Guild Wars 2

I Just bought the HD 7750 recently, I can play games like DOTA 2 at 45 – 60 fps constantly, however all i can reach in gw2 is 29 fps. usually its 17 – 22, and if i set the graphic settings to low the fps goes lower, installed the newest drivers yesterday. What should i do?,

Here’s my PC

Intel Pentium Dual Core E5300 2.4 ghz (ANCIENT, i know.)
ATI Radeon HD 7750 CORE
4GB Ram
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1

Help me please

and here’s a photo of GPU-Z while playing gw2

http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/14/02/02/7g5.png

http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/14/02/02/825.png

Thanks!

Don’t see the general point in having Windows 7 Ultimate personally. Waste of money haha. Pro is better. Anyway.

Your CPU I’d have to say should be the new minimum CPU for this game. If it was a quad core 2.4 GHz your FPS would surely be better.

I can’t spot any issue with your 7750. It’s running as it should.

Yeah, the issue is that CPU. As you can see your GPU is nowhere near maximum of it’s capability. Open up Task Manager while you run the game and see if either of the cores are hitting 100% (which I can almost guarantee they are). The only thing you really can do is to upgrade your CPU. You have to buy another motherboard as well then, though.

locx.6412:

You have to buy another motherboard as well then, though.

You could also check out places like Amazon or newegg or ebay for quad core versions of your CPU and see if your board supports it. I’d do that first if you’re not interested in spending too much for brand new hardware. A working refurb for little money is always nice haha. Or used, whichever.

Avelos.6798:

locx.6412:

You have to buy another motherboard as well then, though.

You could also check out places like Amazon or newegg or ebay for quad core versions of your CPU and see if your board supports it. I’d do that first if you’re not interested in spending too much for brand new hardware. A working refurb for little money is always nice haha. Or used, whichever.

Could be, but still the increase wouldn’t be huge. Depending on the motherboard the best CPU for it could bring maybe 30% per core power increase based on PassMark’s list. An upgrade to, say, 4670K (seeing the fanboyism yet? :P) would bring 2,2-2,5 times the performance.

What would actually be the wisest investment right now is a CPU cooler and overclocking that. The cooler could be used again when it’s time to replace, no money wasted.

Buying a new CPU is the only way? I’m not from USA and tech stuff here is pretty expensive, 4670k is 300 ~ 400 dollars arond here. is there another option? and if not wich mobo should i get?

Try my option. See if any vendors that you can buy from offer quad core processors that are compatible with your board.

Those are pretty much your only options, buy a new CPU/Motherboard (see if you can order it abroad cheaper), try to find another CPU that fits in your mobo (I don’t think all LGA775 processors go into every LGA775 board so you have to be careful) or buy a cooler and OC your current CPU. Only the first one would be a long-term solution, the last 2 would give you maybe 20-30% fps increase.

If i’m going to upgrade my pc, i wan’t to get what is good nowadays. I dont kow much about pc hardware, but i think that a 4670k is WAY better than a quad core that is compatible with my mobo, I will have to get a new mobo sometime, why dont do it now?
is the 4670k the only viable option?

Thanks!

And is the HD 7750 a good gpu, or it was a mistake to buy it?

It’s struggling to keep steady fps on high settings 1080p, but you can cope with it. You just have to mess with the graphics options a bit to see where’s the line between pleasing quality and playable framerate.

The game prefers more than two cores for optimal performance and your CPU is a tad on the low end of single core performance which it also likes. Depending on the motherboard and were you are, you may be able to find a faster and/or quad core CPU that can be used in that motherboard along with your RAM (I’m assuming it’s DDR2 where today everything is DDR3). Even the “classic” Q6600 quad core should work, guessing here, not enough info in your OP about your MB, and that’ll be a step up in performance. Of course faster is better and newer is better.

As for the HD 7750. It’s a fine starter gamer card for the money. Just don’t expect 60fps at 1920×1080 in games without turning the “pretty” down on newer games.

