Guild Wars 2

so built this new PC a few weeks ago and with GW2 specifically, im not really getting the performance I would expect from my build

im currently running on an amd fx 6300 3.5 ghx (overclocked at 3.9)
ga 970 – D3SP (I know motherboard sucks, for overclocking i will get a new one sometime later)
A gtx 760
500W psu
8 gigs RAM

im happy with performance of other games just not gw2 for some reason. Anyone care to explain whats going wrong? Roaming around freely I get around 45 FPS avg
bosses like the new jungle wurm are just HORRIBLE sitting at 6-10 FPS
Im sad….

AMD has poor single core performance compared to Intel.
I just upgraded from an AMD FX-8350 to an i7 4770K and clocked it to 4.4 Ghz.
My FPS basically doubled in most places.

6-10 is about right for Wurm on an AMD CPU.

wow seriously… thats too bad, i rlly liked gw2 and would love to play it at higher fps, but thats like another $400 upgrade… forget that

u guys know of anyway to boost single core performance on amd processors?

Well that’s what happens when they dont support DX11. Game is based on DX9 which people say is more CPU intensive.

So if you are gonna upgrade anything you want a better CPU not GPU if you want better FPS in GW2.
This has been shown on several videos as well. GPU after a certain degree does not matter with GW2, a better processor is required.

Until then we can just keep on waiting and hope the devs finally get around to DX11 support; if they ever get to it that is….

Zypher.6379:

wow seriously… thats too bad, i rlly liked gw2 and would love to play it at higher fps, but thats like another $400 upgrade… forget that

u guys know of anyway to boost single core performance on amd processors?

Well… 400 for CPU and another 150-400 for an overclockable board.

I played the game for a half year with my FX-8350, actually around 8 months or 9 months. It played well enough for me, I just turned off shadows and reflections.

Well that’s a shame, too bad you didn’t ask help here before buying those.

i5-4670K is about as high as single core performance goes, and it sells for tad over $200 atm, the cheapest ASUS Z87 board goes for a bit more than $100 so you’re looking at $350ish upgrade depending on which mobo you want to get. If your parts are only a few weeks old you could ask your vendor if you could still return it or exchange them for those parts. there’s only so much you can do to boost your per core performance.

Also keep in mind that if you have an OEM version of Windows it is tied to your current motherboard, which means new motherboard → new Windows.

locx.6412:

Also keep in mind that if you have an OEM version of Windows it is tied to your current motherboard, which means new motherboard -> new Windows.

Actually by calling Microsoft support you will get New key, there will be instructions after u type OEM key and it says u cant register it with that key.

MakkeOnMies.4718:

locx.6412:

Also keep in mind that if you have an OEM version of Windows it is tied to your current motherboard, which means new motherboard -> new Windows.

Actually by calling Microsoft support you will get New key, there will be instructions after u type OEM key and it says u cant register it with that key.

http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/licensing_faq.aspx#fbid=PjvRiSnv4ll

“A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer’s replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer’s warranty.”

I have heard of similar things tho, but I wonder why Microsoft is breaking their own rules by it.

Zypher.6379:

so built this new PC a few weeks ago and with GW2 specifically, im not really getting the performance I would expect from my build

im currently running on an amd fx 6300 3.5 ghx (overclocked at 3.9)
ga 970 – D3SP (I know motherboard sucks, for overclocking i will get a new one sometime later)
A gtx 760
500W psu
8 gigs RAM

im happy with performance of other games just not gw2 for some reason. Anyone care to explain whats going wrong? Roaming around freely I get around 45 FPS avg
bosses like the new jungle wurm are just HORRIBLE sitting at 6-10 FPS
Im sad….

I dont know, I wonder the same thing, I get 10 FPS when im in WvW with alot of people zerging, but no other game this bad.

