Guild Wars 2

Hi guys so as the title says I’m upgrading from a core 2 duo e4600 @ 2.4 Ghz
to a i3 4130 @ 3.4 Ghz along with a new mobo & 8gb ram x1 @ 1333 Mhz so my question is will I get a decent & flawless FPS? I know most people said that upgrading your CPU will get you a significant increase regardless of your GPU but I really want to know if this cpu can handle almost everything in this game. Btw I’m using a gt 630 2gb ddr3 and I plan to upgrade my GPU soon but for now I’ll be focusing on upgrading my CPU, mobo, & RAM because of budget.
How many fps will I get in PVE, PVP, WvW, & in major cities?
I’m playing at low-medium settings & 1280×1024 (75Hz). I don’t plan on changing my settings at high because of my GPU as long as I get a smooth FPS.

Thanks Guys!

Quetz,

In this game there is no such thing as ‘flawless’

While a i3-4130 is a lot faster then your Core 2, the Game is still CPU dependent. So content that involves tons of players will still have issues.

but I predict a better experience for all other content.

You would be better off with an i5 your looking at about $50, more for a 4th gen i5. Maybe even less than that.

Thanks..

Well what fps do you think I can get with this new cpu and current gpu
in terms of Major Cities & WvW?

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

Thanks..

Well what fps do you think I can get with this new cpu and current gpu
in terms of Major Cities & WvW?

what is you gpu? the iGPU in the haswell chip might be faster than your current gpu.

edit: I just aw you gpu in the edit. Your current gpu is barely faster than the iGPU of the haswell cpu.

The haswell cpu should give you much better playable settings. Think 60 fps on medium

zergs will dip much less.

Feirlista Xv.1425:

You would be better off with an i5 your looking at about $50, more for a 4th gen i5. Maybe even less than that.

A friend of mine has a i5-4670K and his brother has a i3-4130 and their using almost the same gpu’s and he was suprised that his brother has almost the same power (in terms of fps) as his i5.

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

Thanks..

Well what fps do you think I can get with this new cpu and current gpu
in terms of Major Cities & WvW?

what is you gpu? the iGPU in the haswell chip might be faster than your current gpu.

edit: I just aw you gpu in the edit. Your current gpu is barely faster than the iGPU of the haswell cpu.

The haswell cpu should give you much better playable settings. Think 60 fps on medium

It’s a gt 630 2gb ddr3 and the iGPU of the i3 4130 is hd4400. I don’t think it’s powerful than my gt 630.

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

Feirlista Xv.1425:

You would be better off with an i5 your looking at about $50, more for a 4th gen i5. Maybe even less than that.

A friend of mine has a i5-4670K and his brother has a i3-4130 and their using almost the same gpu’s and he was suprised that his brother has almost the same power in (terms of fps) as his i5.

thats going to depend on the ingame settings and screen resolutions used.

GW2 is a single threaded game. so its no surprise that an i3 and i5 can play the game the same. But the harder you push the ingame settings and the higher the res you plan to go, the more that i5 is going to shine over that i3.

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

Feirlista Xv.1425:

You would be better off with an i5 your looking at about $50, more for a 4th gen i5. Maybe even less than that.

A friend of mine has a i5-4670K and his brother has a i3-4130 and their using almost the same gpu’s and he was suprised that his brother has almost the same power in (terms of fps) as his i5.

most of cpu speed is determined by architecture. I am not surprised since gw2 is usually bottleneck by one thread.

same architecture, same single fps. Your friend should learn how to overclock

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

Thanks..

Well what fps do you think I can get with this new cpu and current gpu
in terms of Major Cities & WvW?

what is you gpu? the iGPU in the haswell chip might be faster than your current gpu.

edit: I just aw you gpu in the edit. Your current gpu is barely faster than the iGPU of the haswell cpu.

The haswell cpu should give you much better playable settings. Think 60 fps on medium

It’s a gt 630 2gb ddr3 and the iGPU of the i3 4130 is hd4400. I don’t think it’s powerful than my gt 630.

current kaveri apu is faster than a gt630. A new haswell refresh might beat you gpu.

