Guild Wars 2

ReverendChan.8467:

On the contrary I don’t think you will find a lot of people undermining JQ outside of just pure egging them on to fight. Most people here have a great deal of respect for JQ as they have the longest standing history and the guilds/people that are representative have been genuinely good people (from JQ of course).

The egging is more or less just coaxing them into giving great fights which compared to the past 3 weeks vs SoR have been way closer by comparison. I for one know the Jedians won’t give up till the week is over.

At this point you are just feeding the trolls (primarily SoR as I already recognize a few of them have posted here) to assist them in their efforts of undermining this weeks matchup/thread. Also in general based on your post history thus far you have sent very mixed responses in your messages. A lot of the times it is trying to point fingers at your fellow servermates instead of supporting them. It isn’t a matter of yay/nay to BG pride when you are trying to call out others openly for mistakes they made in combat on a forum when you can easily utilize the community TS or other routes to voice your concerns. Your name has also been popping up around the community from what I’ve heard for causing drama since you have arrived. I don’t know you so I’m not going to judge, but others may have already thrown their hat in that ring so maybe tone down some of the mixed anti-BG messages/complaints. We are a community and we are suppose to be supporters of that not detractors from it.

I’ve already said I’m not going to complain anymore about my servermates’ performance or mistakes. At least I did in the previous thread before it got canned.

I will say though that a big part of the reason we’re leading JQ and steamrolled SoR is because we have a numbers advantage. The fact is we have queues on all four maps almost all the time. We are so often queued that people often feel that “no queue for this map” is worth reporting. Try playing for a server like SoS where “no outnumbered buff” is worth reporting, then you’ll know just how stacked Blackgate is.

Because of our population advantage, if we win this matchup it’s not something worth boasting about. In fact I’d say boasting – or, worse, to claim that we don’t have a numbers advantage (i.e. we are not stacked) – is insulting to our opponents, who are doing a great job considering the disadvantage they’re fighting against. It’s not just JQ as well; SoS are doing great too. Before I transferred to BG I played for SoS, and in the SoS / FA / JQ matchup not long ago we couldn’t even get our keep in Overlook upgraded. Yet this week Overlook is T3 and has been defended successfully against two T1 servers running on full queues. With their current population SoS will not be able to compete with JQ or BG, but they’re still doing great in their own way.

Finally note that in spite of Blackgate’s population advantage, JQ still managed yesterday to claw back the BG’s lead and even build up a few thousand points of its own lead. Considering that we were still queued all the time, the only way this could have happened was because JQ played very well. By extension this means that Blackgate could’ve played better (or for the less diplomatic SoR forum trolls, Blackgate played badly, but I’m not going to go there). We should realize this, because acknowledging that our own play isn’t the best is the first step towards getting better.

You can say what I wrote is negative and is undermining BG’s efforts, but I think SoR’s complaints about how stacked Blackgate is have a point.

By the way thanks to JQ for actually showing up and playing, and playing hard. This match has been very intense and fun so far. Even if BG eventually wins this, I give you guys credit for doing as well as you have against the numbers advantage.

I love how everyone keeps on talking about ZD. I met them on the battlefield and they know what they do, they know it well. I am from JQ, and i am happy to have good fights. ZD came to BG and made BG overpowered? Congratulations to BG for bringing ZD to their server! They probably made something everyone wanted to do but did not succeed at doing. I am not much into the server “politics” and i don’t see ZD as a problem, but as an addition to the WvW US servers. I am happy cause i can have more people to learn from….it’s a game, i play at my best and if it’s not enough cause someone else play better, hat’s off. I learn.
What make me think (and i am a bit worried about this) is not the result of season 1, but the effect it will have on wvw. The game is fun if it’s balanced. I don’t look only at the score of my server, but also at the scores of silver and bronze. And when i see 150k\90k\50k (as an exemple) i think something is going in the wrong direction.
It’s not who will win season 1 or 2 (if ever there will be one)….it’s who will find WvW enjoyable if these scores continues.
Now…back on the battlefield!!!
All the best

Another wall of text discrediting the hard work of your servermates. Thanks Jeydra…

Well on BG we do work hard to keep our place. As for the numbers thing, wow you must not play WvW much. The shear number of times I hear the commanders yelling for people to stop there PvE/PUGing and get to them is countless. Our tiny zergs vs all the massive blobs from the other servers can be daunting, but we still manage to rally. The mass number of PvEer’s that are unwilling to help are why we have a que.

Jeydra.4386:

ReverendChan.8467:

On the contrary I don’t think you will find a lot of people undermining JQ outside of just pure egging them on to fight. Most people here have a great deal of respect for JQ as they have the longest standing history and the guilds/people that are representative have been genuinely good people (from JQ of course).

The egging is more or less just coaxing them into giving great fights which compared to the past 3 weeks vs SoR have been way closer by comparison. I for one know the Jedians won’t give up till the week is over.

