Guild Wars 2

All of Tier 1 has stacked time zones:
- SoR was the first server to fully stack their NA.
- BG heavily recruits NA in order to compete with the map zergs.
- JQ has always had a stacked SEA.

Blackgate has lost many guilds recently:
- NA: [RISE] left BG for FA, before leaving again and joining SoR.
- NA: [rB] joined BG for a while before collapsing and mostly transferring to SoR.
- OC: [MERC] left BG and joined JQ for ‘greener pastures’.
- SEA: [SUPR] left BG because of the T1 lag and joined silver tier.
- NA: [RICH] left BG to join a silver tier server.
- Several other guilds…

Blackgate hasn’t gained more players than we previously had:
- NA: [EE] joined BG and filled the shoes of [RISE], [rB], [RICH], etc.
- OC: [Zero] joined BG and fields about 15 – 20 people during OC.
- SEA/EU: [ZDs] joined BG and is helping during late SEA and EU.

We’re not bigger than before, most likely smaller:
- Our OC is much smaller than it’s previously been since [MERC]‘s departure.
- Our NA is no more stacked than yours, and is less stacked than it previously was.
- Our SEA is fairly decent now with the addition of [ZDs].
- Our EU isn’t even close to being stacked.

So how are we winning?
The fact is, Blackgate has always been a hardcore WvW-focussed server. This is the first league, and believe it or not, we want to win (just as other servers do). Last week guilds like [ICoa], [GoF] and [KnT] (amongst others) stayed up 5 or 6 hours into OC to help fill our weakest time zone, while other guilds like [OnS] are getting up early in order to help assist the EU. Not to mention all of the OC guilds on Blackgate (even the PvE and PvX guilds) are banding together during OC and SEA in order to provide numbers. As soon as leagues are over, I guarantee most of us will be burned out and you’ll probably have several super easy weeks against us. But as I’ve already said, we take WvW very seriously and want to win, and we will all try our best to make that happen.

FractalChaos.6539:

scootshoot.6583:

Neuromancer.2148:

FractalChaos.6539:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

There’s been 3 long kitten posts from disgruntled SoR players so far. Good luck, really.

What you’re seeing though is- I think -SoR players unhappy with the server’s current “attitude” as opposed to the fact that we are losing the match. It’s more a question of discontent, really. I think most SoR players don’t care if we win or lose, but when they start to feel like nothing they say or do is ever good enough and that they have no say in how their server plans its matches…it takes its toll.

I’ve been on Blackgate through many ups and downs – attitude is most definitely a key factor into how well a server plays. Here’s hoping that you get your internal issues sorted out soon.

Well put and when a server is down the excess weight tends to leave which allows the server to trim the fat. One cancer in chat spewing garbage can disrupt a whole map of players. I think a few of us saw the drama unfolding on JQ months back between Rawnoodles and some of the JQ commanders back in the day when word got out they were going at it for hours on map chat throwing obscenities at one another.

When that “excess weight” includes players who have fought for the server since launch and done nothing but try to help said server win, doing all the menial things that the zerg has no time for (gotta get them bagz, right?), you’ve got a problem.

SoR map chat is pretty laid back and still is so would take an awful lot for other players to call you out as a troll which you already admitted to be pointed out as. I can just imagine the spew being typed on the maps you happened to be at when things didn’t go YOUR way.

scootshoot.6583:

Seriously, players like you are such tools.
good riddance

Nice, to be expected I guess.

And no sorry I’m not leaving Rall and I’m also not giving up, I play gw2 for wvw only I don’t do dungeons, I don’t do most of the new content because it’s fluff, I champ farm when waiting in queue. When bg rolled the score over us this week I was still in there havok squading flipping camps and sentries and running with the shrunken zerg. I transferred from sos to sor in order to get on a server with more people for more options to do wvw.

Yeah I am a pug not part of a main guild, but I do a lot of what is asked of any other players, I’m on TS, I do supply runs to help repair bases and build siege, I tap siege when needed the pugs get blamed for them disappearing even though the people who dropped it don’t bother to do it themselves or remind others, I run ruins for the bloodlust buff, I’ve solo capped supply camps and sentry points even in places not convenient to be in, I report enemy movements even when I lashed back “we already know” for doing so, I don’t take supply from bases unless it’s near cap or upgrades are done especially smc, you drop a ram I’m running to build it and then let a better operator use it, I don’t attack the door when asked, I stack when asked for an ambush or supply checkittenep up with the zerg formation, I eat my food and oils, I have the correct gear and specced for survival on a necro in zerg battles, I plague to help save the melee train, I plague to help commanders escape while I sacrifice myself, did I miss anything? well etc etc etc

Would just like my server to play as a team again, not as a bunch of groups out for personal glory.

Oh, how the mighty fall, the mighty fall…

Xenesis.6389:

scootshoot.6583:

Seriously, players like you are such tools.
good riddance

Nice, to be expected I guess.

And no sorry I’m not leaving Rall and I’m also not giving up, I play gw2 for wvw only I don’t do dungeons, I don’t do most of the new content because it’s fluff, I champ farm when waiting in queue. When bg rolled the score over us this week I was still in there havok squading flipping camps and sentries and running with the shrunken zerg. I transferred from sos to sor in order to get on a server with more people for more options to do wvw.

Yeah I am a pug not part of a main guild, but I do a lot of what is asked of any other players, I’m on TS, I do supply runs to help repair bases and build siege, I tap siege when needed the pugs get blamed for them disappearing even though the people who dropped it don’t bother to do it themselves or remind others, I run ruins for the bloodlust buff, I’ve solo capped supply camps and sentry points even in places not convenient to be in, I report enemy movements even when I lashed back “we already know” for doing so, I don’t take supply from bases unless it’s near cap or upgrades are done especially smc, you drop a ram I’m running to build it and then let a better operator use it, I don’t attack the door when asked, I stack when asked for an ambush or supply checkittenep up with the zerg formation, I eat my food and oils, I have the correct gear and specced for survival on a necro in zerg battles, I plague to help save the melee train, I plague to help commanders escape while I sacrifice myself, did I miss anything? well etc etc etc

Would just like my server to play as a team again, not as a bunch of groups out for personal glory.

