Guild Wars 2

After reading this post:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/is-macro-enabled-mouse-kb-cheating/first#post1429183

I am upset that Anet would let someone as uneducated as Jazhara Knightmage.4389’s posts be presented in a fashion that some people would consider “Offical”.

Anet’s Guild Wars 2 Policy:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-conduct-breaches-outcomes/

In-game linking to inappropriate sites, including those offering bots, macros, or other inappropriate third-party programs, or those related to selling or buying accounts, items, services or in-game gold in a manner not authorized by Guild Wars 2
&
Advertising cheats, hacks, or exploits
Using, developing, releasing, or promoting a “bot,” cheat, or exploit program

Logitech G400 MMO Gaming Mouse comes with a several preset profiles for binding keys SPECIFICALLY for Guild Wars 2:
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/optical-gaming-mouse-g400?osid=1&bit=32

I’ve read another post from Jazhara Knightmage.4389 saying that macro mice are not allowed because everyone doesn’t have them so it isn’t fair? By that logic we should start banning people who use VoIP’s such as Vent and TS, because not everyone uses them a team of 5 on a VoIP sure will beat the crap out of another team with no active Voice Communication relying on typing to coordinate efforts.

We are talking about a marco mouse to do a short attack chain, NOT a macro that you start and go AFK while it farms loot for hours on end. There is NOTHING in the Anets OFFICIAL terms of service against using a mouse macro. I seriously doubt that LogiTech could have released the G400 MMO Gaming Mouse with a profile designed for Guild Wars 2 without having the consent of NCSoft and/or Arena Net.

I put it to you, using Macro Mice are fine, it’s not an EXPLOIT or a HACK, and there are NO INJECTIONS into the game (You sounded so ignorant there Jazhara Knightmage.4389), and it’s a functionality that is publicly available to EVERYONE who can muster up $30 – $50 to buy a gaming mouse. Point Blank, if you don’t like it go buy a mouse to join everyone else in the wonders of being a gamer with gaming gear.

If there are any RECOGNIZED OFFICIALS of NCSoft or Arena Net who feel they should update their legal disclaimer then I will reconsider my stance on this subject. If you are not an official from Anet or NCSoft, then please don’t try to pull a Jazhara Knightmage.4389 and attempt to sound like you know what you’re talking about.

I think as long as u are not using them to go AFK and farm ORR they are ok, i use my Razer macros all the time to quickly use 2 skills pressing 1 button and stuff like that, i think that kind of stuff is out of question, besides, how could they possibly know players do this macros if it was forbidden anyway? I don’t think razer or logitech would sell this kind of MMO oriented keyboards if developers could ban their custormers for it do u?
Is would be ilegal to ban a user cuz he is using a faster videocard that allows him to perform better than some other user using integrated graphics? that would be just as stupid as try to ban someone for using a macro keyboard that allows him to perform better in PVP.
I mean this kind of posts (not yours, talking about ppl asking if is legal to use they gaming mouse/KB) are just useless and the answer is obvious, shouldn’t even exist.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-conduct-breaches-outcomes/

In-game linking to inappropriate sites, including those offering bots, macros, or other inappropriate third-party programs, or those related to selling or buying accounts, items, services or in-game gold in a manner not authorized by Guild Wars 2 and us

note this is official word you was not talking out my kitten you can appologize now.

you are not allowed to use macro’s of any kind according to anet policy…..good luck getting them to change that.

anet reps and anet themselves have said that anything that automates play or allows more then 1 action per key press can get you banned.

they have flat out said that you cant use macros as i linked this includes mice/keyboards….im sorry you dont know how to use google….it took me all of 10 seconds to get you that link….

