread test.

http://techreport.com/review/26996/amd-fx-8370e-processor-reviewed/6

AMD is going to discontinue the 8350 soon and release the 8370, with slightly more clock speed (only like 100mhz at non turbo). It may be a good time to look for deals. Recently I saw it for $149.99. The energy efficient version however, the 8370E, will get comparable results to the 8350, but not as much as the 8370. Vishera is best with higher clock rates, and the 8370 being clocked lower means it performs less, until it ramps up into the turbo speed.

After GW2 (and Aion, which I hope to try), I will no longer be playing poorly optimized MMOs. They need multithreading most. I could be playing something else with better performance with cheaper hardware.

Unpredictability.4086:

AMD is going to discontinue the 8350 soon and release the 8370, with slightly more clock speed (only like 100mhz at non turbo). It may be a good time to look for deals. Recently I saw it for $149.99. The energy efficient version however, the 8370E, will get comparable results to the 8350, but not as much as the 8370. Vishera is best with higher clock rates, and the 8370 being clocked lower means it performs less, until it ramps up into the turbo speed.

Yeah, seems like I just choose bad times to decide to upgrade my hardware. I paid $174 for my 8350 new, but the price will probably drop a bit.

When I had the 4670K, I purchased it about a week before the 4690K came out for the same price. I don’t have the patience to wait for things :p

Behellagh.1468:

AMD have released slightly better FX CPUs, the -8370 and lower wattage -8370e. The -8370 bumps maximum turbo to 4.3GHz from 4.2GHz while the -8370e lowers the base clock from 4.0GHz to 3.3GHz while maintaining the 4.3GHz turbo but uses 30 watts less power.

Yes it’s a very minor update. The limitations of the FX- series is clearly illustrated in the Cinebench charts on this page (bottom) where the 8 core FX-8370e almost matches the 4 core i5-4590 in the multi-thread test but is seriously spanked in the single thread test.

http://techreport.com/review/26996/amd-fx-8370e-processor-reviewed/6

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_8370_and_8370e_processor_review,19.html

I like this review better. Shows that on Multithreading the 8370e(@4.7ghz) is VERY close to the i7 4770k(Stock), but on single threading its close to the G3258

Basically, if you are going to buy a ‘new’ AM3+ CPU, these benchmarks are saying to buy a FX-8370 and plan to OC it at 4.7+Ghz.

very intesting stuff…

edit meant the 8370 and not the 8370e

Espionage.3685:

I already sold off the 4670K, and bought the 8350. I didn’t buy it purely for gaming though

I think a lot of people on this forum (and other game-focused forums, for that matter) cannot really grasp this concept. Using a CPU for something other than games? Preposterous! Pinheaded! Poppyc- no, wait, can’t say that because of censoring. Poppykittens do sound interesting though.

Yeah, if you’re planning to do other stuff, particularly video encoding and the like (which I’ve worked with myself for a year), I’d strongly recommend sacrificing a bit of single-threaded power in favor of multi-threading. And like I said before, the 8350 works just fine with GW2. I reckon you’ll see a small dip in performance, but not enough to make you say “this game is unplayable now”.

In realtime situations,gaming there really won;t be much difference espec if you own a proper gpu to back that cpu up and espec if you oc the 8350,which they are made to do for.

Jigain.8231:

Espionage.3685:

I already sold off the 4670K, and bought the 8350. I didn’t buy it purely for gaming though

I think a lot of people on this forum (and other game-focused forums, for that matter) cannot really grasp this concept. Using a CPU for something other than games? Preposterous! Pinheaded! Poppyc- no, wait, can’t say that because of censoring. Poppykittens do sound interesting though.

Yeah, if you’re planning to do other stuff, particularly video encoding and the like (which I’ve worked with myself for a year), I’d strongly recommend sacrificing a bit of single-threaded power in favor of multi-threading. And like I said before, the 8350 works just fine with GW2. I reckon you’ll see a small dip in performance, but not enough to make you say “this game is unplayable now”.