You are an unsung hero on a server full of elitists. Keep on fighting and I hope SOR leadership see your cries on this forum and change their ways.

I heard SoR is imploding. oceanic/sea guilds, good GvGs if you’re on mag just sayin, no queues. Think about it. =P

SoR see BG >> BG = big blob, mega zerg

BG player see BG >> CMD call in map chat: Rally on me!! Where is everyone? Why only 15 man on me???

(Me and friends in our own TS not BG TS: Hmm.. zerg go that way we should go get camp in the opposite way gogo.)

For me BG is like most of us do as we want. We join zerg only if someone call in map chat that our tower/keep is under attack.

Sunt.6835:

Lemrish.5970:

FractalChaos.6539:

LetoII.3782:

I remember alpaca, was a while back.
On your tactics: Completely impractical for use with a pug group.

I didn’t say PUG group, that’s your projection. I said “explicitly form groups; the PUGS can follow (whatever commander) who they want”. Take 7 TW with you, and off you go. Have 7 RISE follow one of their commanders, and off you go. 7 FEAR, 7 DIE, 7 LUN, 7 HEL, 7 WR, 7 GSCH, and whatever PUGs decide to follow you. You only need to keep a grip of your 7 guildies, and are you telling me a commander can’t keep 7 of his own in check?

More than likely none because everybody wants to be on the bag wagon.

*Does that include your own guild members? *

BECAUSE 2) Most randoms are casual. They mine the ore, cap the sentry, what have you instead of what needs doing. Its called cat herding for a reason.

As stated above twice; 5 guild groups. Not PUGs.

At least in TW, small groups DO split off. But it’s done in gchat or whisper, you’d never know BECAUSE 3) there are whole tiers of information and command/control you as a sulking solo are oblivious of.

I know all about your separate CCOMS channel. It’s not relevant to the discussion. If a bunch of people with bad ideas get together and talk about them while rejecting everyone else’s suggestions, the bad ideas will not suddenly become viable.

Based on the novice-level suggestions, oblivious seems to be a theme..

Ad hominem. I’ve read many of your posts, so I know you’re skilled with them. Continue.

And the last part…. Yeah, TW sucks at organization? Lacks understanding of skirmish engagements and use of extensions? (Those are the names of the “against numerically superior forces” tactics we don’t know about BTW) I mean sheesh, if we’re bad what does that say about the rest of the game?
By all means, lead us to glory O armchair Marshall. I’d donate an evening to your grasping reality lol

TW is nothing short of pure art when it comes to combat in the open-field, but you’re panicky, rank amateurs at prioritizing targets on the map and at having an overarching plan before the match even starts. Starved for supply, you rush off to save a tower but give up 2 camps. You send your only large force to capture a keep while THEIR only large force takes garrison. You win fights, but lose objectives. Always have.

You break up into smaller groups often, really? So where are the results? The map looks the same to me. When the BG zerg is focused on us for 10+ minutes as we assault Bay, I scan the map and see no camps flipping, no other objectives with swords, and all of the ruins held by BG…what are your mythical splinter groups doing, “strategizing” in TS? Pffft….

Well said

Agree …. Well said

So… We can count on BG implementing his suggestions?

scootshoot.6583:

FractalChaos.6539:

scootshoot.6583:

Neuromancer.2148:

FractalChaos.6539:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

There’s been 3 long kitten posts from disgruntled SoR players so far. Good luck, really.

What you’re seeing though is- I think -SoR players unhappy with the server’s current “attitude” as opposed to the fact that we are losing the match. It’s more a question of discontent, really. I think most SoR players don’t care if we win or lose, but when they start to feel like nothing they say or do is ever good enough and that they have no say in how their server plans its matches…it takes its toll.

I’ve been on Blackgate through many ups and downs – attitude is most definitely a key factor into how well a server plays. Here’s hoping that you get your internal issues sorted out soon.

Well put and when a server is down the excess weight tends to leave which allows the server to trim the fat. One cancer in chat spewing garbage can disrupt a whole map of players. I think a few of us saw the drama unfolding on JQ months back between Rawnoodles and some of the JQ commanders back in the day when word got out they were going at it for hours on map chat throwing obscenities at one another.

When that “excess weight” includes players who have fought for the server since launch and done nothing but try to help said server win, doing all the menial things that the zerg has no time for (gotta get them bagz, right?), you’ve got a problem.

SoR map chat is pretty laid back and still is so would take an awful lot for other players to call you out as a troll which you already admitted to be pointed out as. I can just imagine the spew being typed on the maps you happened to be at when things didn’t go YOUR way.

SoR map chat is laid back until anyone says “But wouldn’t it be better if…”.

For the record, I’ve called commanders idiots for:

-Hearing “Huge BG zerg at gate, 3 rams up. Golem” and then asking me “What guild is it? What’s door %? Is there any siege setup?”

Who gives a crap? There’s a zerg-10 or 15 or 20 people, whatever qualifies as a zerg nowadays – there’s 3 rams up and a golem, and someone who obviously doesn’t think the situation can be handled by him/her alone is asking for help to defend. Just. Get. There.

-Yelling at people during a tower/keep defense because someone dared to put down a regular AC…even though he, the commander, isn’t dropping anything, and the siege is badly needed. Protip; when there’s no siege at all, a regular AC is better than zero Superiors.

-Saving a T1 keep at the expense of a nearly completed T3.

-Sending an entire zerg to defend North camp when it’s basic, and then ignoring calls for help when it’s fully upgraded and sieged.

-And, of course, monolithic adherence to booming voice The One Way, Namely Ours!

If you ask me, I was going easy on them.

LetoII.3782:

Sunt.6835:

Lemrish.5970:

FractalChaos.6539:

LetoII.3782:

I remember alpaca, was a while back.
On your tactics: Completely impractical for use with a pug group.

