Guild Wars 2

Ok so this is my build with hardware links. So far I have been able to run any game I’ve come across at max setting 60fps no problem. GW2 however runs extremely badly and always has since its release. I get no more than 30fps and changing in game settings or NVidia control panel settings makes no difference at all. I’ve asked around in my guild and there are people with worse builds than mine that get a full 60fps with out having to tweak anything.

Please what am I doing wrong? I don’t understand why I can play new latest games no problem but GW2 runs bad! Enclosed pic of in game settings.

AMD Athlon 651 Quad Core 3.0Ghz

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-athlon-ii-x4-651-black-edition-s-fm1-quad-core-30ghz-1mb-cache-100w-retail

MSI Cyclone NVidia GTX 460 SE

http://uk.msi.com/product/vga/N460GTX-SE-Cyclone-1GD5-OC-MD.html

Msi A75A-G35 Motherboard

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/A75A-G3kittenml

8gb Ripjaw 1600 Ram

Windows 8 x64 OS

Latest NVidia Driver 310.90

Your amd CPU is serious bottleneck so You won’t see much more fps with this cpu probably.

Like what Mrowqa stated, your CPU is what’s slowing you down. GW2 is very CPU intensive.

Also realize that if you do WvW that you will take a FPS hit regardless of how fast your computer is.

If my CPU was bottle necking my GPU then surely id be getting bad performance on other games as well witch isnt the case. Also GW2 uses just 40% of my CPU.

You don’t go by total CPU usage. What is the usage per core?

Dunno anyway dsnt matter like i said if my CPU is bottle necking my GPU why do other new games run just fine.

GW2 is CPU intensive. Having a high end GPU won’t matter if your CPU is too slow.

But my CPU more than meets the recommended specs advertised for the game.

Ok what if i was to upgrade to this would that help?

http://www.ebuyer.com/393530-asus-sabertooth-990fx-r2-0-socket-am3-8-channel-audio-atx-motherboard-sabertooth-990fx-r2-0

http://www.ebuyer.com/349711-amd-bulldozer-fx-8-8150-8-core-3-6ghz-socket-am3-8mb-l3-cache-fd8150frguwox

no.
Fx 8150 would not help.
I’t single core performance is really low. Almost on same level as your current CPU.

If you want to upgrade go for FX 8350. But while You can afford it i’d add few bucks for i5-2500k or i5-3570K which will give you much more FPS increase then any AMD upgrade.

So if i upgrade to the FX 8350 along with Mobo how long is this gonna last till i need to upgrade again? Cause im looking at a bill of £300 for both the CPU and Mobo wich dsnt seem bad to me its just a hassle having to upgrade all the time. Also lthinking of geting an SSD while im at it

The reason is pritty much all other games dont come close to how much the CPU influences the performance than GW2 does. A First person shooter wont touch the CPU compared to GW2 for example.

GW2 shows up the weakensses of CPU’s very harshly ..specialy AMD cpu’s. Reason being is although AMD cpu’s r great budget CPU’s for ‘efficient’ multi threaded apps and games ..for apps and games that mainly take single thread performance ..they suck.
Intel on the other hand has strong single thread performance.

Point is .. Your CPU is ur problem. Most games tale performance form ur GPU ..not GW2 ..its one of a handfull of modern games that defies normal logic. You need a good CPU ..not a good GPU.

Note if u get a FX 8350 u will NEED to OC it without a doubt. Even intel CPU’s requir a OC for best performance in GW2 but can get away with being stock if u dont WvW much. The FX 8350 though will NEED OC’ing regardless, becouse the performance shortcomings will show up in cities and larger PvE events.

In all honesty if ur chaning motherboard aswell .. go intel.
If u have a motherboard that can fit a FX 8350 already ..get the FX 8350 to save money,

If you don’t recommend the FX 8350 the what intel cpu should i get that will do the job note this upgrade isnt just for gw2.

Depends on ur budget, but the best u can get for gaming would be the 3570k. If u go a generation older ur looking at the 2550k or 2500k. All are i5’s. If you wanted u coudl go i7 with the 3770k but it wouldnt help much in msot games.

