Guild Wars 2

I’ve been mostly playing this game on medium/low custom settings to obtain 60fps and its absolutely beautiful to feel the game that smooth, however I cranked up to max settings and its now too gorgeous to pass up. The issue: I only pull in around 20-30 fps standing still in Rata Sum.

Specs:

CPU: i3 Ivy @ 3.30GHz
RAM: 8GB 1666 RAM
GPU: HD 7950 3GB
HDD: 120GB Samsung 840 EVO

^ if you need anything more let me know.

I’ve made sure my drivers are updates, latest windows updates, etc. All the normally recommended checks and I can’t break 30fps unless I’m hidden in a tunnel with very little on screen.

If its a hardware issue bottlnecking me (thinking it might be my processor, but I doubt going for an i5/i7 would help as I dont think GW2 can utilize multicores, can it?) I can get an upgrade, I just don’t know where to look to fix this issue.

an i5-4670k (or the equalvent for your Motherboard) would do wonders over that i3.

and i7-K would be better then the i5 (But not worth the cost IMHO).

I get 35-40FPS in LA with my system on high/Ultra/Supersample (Low/Medium on the Character settings).

you can try the tweaks listed here:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=327922

I’ve used most of them with good results.

NeedCoffee.1402:

you can try the tweaks listed here:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=327922

I’ve used most of them with good results.

I tried some of them and haven’t seen any update ,and a lot of them I’ve already tried. I may just follow the advice and get an i5 of some sort and maybe a better cooling system to OC everything up a bit and get more out of my system that way, and hopefully that’ll bump me up at least past 45 fps

A friend in my guild has an ivy i3 at 4.2 GHz with a Radeon HD 6990, he get’s like 50-60 FPS looking at Lion’s Court from the Divinity’s Reach portal in Lion’s Arch.

Shaard.9741:

NeedCoffee.1402:

you can try the tweaks listed here:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=327922

I’ve used most of them with good results.

I tried some of them and haven’t seen any update ,and a lot of them I’ve already tried. I may just follow the advice and get an i5 of some sort and maybe a better cooling system to OC everything up a bit and get more out of my system that way, and hopefully that’ll bump me up at least past 45 fps

I know everyone gives me a hard time for saying this, but have you tried gamebooster?

I have been using it since 2010, and I love it.

what ave you tried form von dach’s list of tweaks?
process lasso? (very important)
smart v2?
tcp optimizer?
the reg edit tweak? (I have a better one if your interested)
Timer resolution?
core parking disabled?

NeedCoffee.1402:

I know everyone gives me a hard time for saying this, but have you tried gamebooster?

I have been using it since 2010, and I love it.

what ave you tried form von dach’s list of tweaks?
process lasso? (very important)
smart v2?
tcp optimizer?
the reg edit tweak? (I have a better one if your interested)
Timer resolution?
core parking disabled?

I hadn’t tried process lasso (trying it out now)
UPDATE: Tried process lasso and the timer resolution and neither made any difference, other than my winamp and skype lag a little now if I try opening them with GW2 up.

yeah I’d be happy for your reg edit tweak, no harm in trying I suppose, though I doubt it’ll be able to double my dps.

Have you tried monitoring your CPU and GPU usage while playing to verify which one actually is guilty? On paper your GPU is overkill but lately I’ve seen quite a few people with overkill GPUs magically having it running 1x lane instead of 16x even tho it’s in the correct slot. If that’s fine and CPU usage is high then yes, a better processor would do you good. If neither seems to be capping out then we have to figure something else out.

locx.6412:

Have you tried monitoring your CPU and GPU usage while playing to verify which one actually is guilty? On paper your GPU is overkill but lately I’ve seen quite a few people with overkill GPUs magically having it running 1x lane instead of 16x even tho it’s in the correct slot. If that’s fine and CPU usage is high then yes, a better processor would do you good. If neither seems to be capping out then we have to figure something else out.

Check the screen shot below, thats whats happening with High end GPUs, its because of power saving, not because they actually run on 1×. Cpu-z is just acting stupid.

http://m.imgur.com/CQk0h5D

MakkeOnMies.4718:

locx.6412:

Have you tried monitoring your CPU and GPU usage while playing to verify which one actually is guilty? On paper your GPU is overkill but lately I’ve seen quite a few people with overkill GPUs magically having it running 1x lane instead of 16x even tho it’s in the correct slot. If that’s fine and CPU usage is high then yes, a better processor would do you good. If neither seems to be capping out then we have to figure something else out.

Check the screen shot below, thats whats happening with High end GPUs, its because of power saving, not because they actually run on 1×. Cpu-z is just acting stupid.

http://m.imgur.com/CQk0h5D

I know about that, sometimes it just doesn’t go back to 16x even on demand. Don’t knnow what’s causing it, sometimes drivers issue, sometimes reseating the card solves it, but all I know is people have got better framerate after addressing and solving this issue

I just checked with Process Lasso again after trying a few other simple things out and noticed its saying GW2 uses up 90% of my CPU while idle in town.