I didn’t say PUG group, that’s your projection. I said “explicitly form groups; the PUGS can follow (whatever commander) who they want”. Take 7 TW with you, and off you go. Have 7 RISE follow one of their commanders, and off you go. 7 FEAR, 7 DIE, 7 LUN, 7 HEL, 7 WR, 7 GSCH, and whatever PUGs decide to follow you. You only need to keep a grip of your 7 guildies, and are you telling me a commander can’t keep 7 of his own in check?

More than likely none because everybody wants to be on the bag wagon.

*Does that include your own guild members? *

BECAUSE 2) Most randoms are casual. They mine the ore, cap the sentry, what have you instead of what needs doing. Its called cat herding for a reason.

As stated above twice; 5 guild groups. Not PUGs.

At least in TW, small groups DO split off. But it’s done in gchat or whisper, you’d never know BECAUSE 3) there are whole tiers of information and command/control you as a sulking solo are oblivious of.

I know all about your separate CCOMS channel. It’s not relevant to the discussion. If a bunch of people with bad ideas get together and talk about them while rejecting everyone else’s suggestions, the bad ideas will not suddenly become viable.

Based on the novice-level suggestions, oblivious seems to be a theme..

Ad hominem. I’ve read many of your posts, so I know you’re skilled with them. Continue.

And the last part…. Yeah, TW sucks at organization? Lacks understanding of skirmish engagements and use of extensions? (Those are the names of the “against numerically superior forces” tactics we don’t know about BTW) I mean sheesh, if we’re bad what does that say about the rest of the game?
By all means, lead us to glory O armchair Marshall. I’d donate an evening to your grasping reality lol

TW is nothing short of pure art when it comes to combat in the open-field, but you’re panicky, rank amateurs at prioritizing targets on the map and at having an overarching plan before the match even starts. Starved for supply, you rush off to save a tower but give up 2 camps. You send your only large force to capture a keep while THEIR only large force takes garrison. You win fights, but lose objectives. Always have.

You break up into smaller groups often, really? So where are the results? The map looks the same to me. When the BG zerg is focused on us for 10+ minutes as we assault Bay, I scan the map and see no camps flipping, no other objectives with swords, and all of the ruins held by BG…what are your mythical splinter groups doing, “strategizing” in TS? Pffft….

Well said

Agree …. Well said

So… We can count on BG implementing his suggestions?

They were using my discontent as a way of taking a not-so-subtle dig at TW in particular, but then I’m sure you knew that.

Many of us have been playing for a good time now. The simple matter is, tier 1 has always fluctuated. HoD dominated for weeks. SoS dominated for weeks. JQ had one of the longest winning streaks ever if not the longest (too lazy to double check atm). Point is, each server has its highs and downs. It’s been JQ vs BG vs SoR for a very long time now and I doubt that’s going to change anytime soon. Small guilds, big guilds, individuals, they come and go between servers. It’s nothing new.

My fellow Rallians, last week was rough and who knows what the future might hold. However, we can make sure one thing doesn’t change. We go out there, we fight, tooth and nail, whether it’s for PPT or for the fights, or whatever reason YOU may have, go out and kick some mother kittening kitten . I fought against you for many weeks my fellow Rallians, you never gave up, you never backed down, you always fought. Looking at SoR from the other side of the fence I always held admiration and now that I’ve been on SoR for a couple months, that feeling has grown. Let us enjoy each other’s company, let us continue banging on the doors, sending our enemies running for the hills, win or lose, don’t ever stop fighting and don’t ever be disheartened. We will overcome all opposition, whether it’s tomorrow or 20 weeks from now. Count on it, fight for it.

FractalChaos.6539:

LetoII.3782:

Sunt.6835:

Lemrish.5970:

FractalChaos.6539:

LetoII.3782:

I remember alpaca, was a while back.
On your tactics: Completely impractical for use with a pug group.

I didn’t say PUG group, that’s your projection. I said “explicitly form groups; the PUGS can follow (whatever commander) who they want”. Take 7 TW with you, and off you go. Have 7 RISE follow one of their commanders, and off you go. 7 FEAR, 7 DIE, 7 LUN, 7 HEL, 7 WR, 7 GSCH, and whatever PUGs decide to follow you. You only need to keep a grip of your 7 guildies, and are you telling me a commander can’t keep 7 of his own in check?

More than likely none because everybody wants to be on the bag wagon.

*Does that include your own guild members? *

BECAUSE 2) Most randoms are casual. They mine the ore, cap the sentry, what have you instead of what needs doing. Its called cat herding for a reason.

As stated above twice; 5 guild groups. Not PUGs.

At least in TW, small groups DO split off. But it’s done in gchat or whisper, you’d never know BECAUSE 3) there are whole tiers of information and command/control you as a sulking solo are oblivious of.

I know all about your separate CCOMS channel. It’s not relevant to the discussion. If a bunch of people with bad ideas get together and talk about them while rejecting everyone else’s suggestions, the bad ideas will not suddenly become viable.

Based on the novice-level suggestions, oblivious seems to be a theme..

Ad hominem. I’ve read many of your posts, so I know you’re skilled with them. Continue.

And the last part…. Yeah, TW sucks at organization? Lacks understanding of skirmish engagements and use of extensions? (Those are the names of the “against numerically superior forces” tactics we don’t know about BTW) I mean sheesh, if we’re bad what does that say about the rest of the game?
By all means, lead us to glory O armchair Marshall. I’d donate an evening to your grasping reality lol

TW is nothing short of pure art when it comes to combat in the open-field, but you’re panicky, rank amateurs at prioritizing targets on the map and at having an overarching plan before the match even starts. Starved for supply, you rush off to save a tower but give up 2 camps. You send your only large force to capture a keep while THEIR only large force takes garrison. You win fights, but lose objectives. Always have.