If ur going for a $300 already plus a SSD i recommend forgeting about a SSD and spending extra to get a 3570k + Motherboard.

K just ordered the 3570k with mobo and a 128gig ssd now just need to pick out a new graphics card thanks ofr the help all

Your old 460 will run GW on a mixture of medium and high settings most likely.
But if u want somthing better look at the Nvidia 660ti, AMD 7870 Tahiti LE, and AMD 7950.

and that’s the 660ti ordered! Thanks again for all the help now i best go explain to the wife where all this money has gone! I may not live to build this machine lol

http://youtu.be/eu8Sekdb-IE

i wont bother trying to counter the fud about how horrible amd is, as the OP already ordered intel, to bad in some games its gonna run alot worse then an 8350….but if the only game he plays is gw2, he would have been fine getting an high end i3…..

I said this upgrade wsnt just for gw2 that would be stupid paying over £600 to play just 1 game. There are a few more games i’m looking forward to playing this year and Final Fantasy a realm reborn is one of them. Thanks to being a Legacy member i have guaranteed beta access that starts next month.

SolarNova.1052:

GW2 shows up the weakensses of CPU’s very harshly ..specialy AMD cpu’s.

What ? GW2 shows up the weakness of ArenaNet’s engineers, because they failed to make a game that’s playable even on 2000 USD rigs.

If CPU usage sits at 30-40% it’s not the CPU’s weakness. It’s the developers fault. There IS a LOT of spare horsepower. Game just can’t use it, because it’s not properly optimized.

Period.

Yea i agree i forgot that i said that some players i asked had lower spec machines than mine and still got better fps. Also ive noticed in the forums allot of performance issues / complaints about this game Anet said there aware of it and thats about it lol.

It shows the weakness of the single thread performance.
I did mention AMD r perfectly fine for optimised multi thread apps and games
But their single thread performance is lacking and wiht the way GW2 works ..it shows up this weakness.
I agree GW2 could do more if its main performance threads were split up among more than just 1 main one and 2 secondaries with 47 ish minors. It would run much better if that 1 main threads was split into say 4 threads along with those 2 secondaries and 47 others. .then u would see MUCH better performance from both AMD’s and intel. Alass ..its easier said than done..so u need astorng single thread performing CPU ..hence Intel.

Ofcourse if u dont WvW or have never been in a truly BIG battle ..u may not see how badly GW2 can hammer CPU’s. ‘BIG’ is subjective ..so lets say ~100 man battles is BIG. Get into one of them and i garuntee all AMD cpu’s out whether OC’d or not ..will drop below 30 fps. And if u claim otherwise .. Vid’s pls ..becouse we would all love to see it and find out how u managed it

well said CptBadger well said, the problem is that the cpu his spikes of 100% use on 1 core, and the games got 3 critical threads to fps, this means when any 1 of those 3 hits 100% even for a moment at a time, it holds back the other 2 and thus holds the game back.

theres no real fix for this other then anet working hard to either split those threads up into smaller threads that can work over more cores OR optimizing those threads so they dont max out cores on decent rigs.

Radium: I have played this game on x6 1055t@3.6, 8120@4.6, 8350@4.6, as well as on friends high end i7 rigs(2 of them being x edition chips overclocked to 4.5+) and, its crazy how this game acts, many times my system was getting more consistent fps then an i7 980x@4.6 with 24gb of ddr3@2166(or around that), the game would spike at times higher then I tend to get, but, my minimum fps where consistent, where that 980x would drop into the teens, he also had better video cards then I have, its kinda crazy he was shocked….(honestly so was I knowing how much he spent on that rig….i mean he spent around 3500 on it….and my rig i spent FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR less on is getting a better play experience.

One thing to note: that cpu you have, if the board supports it could be pushed to 3.8 or even 4.2 range (would probably need better cooler) that would probably help.

