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Posted by: Meep.1724

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Hiya,
As the title says, I’m looking for some help in finding a new CPU.
Currently, I use:

CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 450
GPU: AMD Radeon HD 7800

As sidenote: apparently I have an AM3 socket in my motherboard, and due to budget issues, I do not plan on getting a new motherboard, so AM3+ / 1155 sockets are out of the question (sadly).

(I’ve found that an AMD Phenom II X4 965 would be quite good, but can’t seem to buy it anywhere :/)

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Posted by: Espionage.3685

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I have a X3 720 BE currently, but my motherboard allows for core unlocking. So I took my X3 @ 2.8GHz and put it at X4 @ 3.4GHz.

Core unlocking is a bit of a gamble though; might be better off getting a X4 or X6 BE processor.

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Posted by: SolarNova.1052

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imo u should save ur money and till u can afford a motherboard aswell.

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imo u should save ur money and till u can afford a motherboard aswell.

Guess that’s the best option indeed.
Been looking for CPUs and I found some kind of correlation…
If it’s using an AM3 socket, it’s unavailable in any decent (web)shop :/

Well, gonna save up for a motherboard-cpu combo then

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I have a X3 720 BE currently, but my motherboard allows for core unlocking. So I took my X3 @ 2.8GHz and put it at X4 @ 3.4GHz.

Core unlocking is a bit of a gamble though; might be better off getting a X4 or X6 BE processor.

Tried core unlock once. Entered an unending cycle of reboots ^^"
Not gonna try that again

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Posted by: Symbolite.8673

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I was in the same situation. I had a AM3 socket and I couldn’t find anything to replace my processor. Best option will be to get a motherboard / CPU combo. It’ll work out better in the long run as well.

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Posted by: SolarNova.1052

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I know its more expensive Meep but do try get a Intel CPU, specialy if ur aiming to play GW2 alot. They just perform better.

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I know its more expensive Meep but do try get a Intel CPU, specialy if ur aiming to play GW2 alot. They just perform better.

Was aiming for that indeed!
That’s when I discovered my motherboard didnt have the right socket

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A phenom II is PLENTY for this game.

Phenom II > FX single threaded
FX > Phenom II Multi threaded
GW2 = mostly single thread dependent.

There is a lot of math involved but the gist is GW2 is a MOSTLY a single threaded game and the multi-thread performance of the FX is wasted on it. An FX is superior only at multi-threading which is irrelevant to this game at the moment.

A 4.3ghz Phenom II will perform equally with the highest end FX processor overclocked to 5ghz at single threaded performance but cost you $250 less . This can be both calculated on paper and proven with benchmarks. In a multi-thread performance comparison the the results flip and the FX processor wipes the floor with the Phenom II. The trouble is this game doesn’t benefit from multi-threaded performance so you are paying for an advantage this game doesn’t use and paying more for the same amount of performance in the area the game does use.

Essentially if you can find a 965 or better Phenom II for less than a fx-8350 + motherboard(should be able to ) do it beacuse the fx won’t have anything to offer you for the price increase.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

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The game essentially uses, from a system load perspective, more than 2 and no more than 4 cores. More than that and you really don’t see any significant improvement, which is why the FX-8xxx seems like a disappointment. Of course if you have other stuff always running while playing more cores are helpful in general, just the game will barely have enough work for more than 3.

Right now with an AM3+ socket, a Phenom II 965 would work nicely if you can find one. An FX class CPU needs about a 20% clock boost over the Phenom II clock speed for similar performance with the same number of cores.

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A phenom II is PLENTY for this game.

If you can get a 965 to 4.1ghz(easy) you should effectively get the same performance as buying a top of the line $350 AMD FX-9590 in this game.

I max the game out with super sampling on and keep above 30 fps in WvW running a Phenom II 965 x4 at 4.3ghz and keep above 100fps if i turn limiting off in most game areas.

I Highly doubt you get even CLOSE to that 30FPS when there are more then 8 players on the screen.

I run an i5-4670K OC to 4.8Ghz now (Water Cooled), and I will sustain 30FPS in a heavy player setting (20-30players on the screen). And I do that with Native sampling.