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

Thanks..

Well what fps do you think I can get with this new cpu and current gpu
in terms of Major Cities & WvW?

what is you gpu? the iGPU in the haswell chip might be faster than your current gpu.

edit: I just aw you gpu in the edit. Your current gpu is barely faster than the iGPU of the haswell cpu.

The haswell cpu should give you much better playable settings. Think 60 fps on medium

It’s a gt 630 2gb ddr3 and the iGPU of the i3 4130 is hd4400. I don’t think it’s powerful than my gt 630.

current kaveri apu is faster than a gt630. A new haswell refresh might beat you gpu.

Correct me if I’m wrong, is the kaveri apu the new amd chip?

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

Thanks..

Well what fps do you think I can get with this new cpu and current gpu
in terms of Major Cities & WvW?

what is you gpu? the iGPU in the haswell chip might be faster than your current gpu.

edit: I just aw you gpu in the edit. Your current gpu is barely faster than the iGPU of the haswell cpu.

The haswell cpu should give you much better playable settings. Think 60 fps on medium

It’s a gt 630 2gb ddr3 and the iGPU of the i3 4130 is hd4400. I don’t think it’s powerful than my gt 630.

current kaveri apu is faster than a gt630. A new haswell refresh might beat you gpu.

Correct me if I’m wrong, is the kaveri apu the new amd chip?

yea ignore what he is saying. He’s trying to derail this by throwing AMD’s APUs in the mix. Since you are going Intel this does not apply to you at all.

Though, the HD4000 series in an i3 MIGHT just be on par, or faster then a GT630. Youll have to test that one yourself :-)

sirsquishy.8531:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

Thanks..

Well what fps do you think I can get with this new cpu and current gpu
in terms of Major Cities & WvW?

what is you gpu? the iGPU in the haswell chip might be faster than your current gpu.

edit: I just aw you gpu in the edit. Your current gpu is barely faster than the iGPU of the haswell cpu.

The haswell cpu should give you much better playable settings. Think 60 fps on medium

It’s a gt 630 2gb ddr3 and the iGPU of the i3 4130 is hd4400. I don’t think it’s powerful than my gt 630.

current kaveri apu is faster than a gt630. A new haswell refresh might beat you gpu.

Correct me if I’m wrong, is the kaveri apu the new amd chip?

yea ignore what he is saying. He’s trying to derail this by throwing AMD’s APUs in the mix. Since you are going Intel this does not apply to you at all.

Though, the HD4000 series in an i3 MIGHT just be on par, or faster then a GT630. Youll have to test that one yourself :-)

i am not recommending an apu. I giving an op a real comparison.

gt 630 is faster than intel current iGPU offerings. I am just saying OP gpu is old. The OP will be gpu bottleneck. I am just making sure that the op knows that if his performance wont go any higher is because of his slow gpu after haswell upgrade

btw, haswell has intel hd 4400

sirsquishy.8531:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

Thanks..

Well what fps do you think I can get with this new cpu and current gpu
in terms of Major Cities & WvW?

what is you gpu? the iGPU in the haswell chip might be faster than your current gpu.

edit: I just aw you gpu in the edit. Your current gpu is barely faster than the iGPU of the haswell cpu.

The haswell cpu should give you much better playable settings. Think 60 fps on medium

It’s a gt 630 2gb ddr3 and the iGPU of the i3 4130 is hd4400. I don’t think it’s powerful than my gt 630.

current kaveri apu is faster than a gt630. A new haswell refresh might beat you gpu.

Correct me if I’m wrong, is the kaveri apu the new amd chip?

yea ignore what he is saying. He’s trying to derail this by throwing AMD’s APUs in the mix. Since you are going Intel this does not apply to you at all.

Though, the HD4000 series in an i3 MIGHT just be on par, or faster then a GT630. Youll have to test that one yourself :-)

Food for thought on the iGP of your i3/i5;

My Laptop has a i7 and a HD3000 IGP (as well as a HD7690M). I was testing my IGP at 1360×768 on medium settings the other day, and I could sustain 30FPS in just about everywhere (except Zerg stuff, I was dropping down to 8-11FPS).