I also play Planetside 2 in high settings and let me tell you, you dont know real WvW PVP untill you play that game on a weekends, anyways in Planetside 2 I have been in combat with more them 300+ people on the screen, planes flying over head bombing, shooting you name it and never drop below 40 FPS, and Planetside 2 has wayyy better GFX then Guild Wars 2.

I think it’s the GW2’s engine, it has to be because the Lightforge engine from Planetside 2 runs smooth on my PC with more people on the screen, and getter GFX.

I am willing to bet if they remove name plates over players heads you would see a nice 30 FPS jump, this could be the reason I get no lag in Planetside 2, there are no CHEAP name plates over anyones head, only a small marker can be placed that last 10 seconds if you hit mark target, other then that all enemies and Alli are mark free.

Add all the dynamic events of guildwars in planetside 2 and i guess that the game will drop badly with 300+ poeple on the screen…
I think that it isn’t the graphics who make the game lag. If that was the case, why would the cpu be the bottleneck ? It is just the amount of calculations there are need to be done.

Planetside is just a big arena with no events and a bunch of players. The cpu don’t have to do much to keep the game running.
then look again at battlefield 4, the amount of destructive environment makes the game a lot heavier to use than the ones before.

don’t be too upset. I used to have a 5 year old AMD rig and I had decent fps (well decent for gw2) the only thing that killed me was wvw.
I simply used a few Windows tweaks. I’m at work right now. pm me if your interested.

I see, well changing my rig now would be stupid since its only been like 2 weeks. Maybe in the future sometime.
With the new motherboard and CPU and basically wud be a waste of my previous OEM windows. Maybe I’ll just make do with this for guild wars 2 and if they don’t decide to support multi core performance in like 7-8 weeks, I’ll then look into the 4670 k and z87
Thanks for the replies all, really helped me understand the problem

Even on an i5 3330 @2.8Ghz I’m always at a solid 30 on low, usually reaches 40 in low populated areas. I’ve only got IntelHD graphics too =)

Zypher.6379:

I see, well changing my rig now would be stupid since its only been like 2 weeks. Maybe in the future sometime.
With the new motherboard and CPU and basically wud be a waste of my previous OEM windows. Maybe I’ll just make do with this for guild wars 2 and if they don’t decide to support multi core performance in like 7-8 weeks, I’ll then look into the 4670 k and z87
Thanks for the replies all, really helped me understand the problem

2 weeks? See if you can return your CPU/MB for a ‘restocking fee’ and then buy an i5-4670K. Usually a restocking fee is about 10%-15% of your total order cost (before taxes).

that is what I would do if i were in your shoes.

locx.6412:

MakkeOnMies.4718:

locx.6412:

Also keep in mind that if you have an OEM version of Windows it is tied to your current motherboard, which means new motherboard -> new Windows.

Actually by calling Microsoft support you will get New key, there will be instructions after u type OEM key and it says u cant register it with that key.

http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/licensing_faq.aspx#fbid=PjvRiSnv4ll

“A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer’s replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer’s warranty.”

I have heard of similar things tho, but I wonder why Microsoft is breaking their own rules by it.

It’s because OEM’s are tied back to a Vendor specific activation core key (its the key that generates the End users OEM Licenses). Then those OEM generation unlock Keys are stored in the BIOS of your HP/Dell/IBM Motherboard’s SLIC code.

Even if you wanted to use a HP or Dell OEM key on a none HP/DELL Motherboard, you couldn’t with out hacking the BIOS and Windows Install. As the OEM will fail if it cannot detect the proper SLIC unlock code (New as of EFI support).

So its not just that MS won’t support OEM movement, its that the hardware prevents it in most cases now.

yeah well its not so straigth forward thing to get the new windows activation code, you will need to “talk” with robot for like 30mins to get the process done or atleast that was the case when i did it last time about 2y ago and the fun doesnt end to that, every single driver disc you have for that PC will say its not PC from that manufactor and therefore not working, then you waste 5hours to find drivers for that old PC which is removed from manufactors homesite. Yeah some could say its easier to buy new copy of windows.

