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Greetings, i’ve recently purchased a new high end gaming computer, it runs a i5-4690K cpu (without overcloak) and a Sapphire TRI-X R9 290X OC (UEFI) as gpu.

Now, today i’ve finally put the gw2 folder on the ssd, launched the game, equipped my best colin smile during the incredibly short loadings and proceeded to set everything to best performance.
Issue is… i’m disappointed by the performance.
When standing still with nobody near i top the 60 fps as i’ve set the vsync, thus it won’t exceed that.
However when actually fighting a few mobs or when i’m in a somewhat populated area, fps drop to 20-30…wut?

I do believe my specs are an overkill already, am i missing some weird settings ?

P.s. my drivers are updated and the pc arrived yesterday, thus it’s absolutely fresh.

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Posted by: ButterOfDeath.2873

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Little tiny bump…I tried lowering the settings and while it’s obviously better even at medium i experience fps drops.
I’m running windows 8.1 by the way. =)

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That’s exactly whats wrong with this game just like any other dx 9 MMOs… You will see those dips its just what it is.

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That’s exactly whats wrong with this game just like any other dx 9 MMOs… You will see those dips its just what it is.

I’ve seen gameplay videos that don’t lag, some made even a year ago.
Considering my specs are a clear overkill, i don’t understand why it shouldn’t top the performance to be honest. :x

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That’s exactly whats wrong with this game just like any other dx 9 MMOs… You will see those dips its just what it is.

I’ve seen gameplay videos that don’t lag, some made even a year ago.
Considering my specs are a clear overkill, i don’t understand why it shouldn’t top the performance to be honest. :x

Yea 20-30 fps are smooth to the eye when you are watching them as videos not so much when you are playing. You are completely right your specs are overkill for an mmo but that doesnt necessarily mean you are guaranteed to have the performance you expect to have unfortunately. Because in the end it all depends on the coding of the engine.

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That’s exactly whats wrong with this game just like any other dx 9 MMOs… You will see those dips its just what it is.

I’ve seen gameplay videos that don’t lag, some made even a year ago.
Considering my specs are a clear overkill, i don’t understand why it shouldn’t top the performance to be honest. :x

Yea 20-30 fps are smooth to the eye when you are watching them as videos not so much when you are playing. You are completely right your specs are overkill for an mmo but that doesnt necessarily mean you are guaranteed to have the performance you expect to have unfortunately. Because in the end it all depends on the coding of the engine.

Awkwardly, under “stress” (such as lion arch) my radeon 6850 beats the 290×.

It bugs my mind beyond belief lol!
I believe there must be something i can do to improve the situation, even just a little. :s

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Yea that kinda spooky things happen, game tends to favor older GPUs. I remember people whining about going from 5xxx-6xxx series of radeon cards to 7xxx which were the latest gen and having poor performance. Got better in time if im not mistaken. Also have you OCed your cpu? And what’s your ~GPU utilization (290x) in LA? and what resolution are you playing on.

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Yea that kinda spooky things happen, game tends to favor older GPUs. I remember people whining about going from 5xxx-6xxx series of radeon cards to 7xxx which were the latest gen and having poor performance. Got better in time if im not mistaken. Also have you OCed your cpu? And what’s your ~GPU utilization (290x) in LA? and what resolution are you playing on.

Both my gpu and cpu are factory default, i’m playing on a 1920×1080 resolution.

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You should OC your cpu and check whether or not it changes anything since CPU is the limiting factor in these types of engines.

Ps: Assuming you have an after market cooler since you bought a devil’s canyon cpu. if you dont have one dont go past 4.2

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You should OC your cpu and check whether or not it changes anything since CPU is the limiting factor in these types of engines.

Ps: Assuming you have an after market cooler since you bought a devil’s canyon cpu. if you dont have one dont go past 4.2

At the moment i’d gladly avoid to OC my cpu as i’m not experienced at all.

The cooler is a be quiet! dark rock 3, it literally throws chill air out of the case at the moment.