The HD4000 series is a lot faster then the HD3000, so you MIGHT be able to use the IGP with your stated resolution and have a decent experience :-)

BUT, I still suggest looking at a HD7790 or R7 260x (same card really) Make sure you get a 2GB version. As that card is really good for the price, and Nvidia has NOTHING on it until the 149 range (GT750Ti)

sirsquishy.8531:

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

Thank you for your suggestion.
About the GPU upgrade I was planning to buy the gtx 750 ti over the 260x do you think it’s more powerful or slight difference?

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

Thank you for your suggestion.
About the GPU upgrade I was planning to buy the gtx 750 ti over the 260x do you think it’s more powerful or slight difference?

I would say. upgrade your cpu first then buy a gpu later. that haswell cpu is a good choice

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

Thank you for your suggestion.
About the GPU upgrade I was planning to buy the gtx 750 ti over the 260x do you think it’s more powerful or slight difference?

Honestly, the 750Ti is only 8-12% faster then the 260×. But costs nearly 50 more. I would stay with a 260x due to cost, and save for a bigger better card down the road.

for comparison,

Cost analysis.
260x to a 270 is $80~ more and the 270 is twice as fast as the 260×.
260x to a 280x is $180~more and the 280x is three times as fast as the 260x
260x to a 750Ti is $50~ more, and the 750Ti is only 8-12% faster then the 260×.

note – I do not buy Nvidia GPUs anymore.

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

Thank you for your suggestion.
About the GPU upgrade I was planning to buy the gtx 750 ti over the 260x do you think it’s more powerful or slight difference?

I would say. upgrade your cpu first then buy a gpu later. that haswell cpu is a good choice

Yes that’s what I’m going to do as I said earlier and thank you for letting me know that the iGPU might be faster than my gt 630.

sirsquishy.8531:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

Thank you for your suggestion.
About the GPU upgrade I was planning to buy the gtx 750 ti over the 260x do you think it’s more powerful or slight difference?

Honestly, the 750Ti is only 8-12% faster then the 260×. But costs nearly 50 more. I would stay with a 260x due to cost, and save for a bigger better card down the road.

for comparison,

Cost analysis.
260x to a 270 is $80~ more and the 270 is twice as fast as the 260×.
260x to a 280x is $180~more and the 280x is three times as fast as the 260x
260x to a 750Ti is $50~ more, and the 750Ti is only 8-12% faster then the 260×.

note – I do not buy Nvidia GPUs anymore.

Why’d you stop using Nvidia GPUs? I liked Nvidia GPUs more than AMD GPUs until now.

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

Thank you for your suggestion.
About the GPU upgrade I was planning to buy the gtx 750 ti over the 260x do you think it’s more powerful or slight difference?

I would say. upgrade your cpu first then buy a gpu later. that haswell cpu is a good choice

Yes that’s what I’m going to do as I said earlier and thank you for letting me know that the iGPU might be faster than my gt 630.

Yea, I use apu as minimum baseline for gpu performance. There is a reason why I use it as comparison. If intel iGPU is faster, I will let the op know to allow them to save money.

Your current gt 630 is faster than any intel iGPU. It most likely will not change with the haswell refresh but when intel moves to a new smaller process. Intel iGPU will prob beat your GPU with ddr4.

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

Thank you for your suggestion.
About the GPU upgrade I was planning to buy the gtx 750 ti over the 260x do you think it’s more powerful or slight difference?

Honestly, the 750Ti is only 8-12% faster then the 260×. But costs nearly 50 more. I would stay with a 260x due to cost, and save for a bigger better card down the road.

for comparison,

Cost analysis.
260x to a 270 is $80~ more and the 270 is twice as fast as the 260×.
260x to a 280x is $180~more and the 280x is three times as fast as the 260x
260x to a 750Ti is $50~ more, and the 750Ti is only 8-12% faster then the 260×.

note – I do not buy Nvidia GPUs anymore.