There are a lot of reasons why I still wouldn’t run a 8350 AMD CPU, and most of them are not only gaming. The TDP and Wattage of that 8 core CPU vs the performance of the Intel offerings is one reason.

Another reason is the FX8370e :-) Yes, I would totally sell off a FX8350 and buy a FX8370e when those new cpus ship.

sirsquishy.8531:

Jigain.8231:

Espionage.3685:

I already sold off the 4670K, and bought the 8350. I didn’t buy it purely for gaming though

I think a lot of people on this forum (and other game-focused forums, for that matter) cannot really grasp this concept. Using a CPU for something other than games? Preposterous! Pinheaded! Poppyc- no, wait, can’t say that because of censoring. Poppykittens do sound interesting though.

Yeah, if you’re planning to do other stuff, particularly video encoding and the like (which I’ve worked with myself for a year), I’d strongly recommend sacrificing a bit of single-threaded power in favor of multi-threading. And like I said before, the 8350 works just fine with GW2. I reckon you’ll see a small dip in performance, but not enough to make you say “this game is unplayable now”.

There are a lot of reasons why I still wouldn’t run a 8350 AMD CPU, and most of them are not only gaming. The TDP and Wattage of that 8 core CPU vs the performance of the Intel offerings is one reason.

Another reason is the FX8370e :-) Yes, I would totally sell off a FX8350 and buy a FX8370e when those new cpus ship.

It amounts to like 5-6$ difference a year in your electric bill compared to an i5, a better part to save electricity on is the GPU.

That being said, benchmarks show 8370e is 3-4 FPS lower than the regular version and 1-2 FPS lower than the 8350 so you’re better off with the non e 8370 or 8350.

Izaya.2906:

sirsquishy.8531:

Jigain.8231:

Espionage.3685:

I already sold off the 4670K, and bought the 8350. I didn’t buy it purely for gaming though

I think a lot of people on this forum (and other game-focused forums, for that matter) cannot really grasp this concept. Using a CPU for something other than games? Preposterous! Pinheaded! Poppyc- no, wait, can’t say that because of censoring. Poppykittens do sound interesting though.

Yeah, if you’re planning to do other stuff, particularly video encoding and the like (which I’ve worked with myself for a year), I’d strongly recommend sacrificing a bit of single-threaded power in favor of multi-threading. And like I said before, the 8350 works just fine with GW2. I reckon you’ll see a small dip in performance, but not enough to make you say “this game is unplayable now”.

There are a lot of reasons why I still wouldn’t run a 8350 AMD CPU, and most of them are not only gaming. The TDP and Wattage of that 8 core CPU vs the performance of the Intel offerings is one reason.

Another reason is the FX8370e :-) Yes, I would totally sell off a FX8350 and buy a FX8370e when those new cpus ship.

It amounts to like 5-6$ difference a year in your electric bill compared to an i5, a better part to save electricity on is the GPU.

That being said, benchmarks show 8370e is 3-4 FPS lower than the regular version and 1-2 FPS lower than the 8350 so you’re better off with the non e 8370 or 8350.

95w TDP, Overclocks extremely well;

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_8370_and_8370e_processor_review,19.html

its not about the power savings, its about the lower TDP (better Binning) and the better performance gains from Overclocking that CPU.

Lows = G3285 at stock
Highs = i7 4770K at stock

All in a 95w Package.

sirsquishy.8531:

Izaya.2906:

sirsquishy.8531:

Jigain.8231:

Espionage.3685:

I already sold off the 4670K, and bought the 8350. I didn’t buy it purely for gaming though

I think a lot of people on this forum (and other game-focused forums, for that matter) cannot really grasp this concept. Using a CPU for something other than games? Preposterous! Pinheaded! Poppyc- no, wait, can’t say that because of censoring. Poppykittens do sound interesting though.