OP – Dont listen to this poster, its full of miss information. DO yourself a HUGE favor and either get on an AM3+ System with a FX9-series or a Socket 1150 (4th Gen) and either a i5-K or i7-K. GW2 or not, its the way to go if your going to gut your system and replace the MB/CPU anyway.

AMD will set you back 350-450
Intel will set you back 390-475 (my i5 cost me 420 after taxes).

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A phenom II is PLENTY for this game.

If you can get a 965 to 4.1ghz(easy) you should effectively get the same performance as buying a top of the line $350 AMD FX-9590 in this game.

I max the game out with super sampling on and keep above 30 fps in WvW running a Phenom II 965 x4 at 4.3ghz and keep above 100fps if i turn limiting off in most game areas.

I Highly doubt you get even CLOSE to that 30FPS when there are more then 8 players on the screen.

I run an i5-4670K OC to 4.8Ghz now (Water Cooled), and I will sustain 30FPS in a heavy player setting (20-30players on the screen). And I do that with Native sampling.

OP – Dont listen to this poster, its full of miss information. DO yourself a HUGE favor and either get on an AM3+ System with a FX9-series or a Socket 1150 (4th Gen) and either a i5-K or i7-K. GW2 or not, its the way to go if your going to gut your system and replace the MB/CPU anyway.

AMD will set you back 350-450
Intel will set you back 390-475 (my i5 cost me 420 after taxes).

Look through my past posts on the issue. I have plenty of screen shots on this forum demonstrating 30-40 frames in large zerg scenarios running on my system. A few people even apologized for rudely calling me a liar after I demonstrated to them.
There is no disinformation in the post and the numbers time and time again point to the same conclusion about the Phenom II. The phenom II has greater single thread performance than the FX. Period. THIS IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE.
Phenom II Cores@4.3ghz NB-CPU@3.6ghz under corsair h60.
8gb ddr3 1333, 7770 + 7750 crossfire. (this is what lets me get away with super sampling)

I don’t blame you for being mad that my Phenom II system is beating your I5 system but is not your I5 that’s to blame. You’re I5 should be just fine and I bet a GPU change would send your frame rates well over mine.

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i’m traveling so these are screenies I posted that are still on the forum from 23 days ago. I’ll take more if you need.

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For the record it wasn’t always this way mind you. I’m not sure if removed culling, or mis applied fx optimizations being no longer applied to phenom IIs or what happened but one day i logged in and the game was a totally different animal. I kitten near quit until it happened.

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Look through my past posts on the issue. I have plenty of screen shots on this forum demonstrating 30-40 frames in large zerg scenarios running on my system.

Your definition of ‘large zerg’ must be absolutely patheic.

Oh look, it is.

Neither of those even APPROACH a large zerg. Come back when you can keep a decent framerate in an actual zerg, not a group of 10-15 people.

Not to mention, you’re running a lower resolution, which takes some strain off the GPU for GPU-intensive activities.

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Look through my past posts on the issue. I have plenty of screen shots on this forum demonstrating 30-40 frames in large zerg scenarios running on my system.

Your definition of ‘large zerg’ must be absolutely patheic.

Oh look, it is.

Neither of those even APPROACH a large zerg. Come back when you can keep a decent framerate in an actual zerg, not a group of 10-15 people.

Not to mention, you’re running a lower resolution, which takes some strain off the GPU for GPU-intensive activities.

LMAO You beat me to it!!

One of the screenshots is at boar….BOAR!

The other is basically facing a wall in a cave.

But, Ill give him this, running his Rig on those settings. that’s a decent Frame rate.

But I DARE him to go into WvW, Follow a commander around that has 18-25 other players in the Zerg, get in massive combat with all the particle effects rolling, THEN retake those screenshots he’s Oh so proud of :-)

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yea, the FX9 is an overclocked version of the FX8. But if the OP wasnt open to OC’ing, then the extra cost ‘might’ be worth it.

Same goes between the FX8320 and FX8350.

:-)

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yea, the FX9 is an overclocked version of the FX8. But if the OP wasnt open to OC’ing, then the extra cost ‘might’ be worth it.

Same goes between the FX8320 and FX8350.