Why’d you stop using Nvidia GPUs? I liked Nvidia GPUs more than AMD GPUs until now.

I stopped using them when AMD started to come out with better drivers. That’s when AMD started to beat Nvidia on the GPUs for the price point.

Nothing from Nvidia can touch a R7 260x or HD7790 for its price of $99-$109, the first GPU from Nvidia that can touch that starts at $149 (the 750Ti)

Before the 750’s came out, you had to start at a 660, and they were starting at $169~

So for me, that’s why now. AMD just plays better in the ‘cheaper’ market then Nvidia/Intel.

And since, they have also done a lot driver fixing too.

Beyond the Tier2 card list, its a preference between AMD and Nvidia as they all perform about the same.

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

Thank you for your suggestion.
About the GPU upgrade I was planning to buy the gtx 750 ti over the 260x do you think it’s more powerful or slight difference?

I would say. upgrade your cpu first then buy a gpu later. that haswell cpu is a good choice

Yes that’s what I’m going to do as I said earlier and thank you for letting me know that the iGPU might be faster than my gt 630.

Yea, I use apu as minimum baseline for gpu performance. There is a reason why I use it as comparison. If intel iGPU is faster, I will let the op know to allow them to save money.

Your current gt 630 is faster than any intel iGPU. It most likely will not change with the haswell refresh but when intel moves to a new smaller process. Intel iGPU will prob beat your GPU with ddr4.

yea you can’t do that when the person in question is buying an Intel CPU. Comparing the APU graphics to an Intel CPU when the Intel CPU has already been bought/budgeted just makes no sense.

As for the GT630 being faster then the HD Grpahics, I think your right on most fronts. The issue I am having is finding a solid bench lineup with a HD4400 Graphics vs other GPUs. And the HD4400 Benches I find are all from laptops.

sirsquishy.8531:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

Thank you for your suggestion.
About the GPU upgrade I was planning to buy the gtx 750 ti over the 260x do you think it’s more powerful or slight difference?

Honestly, the 750Ti is only 8-12% faster then the 260×. But costs nearly 50 more. I would stay with a 260x due to cost, and save for a bigger better card down the road.

for comparison,

Cost analysis.
260x to a 270 is $80~ more and the 270 is twice as fast as the 260×.
260x to a 280x is $180~more and the 280x is three times as fast as the 260x
260x to a 750Ti is $50~ more, and the 750Ti is only 8-12% faster then the 260×.

note – I do not buy Nvidia GPUs anymore.

Why’d you stop using Nvidia GPUs? I liked Nvidia GPUs more than AMD GPUs until now.

I stopped using them when AMD started to come out with better drivers. That’s when AMD started to beat Nvidia on the GPUs for the price point.

Nothing from Nvidia can touch a R7 260x or HD7790 for its price of $99-$109, the first GPU from Nvidia that can touch that starts at $149 (the 750Ti)

Before the 750’s came out, you had to start at a 660, and they were starting at $169~

So for me, that’s why now. AMD just plays better in the ‘cheaper’ market then Nvidia/Intel.

And since, they have also done a lot driver fixing too.

Beyond the Tier2 card list, its a preference between AMD and Nvidia as they all perform about the same.

Ok thanks for the heads up.
Really helped me here especially for the gpu upgrade, now I’m having second thoughts for the 750 ti and taking your suggestion about the 7790 & 260×. Thanks again.

sirsquishy.8531:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

Thank you for your suggestion.
About the GPU upgrade I was planning to buy the gtx 750 ti over the 260x do you think it’s more powerful or slight difference?

I would say. upgrade your cpu first then buy a gpu later. that haswell cpu is a good choice

Yes that’s what I’m going to do as I said earlier and thank you for letting me know that the iGPU might be faster than my gt 630.

Yea, I use apu as minimum baseline for gpu performance. There is a reason why I use it as comparison. If intel iGPU is faster, I will let the op know to allow them to save money.

