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DH is trying to win this thing. You win by getting more points than the other guy. If we can get those points from GoM more readily than from FC, then so be it. That’s just the nature of a 3 way match-up and I don’t think GoM should view it as being picked on or unfairly focused. On Wednesday night we were 10k points behind GoM and 8k behind FC. Taking and holding the GoM borderland ensured us 2nd place and gave us our current shot at 1st. It’s hard to argue it was the wrong call for our Commanders to make.
I’m saying it was the wrong call for FC to make. A strong GoM would have given them a chance. Now DH is just going to camp GoM BL and win first. FC should have helped us, not double teamed us.
I’m also saying that as a game mechanic, “stomp the little guys for the easy points” is horrible. The three way battle was supposed to promote ganging up on the person in first. Of course this is not how it goes, but that won’t stop me from hating it.
It’s good to see you guys giving us so much love! I love it when you need to resort to ‘they are hacking’, ‘they are exploiting’. Honestly it seems that GoM and FC are better at fighting and defending on the forums than EB and their Borderlands? I hope you liked my Golems yesterday, 16 of them took the entirety of EB, and there are a few hundred more where they came from ladies.
>shrugs at exploit accusations
>uses duped golemsok
Duped golems? I guess that is the only reasoning you could come up with :/. I mean there is no way someone would spend 80s each on them right? No one would be willing to blow 65 gold for his server right? That would just be like, to much goodness for anyone person? Because WvW is all about selfishness how foolish of me! How about less trying to figure out why we wipe the floor with you, and more time trying to better yourself?
meh, youre just a hypocrite who is perfectly willing to benefit from exploits while poo-pooing exploit use by others.
no one in their right mind would have considered 15-20 omega golem rushes before they were mass duped. but now dh does them 3 times a day (…and mostly fails lol).
You’re really criticizing someone… for using the BLTP? That’s wrong now? If they were duped, that sucks, but that’s not something anyone can help. You really shouldn’t insult a person who gives so much just to help his server, especially for such a silly reason as him using the BLTP.
really? lol. im not criticizing him for using the tp, im criticizing him for being a hypocrite. i call him a hypocrite, which he is, and thats all. its a fact. “do as i say, not as i do”.
And how is he a hypocrite? He may have had no idea that these were duped. Further, there is a distinct difference between acquiring golems in a way they were intended to be acquired (via TP) and doing thing like dying on a watergate and rezzing through it.
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DH is trying to win this thing. You win by getting more points than the other guy. If we can get those points from GoM more readily than from FC, then so be it. That’s just the nature of a 3 way match-up and I don’t think GoM should view it as being picked on or unfairly focused. On Wednesday night we were 10k points behind GoM and 8k behind FC. Taking and holding the GoM borderland ensured us 2nd place and gave us our current shot at 1st. It’s hard to argue it was the wrong call for our Commanders to make.
I’m saying it was the wrong call for FC to make. A strong GoM would have given them a chance. Now DH is just going to camp GoM BL and win first. FC should have helped us, not double teamed us.
I’m also saying that as a game mechanic, “stomp the little guys for the easy points” is horrible. The three way battle was supposed to promote ganging up on the person in first. Of course this is not how it goes, but that won’t stop me from hating it.
My comment wasn’t directed to you specifically, but generally to the 4 or 5 GoM posts deriding DH for taking over their borderland. I’m also not sure I would characterize GoM as a “little guy” in this match-up, though that was certainly true in the past when we’ve seen you on DH. Remember, you guys were ahead of DH in this match-up from Saturday night until the wee hours of Thursday morning.
On a side note, this is the only match up in NA that first place is not decided yet and is still anyones game. Our next reset is going to be ugly with everyone staying on late to push for a W.
Good luck FC,GoM, and DH
No it’s not. It’s just between DH and FC. What’s left is for GoM to decide who to hit to make them lose points.
In my point of view as a GoM, based on recent events, ofc we wouldn’t want both teams to win at this point over the other, as most GoM see it this way;
For FC: If it weren’t for the fact that we got double teamed yesterday by two simultaneous golem rushes on our Hills and Bay, we could have stopped DH from capping our Hills and holding it and would have been in a better off position to defend ourselves, benefiting FC. If FC loses, it will partially be their fault for putting GoM in such a position where DH is getting “easy points” from us. Yeah, we see FC make multiple attempts to stop DH in our BLs, but they wouldn’t have to if they let us defend ourselves from the beginning. They should have super focused DH to prevent DH from super focusing on us again. Bad strategy.