At this point you are just feeding the trolls (primarily SoR as I already recognize a few of them have posted here) to assist them in their efforts of undermining this weeks matchup/thread. Also in general based on your post history thus far you have sent very mixed responses in your messages. A lot of the times it is trying to point fingers at your fellow servermates instead of supporting them. It isn’t a matter of yay/nay to BG pride when you are trying to call out others openly for mistakes they made in combat on a forum when you can easily utilize the community TS or other routes to voice your concerns. Your name has also been popping up around the community from what I’ve heard for causing drama since you have arrived. I don’t know you so I’m not going to judge, but others may have already thrown their hat in that ring so maybe tone down some of the mixed anti-BG messages/complaints. We are a community and we are suppose to be supporters of that not detractors from it.

I’ve already said I’m not going to complain anymore about my servermates’ performance or mistakes. At least I did in the previous thread before it got canned.

I will say though that a big part of the reason we’re leading JQ and steamrolled SoR is because we have a numbers advantage. The fact is we have queues on all four maps almost all the time. We are so often queued that people often feel that “no queue for this map” is worth reporting. Try playing for a server like SoS where “no outnumbered buff” is worth reporting, then you’ll know just how stacked Blackgate is.

Because of our population advantage, if we win this matchup it’s not something worth boasting about. In fact I’d say boasting – or, worse, to claim that we don’t have a numbers advantage (i.e. we are not stacked) – is insulting to our opponents, who are doing a great job considering the disadvantage they’re fighting against. It’s not just JQ as well; SoS are doing great too. Before I transferred to BG I played for SoS, and in the SoS / FA / JQ matchup not long ago we couldn’t even get our keep in Overlook upgraded. Yet this week Overlook is T3 and has been defended successfully against two T1 servers running on full queues. With their current population SoS will not be able to compete with JQ or BG, but they’re still doing great in their own way.

Finally note that in spite of Blackgate’s population advantage, JQ still managed yesterday to claw back the BG’s lead and even build up a few thousand points of its own lead. Considering that we were still queued all the time, the only way this could have happened was because JQ played very well. By extension this means that Blackgate could’ve played better (or for the less diplomatic SoR forum trolls, Blackgate played badly, but I’m not going to go there). We should realize this, because acknowledging that our own play isn’t the best is the first step towards getting better.

You can say what I wrote is negative and is undermining BG’s efforts, but I think SoR’s complaints about how stacked Blackgate is have a point.

By the way thanks to JQ for actually showing up and playing, and playing hard. This match has been very intense and fun so far. Even if BG eventually wins this, I give you guys credit for doing as well as you have against the numbers advantage.

Why does this “stacked” always come up? Many servers are very high, it is who ever wants to join wvw, have fun and commit to the better of their server. wvw will always be about coverage. You want your server to do better in wvw? Talk with them, set up a teamspeak. Do something to help turn your high pve server into at least part time wvw server. Just have fun!

scootshoot.6583:

Hickeroar.9734:

Chris.3290:

gebrechen.5643:

I’m really looking forward to season 2 and hoping ZDs is joining SoR or SoS or TC and we will see what happens.

ZDs joining SoR will create a giant snorefest for everyone and would break the game.

ZDs joining TC would probably put TC ahead of SoR. Already having anemic Oceanic and SEA, ZDs would start the day with everything in enemy hands and would spend their entire time doing PvD. If they like that kind of thing, then bless them.

ZDs joining SoS probably would have us take TC’s place (not enough to go T1 most likely) and they would be even more bored since we typically lead in T2 at the end of SEA. If we faced T3 or T4 they’d become expert spawncampers and/or catch up on their PvE.

The best thing for ZDs would be to head back when the season is over, since there is no where they can go that doesn’t unbalance NA.

It’d be interesting to raise SoS to the TC bar. TC has kinda been in that cliche “T1.5” position for a while and it’d be cool to give them some company there…as long as our NA queues didn’t start looking like theirs. /me shudders.

That said, I really love the relaxed culture and unique playstyle here on SoS, and anything that threatened that wouldn’t be welcome from my POV.

The next huge player purge will come 1st quarter 2014 when that other big name MMO releases. Won’t be surprised to see server tiers flip flop and drastically change hands when that time comes and it could be you SOS as the top dawg!

I know people who were in on the beta for said “undisclosed” MMO title; and I was not impressed with the looks or the execution.
Did you know that MLB Hall of Fame recipient Nolan Ryan is on the board of directors of the company producing that title (do not mistake it for the company that produced other “similar” titles)?
If the game included spitballs I’d be impressed.

Nah, something might take the place of this game and maybe some sort of PvP experience will come to compare; but for right now I’m hoping this game mode is improved upon and provides a great deal of entertainment for a long time to come.

Given that GW1 managed to keep my interest for many years, I’ll be very disappointed if this installment falls flat in less than 2.