MakkeOnMies.4718:

yeah well its not so straigth forward thing to get the new windows activation code, you will need to “talk” with robot for like 30mins to get the process done or atleast that was the case when i did it last time about 2y ago and the fun doesnt end to that, every single driver disc you have for that PC will say its not PC from that manufactor and therefore not working, then you waste 5hours to find drivers for that old PC which is removed from manufactors homesite. Yeah some could say its easier to buy new copy of windows.

If you have an OEM install, you CANNOT get an activation code for that directly from MS. As they do not have the generation key to activate your OEM. Only your OEM does (HP/Dell/IBM/Gateway/Acer/MSI/…ect_).

The method you describe is ONLY for retail versions of Windows, NOT OEM.

Again, YOU CANNOT contact MS on ANY OEM based software (MSSQL, Exchange, Windows….ect) They not only won’t support it, they cannot generate keys for it.

sirsquishy.8531:

MakkeOnMies.4718:

yeah well its not so straigth forward thing to get the new windows activation code, you will need to “talk” with robot for like 30mins to get the process done or atleast that was the case when i did it last time about 2y ago and the fun doesnt end to that, every single driver disc you have for that PC will say its not PC from that manufactor and therefore not working, then you waste 5hours to find drivers for that old PC which is removed from manufactors homesite. Yeah some could say its easier to buy new copy of windows.

If you have an OEM install, you CANNOT get an activation code for that directly from MS. As they do not have the generation key to activate your OEM. Only your OEM does (HP/Dell/IBM/Gateway/Acer/MSI/…ect_).

The method you describe is ONLY for retail versions of Windows, NOT OEM.

Again, YOU CANNOT contact MS on ANY OEM based software (MSSQL, Exchange, Windows….ect) They not only won’t support it, they cannot generate keys for it.

basically they dont generate anything, u give the OEM key code to them adn they confirm its actually legit one(which u have in sticker), and they handle you “OEM free” code which can be used normally on any pc, but as i said i did this last time 2y ago, they may have changed their policies about these things, but its still free to try get new key before buing one.

MakkeOnMies.4718:

sirsquishy.8531:

MakkeOnMies.4718:

yeah well its not so straigth forward thing to get the new windows activation code, you will need to “talk” with robot for like 30mins to get the process done or atleast that was the case when i did it last time about 2y ago and the fun doesnt end to that, every single driver disc you have for that PC will say its not PC from that manufactor and therefore not working, then you waste 5hours to find drivers for that old PC which is removed from manufactors homesite. Yeah some could say its easier to buy new copy of windows.

If you have an OEM install, you CANNOT get an activation code for that directly from MS. As they do not have the generation key to activate your OEM. Only your OEM does (HP/Dell/IBM/Gateway/Acer/MSI/…ect_).

The method you describe is ONLY for retail versions of Windows, NOT OEM.

Again, YOU CANNOT contact MS on ANY OEM based software (MSSQL, Exchange, Windows….ect) They not only won’t support it, they cannot generate keys for it.

basically they dont generate anything, u give the OEM key code to them adn they confirm its actually legit one(which u have in sticker), and they handle you “OEM free” code which can be used normally on any pc, but as i said i did this last time 2y ago, they may have changed their policies about these things, but its still free to try get new key before buing one.

Sorry, but your 100% wrong.

Microsoft does not generate OEM codes at all. They cannot even verify OEM codes to the end user. What they can do is accept an OEM code that validates against the Vendor specific OEM generation Key (that is not the same as your OEM install key, btw) for Updates and validation on windows.

But their activation system does not work with OEM keys.

Your OEM key is tied to your Vendor’s Motherboard. Once you change the Motherboard You lose access to that OEM key. (Again hard coded in the BIOS/EFI’s SLIC)

No one will generate you a new OEM key that you can assign to a new motherboard.
(Regeneration of your Install key ONLY works for Retail versions of windows, As Microsoft actually can generate retail install keys)

End of discussion.

sirsquishy.8531:

Your OEM key is tied to your Vendor’s Motherboard. Once you change the Motherboard You lose access to that OEM key. (Again hard coded in the BIOS/EFI’s SLIC).

