Guild Wars 2

hey guys i was thinking about buying a new computer but i have no idea what hardware that is good for gaming and so on, i want to be able to play Guild wars 2 with full settings and games like BF 2, but i dont have Alot of money to spend on it so do you guys have any ideas what hardware to look for and maybe a link to some sites to buy from ?

thanks very much,

sry my bad English

You are not even telling us how much money you want to spend.

hm im from Denmark but in dollars i thinking around 1000 us dollars

You can check this article for some tips:

System Builder Marathon, August 2012: $1000 Enthusiast PC
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc-overclock-benchmark,3276.html

thanks for the link “VirtualBS” i was looking at some processors and most computers have somthing called intel i5 or i7 but what to choose ?

the best gaming processors is a quad core (4 cores) right ?

i7’s are the latest processors, so I would likely go with that.

For desktop processors:

• An Intel Core i5 is a quad-core CPU
• An Intel Core i7 is a quad-core CPU with Hyperthreading

I suggest you go read a bit more about it.

GalaxyRed.5032:

i7’s are the latest processors, so I would likely go with that.

I’d rather spend on more expensive mboard and get an i5. There are comparable models i5 and i7 where the difference in productivity is far less than enough to justify the price difference. Of course all of that is based on games that cannot utilize hyperthreading very well. It might change for the future, but I sincerely doubt any game from the current generation would see such engine improvements anyway.

i5 will be sufficient for gaming with a good gpu tho.

For gaming, an i5 should have comparable performance to an i7. The only difference when it comes to gaming, is the L2 cache size.

As for processor speed, an unlocked version, which have the K designation, is maybe the best idea. You don’t have to be agressive. With an unlocked multiplier and normal cooling, you can likely get the same performance as a stock i7 3770 for free (no gaurantees of course.)

For processor, the GTX 670 is one of the most popular. The GTX 660 is a cheaper alternative.

okay so i have to look for a computer with an i5 quad core and a video card close to GTX 670-660

how fast is best for the processor to be ?? like and i5 quad core 3,0 ? or i7 3,0 ?

and what about Ram is like 6k DDR3 good enough or do it have to be anything special ?

and what about motherbord is there anything i shall look fore there

i5 3570 K seems like the best i5 option if you are going with the latest Ivy Bridge series (3rd gen.) There’s a comparable Sandy Bridge i5 with a K designator (for unlocked multiplier.)

IMO, a lot of the CPUs have similar clock rates. The i5 3570K is what I would choose IF Ivy Bridge is desired ( 3rd gen, Sandy is 2nd gen.) I bought an i7 3770, but it seems a bit of a waste for gaming as having the Hyperthreading does not currently seem to reap benefits. Maybe future games can take more advantage of Hypethreading.

Note that Sandy Bridge overclocks better, supposedly due to a change in how the CPU is designed.

I seem to recall some benefit to using Ivy Bridge processors otherwise, but I forget what it was.

it seems like you know alot about it but what do you mean by “sandy bridge” i dont know what it is

and when you say “i5 3570 k” what does “3570 k” stand fore

Sandy bridge is the generation of processors, Intel in this case. 3570 is the model number. K designates unlocked overclocking capability. MHz is important but not useful when comparing different CPU models.

If you want to overclock I5 2500K I recommend. For GPU the Radeon HD 7870 is a great deal as well for it’s performance. GTX 670 is more powerful but way more expensive. Memory is cheap, go with at least 6GB, recommend 8GB ddr3. Lastly, don’t go cheap on the power supply or motherboard.

Thanks very much Swedemom

i dont want to overclock because i have no experience with it and i dont know how to do it. how is the power supply important ? isent it just giving power to the system

but how do you see what power supply and motherbord that is good ?

Rasmussen.6873:

Thanks very much Swedemom

i dont want to overclock because i have no experience with it and i dont know how to do it. how is the power supply important ? isent it just giving power to the system

but how do you see what power supply and motherbord that is good ?

Think of the power supply as of the heart of the system. If your heart is weak and you get a heart attack… you get the picture. Corsair and Cooler Master make good PSU modules. A note on consumption – ATI cards generally take up more power the NVIDIA ones, they are also a significant noise generator with stock fans. Example – a real life story I experienced. My father was calling me on the phone while I was playing some game with my old card. In the middle of the call he asked me “Is that fountain water running near you?” Thats how loud newer ATI cards can be. In contrast some manufacturers on GF cards do their best to bring down noise pollution to tolerable levels.

For example you can see the power supply requirements for the 7870 here:

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7870/pages/radeon-7870.aspx#2

A poor power supply will cause you headaches, system failures, under performing hardware, trust me. Corsair is good excluding their new economy CX models.

Where are you planning to buy your parts/system?

thanks again

hm i was planing to buy a complete computer because i dont know so much about hardware so it will be hard for me to put it all together in single pieces, but i can see it will be almost impossible to find a compleate system with all the parts in it, and i will also have to buy a win 7 for it then

im from Denmark so it will be from a danish webpage i think

Alrighty, good luck Feel free to post what you’re thinking of grabbing.