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/ArenaNet:Guild_Wars_2_suggestions/Macros

anet do not want you using anything to automate gameplay this includes basic multi key macros.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/

20. You may not use any third-party program (such as a “bot”) in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars 2. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.

since gw2 provides no native way to macro, and anet dosnt provide an external macro program, any program you use will be third party, yes that includes the software that came with your mouse, since it did not come from anet/ncsoft.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Policy-Third-Party-Programs/first#post354869

the part that covers this, and many people agree on this
The best way for a player to assess whether a specific third-party program could have any impact on another player or a PvP opponent is to ask:
“Does this program allow someone to play faster, better, longer, or more accurately than someone who doesn’t use it?”

not everybody has one of these mice and macro’s give you an advantage in pvp and pve because you have to hit less keys to do the same thing..

note: i think its silly/stupid but, till they come out and flatly say “you can use mmo mice and programmable keyboards with this game” its a risk using anything that in any way automates play or allows you to do more then 1 action with 1 key press

this is a quote from Gaile Gray
No. “Moving away from the keyboard” doesn’t quite cover it, when someone can tab out of the game and still be at the keyboard and posting on Facebook while “playing the game.” The process of automating gameplay beyond what the game allows is where things get delicate. The OP asked if I considered using a macro to automate weapon swaps or skill patterns a violation of the UA. Yes, I do, because it gives an advantage, in that one player is doing it all manually and someone else can be sitting back sipping a cup o’ tea while the game “plays” through the use of macros. Since the question asked my personal viewpoint, I gave it. — Gaile 19:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

its on the gw wiki, and makes it very clear how they feel about anything that gives anybody an advantage over somebody who dosnt use the same software/hardware.

i was not trying to keep you from using them, because honestly anet dosnt got any client side detection for such things, and to be honest, I dont think they really care if you macro at least in pve, in pvp you see alot of complaints of people using macro’s and people wanting that person banned in this game……

its up to you , if you want to take the small risk and use multi action macro’s go for it, if not then dont.

dont attack or insult me for giving you the info anet has given us not only here but on other forums.

i wasnt trying to keep anybody from using them, I was just passing on the info thats been stated in several posts by anet reps(mostly the lady i mentioned) your free to pm her and ask for an official iron clad public statement saying that mmo mice and keyboards that you can program macros with are allowed, if you can get them to do it, that would be GREAT!!!!(im quite serious here) I doubt they would even respond though.

the above info makes it pretty clear to me that its a risk to do it, if they did detect it or you made the mistake of admitting you setup macros(multi actions to 1 key press) you could get banned.

not its not likely they would ban you, at least not a perm ban but still….it is a risk with the above info.

found the quote I was looking for posted by Gaile
https://forum.guildwars.com/forum/forums/accounts/Allowed-or-Not-That-is-the-question/6742

this is anet policy, it may be on the gw1 forums but, this is company policy and since they wont renounce this stand and they wont flat out say thats ok to use and whats not.

Again, im not trying to stop anybody from using macro’s just letting you know its a risk. a small risk to be sure but, a risk none the less.

I do wish you luck getting gaile or some other anet employee to green light mmo mice and keyboards, because i dont see it happening because then people would want autohotkey to be allowed, since it would let anybody setup macro’s….and so on…..

I think this is really why they wont say “yeah its ok to use mmo mice with macro’s”

Why did they licensed this then? looking to lose a lot money on customer suits?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPUHJejztUg
Everybody has this kind of stuff nowdays, deal with it. Get yourself one of u don’t have it allready. It is totally allowed, even if the do not comment on this, they get profit licensing this kind of tecnology anyways. So if u have it, use it is safe, if u don’t well go get one cuz playing with this gives u a really good advantage over nomal mouse/keyboard set. Also Nvidia surround/eyefinity that is totally allowed aswel despite it gives u advantage over users running a single monitor, it is the beauty of the PC gaming u buy expensive stuff u get benefits for it, otherwise u play consoles, users won’t hack easy or have any kind of hardware advantage.

dude, i have naga2012 and ms 4000 keyboard with 5 programmable keys….as i said I really dont care, but apparently some people do…..