You break up into smaller groups often, really? So where are the results? The map looks the same to me. When the BG zerg is focused on us for 10+ minutes as we assault Bay, I scan the map and see no camps flipping, no other objectives with swords, and all of the ruins held by BG…what are your mythical splinter groups doing, “strategizing” in TS? Pffft….

Well said

Agree …. Well said

So… We can count on BG implementing his suggestions?

Yeah I know life in the spotlight.
We’ve lost tons of camps holding triple keeps in SoRbl all these months.

They were using my discontent as a way of taking a not-so-subtle dig at TW in particular, but then I’m sure you knew that.

:) I heard you were watching a transformer marathon.

Xenesis.6389:

Nice, to be expected I guess.

And no sorry I’m not leaving Rall and I’m also not giving up, I play gw2 for wvw only I don’t do dungeons, I don’t do most of the new content because it’s fluff, I champ farm when waiting in queue. When bg rolled the score over us this week I was still in there havok squading flipping camps and sentries and running with the shrunken zerg. I transferred from sos to sor in order to get on a server with more people for more options to do wvw.

Yeah I am a pug not part of a main guild, but I do a lot of what is asked of any other players, I’m on TS, I do supply runs to help repair bases and build siege, I tap siege when needed the pugs get blamed for them disappearing even though the people who dropped it don’t bother to do it themselves or remind others, I run ruins for the bloodlust buff, I’ve solo capped supply camps and sentry points even in places not convenient to be in, I report enemy movements even when I lashed back “we already know” for doing so, I don’t take supply from bases unless it’s near cap or upgrades are done especially smc, you drop a ram I’m running to build it and then let a better operator use it, I don’t attack the door when asked, I stack when asked for an ambush or supply checkittenep up with the zerg formation, I eat my food and oils, I have the correct gear and specced for survival on a necro in zerg battles, I plague to help save the melee train, I plague to help commanders escape while I sacrifice myself, did I miss anything? well etc etc etc

Would just like my server to play as a team again, not as a bunch of groups out for personal glory.

Even if you are not “part of a main guild”. You are very valuable in my book. SoR is very lucky to have you.

FractalChaos.6539:

SoR map chat is laid back until anyone says “But wouldn’t it be better if…”.

For the record, I’ve called commanders idiots for:

-Hearing “Huge BG zerg at gate, 3 rams up. Golem” and then asking me “What guild is it? What’s door %? Is there any siege setup?”

Who gives a crap? There’s a zerg-10 or 15 or 20 people, whatever qualifies as a zerg nowadays – there’s 3 rams up and a golem, and someone who obviously doesn’t think the situation can be handled by him/her alone is asking for help to defend. Just. Get. There.

-Yelling at people during a tower/keep defense because someone dared to put down a regular AC…even though he, the commander, isn’t dropping anything, and the siege is badly needed. Protip; when there’s no siege at all, a regular AC is better than zero Superiors.

-Saving a T1 keep at the expense of a nearly completed T3.

-Sending an entire zerg to defend North camp when it’s basic, and then ignoring calls for help when it’s fully upgraded and sieged.

-And, of course, monolithic adherence to booming voice The One Way, Namely Ours!

If you ask me, I was going easy on them.

To be fair, your first 2 points don’t really make any sense. That additional information is necessary to making an informed decision, and dropping regular acs can actually be a hindrance to your server if the commander has something else in mind for that supply.
As for the rest of it, I don’t have any context for it so who knows.

@ HL/Hel/Hlx on SoS bl. Thanks for the fun fights. It was fun leading our militia against you all. Cheers

Luvpie

FractalChaos.6539:

scootshoot.6583:

FractalChaos.6539:

scootshoot.6583:

Neuromancer.2148:

FractalChaos.6539:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

There’s been 3 long kitten posts from disgruntled SoR players so far. Good luck, really.

What you’re seeing though is- I think -SoR players unhappy with the server’s current “attitude” as opposed to the fact that we are losing the match. It’s more a question of discontent, really. I think most SoR players don’t care if we win or lose, but when they start to feel like nothing they say or do is ever good enough and that they have no say in how their server plans its matches…it takes its toll.

I’ve been on Blackgate through many ups and downs – attitude is most definitely a key factor into how well a server plays. Here’s hoping that you get your internal issues sorted out soon.

Well put and when a server is down the excess weight tends to leave which allows the server to trim the fat. One cancer in chat spewing garbage can disrupt a whole map of players. I think a few of us saw the drama unfolding on JQ months back between Rawnoodles and some of the JQ commanders back in the day when word got out they were going at it for hours on map chat throwing obscenities at one another.

When that “excess weight” includes players who have fought for the server since launch and done nothing but try to help said server win, doing all the menial things that the zerg has no time for (gotta get them bagz, right?), you’ve got a problem.

SoR map chat is pretty laid back and still is so would take an awful lot for other players to call you out as a troll which you already admitted to be pointed out as. I can just imagine the spew being typed on the maps you happened to be at when things didn’t go YOUR way.

SoR map chat is laid back until anyone says “But wouldn’t it be better if…”.

For the record, I’ve called commanders idiots for:

-Hearing "Huge BG zerg at gate and then asking me “What guild is it? What’s door %? Is there any siege setup?”

Who gives a crap? There’s a zerg-10 or 15 or 20 people, whatever qualifies as a zerg nowadays -

Heh, reason those questions are asked is the commander needs to know how much time they have to respond. Which means they are at another hot spot putting out a fire or taking an objective.

They are at a gate that is 10pct down, you call out a fire, do they stay at the gate and take it down first before responding, or do they drop what they doing to come to your aid. The priorities are based on the questions they are laying out. So if you tell them the gate is at 90pct with a normal flame ram up, they realize some time is still left on the clock, etc. etc. Any future server you join will ask the exact same things especially when there are multiple fires taking place with one commander on map to do it.

Anyways good luck at your new home!

Xenesis.6389:

Nice, to be expected I guess.