Your current gt 630 is faster than any intel iGPU. It most likely will not change with the haswell refresh but when intel moves to a new smaller process. Intel iGPU will prob beat your GPU with ddr4.

yea you can’t do that when the person in question is buying an Intel CPU. Comparing the APU graphics to an Intel CPU when the Intel CPU has already been bought/budgeted just makes no sense.

As for the GT630 being faster then the HD Grpahics, I think your right on most fronts. The issue I am having is finding a solid bench lineup with a HD4400 Graphics vs other GPUs. And the HD4400 Benches I find are all from laptops.

sorry, I should had made my intention more clear.

I was writing an elaborate way to say that his gpu is pretty slow. Dont blame the cpu when your fps dips

he might be experiencing a gpu bottleneck

loseridoit.2756:

sirsquishy.8531:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

Thank you for your suggestion.
About the GPU upgrade I was planning to buy the gtx 750 ti over the 260x do you think it’s more powerful or slight difference?

I would say. upgrade your cpu first then buy a gpu later. that haswell cpu is a good choice

Yes that’s what I’m going to do as I said earlier and thank you for letting me know that the iGPU might be faster than my gt 630.

Yea, I use apu as minimum baseline for gpu performance. There is a reason why I use it as comparison. If intel iGPU is faster, I will let the op know to allow them to save money.

Your current gt 630 is faster than any intel iGPU. It most likely will not change with the haswell refresh but when intel moves to a new smaller process. Intel iGPU will prob beat your GPU with ddr4.

yea you can’t do that when the person in question is buying an Intel CPU. Comparing the APU graphics to an Intel CPU when the Intel CPU has already been bought/budgeted just makes no sense.

As for the GT630 being faster then the HD Grpahics, I think your right on most fronts. The issue I am having is finding a solid bench lineup with a HD4400 Graphics vs other GPUs. And the HD4400 Benches I find are all from laptops.

sorry, I should had made my intention more clear.

I was writing an elaborate way to say that his gpu is pretty slow. Dont blame the cpu when your fps dips

he might be experiencing a gpu bottleneck

yea totally, his GT630 (really its a GT440) is going to bottleneck their CPU. Nothing can be done about it with out replacing it.

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your GT630 is weaker then an HD5570, My HD5570 was capable of 40FPS in medium settings at 1600×900 in most areas.

Youll want to make sure your GPU isnt stressed to much, else you will not really see a huge benefit on the CPU upgrade. So disable shadows, Reflections, and probably set shaders to Low, until you get a better GPU.

I would suggest a r7 260x 2GB card (they vary between 99 and 119, you can get them on sale quite often at newegg.com), as for your resolution you should be able to play the game on high settings with the i3 and 260×.

If you upgrade your monitor to a 1080P display then youll want to look at an i5 and atleast something in the R7 270 – R7 280x range (look at benchmarks and such) for the best visual display GW2 has to offer.

Thank you for your suggestion.
About the GPU upgrade I was planning to buy the gtx 750 ti over the 260x do you think it’s more powerful or slight difference?

Honestly, the 750Ti is only 8-12% faster then the 260×. But costs nearly 50 more. I would stay with a 260x due to cost, and save for a bigger better card down the road.

for comparison,

Cost analysis.
260x to a 270 is $80~ more and the 270 is twice as fast as the 260×.
260x to a 280x is $180~more and the 280x is three times as fast as the 260x
260x to a 750Ti is $50~ more, and the 750Ti is only 8-12% faster then the 260×.

note – I do not buy Nvidia GPUs anymore.

Why’d you stop using Nvidia GPUs? I liked Nvidia GPUs more than AMD GPUs until now.

I stopped using them when AMD started to come out with better drivers. That’s when AMD started to beat Nvidia on the GPUs for the price point.

Nothing from Nvidia can touch a R7 260x or HD7790 for its price of $99-$109, the first GPU from Nvidia that can touch that starts at $149 (the 750Ti)

Before the 750’s came out, you had to start at a 660, and they were starting at $169~

So for me, that’s why now. AMD just plays better in the ‘cheaper’ market then Nvidia/Intel.

And since, they have also done a lot driver fixing too.

Beyond the Tier2 card list, its a preference between AMD and Nvidia as they all perform about the same.