I’ve always wondered about this. If that’s truly the case, why did my OS carry over from my HP laptop to my desktop without issues? Other people have had the same luck, too.

Fermi.2409:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your OEM key is tied to your Vendor’s Motherboard. Once you change the Motherboard You lose access to that OEM key. (Again hard coded in the BIOS/EFI’s SLIC).

I’ve always wondered about this. If that’s truly the case, why did my OS carry over from my HP laptop to my desktop without issues? Other people have had the same luck, too.

Once windows OEM is activated, it stays that way. So if you know how, you can do an OEM install and move it to another system. And it will work.
But if you try and do a fresh install, you wont be able to activate the OEM because the validation is done against the key that is locked away in the BIOS/EFI’s SLIC code.

I have tested this over the years, from HP to Dell, from Dell to HP, from either to a custom Retail rig, and One thing that I did forget to mention…Windows will deactivate itself from time to time, to force re-activation. If you need to activate and your doing an OEM install against a Non-OEM Bios, it will fail.

And because of that crap, in the end, I just dropped OEM software.

Now, instead, I have a VLK that I use :-)

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

I see, well changing my rig now would be stupid since its only been like 2 weeks. Maybe in the future sometime.
With the new motherboard and CPU and basically wud be a waste of my previous OEM windows. Maybe I’ll just make do with this for guild wars 2 and if they don’t decide to support multi core performance in like 7-8 weeks, I’ll then look into the 4670 k and z87
Thanks for the replies all, really helped me understand the problem

2 weeks? See if you can return your CPU/MB for a ‘restocking fee’ and then buy an i5-4670K. Usually a restocking fee is about 10%-15% of your total order cost (before taxes).

that is what I would do if i were in your shoes.

thats the things, theres the restocking fee and then i have buy a separate windows OS OEM. It would basically mean me throwing $120 out the door, just used for 2 weeks and i,m not really prepared to let it go that easily.
Anyways, its just gw2 so im ok with it, the other games are working fine.
I guess it just comes down to what im willing to do for gw2, lol

sirsquishy.8531:

Fermi.2409:

sirsquishy.8531:

Your OEM key is tied to your Vendor’s Motherboard. Once you change the Motherboard You lose access to that OEM key. (Again hard coded in the BIOS/EFI’s SLIC).

I’ve always wondered about this. If that’s truly the case, why did my OS carry over from my HP laptop to my desktop without issues? Other people have had the same luck, too.

Once windows OEM is activated, it stays that way. So if you know how, you can do an OEM install and move it to another system. And it will work.
But if you try and do a fresh install, you wont be able to activate the OEM because the validation is done against the key that is locked away in the BIOS/EFI’s SLIC code.

I have tested this over the years, from HP to Dell, from Dell to HP, from either to a custom Retail rig, and One thing that I did forget to mention…Windows will deactivate itself from time to time, to force re-activation. If you need to activate and your doing an OEM install against a Non-OEM Bios, it will fail.

And because of that crap, in the end, I just dropped OEM software.

Now, instead, I have a VLK that I use :-)

completely true, when i was younger, i had this very old acer cpu that we bought, 3 years later, there was a problem with the motherboard, and when we took it to the repair store, they took $150 to install a new motherboard and since they had no VLK OS to use, they got a cheap copy off the internet and asked us not to update it…..
Since i was young, didnt really know how badly was being scammed but i said, sure we wont update. 10 days later, it gave us huge problems, things on the computer wouldnt function properly and a month later, we ended up throwing it out.
(I was 8 then and stupid…)

Zypher.6379:

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

I see, well changing my rig now would be stupid since its only been like 2 weeks. Maybe in the future sometime.
With the new motherboard and CPU and basically wud be a waste of my previous OEM windows. Maybe I’ll just make do with this for guild wars 2 and if they don’t decide to support multi core performance in like 7-8 weeks, I’ll then look into the 4670 k and z87
Thanks for the replies all, really helped me understand the problem