read what anets rep said, she flat out said she considers it unfair
Gaile Gray(anet rep, shes posted on here quite a number of times as well)
No. “Moving away from the keyboard” doesn’t quite cover it, when someone can tab out of the game and still be at the keyboard and posting on Facebook while “playing the game.” The process of automating gameplay beyond what the game allows is where things get delicate. The OP asked if I considered using a macro to automate weapon swaps or skill patterns a violation of the UA. Yes, I do, because it gives an advantage, in that one player is doing it all manually and someone else can be sitting back sipping a cup o’ tea while the game “plays” through the use of macros. Since the question asked my personal viewpoint, I gave it. — Gaile 19:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

note she is very against this because she dosnt feel everybody can do it, i disagree with that stand, autohotkey and other similar apps have been around forever, and work with normal keyboards/mice, and the price on mmo mice and keyboards with programmable buttons is nolonger out of reach of normal gamers…

and just because anet licenced their name/logo for a product dosnt mean your allowed to use all its features…..i say this because I have seen these cases in the past….I agree its fing kitten but it is what it is, Gaile and her ilk dont like it if everybody isnt on even ground.

I would bet she is against eyefinity and surround as well…..(tho anet clearly arent as a whole)

Anet wont flat out come out and say its allowed, and its been asked since the beta events…..if that dosnt make you think…I dont know what will….

If i where anet I would just say “yes its allowed as long as your just using the software that came with your mouse and it dosnt automate play so you can go afk and keep playing”

but they havent, they infact have avoided saying such……for over 6 months now….that leads me to believe they are keeping quiet so they can ban for macro’s and not have excuses about mice/keyboards/exct.

yes it would cost them money from gem sales but so is not fixing the games horrible performance, and they dont seem bothered by that one little bit do they?

again, I dont give a crap if you wana setup macros to play the game for you with 1 button press for a full area clear….Honest to gods, I dont care, I just think its wrong to tell people theres no risk of being banned when anet have a stance against macros in gw1 and 2 that they have published more then once.

No. “Moving away from the keyboard” doesn’t quite cover it, when someone can tab out of the game and still be at the keyboard and posting on Facebook while “playing the game.” The process of automating gameplay beyond what the game allows is where things get delicate. The OP asked if I considered using a macro to automate weapon swaps or skill patterns a violation of the UA. Yes, I do, because it gives an advantage, in that one player is doing it all manually and someone else can be sitting back sipping a cup o’ tea while the game “plays” through the use of macros. Since the question asked my personal viewpoint, I gave it. — Gaile 19:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, but what if i build a robot who press the keyboard in my place and i’m standing near it with my cup of tea ? How will you know it’s a bot and not actually a human playing the game ? This is just again one of those endless stories. If you look at the site of Logitech they offer profiles for a lot of games.
Playing any game with a mouse where you can change the dpi is cheating then ? I suggest we all go back to the basic mouse with a huge ball in it, and only 2 buttons. Because yes, some have infra-red mouses, others high speed laser ones, those are cheating as well then….
How about those with a touchscreen ? Should they ban to because they actually don’t use a mouse ?
Maybe we should take the screens in the story too. There are screens with less than 2ms response time… that is cheating as well if you follow the same philosophy. If it was completely not allowed, i guess anet already would contact Logitech to remove the profiles who are free to download.

They cannot ban ppl for using macros!!!! there is no way in hell they can know when u are using a macro and when u are not is simple as that, they may not like it but who cares? they can’t do anything about it either way, if u cannot beat them, join them! Is nobody’s fault but theirs the flaw game mechanics desing that allows macros to automate gameplay.
Example trebuchet fire WvW: Why do u think u can setup a macro to constant fire a target all day? Cuz the trebuchet mechanic is wrong, the only skill u need is precise timing ur shoots, perfect scenario for macro/bots. It is not logitech or razer’s fault, it is all on arenant since the desingned a repetitive mechanic that requires no player skill at all.

hoegarden.4287:

No. “Moving away from the keyboard” doesn’t quite cover it, when someone can tab out of the game and still be at the keyboard and posting on Facebook while “playing the game.” The process of automating gameplay beyond what the game allows is where things get delicate. The OP asked if I considered using a macro to automate weapon swaps or skill patterns a violation of the UA. Yes, I do, because it gives an advantage, in that one player is doing it all manually and someone else can be sitting back sipping a cup o’ tea while the game “plays” through the use of macros. Since the question asked my personal viewpoint, I gave it. — Gaile 19:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, but what if i build a robot who press the keyboard in my place and i’m standing near it with my cup of tea ? How will you know it’s a bot and not actually a human playing the game ? This is just again one of those endless stories. If you look at the site of Logitech they offer profiles for a lot of games.
Playing any game with a mouse where you can change the dpi is cheating then ? I suggest we all go back to the basic mouse with a huge ball in it, and only 2 buttons. Because yes, some have infra-red mouses, others high speed laser ones, those are cheating as well then….
How about those with a touchscreen ? Should they ban to because they actually don’t use a mouse ?
Maybe we should take the screens in the story too. There are screens with less than 2ms response time… that is cheating as well if you follow the same philosophy. If it was completely not allowed, i guess anet already would contact Logitech to remove the profiles who are free to download.

actually with the statement from gaile im shocked they dont have the game set to a locked resolution, respnose time dosnt matter with this game, 16ms on a good monitor will be the same as 2ms for gw2, but resolution matters, higher res=you see more, (why i use downsampling to play at 1440p)

honestly, I agree with you, its bs, BUT if you actually read the stand anets posted about such things their official stand(what little there is of it) is that this stuff not fair because not everybody has macro mice/keyboards (despite anybody being able to use apps like autohotkey, many of them being FREE)

http://www.autohotkey.com/ is 100% free, anybody can use it, hell people could build configs and share them….but its not allowed….because more then 1 action per key press is bad for whatever reason.

Rampage.7145:

They cannot ban ppl for using macros!!!! there is no way in hell they can know when u are using a macro and when u are not is simple as that, they may not like it but who cares? they can’t do anything about it either way, if u cannot beat them, join them! Is nobody’s fault but theirs the flaw game mechanics desing that allows macros to automate gameplay.
Example trebuchet fire WvW: Why do u think u can setup a macro to constant fire a target all day? Cuz the trebuchet mechanic is wrong, the only skill u need is precise timing ur shoots, perfect scenario for macro/bots. It is not logitech or razer’s fault, it is all on arenant since the desingned a repetitive mechanic that requires no player skill at all.

i totally agree with you, but, again, I still think people need to be warned of the risks, if only so they know to say they arent using any macros if somebody asks, because, and even you have to admit gailes words are pretty clear…..

I am honestly shocked the games not got a locked res with locked gfx settings and such just to make sure everybody gets the same experiance and nobody feels like they are at a disadvantage because they dont have a 1080p or 1440p monitor…..let alone 3-6-9 of them to eyefinity/stereo….(again, I DO NOT CARE IF YOU HAVE THIS, If you do you should be able to use it)

IMHO they should have just put macro’s into the game like most other top mmo’s have…..(hell alot of korean style ones have a macro system even…)

Jazhara Knightmage.4389:

IMHO they should have just put macro’s into the game like most other top mmo’s have…..(hell alot of korean style ones have a macro system even…)

Indeed, most MMOs u can spam 1 button tho in GW2 that is not possible unless u want to u¡suck may be they just tought it was unnecessary. I remember playing my warrior in WoW and Rift was pretty much F1 button spamming 95% of the time lol.

that is kinda boring if you ask me, BUT having combo macros(or in tera skill chains) can be amazing and remove the hand cramping unfun of trying to use a keyboard to play this game(infact, this crap drove a friend of mine to flat out quit…..he hates the controls its to hard to hit all the skill keys with 1 hand as you move around….

The secre is a razer naga mouse and binding all ur utilities, heal and elite on the mouse so u can use keyboard just for the weapon skill, i find that way very fun to play Gw2 in fact i love the controls, they are more dynamic than most MMOs gives u a lot of action specially playing elementalist hehehe.

sadly the fps make me play more tera then gw2 anymore….and more warframe then tera!!!

Darkened.7015:

After reading this post:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/is-macro-enabled-mouse-kb-cheating/first#post1429183

I am upset that Anet would let someone as uneducated as Jazhara Knightmage.4389’s posts be presented in a fashion that some people would consider “Offical”.

