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Posted by: wout goovaerts.1306

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Hello, I’m having unreasonable performance for my hardware. This occurs in world vs world events (Dropped down to 11fps) and in big citiies. My computer specifications are:

CPU: Amd FX8350
Motherboard: Asus Crossfire V formula
Graphics cards: Crossfire XFX7950’s
Ram: Corsair Vengeance 16GB ram 1600Mhz
PSU: 1000W be quiet

Current drivers: Catalyst software suite 13,4
I’ve done my resarch and used provided hotfixes such as:

Amd FX/bulldozer hotfix
Updated drivers
https://en.support.guildwars2.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9196/~/guild-wars-2-optimization-%26-performance

Does anyone have any clue of what I could do to achive proper performance?

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Posted by: Ilithis Mithilander.3265

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Wait for it…

overclock. WvW zerg battles will drop your FPS to dumb frame rates just because of how the game’s engine is coded. I expect even with an overclock to 4.5Ghz you’ll get at most 20-25FPS. Oh also, drop your WvW settings down to the lowest character detail and lowest culling setting (seeing the most people) or the notch above that so it hides the people farthest away. I seriously wonder if people even use anything higher than the lowest character detail in WvW…

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Posted by: Avelos.6798

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Don’t use the hotfix for bulldozer or vishera processors. I used it and windows did not deactivate unneeded cores and the performance dropped very badly. I uninstalled it to let Windows manage which cores are used and it’s all fine. Lower frames are to be expected from the AMD counterparts unfortunately. I have the FX-8350 as well. Again, that hotfix for disabling the windows core parking is a bad idea.

I get like 30-40 FPS in lion’s arch central area and 60 FPS (v/sync is yes) in most other places and like 10 FPS in huge zerg battles in wvw but whatever that’s like one place.

also I use 7970s so we’re pretty even on this issue.

In fact, we have the same specs. Just different brands and I have a 7970 while you have a 7950 (high five for similar machines!)

The one thing that is holding back our processors is single threaded performance unfortunately.

the only way you’ll get performance like Intel users is by either switching to an intel processor like an i5 or i7, or overclocking the FX-8350 to like 4.5 GHz or something. But honestly? Don’t bother switching to an intel processor if it’s just for guild wars 2. This game’s great but no game is worth a 400-500 dollar upgrade for 20% better frame rates.

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Posted by: Caedmon.6798

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Don’t use the hotfix for bulldozer or vishera processors. I used it and windows did not deactivate unneeded cores and the performance dropped very badly. I uninstalled it to let Windows manage which cores are used and it’s all fine. Lower frames are to be expected from the AMD counterparts unfortunately. I have the FX-8350 as well. Again, that hotfix for disabling the windows core parking is a bad idea.

I get like 30-40 FPS in lion’s arch central area and 60 FPS (v/sync is yes) in most other places and like 10 FPS in huge zerg battles in wvw but whatever that’s like one place.

also I use 7970s so we’re pretty even on this issue.

In fact, we have the same specs. Just different brands and I have a 7970 while you have a 7950 (high five for similar machines!)

The one thing that is holding back our processors is single threaded performance unfortunately.

the only way you’ll get performance like Intel users is by either switching to an intel processor like an i5 or i7, or overclocking the FX-8350 to like 4.5 GHz or something. But honestly? Don’t bother switching to an intel processor if it’s just for guild wars 2. This game’s great but no game is worth a 400-500 dollar upgrade for 20% better frame rates.

You realize that statement…it just isn’t true,At All ..right ?You will Not get a 20% performane boost from just switching to an i7,stop pulling numbers out of your kitten like that. The 8350 outperformance some i5 or even i7.Not even speaking about the price/perf ratio…

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3770K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

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Posted by: muslumgurseks.4951

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Don’t use the hotfix for bulldozer or vishera processors. I used it and windows did not deactivate unneeded cores and the performance dropped very badly. I uninstalled it to let Windows manage which cores are used and it’s all fine. Lower frames are to be expected from the AMD counterparts unfortunately. I have the FX-8350 as well. Again, that hotfix for disabling the windows core parking is a bad idea.

I get like 30-40 FPS in lion’s arch central area and 60 FPS (v/sync is yes) in most other places and like 10 FPS in huge zerg battles in wvw but whatever that’s like one place.

also I use 7970s so we’re pretty even on this issue.

In fact, we have the same specs. Just different brands and I have a 7970 while you have a 7950 (high five for similar machines!)

The one thing that is holding back our processors is single threaded performance unfortunately.

the only way you’ll get performance like Intel users is by either switching to an intel processor like an i5 or i7, or overclocking the FX-8350 to like 4.5 GHz or something. But honestly? Don’t bother switching to an intel processor if it’s just for guild wars 2. This game’s great but no game is worth a 400-500 dollar upgrade for 20% better frame rates.

You realize that statement…it just isn’t true,At All ..right ?You will Not get a 20% performane boost from just switching to an i7,stop pulling numbers out of your kitten like that. The 8350 outperformance some i5 or even i7.Not even speaking about the price/perf ratio…

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3770K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

Well that statement is also not true… Single core performance of Amd Cput is like half of what Intel has so for MMOs Amd will not be as good as intel. Know the difference between CPU intensive games and GPU intensive games. For other games like Battlefield, Bioshock and similar kitten Amd can compete even get better performance than intel at certain resolutions but not on MMOs not with this single core performance.

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Posted by: Skyline.3480

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AMD processors are inferior to Intel’s in every possible way. Only in very specific integer calculations will their 4 module Bulldozer architecture come close to the performance of a 4 core heyperthreaded intel CPU.