2 weeks? See if you can return your CPU/MB for a ‘restocking fee’ and then buy an i5-4670K. Usually a restocking fee is about 10%-15% of your total order cost (before taxes).

that is what I would do if i were in your shoes.

thats the things, theres the restocking fee and then i have buy a separate windows OS OEM. It would basically mean me throwing $120 out the door, just used for 2 weeks ankitten ot really prepared to let it go that easily.
Anyways, its just gw2 so im ok with it, the other games are working fine.
I guess it just comes down to what im willing to do for gw2, lol

why would you need to throw 120 out the door? Your restocking fee shouldn’t be more then 30-40bucks total?

as for the OEM thing, you got an OEM install with what hardware purchase?

You can buy ‘OEM’ software from a retailer (Newegg for example) and have it teamed with your or other hardware.

But, those are actually Retail keys not OEM keys, labeled as ‘system builder’ keys. They are just sold as OEM per MS’s EULA with the retailer. But you can only buy ‘system builder’ kits with Certain Hardware.

A true OEM key can only be obtained from a manufacturer.

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

I see, well changing my rig now would be stupid since its only been like 2 weeks. Maybe in the future sometime.
With the new motherboard and CPU and basically wud be a waste of my previous OEM windows. Maybe I’ll just make do with this for guild wars 2 and if they don’t decide to support multi core performance in like 7-8 weeks, I’ll then look into the 4670 k and z87
Thanks for the replies all, really helped me understand the problem

2 weeks? See if you can return your CPU/MB for a ‘restocking fee’ and then buy an i5-4670K. Usually a restocking fee is about 10%-15% of your total order cost (before taxes).

that is what I would do if i were in your shoes.

thats the things, theres the restocking fee and then i have buy a separate windows OS OEM. It would basically mean me throwing $120 out the door, just used for 2 weeks ankitten ot really prepared to let it go that easily.
Anyways, its just gw2 so im ok with it, the other games are working fine.
I guess it just comes down to what im willing to do for gw2, lol

why would you need to throw 120 out the door? Your restocking fee shouldn’t be more then 30-40bucks total?

as for the OEM thing, you got an OEM install with what hardware purchase?

You can buy ‘OEM’ software from a retailer (Newegg for example) and have it teamed with your or other hardware.

But, those are actually Retail keys not OEM keys, labeled as ‘system builder’ keys. They are just sold as OEM per MS’s EULA with the retailer. But you can only buy ‘system builder’ kits with Certain Hardware.

A true OEM key can only be obtained from a manufacturer.

not quite understanding this, so i bought the windows 7 OEM from newegg and installed it on my computer.
when i return my motherboard and cpu, wont I need a new copy of windows 7 OEM?? for that new motherboard

Zypher.6379:

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

I see, well changing my rig now would be stupid since its only been like 2 weeks. Maybe in the future sometime.
With the new motherboard and CPU and basically wud be a waste of my previous OEM windows. Maybe I’ll just make do with this for guild wars 2 and if they don’t decide to support multi core performance in like 7-8 weeks, I’ll then look into the 4670 k and z87
Thanks for the replies all, really helped me understand the problem

2 weeks? See if you can return your CPU/MB for a ‘restocking fee’ and then buy an i5-4670K. Usually a restocking fee is about 10%-15% of your total order cost (before taxes).

that is what I would do if i were in your shoes.

thats the things, theres the restocking fee and then i have buy a separate windows OS OEM. It would basically mean me throwing $120 out the door, just used for 2 weeks ankitten ot really prepared to let it go that easily.
Anyways, its just gw2 so im ok with it, the other games are working fine.
I guess it just comes down to what im willing to do for gw2, lol

why would you need to throw 120 out the door? Your restocking fee shouldn’t be more then 30-40bucks total?

as for the OEM thing, you got an OEM install with what hardware purchase?

