Guild Wars 2

my system is windows 8 + PC – AMD radeon HD 7800
– AMD FX- 8120 eight-core 3.1GHz
– 8GB ram

I play GW2 on high details and i never lag only think where i lag is when im in zerg vs zerg anyone have any tips how to make it not to lag even if it would mean to change procesor( i wanan stay on amd) or somethink to make it be without lags in zerg vs zerg well i understand sm fights but normal zerg vs zerg is somethink i think my pc should run easy net is ok soo any tips pls

No. It’s the nature of the game engine that performance drops off rapidly during times when lots of players are present in a small area. They say they are working on it. Have you adjusted the character quality setting to their lowest as this does help some in WvW, but not enough usually.

Ledddawe.8964:

- AMD FX- 8120 eight-core 3.1GHz
– 8GB ram
if it would mean to change procesor( i wanan stay on amd)

well your cpu sucks.

Bulldozer is not a good cpu. Single thread performance is just lacking. Even AMD employees will bash on how terrible the cpu is

You probably have a AM3+ mobo so you can upgrade to vishera or wait for steamroller which may be released in april (I might wait for streamroller because I heard there are major improvements)

are you FPS lagging or net lagging?
The net lags in gw2 has been horrible whereas everything else I run that requires internet is running flawlessly.

Saying the FX sucks is like saying the Phenom II sucks because they have similar single thread performance. The FX 8 core is underutilized, but that’s par for the course because few applications can take advantage of that many cores fully.

Behellagh.1468:

Saying the FX sucks is like saying the Phenom II sucks because they have similar single thread performance.

actually, bulldozer ipc is lower than phenom II.

Bulldozer was a step back in performance

Trinity has the same ipc as phenom II

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/5

Bulldozer was a complete flop

Yes but the FX is clocked faster than the Phenom II making up the difference. I don’t care about clock speed or IPC, just end user performance for the price.

That said yes the 1st gen Bulldozer CPUs had clock speed limitations which limited their performance and it’s primarily this that is the performance difference between the 1st gen FX-8150 and the 2nd gen FX-8350 for instance (3.6GHz vs 4.0GHz) with generation to generation improvement less than 5%.

If the K10 rollout (original Phenom) debacle taught us anything is AMD aims high with a brand new CPU architecture and falls short during their first attempt.

Sadly the Bulldozer architecture doesn’t hold up to consumer usage patterns and applications as it was designed to go up against a Core i7 when fully engaged with 8 threads. Fine for a server world, not so fine for the rest of us.

well i just lowered my ptions on medium and i dont get any lags anymore only think that kills me now is i wait like few sec in really big fight for my skills go up but well i dont seems to be alone with that maybe my net suck ? well im at my brothers home and when i get back to my i have 3 time faster net then he does hehe i think for now i will be ok couse no more lags in medium options after some new generations of amd come i will get it and be happy more lol

Behellagh.1468:

Yes but the FX is clocked faster than the Phenom II making up the difference. I don’t care about clock speed or IPC, just end user performance for the price.

That said yes the 1st gen Bulldozer CPUs had clock speed limitations which limited their performance and it’s primarily this that is the performance difference between the 1st gen FX-8150 and the 2nd gen FX-8350 for instance (3.6GHz vs 4.0GHz) with generation to generation improvement less than 5%.

If the K10 rollout (original Phenom) debacle taught us anything is AMD aims high with a brand new CPU architecture and falls short during their first attempt.

Sadly the Bulldozer architecture doesn’t hold up to consumer usage patterns and applications as it was designed to go up against a Core i7 when fully engaged with 8 threads. Fine for a server world, not so fine for the rest of us.

The OP is running 8120 at 3.1Ghz …… which is worse than some stock Phenoms II,,,

Ledddawe.8964:

well i just lowered my ptions on medium and i dont get any lags anymore only think that kills me now is i wait like few sec in really big fight for my skills go up but well i dont seems to be alone with that maybe my net suck ? well im at my brothers home and when i get back to my i have 3 time faster net then he does hehe i think for now i will be ok couse no more lags in medium options after some new generations of amd come i will get it and be happy more lol

you lowered the graphic settings which lowered the cpu usage. Of course the games doesnt lag as much

The biggest improvement to your system is upgrading the cpu. I recommend waiting until steamroller

Still that doesn’t mean it sucks. E-350/450 or E1-1500, they suck.