I have built many systems with both amd and intel cpu’s and honestly, the ONLY time I notice a dif is when benchmarking, in real game play, I have yet to see a noticeable dif when using the same or similar hardware configurations, I know it happens, Hell I have build 12 systems all identical and even cloned the hdd across all of them, exect same bios and such, 3 of them had serious issues stuttering, ended up having to tare them all the way down, and re assemble them to get them working properly…..and then, running the same benches they all god dif scores……pretty funny……

watch the video I linked, will give you an idea why I roll my eyes at all the intel fanboi bs around here…..

amd isnt bad, intel isnt bad, gw2 just has serious issues…..its why my whole group of friends have decided to not put any more money into the game till they get it fixed, hell we are even working on our own private server for another mmo (plan a heavily customised nothing like the retail servers), to hold us till anet can get gw2 running better.

they are not alone though, red5 are having a really fun time trying to get firefall to be less single core dependant, even their dev’s admit they should have thought of this and worked on it sooner, the engine they used was designed before most people had dual cores let alone quad, hex and octa core cpus in home….so they are having to re-write major parts of the engine to get things working decently the more stuff they add to the game.

BUT at least red5 are doing this during beta rather then after release…….glares at anet

i prepurchased, and I do love the game, I just wish anet had gone dx11, and had been more diligent about making their game run decently on modern systems dual core thru octa core.

The 980X is generation 1. They have just as ‘bad’ single thread performance as most AMD’s and only slightly better than Core 2 Quads. The performance increase from the Core 2 Quads to the 1st Gen i series was from hyperthreading mainly (there were other techs added ofc).

The big performance boost was with 2nd gen (sandybridge) and 3rd gen (Ivybridge)

1st gen vs 2nd gen is like night and day performance wise.
Take a gander.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

That be why ur friend’s X series are havinf simalar performance to AMD cpu’s.

Btw ..not a fanboy :P ..i work on facts, figures, and benchmarks, only

If the only option to achieve playable framerates in this game is to buy an i5 and freaking OC it to 4.5Ghz then… well… that’s all there is to say.

Because changing graphic options SHOULD have an impact on performance. But it does not.

Multicore processors have been mainstream before they even started to work on this game. There is just no excuse for what they are selling.

Very well said Jazhara Knightmage and CptBadger.

Solarnova are you an Intel salesman? :p

The athlon should run the game just fine for PVE, i have seen laptop dual core arthons running the game just fine during PVE, there must be something wrong with ur hardware. The gtx 460 is a great card i would not upgrade it yet since new gen is comming soon. U should check if ur system is running properlly, temperatures, clean the interior of the case for dust and all that. The GTX460 can run this game at high setting at 60FPS i guarantee that.

SolarNova: funny I have looked at alot of compairsons and the i7 980x/990x vs the 8150/8350

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/142?vs=434

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/142?vs=697

note:passmark is not indicative of perf in games, yet thats what your link used….

also the 3960x vs the 990x dosnt show the dif to be that massive(both at stock in all cases)

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/443?vs=444

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=701

the 970/980/990x in some cases are very close to or faster then newer chips, espicially the ones that are similar, the 2500k/2600k/3500k/3700k series chips, anand isnt perfect either but it was fast to grab, alot of benches where they use updated encoding software for example show the older first gen i7’s in better light then the newer yet similar models.

but, no, the first gen i7’s and i5’s are not as “slow per core” as the amd bulldozer/piledriver chips are in most benches, they are faster.

on the other hand, stuff like cinebench r11 in many reivews shows the 8350 being faster then the top intel chips that cost a good bit more.

Intels lower end stuffs great if all you wana do is play poorly threaded games and console ports, AMD’s chips start to show their power when you hit stuff like bf3 where the game can take advantage of more cores.

this will give an idea how close the latest intels and the older 900 series are http://www.anandtech.com/show/5091/intel-core-i7-3960x-sandy-bridge-e-review-keeping-the-high-end-alive/5

very close.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/2

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2055/5/

http://techreport.com/r.x/amd-fx-8350/bf3-fps.gif

this video has some good info
http://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd-fx-8350-vs-intel-3570k-vs-3770k-vs-3820-gaming-and-xsplit-streaming-benchmarks

and TekSyndicate is great(watch some of their videos, good stuff)

last few links
http://click.hardforum.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fphoto%2Fmy-images%2F21%2Fbfcasbmp.jpg%2F&id=1&match=1&source=none&destination=none

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2948/bf3casbmpmed.jpg
older 8150 but it shows that some games like bf3 take advantage of AMD chips better then others, given time, Anet will hopefully get their act togather and get us a patch that will make the game run better.

mind tho, bf3 is one of the few games whos engine was really written/rewritten to take advantage of more cores, this is the way forward……

for now tho, if the only games you care about are heavly single thread dependant, the best buy is an i3 with HT and clock the crap out of it, why spend more for cores your not gonna use?