For DH: For all the grief caused the last two days by them focusing GoM and not leaving us alone for one moment, I’m certain most of GoM is highly frustrated at your server. Most of them view you as taking the “easy way” to win the matchup to hit the weaker guy and hold it, and including me on when I say this, but that’s not a very respectable way to win a match. You barely if ever from your main zerg decided to DENY FC points by hitting them directly instead of ticking higher off the lesser server. Its called leeching.(I’m not saying this strategy isn’t valid, but it’s highly frowned upon) I hope DH will be ready for some of the hate this will ensue in the future.
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All in all I just thought I would say this has been a kitten close match, good job to everyone who’s stayed up and been involved. Oh and GO FC!!! I’m at work, but for those of you at home don’t stop trying!
In my point of view as a GoM, based on recent events, ofc we wouldn’t want both teams to win at this point over the other, as most GoM see it this way;
Yeah pretty much. At this point I couldn’t care less about which one of them wins.
All in all I just thought I would say this has been a kitten close match, good job to everyone who’s stayed up and been involved. Oh and GO FC!!! I’m at work, but for those of you at home don’t stop trying!
Ditto, but go DH instead of Go FC.
On a side note, this is the only match up in NA that first place is not decided yet and is still anyones game. Our next reset is going to be ugly with everyone staying on late to push for a W.
Good luck FC,GoM, and DH
No it’s not. It’s just between DH and FC. What’s left is for GoM to decide who to hit to make them lose points.
In my point of view as a GoM, based on recent events, ofc we wouldn’t want both teams to win at this point over the other, as most GoM see it this way;
For FC: If it weren’t for the fact that we got double teamed yesterday by two simultaneous golem rushes on our Hills and Bay, we could have stopped DH from capping our Hills and holding it and would have been in a better off position to defend ourselves, benefiting FC. If FC loses, it will partially be their fault for putting GoM in such a position where DH is getting “easy points” from us. Yeah, we see FC make multiple attempts to stop DH in our BLs, but they wouldn’t have to if they let us defend ourselves from the beginning. They should have super focused DH to prevent DH from super focusing on us again. Bad strategy.
For DH: For all the grief caused the last two days by them focusing GoM and not leaving us alone for one moment, I’m certain most of GoM is highly frustrated at your server. Most of them view you as taking the “easy way” to win the matchup to hit the weaker guy and hold it, and including me on when I say this, but that’s not a very respectable way to win a match. You barely if ever from your main zerg decided to DENY FC points by hitting them directly instead of ticking higher off the lesser server. Its called leeching.(I’m not saying this strategy isn’t valid, but it’s highly frowned upon) I hope DH will be ready for some of the hate this will ensue in the future.
Colt lol, how many times will Dh players/FC players have to tell you, we’ve repeatedly assaulted the keeps in their BL. Over, and over, and over, ninja attempts, zerg attempts, golem rushes, etc… We tried doing the exact same thing to FC that we’re doing to you now. They didn’t let us. That’s the problem here, it appears like we’re just hitting the little guy… but in reality, we’re hitting the little guy and the big guy, the big guy just isn’t getting hurt like the little guy is.
I’m sorry, I get that it’s frustrating to get hit so hard and lose your chances at first/second… Especially since the killing blow only occurred (in your view) because of a 2v1. But, we’ve been targeting both servers. I mean, before yesterday, how many times had GoM/FC taking our BL in full? Many times. Suddenly, when we do it but are more successful and actually try to hold it, we’re villains beating up on poor GoM.
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On a side note, this is the only match up in NA that first place is not decided yet and is still anyones game. Our next reset is going to be ugly with everyone staying on late to push for a W.
Good luck FC,GoM, and DH
No it’s not. It’s just between DH and FC. What’s left is for GoM to decide who to hit to make them lose points.