:-)

Yeah, I double checked the prices and yanked that out because some of the FX9’s are close enough in price to potentially be worth it. I hadn’t looked at them in a while, so I was running with somewhat out of date information.

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yea, the FX9 is an overclocked version of the FX8. But if the OP wasnt open to OC’ing, then the extra cost ‘might’ be worth it.

Same goes between the FX8320 and FX8350.

:-)

Yeah, I double checked the prices and yanked that out because some of the FX9’s are close enough in price to potentially be worth it. I hadn’t looked at them in a while, so I was running with somewhat out of date information.

Ah Gotcha! yea, I was looking at the FX9 prices over the weekend and was surprised at how they fell so quickly. being Xmas season and all I should have expected it.

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The shots taken were targeted for lowest results to emphasize worst case scanario. and was done to prove a quick point so I hopped into a champ train at that moment. I’ll make a video tomorrow because this comes up way too often. Ill demonstrate max settings attainable in average scenarios and by lowering character settings to high you can do just fine with much higher body counts. The. I’ll drop resolution down to remove GPU from the equation and try to target just how many on screen characters it can handle. Im aiming only to save people money. I saved a bunch of money and bought a second computer with the money I saved and it kept me from leaving the game. My only intent here is to help. Its clear there is a healthy amount of skepticism here and I find no issue with people expecting proof. I’ll do my best to provide when I get back from seeing kvelertak and high on fire in San Francisco

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The shots taken were targeted for lowest results to emphasize worst case scanario.

How would that even be CLOSE to a worst case scenario?

‘worst case’ would be something like 3 map zergs fighting over a garri in a BL, not 15 people in a mediocre champ train.

Edit: An ‘average’ scenario where the computer is actually stressed would be a pair of 20-30 person zergs fighting.

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The shots taken were targeted for lowest results to emphasize worst case scanario.

How would that even be CLOSE to a worst case scenario?

‘worst case’ would be something like 3 map zergs fighting over a garri in a BL, not 15 people in a mediocre champ train.

Edit: An ‘average’ scenario where the computer is actually stressed would be a pair of 20-30 person zergs fighting.

This!

But, I am not saying your system isnt optimized nor running at the peak for your Hardware. Just that you are kinda giving people false hope here. You CAN get good/OK performance out of the game with older hardware. Ive seen it myself. BUT when it comes to WvW, all bets are off. Even some Boss Events in PvE, all bets are off.

How about this;

First set your settings, and dont change them after you set them, then..

Goto MAW during your servers World Boss Train. take some Screenshots of your FPS when that zerg of 60+ are killing the shaman.

Goto WvW-EB, during Peak Playing times, find the Commander and follow him around for a bit. taking screenshots when there are more then 8 other players on the screen

Goto LA, look at the MF from the Way point. Again, screenshot

now, goto Troll Cave in QD, and take a couple screenshots

Go back to Boar for Updated Screenshots.

and we’ll see just how well those Phenom II’s actually run.

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i’m traveling so these are screenies I posted that are still on the forum from 23 days ago. I’ll take more if you need.

So if you overclock the shiznit out of a Phenom II you’ll get good performance. When is that NOT true with a quad core and this game. <eyeroll>

You really need to frame the post with the fact you overclock since you have no idea if something like that is in the OPs bailiwick.

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I think my intent has been misconstrued. I don’t intend to brag. It just barely sneaks by but it makes the cut. my system has no significant upgrade path but with $100 I was able to hold off spending 450 dollars on a new mobo and proc so I can spend it on a new system in a few months when kaveri offers me more bang for my buck and still get playable performance at nice settings in the mean time. For a cost I’ll have recovered many times over when I do upgrade. I was in this guys position and felt stuck and I just wanted to help. Posting from a phone so I apologize for the way this is written.

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i’m traveling so these are screenies I posted that are still on the forum from 23 days ago. I’ll take more if you need.

So if you overclock the shiznit out of a Phenom II you’ll get good performance. When is that NOT true with a quad core and this game. <eyeroll>

You really need to frame the post with the fact you overclock since you have no idea if something like that is in the OPs bailiwick.

