Guild Wars 2

I’m considering purchasing a 4770k and just want to hear about others experiences.
I’ll probably get the z87 asus hero mother board.

What exactly do you want to know about it? The order of succession from the 2600k has kept the i7 mainstream series as a definite sought after proc. Is there anything in particular you want info on?

I own a Sandy – E and have a 4770k computer i built downstair for a family member.

Both CPU’s run GW2 as good as u can expect. The 4770k isnt OC’d but handle GW2 as good as can be expected, and my 3930k is OC’d to 4.6ghz and also handle GW2 as good as can be expected.

bassicaly u cant get better than a 2nd/3rd/4th gen i7 k verison CPU atm.

FYI. Unless u specificaly need somthing from the Asus hero board, if ur just looking to get it for its visual red/black style, then a MSI GD65 or GD45 gaming is cheaper and looks just as good.
The Hero is still a brilliant board, just thought i would throw out another option Most of Asus’s cheaper boards are that horrid fake gold color, thought maybe u were just getitng the hero for its visuals :P

sobe.4157:

What exactly do you want to know about it? The order of succession from the 2600k has kept the i7 mainstream series as a definite sought after proc. Is there anything in particular you want info on?

well, there is a lot of bad blood floating around the net about haswell. From all I read its mostly lies from 2nd and 3rd gen owners. haswell has the same junk solder between the cpu and heat spreader ivy bridge has. the only difference is the lithography is smaller on haswell to make room for the graphics controller and some power controller I don’t fully understand yet….anyway that causes slightly more heat than ivy did. so overclock wise most are only getting to 4.2 -4.5 on air, which is acceptable I think. I was just looking for someonw with real life experience using the chip.

I own a Sandy – E and have a 4770k computer i built downstair for a family member.

Both CPU’s run GW2 as good as u can expect. The 4770k isnt OC’d but handle GW2 as good as can be expected, and my 3930k is OC’d to 4.6ghz and also handle GW2 as good as can be expected.

bassicaly u cant get better than a 2nd/3rd/4th gen i7 k verison CPU atm.

FYI. Unless u specificaly need somthing from the Asus hero board, if ur just looking to get it for its visual red/black style, then a MSI GD65 or GD45 gaming is cheaper and looks just as good.
The Hero is still a brilliant board, just thought i would throw out another option Most of Asus’s cheaper boards are that horrid fake gold color, thought maybe u were just getitng the hero for its visuals :P

thanks for the input. I want the hero board for its overclocking capabilities, and crazy fun built in features like secure erase, and ram disk.
what kind of FPS are you seeing in gw2 with that haswell?

Its a bit of a pain to get steady figures in GW2 as there is no way to accuratly benchmark. Each WvW battle is different for example.

However i was able to stay above 20 FPS with the haswell just like i can with the Sandy-E, thats in really BIG zergs. The 3930k does better since its OC’d, but both stay above 20. Usualy averaging 30-40 FPS.

Using Max graphics settings(including SuperSampling) except reflections on terrain and Sky @ 1920×1080. With culling set to Character Limit: highest, and Texture Limit: Medium.

That said one good place to compare as it does generaly stay very simular between tests, is the northern waypoint in LA, go acroos the bridge towards the MF and looking towards the MF measure the FPS there. This is the place u go in LA to see the lowest FPS.
Anyway the 4770k non OC system gets arond 32-33 FPS and my 3930k system with OC gets 38-40FPS. I just check with both system as i typed this. remember this is during the halloween patch so FPS figures will be higher once its back to normal.

Same settings on both rigs. They have different GPU’s and such but nether GPU is stressed so its jus tthe CPU’s making the difference.

Btw check this vid out. Its about how motherboards nowerdays have the same overclocking abilities even if u compare the extreme low end to the extreme high end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeuJAOVRoA0

NeedCoffee, from a technological standpoint the 4770k improves performance over the 3770k and even more-so of the 2600k, the diff between Ivy being closer to 3% – 5% though where a lot of those user don’t want to upgrade due to the small improvements not being worth the cost of a new socket. Basically, if you are upgrading 1155 socket, grab a 3770k, if you are doing a full-on upgrade to a new socket, grab the 4770k as it is the current gen. No reason at all to get an 1155 socket board if you are doing a new build, unless of course you are looking to buy used from somewhere like [H] to get a 3770k for $200~ or so.

For the motherboards, realistically any $200 motherboard will overclock on air/water just as well as a $300 – $500 board, BUT, BUT…. I don’t know if any users on this forum mess around with liquid nitrogen like myself, but if you run liquid nitrogen, having an ASUS RoG board can surely show benefit under sub-zero temps. Of course, some people just get RoG boards for “bragging rights” because they overpaid for a board wherein a $180 – $200 board could hit the same clocks.