Whats the Gefore equivalent of it?

and thanks for the help!!

It’s tad below GTX 650.

I used to have Q6600 at 2.9 GHz (stock being 2.4) and it still gave me less than 20 fps in LA. Dungeons and open world were fine tho.

Of an HD 7750? GTX 650 I think but that might be a tad slower depending and the game and settings. nVidia isn’t know for it’s fine gradations in performance at the low end. The GTX 650Ti is significant overkill and there is nothing in the 7xx series that low end yet. The GTX 550Ti is similar to the GTX 650 in terms of performance.

Have you tried an older driver/rolling back to the one that had better performance?

Last I checked, the baseline GTX 650 is a rebrand of the GTX550TI, making it a fermi card. 650TI is where it’s at.

Behellagh.1468:

Of an HD 7750? GTX 650 I think but that might be a tad slower depending and the game and settings. nVidia isn’t know for it’s fine gradations in performance at the low end. The GTX 650Ti is significant overkill and there is nothing in the 7xx series that low end yet. The GTX 550Ti is similar to the GTX 650 in terms of performance.

Have you tried an older driver/rolling back to the one that had better performance?

I wouldn’t say significant overkill, my GTX 660, which is significantly faster than 650 Ti, can bring only 60 fps at times @ 1080p with correct settings (but this requires supersampling and such). The game will look very nice with lower settings but that extra performance can be used.

The GTX 650Ti is 35% faster than the GTX 650, 50% faster than the HD 7750. I consider that significant when he is asking for something equivalent to an HD 7750. The GTX 660 is 50% faster than a 650Ti. Then there’s the question of power available since the 650Ti uses around more power than the HD 7750.

Don’t forget the OP isn’t located where this stuff is cheap. I’m supposing he’s asking because he’s looking to exchange nVidia for AMD. And as I said we aren’t even touching power supply issues. It’s possible that his system simply can’t support the power requirements for a higher end card. We don’t know anything about the rest of his system. It could be a local shop built or store bought from years ago. We don’t know. And money seems to be an issue so lets hold off spinning expensive upgrades.

Anyway the root of his problem is a Core 2 based Pentium Dual Core from the era when Intel lobotomized the Core 2 architecture to make it a “Pentium” by restricting RAM speed and reducing L2 cache sizes to hobble performance. It’s not needing a faster video card as his GPU-Z screen grab shows.

Your primary issue is you are cpu bound right now. The 7750 isn’t going to max out your settings but should perform all right if you can pair it with a better CPU. The trouble if you do get a CPU that can handle the game well your 7750 will start holding you back but if you think ahead and make sure your new board has an extra gpu slot. I get a surprising improvement from crossfire despite it not being supported and amd plans on bring frame pacing and crossfire improvements they recently release to directx9 and should benefit them even better. usually a single card choice is the better route but if you already have the one card adding another is usually easier than selling off the one. Going with out and buying a more expensive one. Still that would be like the last step in your upgrade path as an extra GPU right now with that CPU won’t help you in the slightest.

@Behellagh we probably didn’t feel the same way about the word overkill, I though you meant it as it has so much power all of it cannot be utilized by the game no matter what (well, at 1080p at least). yeah, 650 Ti would be a significant jump from 7750 as a gfx card and yeah, it wouldn’t bring anything to him cos his CPU is holding him back. With a Q6600 the 7750 might be unleashed to it full potential in certain situations (soloing) and we don’t know if that will even go with his mobo. We all agree thought that upgrading his cpu performance in any way is the only solution.

I don’t live in the US either and parts are more expensive here than in most of the contires. If he happens to be living anywhere near there or Germany for example he might be able to get the parts shipped to him with a lower cost. If not, well, he just has to spend more.