Last runs of the phenoms which he would be buying push 4.1 and up super easy. An fx solution would still need to be overclocked. Intel provides better performance options that don’t need ocing but they are costly and some people don’t appreciate their business practices. Cost effective upgrades from am3 won’t exist for another 2 months. Just exploring options. If money is no limit sticking to a Phenom II would be silly but that wasn’t the situation I gathered. Getting off now. I’ll make a seperate thread for the video in case anyone cares. Didn’t intend to rile anyone up.

Finally. When I say targeted I mean I snapped the frame at the lowest frame I saw. The situation itself was not targeted in any sense. . Its not ment as conclusive evidence just the best I could come up with on short notice. I’ll show you can scrape above 30 with most settings maxed in world events and wvw tomorrow but I don’t expect anyone to believe or hold their breath till then. Have a good one.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

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I know it’s so easy to generalize and bash AMD CPUs, especially the FX series, with this game. Some of that is due to player misconceptions that more cores automatically mean every app will run faster or not understanding, blame AMD marketing, that FX cores are considerably slower one on one compared to Intel’s. Sure AMD’s 8 core can give Intel’s two generation old quad a good run in certain heavily multithreaded apps but it’s hardly universal and seemingly never in games unless the game is GPU bound.

To the average neophyte DIYer the question is black and white, Intel good, AMD bad. I applaud your defense of a platform that seen it’s best days behind it which doesn’t mean it’s automatically horrible.

Since this is an upgrade for low cost situation getting an Phenom II or FX quad or hex core like the FX-4350 or -6350 and OC the kitten out of it with a decent after market cooler is probably the cheapest route for the OP.

The fact the kneejerkers come in, blow past “on a budget” notion and scream about how AMD sucks and Intel rules is sad.

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I know it’s so easy to generalize and bash AMD CPUs, especially the FX series, with this game. Some of that is due to player misconceptions that more cores automatically mean every app will run faster or not understanding, blame AMD marketing, that FX cores are considerably slower one on one compared to Intel’s. Sure AMD’s 8 core can give Intel’s two generation old quad a good run in certain heavily multithreaded apps but it’s hardly universal and seemingly never in games unless the game is GPU bound.

To the average neophyte DIYer the question is black and white, Intel good, AMD bad. I applaud your defense of a platform that seen it’s best days behind it which doesn’t mean it’s automatically horrible.

Since this is an upgrade for low cost situation getting an Phenom II or FX quad or hex core like the FX-4350 or -6350 and OC the kitten out of it with a decent after market cooler is probably the cheapest route for the OP.

The fact the kneejerkers come in, blow past “on a budget” notion and scream about how AMD sucks and Intel rules is sad.

its really not about AMD vs Intel, its about this one poster saying he is getting 30FPS in WvW (when he is not) on a Phenom II using ultra settings.

As for the OP; the best advice is to hold up and save $$$ until he can afford a better solution.

However, the end result is if building for GW2 buy Intel otherwise build AMD’s FX series (better at Multi-Threading).

But with how Anet is releasing content for GW2 and the lack of ‘interesting’ stuff to do. I don’t see GW2 being around in the main stream for that much longer. So, I would NOT build with GW2 in mind, I would build for the next-gen game that ‘you’ would be into.

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I have a X3 720 BE currently, but my motherboard allows for core unlocking. So I took my X3 @ 2.8GHz and put it at X4 @ 3.4GHz.

Core unlocking is a bit of a gamble though; might be better off getting a X4 or X6 BE processor.

Tried core unlock once. Entered an unending cycle of reboots ^^"
Not gonna try that again

Interesting; the two motherboards I have (BIOSTAR A880g+ and ASRock 970 Extreme3) both have a safeguard to turn core unlocking off if it causes any boot problems.

If voltage was set properly before enabling core unlocking (and given the PSU could handle the little bit of extra load), it could just be possible that processor has a bad unlockable core(s). Or the motherboard itself doesn’t properly implement core unlocking (may want to make sure you have the latest BIOS available and see other people’s feedback on core unlocking with your particular board and CPU).