Ok thanks for the heads up.
Really helped me here especially for the gpu upgrade, now I’m having second thoughts for the 750 ti and taking your suggestion about the 7790 & 260×. Thanks again.

Here is a screenshot from my system when I had my HD7790 (260x) back in January.
Thats with everything on full details. And before I put my giant heatsinks on and OC’d the card to the teeth.

I guess I’ll have to find out if it’ll be gpu bottlenecked when I test them like Sirsquishy said earlier.

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

I guess I’ll have to find out if it’ll be gpu bottlenecked when I test them like Sirsquishy said earlier.

you should be experience a cpu bottleneck. Both amd and intel have processors faster than a core 2 duo. In fact, apple a7 ( yes, the ones in a iphone) can beat a core 2 duo in benchmarks.

Your fps will go up upgrading your cpu but how much is the real question. I try to accurate explain your gains and your current against setup against the hardware upgrade. I am trying to display as much information as a I can that is easy to understand.

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Quetzalcoatl.7218:

I guess I’ll have to find out if it’ll be gpu bottlenecked when I test them like Sirsquishy said earlier.

you should be experience a cpu bottleneck. Both amd and intel have processors faster than a core 2 duo. In fact, apple a7 ( yes, the ones in a iphone) can beat a core 2 duo in benchmarks.

Your fps will go up upgrading your cpu but how much is the real question. I try to accurate explain your gains and your current against setup against the hardware upgrade. I am trying to display as much information as a I can that is easy to understand.

I think you might be right that hd4400 might be faster than my gt 630 but still I have to test them both to see any difference. Thanks.

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

loseridoit.2756:

Quetzalcoatl.7218:

I guess I’ll have to find out if it’ll be gpu bottlenecked when I test them like Sirsquishy said earlier.

you should be experience a cpu bottleneck. Both amd and intel have processors faster than a core 2 duo. In fact, apple a7 ( yes, the ones in a iphone) can beat a core 2 duo in benchmarks.

Your fps will go up upgrading your cpu but how much is the real question. I try to accurate explain your gains and your current against setup against the hardware upgrade. I am trying to display as much information as a I can that is easy to understand.

I think you might be right that hd4400 might be faster than my gt 630 but still I have to test them both to see any difference. Thanks.

nvidia gt 630 should be faster.

Nevertheless, upgrade your cpu

I would not buy the i3 at this time for a few reasons:

if you want a budget intel chip and mb combo i would suggest the upcoming Pentium anniversary edition. It is a dual core chip that is significantly overclock-able and is only a tiny bit slower than an i3 when oced to about 4.5.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-overclocking-performance,3849-17.html

Combine that with asus and other board makers enabling overclocking on budget non z chipset motherboards (H97, H87, B85 and H81) and you have a great way to upgrade on a budget. This will perform similar to a i3 setup but at lower cost.

http://www.techpowerup.com/202196/asus-enables-overclocking-on-h97-h87-b85-and-h81-series-motherboards.html

The i3 is not a good value at this moment due to this new combo. I would either stick with a OC Pentium or move up to a budget i5.

The performance per dollar at current prices of the $90 260x (7790) and the $120 750ti are similar, it just depends on your budget and your power supply. Both are good cards and will run high settings well at 1080p.

As for the 750ti: If you have a low end power supply, get one that doesnt have the 6pin connector. If you have a better power supply, get one with a 6pin connector as the card is an excellent overclocker with low heat output, but requires the extra power to reach those speeds.

dodgycookies.4562:

I would not buy the i3 at this time for a few reasons:

if you want a budget intel chip and mb combo i would suggest the upcoming Pentium anniversary edition. It is a dual core chip that is significantly overclock-able and is only a tiny bit slower than an i3 when oced to about 4.5.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-overclocking-performance,3849-17.html

Combine that with asus and other board makers enabling overclocking on budget non z chipset motherboards (H97, H87, B85 and H81) and you have a great way to upgrade on a budget. This will perform similar to a i3 setup but at lower cost.

http://www.techpowerup.com/202196/asus-enables-overclocking-on-h97-h87-b85-and-h81-series-motherboards.html

The i3 is not a good value at this moment due to this new combo. I would either stick with a OC Pentium or move up to a budget i5.