Jazhara Knightmage.4389:

SolarNova: funny I have looked at alot of compairsons and the i7 980x/990x vs the 8150/8350

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/142?vs=434

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/142?vs=697

note:passmark is not indicative of perf in games, yet thats what your link used….

also the 3960x vs the 990x dosnt show the dif to be that massive(both at stock in all cases)

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/443?vs=444

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=701

the 970/980/990x in some cases are very close to or faster then newer chips, espicially the ones that are similar, the 2500k/2600k/3500k/3700k series chips, anand isnt perfect either but it was fast to grab, alot of benches where they use updated encoding software for example show the older first gen i7’s in better light then the newer yet similar models.

but, no, the first gen i7’s and i5’s are not as “slow per core” as the amd bulldozer/piledriver chips are in most benches, they are faster.

on the other hand, stuff like cinebench r11 in many reivews shows the 8350 being faster then the top intel chips that cost a good bit more.

Intels lower end stuffs great if all you wana do is play poorly threaded games and console ports, AMD’s chips start to show their power when you hit stuff like bf3 where the game can take advantage of more cores.

this will give an idea how close the latest intels and the older 900 series are http://www.anandtech.com/show/5091/intel-core-i7-3960x-sandy-bridge-e-review-keeping-the-high-end-alive/5

very close.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/2

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2055/5/

http://techreport.com/r.x/amd-fx-8350/bf3-fps.gif

this video has some good info
http://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd-fx-8350-vs-intel-3570k-vs-3770k-vs-3820-gaming-and-xsplit-streaming-benchmarks

and TekSyndicate is great(watch some of their videos, good stuff)

last few links
http://click.hardforum.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fphoto%2Fmy-images%2F21%2Fbfcasbmp.jpg%2F&id=1&match=1&source=none&destination=none

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2948/bf3casbmpmed.jpg
older 8150 but it shows that some games like bf3 take advantage of AMD chips better then others, given time, Anet will hopefully get their act togather and get us a patch that will make the game run better.

mind tho, bf3 is one of the few games whos engine was really written/rewritten to take advantage of more cores, this is the way forward……

for now tho, if the only games you care about are heavly single thread dependant, the best buy is an i3 with HT and clock the crap out of it, why spend more for cores your not gonna use?

I’d like to see You clocking hell out of i3 wihtout burning your system down while it has locked multipliers and only way is to increase bus which in long term may cause many problems to your rig along with ddr3 and usb controllers.

Second of all Every single test out there comparing 8350 vs lets say 3570k are tests which favor more cores.
And still those 8 cores vs basic 4 cores for intel don’t fall back as much as they should.

Why ?

because Intel will preform still faster in single thread scenario allowing it to get more tasks per core.

Best exmaple was givien some time ago when intel cpu ( 3570k vs 8350) done 4-5 tasks per core while amd done 2. while Intel got only 4 cores and no hyper threading vs 8 cores.

Now imagine what would happen to that amd cpu if intel would implement 6 or 8 cores to 3570k instead of 4.

Sad truth is that in every single multithreaded test + most aplications like graphic rendering AMD will outpreform intel because it has more cores.

In most games like bf3(non multiplayer)/ witcher2/ metro2033 and all other graphicaly heavy games ( that are not multiplayer nor mmo’s ) AMD will be close or on par with intel because most of these games are GPU heavy which means that your FPS will be as good as your graphic card is.

While in almost every MMO and first person shooter ( multiplayer mode ) an Intel CPU will and should outshine Any AMD cpu.

Also There is no way you ever should compare an intel 3570/3770 to 8350.

Why ? because intel CPu’s were launched around Q2 of 2012 while piledriver series ( 4300/6300/8350 ) were launched in late Q4 of 2012.