…Finally. When I say targeted I mean I snapped the frame at the lowest frame I saw. The situation itself was not targeted in any sense. . Its not ment as conclusive evidence just the best I could come up with on short notice. I’ll show you can scrape above 30 with most settings maxed in world events and wvw tomorrow but I don’t expect anyone to believe or hold their breath till then. Have a good one.

I might also suggest getting framerate numbers from a SB event. There’s usually a lot of people at that event.

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Posted by: CursedShaitan.9720

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I have a X3 720 BE currently, but my motherboard allows for core unlocking. So I took my X3 @ 2.8GHz and put it at X4 @ 3.4GHz.

Core unlocking is a bit of a gamble though; might be better off getting a X4 or X6 BE processor.

Tried core unlock once. Entered an unending cycle of reboots ^^"
Not gonna try that again

Interesting; the two motherboards I have (BIOSTAR A880g+ and ASRock 970 Extreme3) both have a safeguard to turn core unlocking off if it causes any boot problems.

If voltage was set properly before enabling core unlocking (and given the PSU could handle the little bit of extra load), it could just be possible that processor has a bad unlockable core(s). Or the motherboard itself doesn’t properly implement core unlocking (may want to make sure you have the latest BIOS available and see other people’s feedback on core unlocking with your particular board and CPU).

…Finally. When I say targeted I mean I snapped the frame at the lowest frame I saw. The situation itself was not targeted in any sense. . Its not ment as conclusive evidence just the best I could come up with on short notice. I’ll show you can scrape above 30 with most settings maxed in world events and wvw tomorrow but I don’t expect anyone to believe or hold their breath till then. Have a good one.

I might also suggest getting framerate numbers from a SB event. There’s usually a lot of people at that event.

It was 1am and the expectation to beat was 18 fps with more than 5 people on screen. Which was supposedly impossible. To the point higher up about resolution and my GPU. I’m not trying to prove anything about my GPU combi. Its is adequate at best but does allow me to run super sample and max the game in most scenarios with only minor compromise in the gpu related settings in worse case scenarios. At max settings a phenom is not the limiter in wvw. Your GPU will be. This isn’t about my stupid tower I threw together. My frame rates scale with resolution and GPU settings. Shadows / animations CPU related setting Do next to zilch to my frame rate. I’ve spent to much of this car trip on the forums today. Blegh.

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i’m traveling so these are screenies I posted that are still on the forum from 23 days ago. I’ll take more if you need.

I can vouch for this as my AMD FX-8350 scores a little over half the FPS on the same settings and same scene relatively same amount of players.

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Posted by: Fermi.2409

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However, the end result is if building for GW2 buy Intel otherwise build AMD’s FX series (better at Multi-Threading).

Eh, I wouldn’t make such sweeping generalities. Intel’s generally still the better current option for gaming, and there’s other games that AMD doesn’t like at all.

Also, depending on what you upgrade from, going Intel may even be cheaper.

At max settings a phenom is not the limiter in wvw. Your GPU will be.

Wrong.

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[OP HERE]
Well, as it seems, I can’t buy a phenom II from here at all (not 1 shop having it available).
So now I’ve decided to just save up some money to get a whole combo, motherboard + CPU.

However, seeing that I’m not so great with finding out what kind of MoBo to get ( or even CPU) I could use some advice once more…
My casing can hold an ATX so that won’t be a problem.

So far I’ve found a little combo that would get just below the €240
MSI Z87-G45
Intel Core i3 4130

However, I have no knowledge of reliable motherboards. All I read is different opinions that literally contradict eachother, so following that info, either all brands are fantastic, or they all suck.

Sooooo, you guys got any clue of what I should try to get? (keeping in mind that im just trying to get a small upgrade for now and not making it future proof, will get a future proof system in the far future)

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Posted by: SolarNova.1052

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The G45 board is a fine motherboard, no worries there.
The CPu however is a littleo n the low end tbh, if i were u i would lok for a i5, preferably the 4670k since the motherboard is a Z series allowing for OC’ing and the K series CPU’s are OC’able.
If u never want to OC then i would get a B85 or H87 motherboard (or the cheapest Z87 board u can find) + non K series i5.