And no sorry I’m not leaving Rall and I’m also not giving up, I play gw2 for wvw only I don’t do dungeons, I don’t do most of the new content because it’s fluff, I champ farm when waiting in queue. When bg rolled the score over us this week I was still in there havok squading flipping camps and sentries and running with the shrunken zerg. I transferred from sos to sor in order to get on a server with more people for more options to do wvw.

Yeah I am a pug not part of a main guild, but I do a lot of what is asked of any other players, I’m on TS, I do supply runs to help repair bases and build siege, I tap siege when needed the pugs get blamed for them disappearing even though the people who dropped it don’t bother to do it themselves or remind others, I run ruins for the bloodlust buff, I’ve solo capped supply camps and sentry points even in places not convenient to be in, I report enemy movements even when I lashed back “we already know” for doing so, I don’t take supply from bases unless it’s near cap or upgrades are done especially smc, you drop a ram I’m running to build it and then let a better operator use it, I don’t attack the door when asked, I stack when asked for an ambush or supply checkittenep up with the zerg formation, I eat my food and oils, I have the correct gear and specced for survival on a necro in zerg battles, I plague to help save the melee train, I plague to help commanders escape while I sacrifice myself, did I miss anything? well etc etc etc

Would just like my server to play as a team again, not as a bunch of groups out for personal glory.

If anyone expects any more from their militia then they are asking to be carried, your doing whatever you can to help your server out, if everyone in WvW did even half of the things that you are then all the servers would be alot better

all I can say is keep fighting

I think I know whats really going on here. SoR wants the karma train to start Monday and run until reset.
#Traingate

I think leagues were a terrible idea by ANet. It just brought out the worst in a lot of people. All of it for a stupid finisher that you will likely be able to buy a month after the league ends anyways.

It shifted priorities in the wrong direction and away from what SoR was supposed to be about. Many of us realized this and are shifting back to our priorities before the leagues started. Some people, naturally, aren’t going to be happy about this. If that means they switch servers, then I wish them the best of luck and I hope they find what they are looking for.

In the end, I think everyone here just needs to realize, this is just a game. Relax, enjoy yourselves and fight the good fight SoR.

It’s been another fun night in SoS BL today. Thanks for Game

PS: I dont really care what server are you from but can you guys please take all your trolling to another topic. This is kind of sad to read all of you right now.

Servers go on hot streaks, and servers go on cold streaks. It happens, why is everybody acting like this is some sort of GW2 Apocalypse?

Get out on the battlefield, fight hard and kick kitten . Thats all.

Slushey.8236:

All of Tier 1 has stacked time zones:
- SoR was the first server to fully stack their NA.
- BG heavily recruits NA in order to compete with the map zergs.
- JQ has always had a stacked SEA.

Blackgate has lost many guilds recently:
- NA: [RISE] left BG for FA, before leaving again and joining SoR.
- NA: [rB] joined BG for a while before collapsing and mostly transferring to SoR.
- OC: [MERC] left BG and joined JQ for ‘greener pastures’.
- SEA: [SUPR] left BG because of the T1 lag and joined silver tier.
- NA: [RICH] left BG to join a silver tier server.
- Several other guilds…

Blackgate hasn’t gained more players than we previously had:
- NA: [EE] joined BG and filled the shoes of [RISE], [rB], [RICH], etc.
- OC: [Zero] joined BG and fields about 15 – 20 people during OC.
- SEA/EU: [ZDs] joined BG and is helping during late SEA and EU.

We’re not bigger than before, most likely smaller:
- Our OC is much smaller than it’s previously been since [MERC]‘s departure.
- Our NA is no more stacked than yours, and is less stacked than it previously was.
- Our SEA is fairly decent now with the addition of [ZDs].
- Our EU isn’t even close to being stacked.

So how are we winning?
The fact is, Blackgate has always been a hardcore WvW-focussed server. This is the first league, and believe it or not, we want to win (just as other servers do). Last week guilds like [ICoa], [GoF] and [KnT] (amongst others) stayed up 5 or 6 hours into OC to help fill our weakest time zone, while other guilds like [OnS] are getting up early in order to help assist the EU. Not to mention all of the OC guilds on Blackgate (even the PvE and PvX guilds) are banding together during OC and SEA in order to provide numbers. As soon as leagues are over, I guarantee most of us will be burned out and you’ll probably have several super easy weeks against us. But as I’ve already said, we take WvW very seriously and want to win, and we will all try our best to make that happen.

including buying guilds.

Dat big brawl outside of NET on SoR bl, CNB had a lot of fun, thx DiE, the few Rise and whoever else was there for the great fights.

/salute

Lol is SoS anywhere in this thread? This has all got to be a bit funny to them.

I’m not sure why I see so many people complaining about how “big” BG zerg is… When I’m on (which is often) BG is almost always outnumbered. I think SoS BL 13 hours ago is a good indication of why the score is like that currently. We were camped up in front of SoR main base for 20 minutes constantly wrecking that huge Iron w/ pugs zerg. We had no more than 25 people.

i did.
poor shifty had to do overtime to cover for you

thx for fights
our blob looks like
okay_face

insy.7083:

thx for fights
our blob looks like
http://i.imgur.com/YjkRBPy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YIvkKlX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mWWzH8B.jpg
okay_face

That is exactly what I am talking about. SoR easily has superior numbers every time.

insy.7083:

thx for fights
our blob looks like
okay_face

LOL that last screenshot. <3

Tyrant.3087:

insy.7083:

thx for fights
our blob looks like
http://i.imgur.com/YjkRBPy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YIvkKlX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mWWzH8B.jpg
okay_face

That is exactly what I am talking about. SoR easily has superior numbers every time.

Yah we baked Anet a cake so they let us queue more people.

insy.7083:

thx for fights
our blob looks like
okay_face

This is what your blob looks like.

insy.7083:

thx for fights
our blob looks like
okay_face

2nd was the favorite so far. Bg was less in numbers but … ZDs somehow pulled it off.

insy.7083:

thx for fights
our blob looks like
okay_face

Seigfried.5938:

We don’t see ZDs posting on the forums bragging about who they farmed. I wonder why…?