You can buy ‘OEM’ software from a retailer (Newegg for example) and have it teamed with your or other hardware.

But, those are actually Retail keys not OEM keys, labeled as ‘system builder’ keys. They are just sold as OEM per MS’s EULA with the retailer. But you can only buy ‘system builder’ kits with Certain Hardware.

A true OEM key can only be obtained from a manufacturer.

not quite understanding this, so i bought the windows 7 OEM from newegg and installed it on my computer.
when i return my motherboard and cpu, wont I need a new copy of windows 7 OEM?? for that new motherboard

When you bought the OEM from Newegg, was it bundled with your MB? OR did you pick it out separately as a different line item on the PO?

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

I see, well changing my rig now would be stupid since its only been like 2 weeks. Maybe in the future sometime.
With the new motherboard and CPU and basically wud be a waste of my previous OEM windows. Maybe I’ll just make do with this for guild wars 2 and if they don’t decide to support multi core performance in like 7-8 weeks, I’ll then look into the 4670 k and z87
Thanks for the replies all, really helped me understand the problem

2 weeks? See if you can return your CPU/MB for a ‘restocking fee’ and then buy an i5-4670K. Usually a restocking fee is about 10%-15% of your total order cost (before taxes).

that is what I would do if i were in your shoes.

thats the things, theres the restocking fee and then i have buy a separate windows OS OEM. It would basically mean me throwing $120 out the door, just used for 2 weeks ankitten ot really prepared to let it go that easily.
Anyways, its just gw2 so im ok with it, the other games are working fine.
I guess it just comes down to what im willing to do for gw2, lol

why would you need to throw 120 out the door? Your restocking fee shouldn’t be more then 30-40bucks total?

as for the OEM thing, you got an OEM install with what hardware purchase?

You can buy ‘OEM’ software from a retailer (Newegg for example) and have it teamed with your or other hardware.

But, those are actually Retail keys not OEM keys, labeled as ‘system builder’ keys. They are just sold as OEM per MS’s EULA with the retailer. But you can only buy ‘system builder’ kits with Certain Hardware.

A true OEM key can only be obtained from a manufacturer.

not quite understanding this, so i bought the windows 7 OEM from newegg and installed it on my computer.
when i return my motherboard and cpu, wont I need a new copy of windows 7 OEM?? for that new motherboard

When you bought the OEM from Newegg, was it bundled with your MB? OR did you pick it out separately as a different line item on the PO?

sadly, yes…
bought them from different distibutors

Zypher.6379:

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

I see, well changing my rig now would be stupid since its only been like 2 weeks. Maybe in the future sometime.
With the new motherboard and CPU and basically wud be a waste of my previous OEM windows. Maybe I’ll just make do with this for guild wars 2 and if they don’t decide to support multi core performance in like 7-8 weeks, I’ll then look into the 4670 k and z87
Thanks for the replies all, really helped me understand the problem

2 weeks? See if you can return your CPU/MB for a ‘restocking fee’ and then buy an i5-4670K. Usually a restocking fee is about 10%-15% of your total order cost (before taxes).

that is what I would do if i were in your shoes.

thats the things, theres the restocking fee and then i have buy a separate windows OS OEM. It would basically mean me throwing $120 out the door, just used for 2 weeks ankitten ot really prepared to let it go that easily.
Anyways, its just gw2 so im ok with it, the other games are working fine.
I guess it just comes down to what im willing to do for gw2, lol

why would you need to throw 120 out the door? Your restocking fee shouldn’t be more then 30-40bucks total?

as for the OEM thing, you got an OEM install with what hardware purchase?

You can buy ‘OEM’ software from a retailer (Newegg for example) and have it teamed with your or other hardware.

But, those are actually Retail keys not OEM keys, labeled as ‘system builder’ keys. They are just sold as OEM per MS’s EULA with the retailer. But you can only buy ‘system builder’ kits with Certain Hardware.