For every other task AMDs CPUs are terrible.

Here, I was recently reading up an interesting article that can give you an idea of how terrible AMD’s hardware divide instruction is. Just to mention something.
http://hackaday.com/2011/12/01/binary-division-when-your-processor-lacks-hardware-division/

And lets not mention the FPU. Is a miracle GW2 runs at anything more 25 fps on AMD hardware, considering how severely computational heavy the game is.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

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The goal of AMD when they designed the FX was one FX Module under two threads should be equivalent to one Intel Core iX core running two threads with Hyper Threading turned on. Don’t forget they started to design the FX soon after the socket 1366 Core i7s just came out.

And in some cases a FX-8350 is very close to a i7-2600 when doing mulithreaded apps like CineBench or POV-Ray.

But that’s fully loaded. Games in general aren’t loading the CPU down and when an Intel core doesn’t need to run two threads at the same time it spanks an FX module running only one core. And since in WvW and player packed events and zones (LA) appear to be more CPU bound than GPU, it only makes sense that choosing Intel over AMD makes sense.

As for FPU perfomance, AMD has never matched Intel’s FPU performance even on the Phenom II platform. As for the sharing in an FX module, you just have to remember that the goal was to match FX module to Intel HT core in which case it’s still one FPU for every two threads. And FPU/MMX/SEEx aren’t used very much in games, as oppose to engineering/science applications, so that impacts very little.

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The problem comes from the muddling of the concept of cores. Yes the i7-4770 has four cores but due to HT the OS sees 8, allowing 8 threads to run at the same time. But the performance gain going from 4 threads running to 8 threads running on the i7 isn’t going to be a lot, 10-20% because running two threads at the same time in one core simply improves the overall efficiency of the core which means that each thread is now running at 55-60% of single thread per core performance instead of just 50%. And that’s the performance AMD decided to target with their core design in an FX module and NOT the single thread performance of an Intel core but just 55-60%. So in situations when the CPU isn’t fully loaded, like a lot of games, and if those games are CPU bound and not GPU bound, then lntel will always come out on top.

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Posted by: Avelos.6798

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Don’t use the hotfix for bulldozer or vishera processors. I used it and windows did not deactivate unneeded cores and the performance dropped very badly. I uninstalled it to let Windows manage which cores are used and it’s all fine. Lower frames are to be expected from the AMD counterparts unfortunately. I have the FX-8350 as well. Again, that hotfix for disabling the windows core parking is a bad idea.

I get like 30-40 FPS in lion’s arch central area and 60 FPS (v/sync is yes) in most other places and like 10 FPS in huge zerg battles in wvw but whatever that’s like one place.

also I use 7970s so we’re pretty even on this issue.

In fact, we have the same specs. Just different brands and I have a 7970 while you have a 7950 (high five for similar machines!)

The one thing that is holding back our processors is single threaded performance unfortunately.

the only way you’ll get performance like Intel users is by either switching to an intel processor like an i5 or i7, or overclocking the FX-8350 to like 4.5 GHz or something. But honestly? Don’t bother switching to an intel processor if it’s just for guild wars 2. This game’s great but no game is worth a 400-500 dollar upgrade for 20% better frame rates.

You realize that statement…it just isn’t true,At All ..right ?You will Not get a 20% performane boost from just switching to an i7,stop pulling numbers out of your kitten like that. The 8350 outperformance some i5 or even i7.Not even speaking about the price/perf ratio…

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3770K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

then feel free to explain to me why a buddy of mine get’s much better performance on his i5 3570K than my FX-8350?

He has better frames on an i5 3570K + AMD Radeon HD 7770 than my AMD FX-8350 + AMD Radeon HD 7970.

Guild Wars 2 focuses on more single threaded performance than multi-threaded, something that the intels currently beat AMD at. This is coming from an owner and user of a completely high end AMD PC.

You also failed to realize that he would need to buy a new board as well.

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then feel free to explain to me why a buddy of mine get’s much better performance on his i5 3570K than my FX-8350?

His computer is tweaked and maintained far better than yours?

In all seriousness though, without knowing more details, there could be a multitude of reasons why. Also what is “much better”? 3 FPS? 30 FPS? Consistent 20 FPS at all times?

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Posted by: Avelos.6798

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then feel free to explain to me why a buddy of mine get’s much better performance on his i5 3570K than my FX-8350?

His computer is tweaked and maintained far better than yours?

In all seriousness though, without knowing more details, there could be a multitude of reasons why. Also what is “much better”? 3 FPS? 30 FPS? Consistent 20 FPS at all times?

Maybe around 10 or better in cities like lion’s arch. I know that he runs his i5 at around 4.3 or so GHz.

also ours is maintained about the same level.

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then feel free to explain to me why a buddy of mine get’s much better performance on his i5 3570K than my FX-8350?

His computer is tweaked and maintained far better than yours?

In all seriousness though, without knowing more details, there could be a multitude of reasons why. Also what is “much better”? 3 FPS? 30 FPS? Consistent 20 FPS at all times?

Maybe around 10 or better in cities like lion’s arch. I know that he runs his i5 at around 4.3 or so GHz.

also ours is maintained about the same level.

This is normal, intel processors perform better in most games because they are single threaded apps, fx8350 is a great chip but it won’t catch up with the i5 in GW2, only thing u can do is overclock as high as possible. As soon as game engines start doing the FPU calculations on the GPUs u will see a good inprovement using AMD hardware for games, untill that it will be intel all the way.