On another note, another troll in this tier is born. Please welcome fractalchaos! His name tells us all we need to know about which aspect of the game he is an expert in.

So much for that.

Buygate completely stacked to the brim and still recruiting and buying more guilds, wow!

zoombi.1498:

including buying guilds.

Do tell which guilds we’ve bought? I’m curious.

Donating gold for transfers to help get guilds across doesn’t equate to buying them.

Come on guys. It’s nothing like BG is getting more stack or something. We’re basicly the same. It’s just some in SoR decided to slack or basicly play BF4 too much while BG is just the same o’BG who fight nonstop?
To those who try to claimed BG overstack, let me summarize what we get/lose recently:
BG gained EU-[COIN] wvw average25, Early EU-[ZDs] wvw average35
BG lost Oceanic/SEA-[MERC] wvw average30, Oceanic/SEA-[SUPR] wvw average20
So bacicly we lost loads of our oceanic, ton of great commanders like Tarkus/Ralikh/Sehoon etc who always leading wvw and overtime a lot but we gained more EU in mostly the same proportion. That’s it. Yes you might say we’re getting more behind the scene, but i’m sure everybody does.
To IRON, can we all stop PvForum and get ingame to fight instead? I’m really sick of you guys trying hard to flame everything & everyone we gained. You guys used to come earlier into late SEA and kitten d all our waypoints and dominated the EU for months. Now it’s just a shift of population, embrace it and let’s have some good community spirit rather than being forum trolls. I dunno if it’s “your guild” propaganda or something to allow such players to troll forum this much, but if you were in my guild, you’re going to get warned for being a kittenicially.
[Thai]Nirvii, Proud Elementalist of Thai Alliance
Commander of Blackgate
Vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay67XbhhUec
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You really un estimating the difference a EUR guild makes.
There not enough EUR guild to go around all US servers and the ones that do transfer make WvW unbalanced.

Jade Quarry EUR was one of the main reasons SOS collapsed.
SOR iRON made a immediate impact on Tier 1.
Blackgate ZD and COIN is having the same impact.

FractalChaos.6539:

Poxheart.2845:

FractalChaos.6539:

It would stop anything short of a zerg, though. I don’t know about other servers, but on SoR the north camp is frequently lost to 8-10 players. Siege at the gates stops that and forces the enemy to devote more time and effort to steal a simple camp.

Tried it by myself this past summer; one ballista, my turrets (engi) and the guards were enough to hold off 3 havoc pushes by…I wanna say 8 people but one may have been a Mesmer and clones, it was a kittenaotic.

Anytime you can hold onto an objective with 1 person instead of 10-15, that’s a plus in my book.

Eight people would roll through the two guards and one player (regardless of class) at that choke. I’ve done it enough with fewer people to know. If this is representative of the kinds of ideas you think will bolster SoR’s performance, then it’s no wonder they’re ignored.

The problem with SoR right now is that (for whatever reason) there are few commanders online after 9 pm PST, and most of the ‘Rallians’ on the map aren’t in TS and are unorganized and outmatched by the organized groups fielded by the other servers.

…and yet they had their assed handed to them. You’ve seen it fail, and I’ve seen it work. Who’s right?

Wait, what? Who got who’s kitten handed to who? I can’t tell what you’re responding to.

That said, I don’t think you’re half as smart as you think you are. In your reply to Letoll you suggest that SoR WvW guild commanders should split up into 8 man groups and capture objectives on different parts of the map. In the post I responded to, you claimed to have held off an 8-10 man group with just a ballista and 2 NPCs.

If the later is true, what benefit is there for the 8 man guild groups to do as you suggest?

If the former is true (that 8 man guild groups can take lots of objectives), then what benefit is there from defending the north camp with 1 player, 1 ballista, and 2 NPCs?

Poxheart.2845:

FractalChaos.6539:

Poxheart.2845:

FractalChaos.6539:

It would stop anything short of a zerg, though. I don’t know about other servers, but on SoR the north camp is frequently lost to 8-10 players. Siege at the gates stops that and forces the enemy to devote more time and effort to steal a simple camp.

Tried it by myself this past summer; one ballista, my turrets (engi) and the guards were enough to hold off 3 havoc pushes by…I wanna say 8 people but one may have been a Mesmer and clones, it was a kittenaotic.

Anytime you can hold onto an objective with 1 person instead of 10-15, that’s a plus in my book.

Eight people would roll through the two guards and one player (regardless of class) at that choke. I’ve done it enough with fewer people to know. If this is representative of the kinds of ideas you think will bolster SoR’s performance, then it’s no wonder they’re ignored.

The problem with SoR right now is that (for whatever reason) there are few commanders online after 9 pm PST, and most of the ‘Rallians’ on the map aren’t in TS and are unorganized and outmatched by the organized groups fielded by the other servers.

…and yet they had their assed handed to them. You’ve seen it fail, and I’ve seen it work. Who’s right?

Wait, what? Who got who’s kitten handed to who? I can’t tell what you’re responding to.

That said, I don’t think you’re half as smart as you think you are. In your reply to Letoll you suggest that SoR WvW guild commanders should split up into 8 man groups and capture objectives on different parts of the map. In the post I responded to, you claimed to have held off an 8-10 man group with just a ballista and 2 NPCs.

If the later is true, what benefit is there for the 8 man guild groups to do as you suggest?

If the former is true (that 8 man guild groups can take lots of objectives), then what benefit is there from defending the north camp with 1 player, 1 ballista, and 2 NPCs?

I think he is trying to break up the map zerg, all 80 people on a tag, he could quite easily have said break up into 2 20 man groups and a 40 man zerg, you can hit 3 targets at once with only 1 proc’ing orange swords
the 20 man groups can then split into 2 10 man groups and cap 2 camps to get 200 supply, or they can split into 4 5 man groups and cap ruins

Tajz.9826:

Come on guys. It’s nothing like BG is getting more stack or something. We’re basicly the same. It’s just some in SoR decided to slack or basicly play BF4 too much while BG is just the same o’BG who fight nonstop?