Yeah, if you’re planning to do other stuff, particularly video encoding and the like (which I’ve worked with myself for a year), I’d strongly recommend sacrificing a bit of single-threaded power in favor of multi-threading. And like I said before, the 8350 works just fine with GW2. I reckon you’ll see a small dip in performance, but not enough to make you say “this game is unplayable now”.

There are a lot of reasons why I still wouldn’t run a 8350 AMD CPU, and most of them are not only gaming. The TDP and Wattage of that 8 core CPU vs the performance of the Intel offerings is one reason.

Another reason is the FX8370e :-) Yes, I would totally sell off a FX8350 and buy a FX8370e when those new cpus ship.

It amounts to like 5-6$ difference a year in your electric bill compared to an i5, a better part to save electricity on is the GPU.

That being said, benchmarks show 8370e is 3-4 FPS lower than the regular version and 1-2 FPS lower than the 8350 so you’re better off with the non e 8370 or 8350.

95w TDP, Overclocks extremely well;

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_8370_and_8370e_processor_review,19.html

its not about the power savings, its about the lower TDP (better Binning) and the better performance gains from Overclocking that CPU.

Lows = G3285 at stock
Highs = i7 4770K at stock

All in a 95w Package.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/amd_fx8370__fx8370be/3.htm

8350, 8370, 8370e all roughly hit 5ghz overclock and of course depends on your luck.

It may be just me but I don’t pick my CPU on OCing luck.

Behellagh.1468:

It may be just me but I don’t pick my CPU on OCing luck.

They are all based on the same architecture, even the 9590 and 9370 normally hits a wall at 5ghz.

Whether you hit more or less is silicon lottery.

I’ve only done a limited test, but my temps are actually significantly lower with the 8350 than the 4670K I had; at least with a quick stress.

Would go from 30C to 70C pretty quickly on the 4670K. Go from 30C to 40-45C on the 8350. Same cooler, same paste (AS5) and I think the 4670K even had time to properly cure (8350 is about 24 hours in).

Would have figured with the 8350’s hungry power reviews that temps would be more out of hand.

Espionage.3685:

I’ve only done a limited test, but my temps are actually significantly lower with the 8350 than the 4670K I had; at least with a quick stress.

Would go from 30C to 70C pretty quickly on the 4670K. Go from 30C to 40-45C on the 8350. Same cooler, same paste (AS5) and I think the 4670K even had time to properly cure (8350 is about 24 hours in).

Would have figured with the 8350’s hungry power reviews that temps would be more out of hand.

Which cooler are you using?

sirsquishy.8531:

Espionage.3685:

I’ve only done a limited test, but my temps are actually significantly lower with the 8350 than the 4670K I had; at least with a quick stress.

Would go from 30C to 70C pretty quickly on the 4670K. Go from 30C to 40-45C on the 8350. Same cooler, same paste (AS5) and I think the 4670K even had time to properly cure (8350 is about 24 hours in).

Would have figured with the 8350’s hungry power reviews that temps would be more out of hand.

Which cooler are you using?

DEEPCOOL Gamer Storm Lucifer V2.

Was using a Hyper 212 Plus on the 4670K prior to that cooler which also exhibited similar temperatures.

I just wanted to chip in here and say a response directly to the thread’s title. :P

“Going from 4670K to 8350, What to expect?”

Answer:

A severe drop in performance in Guild Wars 2.

I personally use an overclocked 3570k @4,5-4,6 for gaming rig and im not quite satisfied /w gw2 performance even @ higher res(4k) where the strain on the cpu is a lot lesser. Tried my GFs non overclocked fx8320 rig it’s running fairly same as my 3570k @4ghz at 1080p. TL/DR the game’s engine is kitten just stop spending more money to get better performance out of this game since whatever you do those severe FPS dips will be there when something exciting starts to happen on the screen..