Anet’s Guild Wars 2 Policy:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-conduct-breaches-outcomes/

In-game linking to inappropriate sites, including those offering bots, macros, or other inappropriate third-party programs, or those related to selling or buying accounts, items, services or in-game gold in a manner not authorized by Guild Wars 2
&
Advertising cheats, hacks, or exploits
Using, developing, releasing, or promoting a “bot,” cheat, or exploit program

Logitech G400 MMO Gaming Mouse comes with a several preset profiles for binding keys SPECIFICALLY for Guild Wars 2:
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/optical-gaming-mouse-g400?osid=1&bit=32

I’ve read another post from Jazhara Knightmage.4389 saying that macro mice are not allowed because everyone doesn’t have them so it isn’t fair? By that logic we should start banning people who use VoIP’s such as Vent and TS, because not everyone uses them a team of 5 on a VoIP sure will beat the crap out of another team with no active Voice Communication relying on typing to coordinate efforts.

We are talking about a marco mouse to do a short attack chain, NOT a macro that you start and go AFK while it farms loot for hours on end. There is NOTHING in the Anets OFFICIAL terms of service against using a mouse macro. I seriously doubt that LogiTech could have released the G400 MMO Gaming Mouse with a profile designed for Guild Wars 2 without having the consent of NCSoft and/or Arena Net.

I put it to you, using Macro Mice are fine, it’s not an EXPLOIT or a HACK, and there are NO INJECTIONS into the game (You sounded so ignorant there Jazhara Knightmage.4389), and it’s a functionality that is publicly available to EVERYONE who can muster up $30 – $50 to buy a gaming mouse. Point Blank, if you don’t like it go buy a mouse to join everyone else in the wonders of being a gamer with gaming gear.

If there are any RECOGNIZED OFFICIALS of NCSoft or Arena Net who feel they should update their legal disclaimer then I will reconsider my stance on this subject. If you are not an official from Anet or NCSoft, then please don’t try to pull a Jazhara Knightmage.4389 and attempt to sound like you know what you’re talking about.

you want proof your not allowed to program multi function macros(after in effect calling me a liar)

http://gw2.gameguyz.com/news/news/arenanet-s-clarification-on-macros-and-multi-boxing-in-guild-wars-2.html

direct word from Gaile Grey

Macros

Guild Wars 2 players are permitted to use macros as long as the macros are programmed with a 1 key for 1 function protocol. This means that if you program a macro, it must require one keystroke per action. You may not program a single key to perform multiple functions.

For example, if you Press A and it results in the casting of a single skill, you’re ok. If you Press A and it casts multiple spells, you’re not ok.

You cannot program a macro to perform the same or multiple actions on more than one account at a time.

You cannot program an “auto-clicker” macro that, for instance, opens chests while you play elsewhere.

hope this clears things up officially for those confused.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/arenanet-tracker/topic/255457-policy-3rd-party-programs-multi-boxing-macros/

“They cannot ban ppl for using macros!!!! there is no way in hell they can know when u are using a macro and when u are not is simple as that, they may not like it but who cares?

Yes – they can. It’s the same way that I can tell the difference between a real drummer and a drum machine.

I don’t like it (I have a Logitech G15). I did look up their policy before I started playing and I’m glad I did. I won’t be using macros unless the official policy changes.

well, really the way this client is built, they cant really tell unless your just spamming 1 button for the same attacks over and over in a very very scripted mannar, the client has no anti-hack or anti cheat anything in it as it stands now, they do all of that server side.

but, this is official policy, and despite the attack on me for stating it before, I think its pretty clear, that anet is even endorsing products that allow/encourage you to break their TOS/Policy (they endorsed some mmo mouse)

ah found it http://steelseries.com/products/games/guild-wars-2/guild-wars-2-gaming-mouse

the software that comes with it is said to allow you to program macros…….funny since its not allowed by anets own words…..

im not gonna hold my breath waiting for the OP and others to admit they where out of line and wrong to attack me and in effect say i was full of what the kitten left in the litterbox….