If you don’t want to overlock EVER, just wanted to mention you might save a few bucks getting the locked versions of the CPU (without the K.) But the difference in price is minimal, and you might change your mind. So I still suggest getting the K version.

As for being worried about overclocking, I can understand. In theory you could damage a CPU doing it. But it’s unlikely these days due to the fact the CPUs will throttle back speed if they get too hot. And if you overclock by only adjusting multiplier, it seems unlikely to do damage. In other words, dont’ mess with stuff like voltage. It’s a simple matter to bump multipler to 4.3 Ghz, and run the game, and if it’s stable, call it a day, otherwise bump down by 1 and try again.

GPU overlocking is also possible, but possibly not too useful (based on my own experience where the GPU does not seem to be the limiting factor)

Most motherboards nowadays have some sort of automatic overclocking function that gives a solid boost, without the trouble, specially aimed at novice overclockers!

okay thanks i will go with the K version

but first of all i need to find a webpage that allows me to build my own computer

Okay a freind gave me a site whare i can build my computer i know it on danish but could you guys tell me what pices to put in it,

here is a link to the building site
http://www.proshop.dk/CustomPCBuilder/ConfigurationManager.aspx?templateName=Gaming#

You have forgotten the optical drive it seems like. i did not covert the danish to english on the website but the optical drive is blank. I suggest to get one with your build to load the games you purchase onto your new build.

“Gothicraptor” its not my build thats just the defult page when you want to start buildinig so i haven’t chosen anithing yet

This is what I would pick that is a combination of recommended parts and decent deals.

But uhhhh…. it is @ almost 10000 pounds (i.e. $16000). In the USA I would expect to pay about $1000 for that system (600 pounds).

Your new system consists of:
Components:
Processor: Intel Core i5 2500K 3.30 GHz (4 Cores – 4 Threads) [Sandy Bridge] [Multiplier Unlocked]
CPU Coolers: Arctic Cooling Freezer 13
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-M [Ivy Bridge]
Memory: Kingston DDR3 – 1600 MHz – 8GB (2 × 4GB) HyperX (gray series)
Graphics: ASUS HD7870-DC2-2GD5
Hard drive 1: OCZ Agility 3 SSD 120GB
Hard 2: Seagate Barracuda – 1TB
Optical Drive 1: Samsung SH-222BB DVD ± RW Black
Housing: Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus Midi Tower
Power supply: Corsair Enthusiast Series TX750 V2
Software packages:
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium w/SP1 64bit (Danish) OEM

Thanks very much Swedemom,
i think i will go with that build. so will i be able to play GW2 with full settings with that computer and games like BF 2

Correct, a workmate of mine plays GW2 is quite pleased with his 7870, he has a first gen i7. If you wanted to go one notch better go with the GTX 670. As for the i5-2500k and a decent air cooler you can easily go from 3.3GHz to well over 4GHz while maintaining safe temperatures. Look up a couple guides on Google if you’re interested.

Note though, that some people claim the GTX 6xx cards may have more issues with fps. I think the jury is out on that – seems more like a CPU issue.

Get the Intel Core i5-3570K instead of the 2500K, it is one generation newer.

The reason people are suggesting Ivy, is that Sandy overclocks better, Virtual. There’s explantions of this online – supposedly the way the silicon is mounted to the package means the heat transfer is inferior to Ivy. I wondered if that was the case as that seemed odd – then I read where someone did some surgery on the CPU to fix this, and got better OCing. This is not for most people, so if you want the best OCer, go with Sandy. If you want the best stock performance, go with Ivy.

Ivy IS faster. But it’s main thing seems to be the integrated graphics, which few of us are ever going to use.

Ivy (in conjunction with newer chipsets) also supports something else, but I am fuzzy on exactly what. PCI 3.0? I can’t say for sure.

@michaeljhuman.3940, Thanks for pointing that out.

It’s true Sandy has lower thermals for big overclocks (4.5+GHz), because both i5-2500K and i7-2700K are rated at 95W TDP, and Intel uses fluxless solder as TIM for anything >=95W TDP. Ivy, on the other hand, has lesser TDP, so Intel uses a thermal paste as TIM, making those chips hotter for high overclocks. There is a good review of this here.

However, if the op doesn’t wish for anything above 4.5GHz, I would still recommend the i5-3570K, since the small performance increase between both at stock clocks is amplified a bit by overclocking — but only if you can find both CPUs at similar prices. If the 2500K is much cheaper, go for it.

Ivy supports PCI-E 3.0, but only on compatible motherboards (Z77 mostly, some Z68 also support it on the first PCI-E 16x slot or have PCI-E 3.0 bridge chips). However the gain over PCI-E 2.0 16x for graphics cards is minimal at this point.