The performance per dollar at current prices of the $90 260x (7790) and the $120 750ti are similar, it just depends on your budget and your power supply. Both are good cards and will run high settings well at 1080p.

As for the 750ti: If you have a low end power supply, get one that doesnt have the 6pin connector. If you have a better power supply, get one with a 6pin connector as the card is an excellent overclocker with low heat output, but requires the extra power to reach those speeds.

Thanks for the suggestion but I wouldn’t consider the pentium anniversary edition.
The reason why I won’t be buying a GPU now is because of the mobo that I will buy which is a ‘Z’ chipset for future upgrades and the i3 has hyper-threading which creates a 2 virtual cores which can help in GW2 because the game is very cpu-bound and my only game in my pc is GW2 and I do stuffs like photoshop & video editing which I think the i3 4130 can handle atm but still I am looking forward to upgrade my gpu next month & the cpu the next year or two but anyway thanks.

While hyperthreaded cores do provide, in general, a performance improvement, they don’t provide a whole lot of boost in this game over one that doesn’t.

Yes this is old but still sound. Scroll down to see the core scaling chart. Only a 3% frame rate gain from a dual core to a HT dual core where a true Intel quad is 26% faster than a HT dual core or 30% faster than a dual core (Intel CPUs of the same family).

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/guild-wars-2-performance-benchmark,3268-7.html

The only time HT should be considered is in multi-threading scenarios.

Since you are doing Photoshop and Video editing, the i3 will out perform the Pent Ann. edition due to the 2 extra thread handles.

Its the same reason I upgraded from a 4670K to a 4790K, for some Virtualization features that are not on the 4670K and the HT since I will be using applications that can thread 50+ times.

well it is more a matter of a dual core 2 thread at 4.5-7 Ghz vs dual core 4 thread at 3.4. Yes there are 2 more threads, but usually hypertreading only increases performance by about a third or less, which would be the same as a Pentium at 4.5 (33% faster than 3.4).

Especially with a z board the oc could be really high. Which makes it about even in most gaming applications. I personally think Gw2 could be better on the Pentium due to how higher clocks rather than more threads benefit the older engine but that will require more data as the chip is relatively new and no dual core intel has been unlocked before for any comparison.

But if OP is doing photo/video editing as well, a HT chip might be better as most editing software can take advantage of the 4 threads.

dodgycookies.4562:

well it is more a matter of a dual core 2 thread at 4.5-7 Ghz vs dual core 2 thread at 3.4. Especially with a z board the oc could be really high. Which makes it about even in most gaming applications. I personally think Gw2 could be better on the Pentium due to how higher clocks rather than more threads benefit the older engine but that will require more data.

But if OP is doing photo/video editing as well, a HT chip might be better.

If i didnt have a G3220, I would have considered buying the Anniversary edition. I think a 4.6ghz dual core chip would beat every i3 out there. The only exception would be on heavily threaded tasks (compression, encoding/decoding…ect)

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If i didnt have a G3220, I would have considered buying the Anniversary edition. I think a 4.6ghz dual core chip would beat every i3 out there. The only exception would be on heavily threaded tasks (compression, encoding/decoding…ect)

I wish they would have released an unlocked i3 as well at the 150 range, which would slot inbetween the current i3s and the budget i5’s. That would have been awesome.

dodgycookies.4562:

sirsquishy.8531:

If i didnt have a G3220, I would have considered buying the Anniversary edition. I think a 4.6ghz dual core chip would beat every i3 out there. The only exception would be on heavily threaded tasks (compression, encoding/decoding…ect)

I wish they would have released an unlocked i3 as well at the 150 range, which would slot inbetween the current i3s and the budget i5’s. That would have been awesome.

man..if only.

Imagine

G3220K $80
i3-4340K $129
i5-4690K $239
i7-4790K $339

that would be a seriously nice lineup….