Thats almost half year later.

And now when intel going to launch new CPU’s in late Q1 or early Q2 AMD will fall back again for almost whole year because they announced that new AMD cpu will be out in late 2013.

and thats not a fanboy talk.

Intel is and always was best in games.
While AMD always shined in aplications and rendering.

Mrowqa.3861:

I’d like to see You clocking hell out of i3 wihtout burning your system down while it has locked multipliers and only way is to increase bus which in long term may cause many problems to your rig along with ddr3 and usb controllers.

Second of all Every single test out there comparing 8350 vs lets say 3570k are tests which favor more cores.
And still those 8 cores vs basic 4 cores for intel don’t fall back as much as they should.

Why ?

because Intel will preform still faster in single thread scenario allowing it to get more tasks per core.

Best exmaple was givien some time ago when intel cpu ( 3570k vs 8350) done 4-5 tasks per core while amd done 2. while Intel got only 4 cores and no hyper threading vs 8 cores.

Now imagine what would happen to that amd cpu if intel would implement 6 or 8 cores to 3570k instead of 4.

Sad truth is that in every single multithreaded test + most aplications like graphic rendering AMD will outpreform intel because it has more cores.

In most games like bf3(non multiplayer)/ witcher2/ metro2033 and all other graphicaly heavy games ( that are not multiplayer nor mmo’s ) AMD will be close or on par with intel because most of these games are GPU heavy which means that your FPS will be as good as your graphic card is.

While in almost every MMO and first person shooter ( multiplayer mode ) an Intel CPU will and should outshine Any AMD cpu.

Also There is no way you ever should compare an intel 3570/3770 to 8350.

Why ? because intel CPu’s were launched around Q2 of 2012 while piledriver series ( 4300/6300/8350 ) were launched in late Q4 of 2012.

Thats almost half year later.

And now when intel going to launch new CPU’s in late Q1 or early Q2 AMD will fall back again for almost whole year because they announced that new AMD cpu will be out in late 2013.

and thats not a fanboy talk.

Intel is and always was best in games.
While AMD always shined in aplications and rendering.

oh my god…..

first, yes you should compare the current batch of intel and amd cpu’s, based on price, because they are what people have to choose from NOW, nobody gives a flying kitten when a chip came out if its what they can buy when they are upgrading/building a new system.

second intel CANT put out true 8 +core chips at this point on a desktop socket, they could put 2 quad core dies on a desktop socket, like amd do with their 16core server chips, but even then, it may not fit under the IHS due to the size of intel cores.

thats why intel is following AMD in the RnD side working on shared resource designes similar to dozer/driver cores.

haswel wont bring much new, it will add FMA support (That amd has had for 2 generations now) but, from what i been reading, It wont be bringing much in the way of single thread perf boost, they have pretty much hit the wall, we wont see any massive jumps like we saw from p4 to core2 or k6 to athlon in the future, the future is multi threading…

oh and BF3 would like to have a word with you about how intel is better for multi player fps games……..because it likes bulldozer/piledriver’s design.

oh and “intel is and always best in games” ROFL wow, your a major fanboi if you can say that seriously.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2003/09/23/athlon_64_vs_pentium_4/5

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1517/9

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1517/10

i could list dozens more…….dozens more that show your full of crap…..intel is better in most games today, but most games today are console ports, those that arent that favor intel tend to be using old game engines, like skyrim….old kitten engine….

oh and every single review site out there disagrees with you about how you shouldnt compare the 4300/6300/8300 chip lines with the 3000 series from intel, again, only a fanboi would say you shouldnt compare them.

AMD also has piledriver2(from rummors) on the way, as well as steamroller due out in the next year or 2.

intel wins in some apps, amd in others, intel wins in some games, amd in others.

as to the i3, i had read a k series i3 was coming out some time back….also read alot about people turbo clocking the i3…. http://www.vortez.net/news_story/intel_core_i3_2120k.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-13.html

funny how close intel and amd are there…yet you say amd is crap for games and intel always rules…………

I could link more but, you are clearly a fanboi, i mean saying intels always been better and always will be…..you outed yourself right there, I could go even farther back to the p3 vs original athlon……

As others have said, your CPU is the issue here.