@CursedShaitan I don’t know how the prices go exactly where he lives but an HD 7790 is almost 2x the performance over a single 7750 and it’s under $100. There might be better options than CrossFire, but that’s all after his CPU issue is sorted out.

7750 is an OK GPU. For the cost I would have bought either a HD7790, HD7850, or a R7 260x series, instead though.

The CPU is what holds your system back. Its just how GW2 is designed, and if you search this forum a bit you can see this topic beaten to death over it.

Short Version – Run a i5-4670k, and you will get ‘the best possible performance’ you can get with out spending 2k+ (Extreme series) on the 2011 Socket.

Best possible performance without spending $2K on Extreme plus LGA 2011 is I7 4770K. It doesn’t matter if the game does or does not use hyperthreading. The i7 will always be better at stock settings, which is what counts.

Avelos.6798:

Best possible performance without spending $2K on Extreme plus LGA 2011 is I7 4770K. It doesn’t matter if the game does or does not use hyperthreading. The i7 will always be better at stock settings, which is what counts.

Right. 4770K is 3.5 GHz at stock while 4670K is 3.4. I couldn’t justify spending $80 on that 3% increase just for GW2, but it is true that it beats 4670K at stock. I’m not too sure that what counts is stock performance on unlocked CPU however, I think most people who spend extra cash on getting a K-processor and a Z-motherboard do it to keep their system at stock.

The HD 7750 is the fastest gfx card that doesnt require a 6pin pcie connector. The only reason to ever buy a 7750 for gaming (from a price to performance standpoint) is because you have a OEM PSU thats sub 300w and doesnt have a pcie 6pin connector. Or you have a Low Profile Case. In either case the 7750 is the top card you can buy at the moment (supposedly theres a low profile 7850 unicorn somewhere). The 7790 that other people have mentioned is much better from a price to performance stand point.

As for mobo/cpu, my recommendation for a budget chip is the 3350P (75% of the cost of a K series i5 for me) if you can still find one. and you can use the cheaper chipset mobos since the z’s are only really useful for K series chips.

Using a 7750 on an OEM computer PSU 300w really depends on the other hardware. If it’s an Acer for example rocking an i7 4770, 16 GB DDR3 and a 2TB HDD, it’s not going to run. I know this from experience. And since it didn’t run, it was returned and I then built my dad a much muuuuuuuuch better PC without proprietary crap (motherboard, psu)

i thought acer used fsp psu’s with like 30 amps on the 12v rails, that should be enough to run even that setup with a 7750.

No they use proprietary crap. it had 12 amps going I think. The connector on the board for the PSU though was ten pin. Not 20 or 20+4 or 24. Just 10. Proprietary as kitten.

Unless you go pick up something from Acer that’s actually built for gaming like one of those Acer Predators or something. They made those back in 1st gen i7 series, I dunno about now though.

Most OEM PSUs are bottom of the barrel to shave on costs.

I mainly OEM through dell, and 90% of the workstations I get from them all have a 250-450w PSU. Depending on physical size of the tower USSF is 250w, SSF is 300w, Mid/Full are 350w-450w.

And only the ATX sized towers offer a 6pin GPU plug.

the 7750 might be the ‘best’ GPU you can get with out the external power requirements, but for 30-50bucks you can get a 500w PSU that will let you upgrade to almost any GPU you want.

I think someone mentioned a SSF/USSF Form Factor. If that’s the case, please consider buying a mid tower and swapping your Guts to it. SSF is great for moving around, I use one myself for a ‘portable’ server, but they are super limiting otherwise. If you look around you can get a Case+PSU that you ‘should’ be able to direct swap into.

I have not seen a modern day build, on any form factor, use less then a 20+4/24 Pin MB connector and the +4/8pin MB connector, and this is especially true since most Manufacturers OEM through MSI/ASUS for their Main Boards now. So I would expect you to be able to mod your system into a newer modern tower. You just might need to ‘tone out’ your MB header for the Power-LED, Power-Switch, and HDD-LED.