A true OEM key can only be obtained from a manufacturer.

not quite understanding this, so i bought the windows 7 OEM from newegg and installed it on my computer.
when i return my motherboard and cpu, wont I need a new copy of windows 7 OEM?? for that new motherboard

When you bought the OEM from Newegg, was it bundled with your MB? OR did you pick it out separately as a different line item on the PO?

sadly, yes…
bought them from different distibutors

Can you find the Link for it on Newegg and Post it here. It might really be a system builder edition (Depending on the motherboard) and not OEM.

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

sirsquishy.8531:

Zypher.6379:

I see, well changing my rig now would be stupid since its only been like 2 weeks. Maybe in the future sometime.
With the new motherboard and CPU and basically wud be a waste of my previous OEM windows. Maybe I’ll just make do with this for guild wars 2 and if they don’t decide to support multi core performance in like 7-8 weeks, I’ll then look into the 4670 k and z87
Thanks for the replies all, really helped me understand the problem

2 weeks? See if you can return your CPU/MB for a ‘restocking fee’ and then buy an i5-4670K. Usually a restocking fee is about 10%-15% of your total order cost (before taxes).

that is what I would do if i were in your shoes.

thats the things, theres the restocking fee and then i have buy a separate windows OS OEM. It would basically mean me throwing $120 out the door, just used for 2 weeks ankitten ot really prepared to let it go that easily.
Anyways, its just gw2 so im ok with it, the other games are working fine.
I guess it just comes down to what im willing to do for gw2, lol

why would you need to throw 120 out the door? Your restocking fee shouldn’t be more then 30-40bucks total?

as for the OEM thing, you got an OEM install with what hardware purchase?

You can buy ‘OEM’ software from a retailer (Newegg for example) and have it teamed with your or other hardware.

But, those are actually Retail keys not OEM keys, labeled as ‘system builder’ keys. They are just sold as OEM per MS’s EULA with the retailer. But you can only buy ‘system builder’ kits with Certain Hardware.

A true OEM key can only be obtained from a manufacturer.

not quite understanding this, so i bought the windows 7 OEM from newegg and installed it on my computer.
when i return my motherboard and cpu, wont I need a new copy of windows 7 OEM?? for that new motherboard

When you bought the OEM from Newegg, was it bundled with your MB? OR did you pick it out separately as a different line item on the PO?

sadly, yes…
bought them from different distibutors

Can you find the Link for it on Newegg and Post it here. It might really be a system builder edition (Depending on the motherboard) and not OEM.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

thats the link, on the cover, it does have an “OEM system builder license” attached to it

That would be stand alone Windows. No need to return it at all.

You will be able to keep that copy and when your new parts come in, install it on the new build.

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I see, well changing my rig now would be stupid since its only been like 2 weeks. Maybe in the future sometime.
With the new motherboard and CPU and basically wud be a waste of my previous OEM windows. Maybe I’ll just make do with this for guild wars 2 and if they don’t decide to support multi core performance in like 7-8 weeks, I’ll then look into the 4670 k and z87
Thanks for the replies all, really helped me understand the problem

2 weeks? See if you can return your CPU/MB for a ‘restocking fee’ and then buy an i5-4670K. Usually a restocking fee is about 10%-15% of your total order cost (before taxes).

that is what I would do if i were in your shoes.

thats the things, theres the restocking fee and then i have buy a separate windows OS OEM. It would basically mean me throwing $120 out the door, just used for 2 weeks ankitten ot really prepared to let it go that easily.
Anyways, its just gw2 so im ok with it, the other games are working fine.
I guess it just comes down to what im willing to do for gw2, lol

why would you need to throw 120 out the door? Your restocking fee shouldn’t be more then 30-40bucks total?

as for the OEM thing, you got an OEM install with what hardware purchase?

You can buy ‘OEM’ software from a retailer (Newegg for example) and have it teamed with your or other hardware.