Guess that’ll probably be the problem then. I’ll look into some sufficient CPU upgrades that hopefully wont cost upwards of $500

A 4670k+mobo should be around $350-370, so ~$380-470 depending on what you opt for for a cooler.

If you have the money, sure, 4670k >3570k, but it’s not that much better. If you’re on a budget, I’d suggest 3570k as it’s only 5-10% slower. Upgrade both to Broadwell or the one after that when they’re out.

The great thing about process lasso isn’t just that it’s a more intelligent way to automatically manage processes, but it also allows you to configure each process the way you want. while gw2 is running alt tab out and open up process lasso.
Right click on gw2 in the process window. assign it high power scheme (or what ever yours may be called), make it run in game mode, and assign it high, or real time priority.

I’m on the road right now. But when I get home I’ll upload that reg. tweak to mega and give you a link.

locx.6412:

If you have the money, sure, 4670k >3570k, but it’s not that much better. If you’re on a budget, I’d suggest 3570k as it’s only 5-10% slower. Upgrade both to Broadwell or the one after that when they’re out.

Not just that, but the Haswell socket 1150 is a one time upgrade. The Z87 Chipset will NOT support the 5th gen of Intel i-series CPUs(I confirmed this via Intel Directly yesterday). Its going to still be on the 1150 Socket, but on the Z9* Chipset, which will NOT support 4Th gen CPUs (what the rumor mill is saying currently, and its still in discussion internally at Intel).

They are moving some control element from the CPU back into the Chipset to reduce their nm Manufacturing Process (To reduce Die Size again).

So While the Haswell is faster then Ivy, Knowing that the Z87 Socket 1150 is a dead end now, I wouldn’t recommend buying into it at the full price. If you cannot get the Haswell setup for less then 8% above Ivy I would just stick with Ivy.

If at all possible, Wait for the Z9* 1150 Motherboards and CPUs to come out, as that’s probably going to run up through 7th Gen CPUs (unless they change the CPU’s Internal Architecture again).

sirsquishy.8531:

locx.6412:

If you have the money, sure, 4670k >3570k, but it’s not that much better. If you’re on a budget, I’d suggest 3570k as it’s only 5-10% slower. Upgrade both to Broadwell or the one after that when they’re out.

Not just that, but the Haswell socket 1150 is a one time upgrade. The Z87 Chipset will NOT support the 5th gen of Intel i-series CPUs(I confirmed this via Intel Directly yesterday). Its going to still be on the 1150 Socket, but on the Z9* Chipset, which will NOT support 4Th gen CPUs (what the rumor mill is saying currently, and its still in discussion internally at Intel).

They are moving some control element from the CPU back into the Chipset to reduce their nm Manufacturing Process (To reduce Die Size again).

So While the Haswell is faster then Ivy, Knowing that the Z87 Socket 1150 is a dead end now, I wouldn’t recommend buying into it at the full price. If you cannot get the Haswell setup for less then 8% above Ivy I would just stick with Ivy.

If at all possible, Wait for the Z9* 1150 Motherboards and CPUs to come out, as that’s probably going to run up through 7th Gen CPUs (unless they change the CPU’s Internal Architecture again).

So it is confirmed then. I knew about the series 9 chipsets and the rumors were wild around it.

It’s going to depend, if he really wants more power now, 3570K is not a bad choice. a year old CPU (that wasn’t newly released to begin with) won’t probably lose so much of it’s value and it could be resold when it’s time to upgrade to whatever is available at the time

locx.6412:

It’s going to depend, if he really wants more power now, 3570K is not a bad choice. a year old CPU (that wasn’t newly released to begin with) won’t probably lose so much of it’s value and it could be resold when it’s time to upgrade to whatever is available at the time

I will say this much. 2nd and 3rd Gen i5’s, that can be unlocked, hold potential to last another 2-3 years before they are outclassed by even AMD.

Given the current price market of the 2k,3k, and 4k CPUs. As long as they are priced with in reason (5-8% between Generation) then buy the current best.

I paid 210 for my i5-4670k. It was an upgrade from a PhenomII 830. The upgrade was so far ahead of that older CPU the cost was (and IMHO still) worth it. Even if the Z87 only holds a final upgrade to an i7-K and not the Gen5/Gen6 CPUs.

What I hope (I really really really hope, btw) is that new Z9* Chipsets include the instructions to work with the 4th Gen CPUs. I am not sure what part of the CPU is being put back into the chipset (PROBABLY MEMORY CONTROLLER!!). But if the Chipset can be programmed to disable the internal component that is known to be on the Haswell CPU’s, I see no logical reason why the Z97 chipset cannot/will not work with the Haswell CPUs.

So while currently (waiting for more public released info from intel), Haswell is a single upgrade with no roadmap for a 5th Gen, that doesnt’t mean you won’t be able to take your Haswell and put it in the next gen Chipset to cut down on the 5th and 6th gen CPU upgrades.