In my point of view as a GoM, based on recent events, ofc we wouldn’t want both teams to win at this point over the other, as most GoM see it this way;
For FC: If it weren’t for the fact that we got double teamed yesterday by two simultaneous golem rushes on our Hills and Bay, we could have stopped DH from capping our Hills and holding it and would have been in a better off position to defend ourselves, benefiting FC. If FC loses, it will partially be their fault for putting GoM in such a position where DH is getting “easy points” from us. Yeah, we see FC make multiple attempts to stop DH in our BLs, but they wouldn’t have to if they let us defend ourselves from the beginning. They should have super focused DH to prevent DH from super focusing on us again. Bad strategy.
For DH: For all the grief caused the last two days by them focusing GoM and not leaving us alone for one moment, I’m certain most of GoM is highly frustrated at your server. Most of them view you as taking the “easy way” to win the matchup to hit the weaker guy and hold it, and including me on when I say this, but that’s not a very respectable way to win a match. You barely if ever from your main zerg decided to DENY FC points by hitting them directly instead of ticking higher off the lesser server. Its called leeching.(I’m not saying this strategy isn’t valid, but it’s highly frowned upon) I hope DH will be ready for some of the hate this will ensue in the future.
Colt lol, how many times will Dh players/FC players have to tell you, we’ve repeatedly assaulted the keeps in their BL. Over, and over, and over, ninja attempts, zerg attempts, golem rushes, etc… We tried doing the exact same thing to FC that we’re doing to you now. They didn’t let us.
I’m sorry, I get that it’s frustrating to get hit so hard and lose your chances at first/second… Especially since the killing blow only occurred (in your view) because of a 2v1. But, we’ve been targeting both servers. I mean, before yesterday, how many times had GoM/FC taking our BL in full? Many times. Suddenly, when we do it but are more successful and actually try to hold it, we’re villains beating up on poor GoM.
Oh no, don’t get me wrong, I am seeing this action for myself, and as I said, your strategy is valid, but I’m mainly going off of what I hear via map chat for the BLs and LA chat for GoM anyways. Everyone’s been super frustrated, tho when I got to that point, I just roamed around and saw these things, so the above opinion isn’t really just my own. It’s easy to blame others ofc, tho our defense could be better too, as we often beat ourselves up over it later on. As for me, I’ll take any of my frustrations left roaming and hoping I don’t get ganged on repeatedly as I did last night haha.
On a side note, this is the only match up in NA that first place is not decided yet and is still anyones game. Our next reset is going to be ugly with everyone staying on late to push for a W.
Good luck FC,GoM, and DH
No it’s not. It’s just between DH and FC. What’s left is for GoM to decide who to hit to make them lose points.
In my point of view as a GoM, based on recent events, ofc we wouldn’t want both teams to win at this point over the other, as most GoM see it this way;
For FC: If it weren’t for the fact that we got double teamed yesterday by two simultaneous golem rushes on our Hills and Bay, we could have stopped DH from capping our Hills and holding it and would have been in a better off position to defend ourselves, benefiting FC. If FC loses, it will partially be their fault for putting GoM in such a position where DH is getting “easy points” from us. Yeah, we see FC make multiple attempts to stop DH in our BLs, but they wouldn’t have to if they let us defend ourselves from the beginning. They should have super focused DH to prevent DH from super focusing on us again. Bad strategy.
For DH: For all the grief caused the last two days by them focusing GoM and not leaving us alone for one moment, I’m certain most of GoM is highly frustrated at your server. Most of them view you as taking the “easy way” to win the matchup to hit the weaker guy and hold it, and including me on when I say this, but that’s not a very respectable way to win a match. You barely if ever from your main zerg decided to DENY FC points by hitting them directly instead of ticking higher off the lesser server. Its called leeching.(I’m not saying this strategy isn’t valid, but it’s highly frowned upon) I hope DH will be ready for some of the hate this will ensue in the future.
Colt lol, how many times will Dh players/FC players have to tell you, we’ve repeatedly assaulted the keeps in their BL. Over, and over, and over, ninja attempts, zerg attempts, golem rushes, etc… We tried doing the exact same thing to FC that we’re doing to you now. They didn’t let us.
I’m sorry, I get that it’s frustrating to get hit so hard and lose your chances at first/second… Especially since the killing blow only occurred (in your view) because of a 2v1. But, we’ve been targeting both servers. I mean, before yesterday, how many times had GoM/FC taking our BL in full? Many times. Suddenly, when we do it but are more successful and actually try to hold it, we’re villains beating up on poor GoM.