But my question is, what FPS do you come to expect out of GW2 on your system? If you want to max FPS you are going to need to get a i5-2500 or an i7. Rip and replace the Motherboard…ect. Lot of work and a reinstall of windows(unless you know the work around…install the default AHCI 1.0 Controller, and reboot)

if 60FPS is acceptable, then boost your Core Voltage by 0.25 and you should be able to get close to 60FPS while playing PvE, and 45~ on moderate PVP/WvW. I wouldnt push the Core Voltage any higher then that with out buying a better CPU heatsink/Cooler(Do research).

But the biggest issue though, your CPU is an FM1 socket. I really wish it was a AM3+ or just an AM3. All the APUs are AthlonII based CPUs (PhenomII’s with out the L3 cache) so CPU wise, you are looking at another Board if you want to get more out of it.

the FX CPUs are on AM3+ Sockets, I am not aware of any that are on FM1, I do know some of the newer APUs(A10’s) will have L3 Cache, but are also on the FM2 Socket(FM2 will not fit on FM1, but FM1 CPUs will work in FM2 Sockets…ect)

So at best, Boost the core Voltage(or download K10Stat and play with it, as it works wonders on Stepping in windows…there are guides for it out there), Wait for Anet to optimize the CPU settings in GW2, or rip and replace your CPU/Motherboard for something better (At this point and time, I would go no less then an Intel SB i5-2500. They ARE The best bang for your Buck!!)

Radium.5019:

Ok so this is my build with hardware links. So far I have been able to run any game I’ve come across at max setting 60fps no problem. GW2 however runs extremely badly and always has since its release. I get no more than 30fps and changing in game settings or NVidia control panel settings makes no difference at all. I’ve asked around in my guild and there are people with worse builds than mine that get a full 60fps with out having to tweak anything.

Please what am I doing wrong? I don’t understand why I can play new latest games no problem but GW2 runs bad! Enclosed pic of in game settings.

AMD Athlon 651 Quad Core 3.0Ghz

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-athlon-ii-x4-651-black-edition-s-fm1-quad-core-30ghz-1mb-cache-100w-retail

MSI Cyclone NVidia GTX 460 SE

http://uk.msi.com/product/vga/N460GTX-SE-Cyclone-1GD5-OC-MD.html

Msi A75A-G35 Motherboard

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/A75A-G3kittenml

8gb Ripjaw 1600 Ram

Windows 8 x64 OS

Latest NVidia Driver 310.90

the one good thing about his system is that its got an unlocked cpu, he should be able to get a 1/2 decent OC by simply slapping a decent cooler on it.

I do recommend the xigmatek Aiger with 2 akasa viper fans (or cheaper you can get 120×38mm panaflo’s on ebay) the stock fans “ok” but the vipers or panaflo’s work alot better.

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm

I would also recommend getting some decent thermal goop, prolimatek pk-1 or pk-3 are good options(very easy to deal with and dont dry out)

the cpu you have i would expect to get at least 3600 out of, seen alot of reports of people getting around 4ghz out of it…..(but that takes skill and a good board)

for the money, the aiger is one of the best coolers out there, I have one on my 8350(was on my 8120 as well) at 4.6ghz 1.43volts, keeps it within spec temp wise using 2 panaflo’s(gonna get vipers on it next month i think, did that for a friend and they are quieter then the panaflo’s and give the same temps!!!)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/190719723140?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

those are the panaflo fans, you just have to swap the pins in the connector around(easy peasy) and they will plugin to a standard board no problem

the vipers are easier as they come with the standard connector http://www.scan.co.uk/products/120mm-akasa-viper-fan-high-performance-s-flow-blade-pwm-fan-inc-rubber-mounting-pins

I LOVE the 140vipers I have, excellent fans, the panaflo fans are great if your enough of a geek to swap the pins in the connector around(just takes a toothpick or the like and a couple min of fiddling)

Kind of late but anyway. Disabling core parking helped me get around 20fps. Refer to this thread (Reddit): http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/14pz85/bad_fps_this_might_help_you_out/