Until Intel says otherwise, anyway :-)

sirsquishy.8531:

locx.6412:

It’s going to depend, if he really wants more power now, 3570K is not a bad choice. a year old CPU (that wasn’t newly released to begin with) won’t probably lose so much of it’s value and it could be resold when it’s time to upgrade to whatever is available at the time

I will say this much. 2nd and 3rd Gen i5’s, that can be unlocked, hold potential to last another 2-3 years before they are outclassed by even AMD.

Given the current price market of the 2k,3k, and 4k CPUs. As long as they are priced with in reason (5-8% between Generation) then buy the current best.

True, even more so for other games that utilize the CPU a bit better.

I just suggested 3570K because he has IB-motherboard already. IF it’s H77 tho, then all I said was garbage :P

sirsquishy.8531:

So while currently (waiting for more public released info from intel), Haswell is a single upgrade with no roadmap for a 5th Gen, that doesnt’t mean you won’t be able to take your Haswell and put it in the next gen Chipset to cut down on the 5th and 6th gen CPU upgrades.

Until Intel says otherwise, anyway :-)

And the question is… Can we trust them to not say anything?

I’m a fan of Process Lasso, have bought the family license to support Jeremy, he’s a really great guy and one of few developers you actually can talk to directly.

However, this:

and assign it high, or real time priority

…I feel is a bad advice. Higher priority doesn’t necessarily mean better performance, it can have quite the opposite effect. Also, you don’t need PL for that!

With out qouting, No we cannot trust them to not say anything.

Intel wants to be 3-4 gens ahead of AMD for performance. They will do anything necessary to get that done, Including Jumping into a new Platform and forcing everyone to rebuild.

sirsquishy.8531:

With out qouting, No we cannot trust them to not say anything.

Intel wants to be 3-4 gens ahead of AMD for performance. They will do anything necessary to get that done, Including Jumping into a new Platform and forcing everyone to rebuild.

Exactly. And to get people to jump, I doubt they will not say you can’t program it (or that it’s highly discouraged).

Getting relatively OT here now, but seems to be the spirit of this forum

OGDeadHead.8326:

I’m a fan of Process Lasso, have bought the family license to support Jeremy, he’s a really great guy and one of few developers you actually can talk to directly.

However, this:

and assign it high, or real time priority

…I feel is a bad advice. Higher priority doesn’t necessarily mean better performance, it can have quite the opposite effect. Also, you don’t need PL for that!

I agree. the guy that developed process lasso is a genius. I also love his core unparking program.

I have been running games in high/realtime performance since windows xp. I have never had an issue. In many cases I have seen it increase game performance or at the very least smoother gameplay. Saying its bad to do so, is like the silly people that say “dont disable page file” In a day in age where its common to apply extra voltage to a cpu to get an extra fps?, yet people are worried your gonna crash windows with some crazy extreme tweak? come’on now.

I can’t speak against or for process lasso, But I use the unpark util. And that bit is great (15-20 FPS gain, Seriously).

But, Running a process in real-time can be damaging to your system if you have other ‘real-time’ processes running. Such as A/V. If the AV cannot scan into the ‘forced’ process that is now running Real-Time, it will actually cause a performance Hindrance.

Same goes for Windows based services that need to activate.

Now, High Priority there is NOTHING wrong with putting any process there (Since 90% of the processes are Normal anyway). But I would never recommend Real-Time.

“…is like the silly people that say “dont disable page file”

Actually, you should not disable the page file. There are programs that will not work correctly without it (certain versions of Microsoft Office, for example) and Windows, is, in fact, designed to use it and will always use it – no matter how much RAM you have.

sirsquishy.8531:

I can’t speak against or for process lasso, But I use the unpark util. And that bit is great (15-20 FPS gain, Seriously).

But, Running a process in real-time can be damaging to your system if you have other ‘real-time’ processes running. Such as A/V. If the AV cannot scan into the ‘forced’ process that is now running Real-Time, it will actually cause a performance Hindrance.

Same goes for Windows based services that need to activate.

Now, High Priority there is NOTHING wrong with putting any process there (Since 90% of the processes are Normal anyway). But I would never recommend Real-Time.

yes, i understand the risk. the same way we all understand the risk of overclocking.
But thats also kinda the point of running process lasso. Process lasso will NOT let AV run in realtime. Process lasso takes control of process managing away form windows.
and if it doesn’t, you can manually configure it to do so.

anyway here is my super caffeinated windows 7 reg tweak:
https://mega.co.nz/#!gQc0ybQY!ae6QRSxmNit2OnMzmWnQZGF2CPEQsLppCrCRId6ZjV8
please create a restore point before using it. I am not responsible if you computer catches on fire.

Actually, you should not disable the page file. There are programs that will not work correctly without it (certain versions of Microsoft Office, for example) and Windows, is, in fact, designed to use it and will always use it – no matter how much RAM you have.

I knew that would happen.