Oh no, don’t get me wrong, I am seeing this action for myself, and as I said, your strategy is valid, but I’m mainly going off of what I hear via map chat for the BLs and LA chat for GoM anyways. Everyone’s been super frustrated, tho when I got to that point, I just roamed around and saw these things, so the above opinion isn’t really just my own. It’s easy to blame others ofc, tho our defense could be better too, as we often beat ourselves up over it later on. As for me, I’ll take any of my frustrations left roaming and hoping I don’t get ganged on repeatedly as I did last night haha.
I see lol. Well, if it helps, GoM has come a long way. Most people considered you just another DR/AR, but you were ahead in this matchup for a long time. I hope you guys don’t give up after this.
And any time you see someone hating on Dh in chat, remind them that we’re fighting HoD after reset. HoD will probably beat us to a bloody pulp lol.
Edit: Also, sorry for sounding rude in my last post. And props for at least trying to be charitable to us lol. Dh has been pretty much hated since the inception of GW2 by all of our opponents so you tend to get a bit defensive/cynical after a while lol.
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I think this matchup is what Anet intended a long time ago in a board room far, far away before they royally trashed population balance of servers. *cough*freetransfersfor6months*cough*
Ironic that it took a mass exodus to give us the match of the year. With that, keep fighting my comrades on Darkhaven, and it’s been a pleasure GoM and FC. Cheers to a fight to the wire- how matchups should go, not determined on reset night.
I think the frustration started happening yesterday, when we were already discussing if we should try for second place, seeing as how we didn’t really want to burn everyone out right before reset, at which point we suddenly had to deal with two huge zergs on our bl, both of which posed a challenge individually. At the same time, neither dh nor fc’s map looked touched, other than a few camps and maybe one south tower. And, to top it off, our eb was being pushed from both sides at the same time all of this was already happening, AND fc was ganking people all over our bl wherever we were running to back up a defense against dh. Since we were already solidly behind both, it felt a bit excessive and heavy handed.
The worst part of it was that this match-up had been so much fun up to that point, even when we were trying to take back our hills for hours.
At this level of play, no one really has the numbers or the coverage to adequately defend anything other than during prime time.
I think our biggest mistake on GoM this week was not being more aggressive. Neither FC or DH could really breach anything on their own until both servers hit at the same time. At that point, we should’ve moved elsewhere and let them fight each other over the table scraps. Our offense did a top-notch job this week, as shown by our early-week lead, and counter-punching directly in response to the double-team would’ve left both FC and DH with the difficult decision to hang on to the hotly contested temporary holdings in GoM-BL or return home and stop the bleeding.
Instead, we chose to ease off the pedal and got tunnel-visioned over a strip of land that happened to be labeled GoM this week. We basically invited the double-team upon ourselves by not keeping pressure up where it counted, and that allowed FC and DH to both over-extend at minimal risk.
Bronze league will be won by offense and aggression, not defense and upgrades. There simply aren’t enough players around to play passive.
I would agree with that assessment overall except from what I saw last night was a similar DH presence in both FC and GoM, but the FCers (including our group) couldn’t get a foothold due to FC’s better defense. Hence why it appears as if we were hitting GoM really hard when in reality, our efforts on the FC map just weren’t as fruitful.
We did actually go on the attack (yesterday, took dh’s bay and worked our way up to garrison with several omegas), but the problem was that we kept getting pulled off every time dh had golems… which happened more than you would think. o.O
Also, it seemed to us that dh didn’t really seem bothered by enemy zergs on their bl…
I would agree with that assessment overall except from what I saw last night was a similar DH presence in both FC and GoM, but the FCers (including our group) couldn’t get a foothold due to FC’s better defense. Hence why it appears as if we were hitting GoM really hard when in reality, our efforts on the FC map just weren’t as fruitful.
We didn’t have any trouble taking things away from FC. It’s only once we pulled back our assault and started taking a more passive approach that they were able to get things fortified. Which, once again, created a funnel towards us since DH’s offense was already stalling in FC’s map before anything was fortified.