Do take note however that ur ‘average’ (silicon lottery average) 2700k vs a 3770k vs a 4770k on the SAME consumer grade air or AIO water cooler each time, with a OC, will generaly perform almost identicaly, becouse;
The 2700k will , for example, reach 5ghz, the 3770k 4.7ghz, and the 4770k 4.5ghz, at that point the clock for clock advantages the newer ones has over the older one then dissaper due to the OC clock differences.

I hope that makes sense :P

EDIT: Once u go custom water loop level cooling, then heat isnt the limiting point anymore and ur limited by the actual capabilities of the CPU, at which point ur looking at around the 5ghz mark on all the CPU’s so the 4770k at 5ghz will obviosly do better than a 2700k/3770k at 5ghz.

SolarNova.1052:

EDIT: Once u go custom water loop level cooling, then heat isnt the limiting point anymore and ur limited by the actual capabilities of the CPU, at which point ur looking at around the 5ghz mark on all the CPU’s so the 4770k at 5ghz will obviosly do better than a 2700k/3770k at 5ghz.

This ^ If that doesn’t make sense, a 4770k clocked @ 4GHz will be about the same speed as a 3770k clocked @ 4.2GHz which will be about the same speed as a 2600k clocked @ 4.4GHz. These numbers aren’t accurate, but just to give an easy-to-read example of the newer gen being faster per clock speed.

With any K series CPU you will be placed into the CPU lottery.
I lost the lottery with my 3770k which needs 1.36v to boot to 4.5ghz
I am happy with my oc and decided not to return the CPU.

The TIM in the 3k and 4k series is terrible. I speculate that this was done for a two fold reason by Intel. One to keep costs low and Two to keep clocks lower so users will have to upgrade more frequently. Just a theory

I have read that many people have issues with voltages when trying to get the 4700k’s to 4.5 due to the TIM thermal limitations. More people seem to delid their 4k series to avoid this.

As per other posts tho, don’t let that deter you from getting the newest chipset

Yea bad TIM between the Dye and IHS is a flaw with the 3rd and 4th gen CPU’s but ur only alternative is to delid or find a 2nd gen CPu for sale somehwere and OC the balls of it.

BTW Storm ..u have my sympathies , thats a brutal voltage for 4.5ghz on a 3770k. I was runing my 3930k at 1.36v at 4.6ghz for the first 6 months of its life, im now running at 1,.376v for 4,6ghz. (its not unusual for ur 1st OC setitngs to become unstable, due ot the burn in/break in period). Are u using a Offset OC like me ? or a static voltage OC ?

Static voltage, since I am not really concerned with heat.

My H100i keeps it to a max of 70c during loads in GW2 with fans on Balanced mode.
If I do folding then I can see it go to 80c with the fans sounding like a harrier taking off lol.

I might do offset later on just to see if I can get it down a bit more since the difference is actually fairly high(on the good side)

I generally idle at 32c which is pretty good.

I got some new fans from Corsair(they are awesome for RMA!) since my old ones had bearing issues. They sent the wrong set the first time(3 pin not 4) and sent another set for free. I never paid a red cent.

I was really disappointed with the voltage required but after putting everything together and getting my system stable, I didnt really want to drive an hour back to the store where I bought it to get a replacement lol.

great info guys, than you.

the Asus hero has everything the extreme has minus a few things I dont care about.
it’s only around 200 bucks. Asus makes good products and I love that they understand what their customers want and try to offer it at a good price. The asus 24 inch, 144mhz, 1ms response time monitor for under 300 is another good example of this.
I dint care to much about bragging rights, but a few years down the road the Asus hero will have a better resale value than some generic x87 motherboard.
another reason the hero is a good choice is because it supports insainly fast ram. where those others don’t.

Ok cool. In that case GL with it. it should stand u in good stead for the forseable future as broadwell isnt going to be anything special “30% better energy efficency at the same performance lvl as haswell” (intel qoute).

I want my 7ghz 12 core CPU so I can play GW2 in zergs at 60fps

NeedCoffee.1402:

great info guys, than you.

the Asus hero has everything the extreme has minus a few things I dont care about.
it’s only around 200 bucks. Asus makes good products and I love that they understand what their customers want and try to offer it at a good price. The asus 24 inch, 144mhz, 1ms response time monitor for under 300 is another good example of this.
I dint care to much about bragging rights, but a few years down the road the Asus hero will have a better resale value than some generic x87 motherboard.
another reason the hero is a good choice is because it supports insainly fast ram. where those others don’t.