Yet, i don’t really think it’s the cpu, as my older pc has a weaker one and yet runs just as good (or even a little better) when stressed. :s

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You just need to find a balance between fps and and graphics quality these setting seem to work best, you may need to adjust where noted

Full Screen: 1680 × 1050 Depending on monitor
Refresh Rate: Default
Frame Limiter: Unlimited
Interface Size: Personal preference
Animation: High
Antialiasing: FXAA or None, Some system this has no effect
Environment: High
OD distance: High
Reflections: Terrain & Sky or None. It depends if you don’t care if you see the reflections in water this will improve fps.
Textures: High
Render Sampling: Native
Shadows: Low or None This is one of the main Fps reducers if you don’t care to see your shadow.
Shaders: High
Post Processing: High
Character Model Limit: Medium or low This effect how you see other characters in game and improve fps in mobs
Character Model Quality: Medium or Low This effect how you see other characters in game and improve fps in mobs.
Best Texture Filtering: Unchecked
Depth Blur: Checked
Effects LOD: Checked
High-Res Character Textures: Unchecked
Vertical Sync: Unchecked

My FPS In Lions Arch 35 to 45 depending on where my character is
FPS in explorable areas 65 to 80 and sometimes as high as 90 but that’s rare not sure why. In WvW I rarely drop below 30fps which is playable levels

System specs:
I5 3570k running at 3.8GHz not over clocked
16 gigs ram
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 not over clocked with up to date drives
Samsung SSD 840 series 120 gig drive
Windows home premium 64 bit OS with security essentials
Only have Window and GuildWar2 installed on SSD everything else is installed on standard 1TB drive, also don’t run much in background fairly Clean install of Windows, will run TS or Vent in background, never craptastic Skype.

Opinions are like ______ everyone has one I could
put the correct term in but not everyone has kittens

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you guys can try and force enable large pages on your game to see if it helps

http://www.auraxian.net/index.php?topic=29011.0

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you guys can try and force enable large pages on your game to see if it helps

http://www.auraxian.net/index.php?topic=29011.0

I’m back, just did the edit.
Later i’ll reboot and check how it performs.

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Rebooted, tried aaaand… zero improvements.

So sad.

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Rebooted, tried aaaand… zero improvements.

So sad.

Ok you need to tear this down to the hardware to find out what the bottle neck is, then form there make the proper adjustments.

Starting with the CPU, load up Coretemp, CPu-Z, and open Task manager while GW2 is running (windowed-full screen mode preferred). What we are looking for here is the highest hit on any one core when you are getting your 60fps vs when you get a serious drop. If the CPU is bottle necking you should see one of your cores/HT’s jump up higher then the rest and stay there for the duration of the low FPS spike.

CoreTemp is for making sure your CPU isn’t just throttling. As GW2 is very CPU heavy, if your CPU cooler is weak that could be the cause here. 4690K’s throttle at 100C’, Though I have seen them slow down gw2 at around 89C’s.

Next, your GPU. Load GPU-Z and MSI Afterburner. Use GPU-Z to verify your PCIE link speeds (should be 16x version 3). Once verified switch to GPU-Z’s Sensor tab, and compare that with MSI Afterburner for Core and Memory Clocks while GW2 is running (same as above, looking for 60FPS vs 20-30FPS), does your GPU’s temp hit 80c’s+, does the Core Drop down to 300/600mhz, does the utilization stay at or near 60-100%, or does it cycle from 0% to 100% and back to 0%…rinse and repeat?

Most of the issues I am pointing out are all HW and Driver issues.

But if you are still bottlenecking with the utlities showing no issues, then you need to adjuste your ingame settings. Namely the horrendous Reflections option. Even with my system (4790K and 280x) I cannot run with Reflections on Full. I have to put them on Terrain and sky only. Else I see similar things to you. But I can run the rest of my settings on max (FXAA disabled) and have no real issues.

Desktop: 4790k@4.6ghz-1.25v, AMD 295×2, 32GB 1866CL10 RAM, 850Evo 500GB SSD
Laptop: M6600 – 2720QM, AMD HD6970M, 32GB 1600CL9 RAM, Arc100 480GB SSD

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Rebooted, tried aaaand… zero improvements.