To those who try to claimed BG overstack, let me summarize what we get/lose recently:
BG gained EU-[COIN] wvw average25, Early EU-[ZDs] wvw average35
BG lost Oceanic/SEA-[MERC] wvw average30, Oceanic/SEA-

all I know is that the numbers of BG I face have hugely increased. They are not the same numbers from 3weeks ago.

As I said,

We care about winning, if it true that we buy guilds (which i dont know if it true) but what the deal? If your server cant find new guild, even have to buy them, its your problem to concern

You cant expect a football team which losing their important players and dont buy or recruiting any new player to win the tournament.

And if you think to have more guild is only way to win then you are wrong, we are hardcore wvw server and we put our time and afford into it, even our NA commanders and their guild have to stay late every night to make sure to bring us a win.

Or you cant find someone willing to stay overtime at night? Again, that’s your problem

In the past SoR always have a fearful number but now that number just show up on friday krama train, even so we had fight that greater number of IRON many times and still win. Dont forget BG have some of the best commanders and guilds even we dont have ZDs (which is helping us a lot) we will still pull a win out of these matches, even with more hard work and more overtime, but we will.

And to SoS guys, you still have a good chance to win 2rd place of this match up, keep fighting!

I stopped the whole blob crying kitten months ago when I found out that 10 name tags like “Sanctum of Rall awesome sauce [SOR]” stacked @ 1 place look like a billion naughty invaders on the other server.

Just because there are several hundred red coloured letters on the horizon. Doesn’t mean that there are hundreds of players. You just can’t tell how many people there are when they are moving about with a name like that.

That’s why the only ways to figure out how many enemies there are is either
- Looking from above (This is where that fly hack would be great)
- Guessing by the amount of performance loss.
- Asking.

Both would be more reliable than a screenshot
/Cheers

morrolan.9608:

Tajz.9826:

Come on guys. It’s nothing like BG is getting more stack or something. We’re basicly the same. It’s just some in SoR decided to slack or basicly play BF4 too much while BG is just the same o’BG who fight nonstop?

To those who try to claimed BG overstack, let me summarize what we get/lose recently:
BG gained EU-[COIN] wvw average25, Early EU-[ZDs] wvw average35
BG lost Oceanic/SEA-[MERC] wvw average30, Oceanic/SEA-

all I know is that the numbers of BG I face have hugely increased. They are not the same numbers from 3weeks ago.

Of course there are more Bg than you. We use our pugs and don’t treat them like garbage and we don’t quit and make excuses when we fall behind 18k. We always knew SOR kept repeating “greatest server community” to convince yourselves, not us.

Reverence.6915:

zoombi.1498:

including buying guilds.

Do tell which guilds we’ve bought? I’m curious.

Donating gold for transfers to help get guilds across doesn’t equate to buying them.

It is when other servers don’t really bother.

Xenesis.6389:

Sor is self destructing because of the guilds, some of them are unwilling to play with others, they pull good players from the server into their guild and then play among themselves. I’ve heard commanders sound disgusted they have too many pugs with them, some will do things to shake them off, some commanders are unwilling to work with pugs at all, which I think is very important to maintaining numbers on your side.

If you are not out there leading whether we’re winning or losing with the pugs they will give up wandering around aimlessly getting slaughtered. But I suppose that’s what you want right? well 12:30pm on a saturday outmanned on a bl, the pugs have already given up and the ap hunters are gone so who’s left to fill the space?

Now you guilds have what you wanted, an open queue and a ton of bg to fight, but the price? There is hurt pride and broken morale all in the name of just looking for fights to fill your bags up, and it’s only week 3 of 7 where we were expected to compete for first, instead what’s left of the season is talk of waiting to 2v1 with jq on bg on week 7, so I guess we should just get the karma train running for 4 weeks huh.

I know commanding the pug zerg can be trying on the nerves, but if you want better players you need to train and lead them, all I ever hear is blame being set on them for anything that goes wrong. Even the week before the season I mentioned in chat that commanders should be out and leading, and yet I got back the “it’s training week for guilds” that attitude was bound to bite us back.

I’ve seen many cmd’s plead with the pugs to join them on TS or x up in map chat for small simple tasks and many just don’t seem to care. They get ignored and the task has to fall to someone who is in their guild or someone who is on TS. I have also seen many say they are willing to help out pugs with builds. I’m a PUG. I am not in a major SOR guild. But I was willing to come on TS, I was willing to get build help. The cmd’s are offering. The majority of the pugs are not responding.

Slushey.8236:

Blackgate hasn’t gained more players than we previously had:
- NA: [EE] joined BG and filled the shoes of [RISE], [rB], [RICH], etc.
- OC: [Zero] joined BG and fields about 15 – 20 people during OC.
- SEA/EU: [ZDs] joined BG and is helping during late SEA and EU.

We’re not bigger than before, most likely smaller:
- Our OC is much smaller than it’s previously been since [MERC]‘s departure.
- Our NA is no more stacked than yours, and is less stacked than it previously was.
- Our SEA is fairly decent now with the addition of [ZDs].
- Our EU isn’t even close to being stacked.

So how are we winning?
The fact is, Blackgate has always been a hardcore WvW-focussed server. This is the first league, and believe it or not, we want to win (just as other servers do). Last week guilds like [ICoa], [GoF] and [KnT] (amongst others) stayed up 5 or 6 hours into OC to help fill our weakest time zone, while other guilds like [OnS] are getting up early in order to help assist the EU. Not to mention all of the OC guilds on Blackgate (even the PvE and PvX guilds) are banding together during OC and SEA in order to provide numbers. As soon as leagues are over, I guarantee most of us will be burned out and you’ll probably have several super easy weeks against us. But as I’ve already said, we take WvW very seriously and want to win, and we will all try our best to make that happen.