But, those are actually Retail keys not OEM keys, labeled as ‘system builder’ keys. They are just sold as OEM per MS’s EULA with the retailer. But you can only buy ‘system builder’ kits with Certain Hardware.

A true OEM key can only be obtained from a manufacturer.

not quite understanding this, so i bought the windows 7 OEM from newegg and installed it on my computer.
when i return my motherboard and cpu, wont I need a new copy of windows 7 OEM?? for that new motherboard

When you bought the OEM from Newegg, was it bundled with your MB? OR did you pick it out separately as a different line item on the PO?

sadly, yes…
bought them from different distibutors

Can you find the Link for it on Newegg and Post it here. It might really be a system builder edition (Depending on the motherboard) and not OEM.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

thats the link, on the cover, it does have an “OEM system builder license” attached to it

You do not need to worry about that software. Its system builder. But before you do your returns you must deactivate that install so the key is not tied to that MB anymore. That is the difference between System-builder OEM, and Manufacturer OEM keys. You can deactivate and move the key, where with your Dell/HP’s you cannot.

Here’s how you do that;

Press Windows key + X

Click Comman Prompt (Admin)
At the command prompt, type: slmgr.vbs -upk

Hit Enter, this will uninstall the product key from the computer and set it back to trial mode, you are now free to use it on another computer.

Then setup for the Newegg RMA and get your returns done.

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I see, well changing my rig now would be stupid since its only been like 2 weeks. Maybe in the future sometime.
With the new motherboard and CPU and basically wud be a waste of my previous OEM windows. Maybe I’ll just make do with this for guild wars 2 and if they don’t decide to support multi core performance in like 7-8 weeks, I’ll then look into the 4670 k and z87
Thanks for the replies all, really helped me understand the problem

2 weeks? See if you can return your CPU/MB for a ‘restocking fee’ and then buy an i5-4670K. Usually a restocking fee is about 10%-15% of your total order cost (before taxes).

that is what I would do if i were in your shoes.

thats the things, theres the restocking fee and then i have buy a separate windows OS OEM. It would basically mean me throwing $120 out the door, just used for 2 weeks ankitten ot really prepared to let it go that easily.
Anyways, its just gw2 so im ok with it, the other games are working fine.
I guess it just comes down to what im willing to do for gw2, lol

why would you need to throw 120 out the door? Your restocking fee shouldn’t be more then 30-40bucks total?

as for the OEM thing, you got an OEM install with what hardware purchase?

You can buy ‘OEM’ software from a retailer (Newegg for example) and have it teamed with your or other hardware.

But, those are actually Retail keys not OEM keys, labeled as ‘system builder’ keys. They are just sold as OEM per MS’s EULA with the retailer. But you can only buy ‘system builder’ kits with Certain Hardware.

A true OEM key can only be obtained from a manufacturer.

not quite understanding this, so i bought the windows 7 OEM from newegg and installed it on my computer.
when i return my motherboard and cpu, wont I need a new copy of windows 7 OEM?? for that new motherboard

When you bought the OEM from Newegg, was it bundled with your MB? OR did you pick it out separately as a different line item on the PO?

sadly, yes…
bought them from different distibutors

Can you find the Link for it on Newegg and Post it here. It might really be a system builder edition (Depending on the motherboard) and not OEM.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

thats the link, on the cover, it does have an “OEM system builder license” attached to it

You do not need to worry about that software. Its system builder. But before you do your returns you must deactivate that install so the key is not tied to that MB anymore. That is the difference between System-builder OEM, and Manufacturer OEM keys. You can deactivate and move the key, where with your Dell/HP’s you cannot.

Here’s how you do that;

Press Windows key + X

Click Comman Prompt (Admin)
At the command prompt, type: slmgr.vbs -upk

Hit Enter, this will uninstall the product key from the computer and set it back to trial mode, you are now free to use it on another computer.

Then setup for the Newegg RMA and get your returns done.

oh thats great, thanks for ur help!