So sad.

Ok you need to tear this down to the hardware to find out what the bottle neck is, then form there make the proper adjustments.

Starting with the CPU, load up Coretemp, CPu-Z, and open Task manager while GW2 is running (windowed-full screen mode preferred). What we are looking for here is the highest hit on any one core when you are getting your 60fps vs when you get a serious drop. If the CPU is bottle necking you should see one of your cores/HT’s jump up higher then the rest and stay there for the duration of the low FPS spike.

CoreTemp is for making sure your CPU isn’t just throttling. As GW2 is very CPU heavy, if your CPU cooler is weak that could be the cause here. 4690K’s throttle at 100C’, Though I have seen them slow down gw2 at around 89C’s.

Next, your GPU. Load GPU-Z and MSI Afterburner. Use GPU-Z to verify your PCIE link speeds (should be 16x version 3). Once verified switch to GPU-Z’s Sensor tab, and compare that with MSI Afterburner for Core and Memory Clocks while GW2 is running (same as above, looking for 60FPS vs 20-30FPS), does your GPU’s temp hit 80c’s+, does the Core Drop down to 300/600mhz, does the utilization stay at or near 60-100%, or does it cycle from 0% to 100% and back to 0%…rinse and repeat?

Most of the issues I am pointing out are all HW and Driver issues.

But if you are still bottlenecking with the utlities showing no issues, then you need to adjuste your ingame settings. Namely the horrendous Reflections option. Even with my system (4790K and 280x) I cannot run with Reflections on Full. I have to put them on Terrain and sky only. Else I see similar things to you. But I can run the rest of my settings on max (FXAA disabled) and have no real issues.

I’ll try that as soon as i can, as for the cooling…i bet it’d have no trouble. (this is why: http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2011/04/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-review/darkrockpro-2b.jpg)
I already tried to turn down reflections from full to terrain and sky to none.
Between full and terrain&sky only, the difference is 15 fps.
Between t&s and none i see no difference instead.

Btw, even without having run the tests yet, i find it hard to believe either the cpu or gpu are the issue as they’re both an absolute overkill for the game, run other heavy games (like lichdom) with ease and the drivers have been updated two days ago to latest version.
Of course it could be, but that’d be so weird. ò.ò

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I’ll try that as soon as i can, as for the cooling…i bet it’d have no trouble. (this is why: http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2011/04/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-review/darkrockpro-2b.jpg)
I already tried to turn down reflections from full to terrain and sky to none.
Between full and terrain&sky only, the difference is 15 fps.
Between t&s and none i see no difference instead.

Btw, even without having run the tests yet, i find it hard to believe either the cpu or gpu are the issue as they’re both an absolute overkill for the game, run other heavy games (like lichdom) with ease and the drivers have been updated two days ago to latest version.
Of course it could be, but that’d be so weird. ò.ò

Well there are many things that should be considered.

Nice Cooler by the way. This is mine; http://goo.gl/SQFO3W

But, until you really deep dive in and take a look at every aspect of your system you cant be 100% sure if its a hardware issue, driver issue, or something stupid like Thermal Paste.

Desktop: 4790k@4.6ghz-1.25v, AMD 295×2, 32GB 1866CL10 RAM, 850Evo 500GB SSD
Laptop: M6600 – 2720QM, AMD HD6970M, 32GB 1600CL9 RAM, Arc100 480GB SSD

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Ok, so… did the tests somehow…
coretemp would make my pc freeze forcing me to hard reset, when it worked for a few seconds all cores displayed <31°c so i don’t think the temperature is causing trouble.
In the cpu-z window nothing seemed to change except the frequency that bumped to 3.5k ghz when starting the game.
In the windows manager tab, all cpu cores were at about 86-90% usage (during the low fps).
As for gpu-z… the pcid is listed nowhere ò.ò… tho the utilization was at about 90% too,never dropping. Temperature at less than 50°.

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Tiny little bump