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The G45 board is a fine motherboard, no worries there.
The CPu however is a littleo n the low end tbh, if i were u i would lok for a i5, preferably the 4670k since the motherboard is a Z series allowing for OC’ing and the K series CPU’s are OC’able.
If u never want to OC then i would get a B85 or H87 motherboard (or the cheapest Z87 board u can find) + non K series i5.

Hmm… Well I don’t think i’ll overclock at all really (too lazy to look into it mainly)

So following the ideas… got to a new combo, €23 more expensive but, has an i5
Intel Core i5 4440
MSI H87M-G43

would it be any good? if I’m not misinformed, I can get them both for a total of €236,44
(€10 more and I get some more PCI slots, tho the only thing i got hanging on a PCI is a wifi card that I’m not really using anymore. Got a PCIe GPU so that won’t be a problem)

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Posted by: Fermi.2409

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If you did the i3, you don’t need a Z87 board. That being said, get the i5. It should do quite well.

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Without any dedicated benchmarks i couldnt really say which out of a i3 like the 4330 or the i5 4440 would be better for GW2 specificaly.
The i3 doesnt have 4 ‘real’ cores, so it would loss some performance there, but its at 3.5ghz, where as the i5 4440 has 4 real cores but runs between 3.1ghz and 3.3ghz (meaning in Gw2 it would run at 3.1ghz)

if u could get a i5 4670 (not the k version) then it would be a easy choice for the i5.

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Posted by: ikereid.4637

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I would say, if upgrading your system do it right.

No matter if you buy an i3 or i5 right now, do it on the 1150 socket and get a moderately high end z87 Motherboard. This way, when you finally hit the ceiling on your CPU (and you will if you don’t buy a high end CPU) you can just pop in a new CPU with out doing a complete Gut and replace.

That is what I would do, since you ARE going to replace your MB anyway. The Core of any good system is a GOOD Motherboard and GOOD power Supply. Those are the 2 Items that you should never have to replace unless jumping CPU/system generations.

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Without any dedicated benchmarks i couldnt really say which out of a i3 like the 4330 or the i5 4440 would be better for GW2 specificaly.
The i3 doesnt have 4 ‘real’ cores, so it would loss some performance there, but its at 3.5ghz, where as the i5 4440 has 4 real cores but runs between 3.1ghz and 3.3ghz (meaning in Gw2 it would run at 3.1ghz)

if u could get a i5 4670 (not the k version) then it would be a easy choice for the i5.

sadly, the i5 4760 would be a bit too pricey :/ even if i’d save up…
so there’d be a battle btween i3 4330 and i5 4440
Whereas i3 would probly save alot of money. But yea, without benchmarks, the decision would be hard still

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I think in the long run, and if u took other applications into consideration aswell, the i5 4440 would be the better choice.

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The i3 doesnt have 4 ‘real’ cores, so it would loss some performance there, but its at 3.5ghz, where as the i5 4440 has 4 real cores but runs between 3.1ghz and 3.3ghz (meaning in Gw2 it would run at 3.1ghz)

You can’t just directly compare clockspeed like that.

Anyways, the i5 wins in terms of single thread power, even with the clockspeed deficit. Go with that and don’t bother with a Z87 board; once the CPU is too weak for things, buying such an old CPU would be a waste of money (if you could even find one at a reasonable price).

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well u can ..kinda. Im not really comparing the clock speed exactly, rather the per core performance. A haswell i3 vs a haswell i5 at the same clock ..per core ..will be roughly the same.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

Ofc when HT cores vs real cores comes into play its kinda hard to judge, so while the i3 in question may have a faster clock, the i5 in question has ‘real’ cores to make up for it. Like i said, hard to judge without a proper benchmark with GW2, but overall i would recommend the i5.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

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No it’s not hard to judge. Virtual cores via HT are roughly 60% the performance of non HT Intel cores. There for you are comparing 2.4 cores to 4 cores so you would roughly need a 66.7% clock speed increase in the i3 compared to the i5. It doesn’t come out exactly and it depends on the multithreaded benchmark but it’s in the ballpark.

Now auto overclocking of single core benchmarks muddle the results somewhat since the amount of OCing can vary between CPU models, MBs, coolers, and other external factors. Only drawback in comparing single core benchmarks.

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