I agree GoM has come a long way. I did some Bronze league analysis earlier and went through all 7 weeks match by match and added up the points. I put DH and FC at 3rd and 4th (anyone’s guess as to which order really) and GoM at a very respectable 5th. Here is a link to what I did.
http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac12/Bandit439/NABronze.png
El Taquito…..you should have brought moooaaarrrrr fireworks to the party! It’s all your fault that fallyse stole your stash and you were left with only weapons to fight with.
Good luck to all for the rest of this matchup…it’s a nail biter and i’m not even playing in it.
El Taquito…..you should have brought moooaaarrrrr fireworks to the party! It’s all your fault that fallyse stole your stash and you were left with only weapons to fight with.
Good luck to all for the rest of this matchup…it’s a nail biter and i’m not even playing in it.
I left my fireworks and thief on the shelf this week. All that free xp and loot bags disguised as DH players was simply too irresistible for my lowbie mesmer to pass up on.
At this level of play, no one really has the numbers or the coverage to adequately defend anything other than during prime time.
I think our biggest mistake on GoM this week was not being more aggressive. Neither FC or DH could really breach anything on their own until both servers hit at the same time. At that point, we should’ve moved elsewhere and let them fight each other over the table scraps. Our offense did a top-notch job this week, as shown by our early-week lead, and counter-punching directly in response to the double-team would’ve left both FC and DH with the difficult decision to hang on to the hotly contested temporary holdings in GoM-BL or return home and stop the bleeding.
Instead, we chose to ease off the pedal and got tunnel-visioned over a strip of land that happened to be labeled GoM this week. We basically invited the double-team upon ourselves by not keeping pressure up where it counted, and that allowed FC and DH to both over-extend at minimal risk.
Bronze league will be won by offense and aggression, not defense and upgrades. There simply aren’t enough players around to play passive.
Lol if you think bronze servers can’t adequately defend their stuff when not at prime time… try a 16 golem rush in FC’s BL. They have epic defense. Epic. I think both of our servers can learn from them in that regard.
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Anet just really, really set Dh back. Hugely. They have messed us up twice now with these hot fix patches, and this one could cost us the match.
Unless you utterly collapse you got this
FC down by only 600 points with 90 minutes left. so close!
I think what killed GoM isn’t DH or FC —- it was the PvE Living World events. Looks like half the server practically disappeared out of WvW when the Tower of Nightmare started.
Just going to leave this here for you people.
I’d like to thank FC for working with us, and the people getting mad at us cough GOM cough
The constant insults towards us, the “duping” of golems, and apparently hacking. It was so obvious we hacked to get first hurr hurr. No just kidding, it was a great match guys, hope to fight you guys again.
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This match has been awesome, for the past hour there has been non stop fighting in DH bl with the constant flipping of hills and bay. I would like to congratulate everyone on a great match up.
Like I said before, ANBU has been hitting FC nightly with ninja attempts on fully fortified towers and keeps. We manage to get thru the outer walls, but either the few pugs we happen to find following us don’t listen or some of our straggling operatives get picked off or DC at inopportune and we don’t finish the cap or don’t make it to the inner wall.
So not sure how much we have to repeat this, but: DH has been attacking both GoM and FC equally. FC just happens to respond quicker. That is all.
It has been a really fun match and I’m thankful for all the great gameplay both servers have put forth to DH. its been a blast. I hope you bring the same ferocity to your next opponents!
Just gonna leave this here to
Soooooo, you are trying to say you can cap everything while the other servers are getting themselves ready for the next matchup. Cool.
Stay classy and don’t pull a muscle on the victory lap
Just gonna leave this here to
Soooooo, you are trying to say you can cap everything while the other servers are getting themselves ready for the next matchup. Cool.
Stay classy and don’t pull a muscle on the victory lap
I kept pretty fit, running around your borders quite freely, so no issues on pulling a muscle. So much hate this week, its beautiful. Enjoy 3rd champ, I mean your server only hates us for focusing the ‘weak guys’, but we saw you as a threat after your win in the previous win you managed to claim. We now know we were horribly mistaken! Thank you FC for a great last few hours, the tension all round I’m sure was quite high.
Good Week ALL!
The match ending was awesome! That last hour was intense.
I just want to say this has been the closest match I’ve witnessed, winner was still undecided with less than 2hrs to go. Nice job to DH for putting it away and good fight from FC to the very end.
good job to all! Great fights out there!