Behellagh.1468:

Still that doesn’t mean it sucks. E-350/450 or E1-1500, they suck.

when a processor is bad, then it really very relative.

bulldozer came out when intel released the i5 2500k. i5-2500k is an amazing processor that can almost keep to current processors5Ghz overclocked on air.

loseridoit.2756:

Behellagh.1468:

Still that doesn’t mean it sucks. E-350/450 or E1-1500, they suck.

when a processor is bad, then it really very relative.

bulldozer came out when intel released the i5 2500k. i5-2500k is an amazing processor that can almost keep to current processors5Ghz overclocked on air.

This is soo very true.

But what AMD does that Intel doesn’t/can’t is Price for the performance.

While the FX wont stand with the i5/i7’s (wait until the FX9*** series is here), the FX brings an adequate processor with decent performance to the table.

But, IIRC The FX8350 will hold its own in the middle of some i7’s when Overclocked correctly.

Still, even I choose a i5-4670K over a FX8350. And paid for it too ($415 for the MB and CPU)

loseridoit.2756:

Behellagh.1468:

Still that doesn’t mean it sucks. E-350/450 or E1-1500, they suck.

when a processor is bad, then it really very relative.

bulldozer came out when intel released the i5 2500k. i5-2500k is an amazing processor that can almost keep to current processors5Ghz overclocked on air.

No it came out 9-ish months later (Jan 2011 vs Oct 2011). Likely they were trying to beat the i7-9xx series which came out in Nov 2008. It takes years to design a CPU from scratch. And when they pick a target, they aren’t looking at what crazy overclocking kids are doing.

And they succeeded, with the FX-8150 beating the i7 975 by 24%. It’s just Intel didn’t sit still and came out with a new “tick” that’s 35% faster, the i7-2600K. AMD knew they “lost” 9 months before roll out. AMD responds a year later with the FX-8350 but Intel again beat them with a “tock” 6 months before. And now before the next variation of the Bulldozer architecture Intel ups the game again with the next “tick” just 4 months ago.

Intel so far is staying a step ahead of AMD with AMD playing catch up. But the fundamental difference between the two remain. When running fewer core’s worth of work, Intel simply outperforms AMD by a wide margin which AMD only gets close when both CPUs are fully being used. And until games start utilizing more cores fully, Intel will be the choice if a game is being limited by the CPU.

Behellagh.1468:

loseridoit.2756:

Behellagh.1468:

Still that doesn’t mean it sucks. E-350/450 or E1-1500, they suck.

when a processor is bad, then it really very relative.

bulldozer came out when intel released the i5 2500k. i5-2500k is an amazing processor that can almost keep to current processors5Ghz overclocked on air.

No it came out 9-ish months later (Jan 2011 vs Oct 2011). Likely they were trying to beat the i7-9xx series which came out in Nov 2008. It takes years to design a CPU from scratch. And when they pick a target, they aren’t looking at what crazy overclocking kids are doing.

So true, designing cpu takes years to do.

Seriously, i5 2500k was an amazing value because it overclocks so well. That anything AMD brought out was garbage in comparison.

Which is why most budget minded DIYers stop at an i5 and ignore the i7. Sadly some decisions Intel made with the heat sink on later models have made it more difficult to overclock by similar amounts without dangerous surgery making the i5-2500K a great CPU. Sadly the last of them have been shipped a month ago. No more in the pipeline.

Behellagh.1468:

Which is why most budget minded DIYers stop at an i5 and ignore the i7. Sadly some decisions Intel made with the heat sink on later models have made it more difficult to overclock by similar amounts without dangerous surgery making the i5-2500K a great CPU. Sadly the last of them have been shipped a month ago. No more in the pipeline.

Yea, intel focus a little too much into mobile.

Oh well, it pointless to debate about cpu speed when it is just tools and resources to make software work.