Sorry, I was more aiming at the MVE (Extreme) owners running on air cooling with that. For $200 it is a fine board for sure, and I don’t think you will be disappointed. Just keep in mind for the $200 range there are many others that accept even higher RAM speeds such as the MSI MPower, etc. And be FULLY aware (I love ASUS products but this is something to acknowledge) that ASUS has an F rating at the Better Business Bureau concerning their RMA department.

The BBB has been in contact with ASUS several times, at which ASUS has said over the years that it will change things with their RMA dept, but they never actually do anything and the BBB keeps contacting them and yet ASUS still does nothing….. Just… Be aware of that bit of information. (The F rating was seemingly taken down @ BBB and I don’t know whats up with that yet, but the warning the BBB gives ASUS is clearly plastered on the page).

wow, good to know. I’ve always heard good things about asus customer service, but maybe not. luckily Newegg has a infamously good rma department.

on a different note on I’ve been reading allot about socket 2011. the crazy pci-e bandwidth might be too awesome to pass up. every 2011 mobo has at least 2 x16 pci-e …

It’s been tested that it will offer no actual improvement, and when it does its about 2%-5% and thats assuming you run triple cards or more and at a high resolution(eyefinity/surround resolutions on triple monitor setups). 2011 cpus are good if you run triple or quad cards, but just running 1 or 2 cards there is no increase over say a 4770k that could be worth the extra cost. IF you are looking at a triple gpu setup or more then I would say get 2011 as it will benefit you more.

As far as ASUS, they make great product they really do, I just wish their cs/rma dept was better.

there is a post floating around here somewhere (maybe in the “post your fps thread”) that is using a socket 2011 setup and claims to have a fps increase using x2 780’s in sli vs non-sli. I pm’ed him a few days ago with some questions but I have yet to hear back.
but maybe it’s a placebo.

I’ve seen the post you keep referencing, but that’s the thing, I’m positive he would be getting the same FPS if he were running a Z87 board with those 2 780s with a 4770k(I mean, look at the pics I posted already running a single GTX 680… I get near his fps on a 680, and a little more than his non-sli fps on my 780 HoF). It’s obvious that if you run 2 vid cards, it should be faster than if you were running a single, regardless what socket you use. But his fps differences from nonsli to sli were so minuscule that he would need another game such as Metro Last Light, Bioshock Infinite, or similar modern AAA title to really show the 2 cards that they can stretch their legs from a single card to SLI.

For gaming you will see 0 difference between a 4930k 2011 setup and a 4770k 1150 setup. On the flip side, if you do a lot of software-based video CONVERSION and video editing, then the extra cores and threads on the 4930k would be the clear choice as you would see a ~25% difference in total time. The money saved from getting a 4770k instead of the 4930k could be put into a better vid card or other areas. It all depends on YOUR needs.

The PCI-E bandwidth will only help once GPU’s get so fast that they fully utilize a 8x PCI-E 3.0 lane. At which point a 2011 rig with 2x 16x lanes will be better.

That said, currently 3 -4 card setups do benefit from a 2011 boards since they can run at x16 x8 x8 and x8 x8 x8 x8 native, but thats a really expensive setup for in all honesty, a small increase in FPS.

And one thing that is more an ‘opinion’ than a fact ..is. IMO a 2011 setup will have a litle extra ‘future resistance’ vs a 1150/5 rig, as you do have those extra cores. This however is going by the assumption that eventually games will start better utilizing ALL the cores.

however its an expensive gamble to take just for a bit of ‘future resistance’…in the short term it wont make any difference.

I would never ‘reccommend’ a LGA 2011 rig for gaming, but i wouldnt say ‘deffinatly dont do it’ ..becouse well ..i’ve done it :P

Games like Crysis 3 and the upcoming BF4 do/will show better top end FPS with a LGA 2011 rig, but u need to have enough GPU grunt to put the strain on the CPU.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/0nIkCAb.jpg[/img]

It’s not that it’s bad by any means, it’s just there isn’t an improvement unless running multi-GPU setups beyond 2 GPUs. Now, if there were more modern games that effectively used all cores, then YES, I can see an actual improvement to coincide with getting for gaming, but 2011 socket (despite what Crawford stated in another thread….) just is not meant for gaming in this current generation. Hopefully soon we will see better implementation of multi-threading.

But if you are doing AutoCAD, 3D Studio Max, Handbrake, etc. stuff that would make use of the extra, then yea the 4930k would definitely be the better choice over say a 4770k.