MM yeah, I never play during the afternoon, but I found time to try and give us a chance for a little while. It was an entertaining fight but it was over when DH hit our bl garri and we only had 8 or 10 people to defend.
Bad form Jordy in posting that pic, everyone from GOM and FC was logged off by then and you capped meaningless air, but hey, pound your chest if you want to, you won.
GoM and FC, despite the anger and craziness – this was the single best NA matchup there was.
It was a great fight all around, thanks to both servers for an incredible week!
Great game guys and all fought a good fight!! was fun
Good game folks, it has been a somewhat bumpy ride, but I’ve loved it. I thought we were done for like 3 hours before the finish where FC had a huge PPT lead and anet did a patch. We had been prerparing for a golem rush but the patch ate them. I would have been much more angry at anet had it proven fatal.
Regardless, very close matchup and the first 5 days were especially amazing.
thanks for the fun matchup everyone!!! had a blast…. GL on your next matchups
Goodfight everyone.
MM yeah, I never play during the afternoon, but I found time to try and give us a chance for a little while. It was an entertaining fight but it was over when DH hit our bl garri and we only had 8 or 10 people to defend.
Bad form Jordy in posting that pic, everyone from GOM and FC was logged off by then and you capped meaningless air, but hey, pound your chest if you want to, you won.
Oh give me more tears sonny Poor form haha, friendly banter is so wasted on narrow minds like yours.
Good Game everyone
Even if I’m extremely annoyed due to what happened during the past days, yeah this was the only balanced match up.
At this level of play, no one really has the numbers or the coverage to adequately defend anything other than during prime time.
Actually, I’m thinking the opposite. We should defend stuff instead of just taking stuff and losing it before the next tick.
“It’s to make it paper so it’s easier to take back”…yeah right, that almost never happens.
It’s not that hard to defend stuff. Last night I nearly raged at someone because he was saying “we don’t have enough to defend Bay against 10 FC” when it had supplies and we had 10 of us around. Even if we end up losing it, we can at least try to slow them down instead of giving up way too soon.
(Of course, I didn’t rage at that dude because we have enough problems so let’s not fight with each other).
The problem is : no one wants to defend. No one wants to upgrade. No one wants to run yaks. No one wants to do the most ungrateful job and not get any kind of reward (server thanks ? Yeah, that doesn’t happen to often, and personally I’m not doing for thanks, I’m doing it so when I say “attack in 3 minutes” people actually show up to man the siege) while there is a “zerg” taking camps/towers/keeps and getting rewards.
When I say “no one” I know some people do it. But an incredibly small amount of us bothers with that. So much that when that small amount of us do not want to do it anymore, no one does it.
This isn’t to say “play defensive !” because we also need to attack. Luckily, it doesn’t take more than 5 people to defend something, or at least slow down the attacking force until our side can save us. Unlucky, there’s never 5 people to defend it.
And to come back to Hills, yes we shouldn’t have been that focused on it.
Playing aggressive doesn’t mean to stop playing defense completely. Hell, we held Fort Raven Hold on FC’s borderland for over an hour last night with just four people and no walls/gates or even supply. It just means that trying to turtle up when getting focused isn’t really the best tactic at this level, in my opinion. Most of the bronze league servers have to sacrifice a good bit of their potential defenders to make large pushes, so having zergs from both FC and DH in our borderlands meant there were many soft targets elsewhere. If we don’t have the numbers to defend, we should at least be keeping pace by taking what we can.
Thank you DH. Thank you Grampa. Thank you to the veterans who put in long hours. And thank you to the new players who answered the call!
Thank you FC and GoM for giving us the best match we’ve ever had.
This was one heck of a match up and I had a great time playing even when getting ganked while trying to run from one area to another alone. It was so much fun fighting both GoM and FC at GoM’s Hills and tough. Even I was there the last hours of the match to try to take the win.
Great work everyone. GoM you were difficult opponents and should be proud of yourselves for your hard run. FC, you busted our chops every time you could and we respect you for it. To our Commanders, wonderful work put in there to get us this win. To those who stayed up all night (I wish I could have too but RL is a wench) you really gave us hope to keep going. And to all the rest of us followers, wonderful jobs. Everyone fought well and busted their chops in this.
Everyone pat yourselves on the back. This last week tested all our worlds to the maximum!
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