BG is definitely a server that’s in it to win. They will do whatever it takes to win I’m sure of it. But how can anyone deny BG has not gained a lot of people. Try to see past the guilds for once. Yes you guys lost a guild or 2 and yes you gained a guild or 2, but look at the Pugs. I’m sure all 3 top tier servers gained new transfers, but IF I were to guess I would place BG at the top of that list. YES it’s a guess, but considering you guys were the only Full server at the start of the league, it’s the only thing I can go off besides seeing more numbers on the battlefield majority of the time zones(now that doesn’t mean your stacked, it just means it’s more than you had before).

So again yes your server is more dedicated to winning and that’s what attracted random people to join your server over others.

Btw just to “try” and prove the point I want to make if anyone reads this post and cares enough of what I said can you please message me of “blobs” or “zergs” pics of BG prior to league transfers. I’m sure some people have some to make points about blobbing or zerging. I then can compare them to ones I will take when I am in game now. Again if anyone cares, please when you send me the pictures, you tell me what timezone it was, so when I take mine I can do the same. Thanks.

Slushey.8236:

All of Tier 1 has stacked time zones:
- BG was known as stackgate and was considered the most heavily stacked server after the fall of HOD. SOS became the dominant server after the fall of HOD last year even when they weren’t considered as heavily stacked. They always had good OC coverage. BG now is proving that their consistent stacking ways shall prevail.
- JQ has always had a stacked SEA.
-SOR ever since their rise have had a stable and dominant NA crew.

Blackgate has lost many guilds recently, but was replenished by former competitors.
- NA: [RISE] left BG for FA, before leaving again and joining SoR.
- NA: [rB] joined BG for a while before collapsing and mostly transferring to SoR.
- OC: Some [MERC] left BG and joined JQ to assist in a weak timezone (late PST and OC).
- SEA: [SUPR] left BG because of the T1 lag and joined silver tier. Replenished by [OMEN] that JQ lost due to their expected implosion a while back to DB and joining BG.
- NA: [RICH] left BG to join a silver tier server. Replenished by [PLX] a EU/OC/SEA/NA part of EMP that JQ lost due to their expected implosion a while back to DB and joining BG.
- Several other guilds…
Did we not forget that JQ was considered a 1.5 server not that long ago when they lost many guilds?
*Blackgate hasn’t gained more players than we previously had: <—- this lie can’t get anymore blatant when so many new guilds joined.
- NA: [EE] joined BG and filled the shoes of [RISE], [rB], [RICH], etc.
- OC: [Zero] joined BG and fields about 15 – 20 people during OC.
- SEA/EU: [ZDs] joined BG and is helping during late SEA and EU. [COIN] joined but guess that was forgotten on purpose?

We’re not bigger than before, most likely smaller:
- Our OC is much smaller than it’s previously been since [MERC]‘s departure. (heard this was a minimal impact and not all left from people on your server)
- Our NA is about equally stacked.
- Our SEA is fairly decent now with the addition of [ZDs] but they extend to cover part of EU.
- Our EU isn’t even close to being stacked, it’s overstacked!

Fixed it for you. And trying to claim that people stayed up for 5-6 hours or more each day for just your server only is incorrect… This applies to almost all Tier 1 servers. Most are dedicated or IMO too dedicated. Your omissions of many facts would make for a good argument. BG purposely tanked scores so they can recruit. How many times did I have to say it before people realized the truth??? Now they can’t tank scores because it’s not possible when you can do 10 vs 1.

Reverence.6915:

Donating gold for transfers to help get guilds across doesn’t equate to buying them.

According to your own accusations of SOR and JQ, it is. Whenever a guild goes to SOR or JQ, it’s considered buying. Whenever a guild that gets gold from the “BG war chest” it is a donation to help get them across? LOL. Good one.

I don’t post much here any more, but I’d just like to say I’m deeply concerned for SoR.

I don’t know what internal issues are going on, but I do not have enough animosity towards our “rivalry” that I’d ever wish the collapse of a server. You provide competition in T1. Something that no other server short of JQ is capable of.

All I’m going to say is if you don’t start to show up and fight, the situation will only get worse. Tempers will flare and -some- guilds will probably look to leave the server or the game out of frustration.

I am begging you guys to come out and fight us in the numbers I know you can field. It isn’t fun for anyone with the performance that has gone on over the past 7 days. Where did the fire and dedication go that was there through the first 3 days last week?

To be clear, I’m not trolling, just asking you all to come out and fight.

Best Wishes,

Riv

actually Sleepy BG have always stated that assisting a guild that is already transferring is what a good community does, its the same with repping for that guild so they can build their influence up and get into WvW asap and smashing skulls, if you dont believe me just ask Tarkus he knows what our stance is

buying a guild involves give gold to members above and beyond the cost to transfer

not sure why you have a crush on BG for, when you actually face us you will see that there have been no massive influx of guilds and it is our militia who are smashing it up

Esoteric.5490:

I don’t post much here any more, but I’d just like to say I’m deeply concerned for SoR.

I don’t know what internal issues are going on, but I do not have enough animosity towards our “rivalry” that I’d ever wish the collapse of a server. You provide competition in T1. Something that no other server short of JQ is capable of.

All I’m going to say is if you don’t start to show up and fight, the situation will only get worse. Tempers will flare and -some- guilds will probably look to leave the server or the game out of frustration.

I am begging you guys to come out and fight us in the numbers I know you can field. It isn’t fun for anyone with the performance that has gone on over the past 7 days. Where did the fire and dedication go that was there through the first 3 days last week?

To be clear, I’m not trolling, just asking you all to come out and fight.

Best Wishes,

Riv

We are still coming out to fight dunno what ur talking about. Yes we lost some players…..but it was fairweather players. I still see all our NA guilds out everyday fighting hard.
Looks like this bg/sor matchup is gonna turn out to be like the old t2 matches. Honestly I found those matchups alot more fun for sor. Our server was built around not caring about the overall score and just playing for fun.
Enough with this internal drama crap, both bg AND sor have made this claim against each other in the past and it always turns out to be false.

/not trolling