@Jeydra (your last post was too long so couldn’t quote it without an error)

I haven’t really seen anyone boasting much of anything. I have seen more BG come out in support of JQ than nay say them. Also in the previous week’s matchup against SoS (when they were involved with us and SoR) a lot of people were complimenting SoS more so then nay saying them so I feel a lot of this “boasting” is a perceived notion rather than an actual one. I think as a general whole also everyone is enjoying this matchup thoroughly so I see no reason to riddle it with negative viewpoints/aspects.

Again, if you feel the way the server performs in WvW can be done better that is something you need to mention on the BG community forums or TS. It is very hard to believe you have a community agenda when you say something about JQ that is nice/deserved, but instantly jab your own server in the same sentence (like saying they played awful so that is why JQ got a lead. FYI that also doesn’t do much to help JQ).

JQ, outside of SEA/Oceanic, has always had the smaller numbers compared to BG/SoR for most other timezones something people fail to realize and yet they still come out to fight so that should be plaudits all the way around for them. SoR is another story all together because I’ve seen them zerg bay with numbers that make some of our zergs look pitiful. :/ LOL

Most Adorable Necro NA,
Schnigle <3

I always confuse when someone says BG blob is the biggest.
What I always see in map chat everyday is CMD keep calling everyone in map join the zerg coz there are only 15-20 man with him. :P

(And I always ignore that call and run with 3-5 man roaming around even run follow emeny’s zerg to tell in map chat where they are going, I will join map zerg only when our keep is under attack.)

KumaTazZ.8054:

I always confuse when someone says BG blob is the biggest.
What I always see in map chat everyday is CMD keep calling everyone in map join the zerg coz there are only 15-20 man with him. :P

(And I always ignore that call and run with 3-5 man roaming around even run follow emeny’s zerg to tell in map chat where they are going, I will join map zerg only when our keep is under attack.)

When a commander is having trouble rallying people to them, frequently there are small guild groups running together elsewhere. I have been a part of them. We still try to group up for major pushes though, like when the enemy is using their full force to defend something. Even if we have multiple pins on our side for those pushes, it is going to look like one big sea of Blackgate to the other server.

Also great job roaming, our roamers have been doing a great job all league, and especially so this match up.

JQ has no queue on EBG.

+460ppt for BG atm.

How many hours is that so far at 400+ppt?

15k lead

Chris.3290:

I know people who were in on the beta for said “undisclosed” MMO title; and I was not impressed with the looks or the execution.

No one is impressed. I haven’t read anything positive about that game ever. And from my own research, it looks to be an utter disappointment. On the other hand, they have fancy CGI trailers.

KeeZee.7312:

JQ has no queue on EBG.

+460ppt for BG atm.

How many hours is that so far at 400+ppt?

15k lead

Sheesh, ZD has to be getting splinters by now from all that door bashing!

On a serious note the BG forum warriors seem to claim they only attaining that ppt due to working Harder then the other servers Strength in numbers are secondary

ReverendChan.8467:

Again, if you feel the way the server performs in WvW can be done better that is something you need to mention on the BG community forums or TS. It is very hard to believe you have a community agenda when you say something about JQ that is nice/deserved, but instantly jab your own server in the same sentence (like saying they played awful so that is why JQ got a lead. FYI that also doesn’t do much to help JQ).

Tell me which part of my post made you think that I “feel the way the server performs in WvW can be done better”, or qualifies as a “jab”. Note I didn’t say we played awful, and note that I can only see what’s happening in one out of four maps.

Also if you don’t want to be seen as boasting, then man up and say Blackgate is overstacked relative to JQ / SoR. The idea that SoR can field zergs that are far larger than what Blackgate does and therefore SoR are QQ’ing is (no offense) silly, because we both have the same map cap. If SoR is fielding zergs that are far larger than what Blackgate has, yet Blackgate is queued, then SoR are simply playing better (up to roaming / havoc squads etc – you know what I mean). Again, you should man up and admit it.

Finally FYI I’ve spent 5+ hours over the past two days running supply from Hero’s / Foghaven / Redwater to Lake / Hills on JQ BL. When we didn’t hold those camps I’ve even ran supply from Vale or Bay. I’ve built something like 20 superior ACs solo by now, and I’ve continued to run supply even though we’ve not managed to hold Lake / Hills. I don’t care what you or the server or Chris.3290 think about me. I’m playing for PPT and I’m playing to win.

See you on the battlefield.

Jeydra.4386:

ReverendChan.8467:

Again, if you feel the way the server performs in WvW can be done better that is something you need to mention on the BG community forums or TS. It is very hard to believe you have a community agenda when you say something about JQ that is nice/deserved, but instantly jab your own server in the same sentence (like saying they played awful so that is why JQ got a lead. FYI that also doesn’t do much to help JQ).

Tell me which part of my post made you think that I “feel the way the server performs in WvW can be done better”, or qualifies as a “jab”. Note I didn’t say we played awful, and note that I can only see what’s happening in one out of four maps.

Also if you don’t want to be seen as boasting, then man up and say Blackgate is overstacked relative to JQ / SoR. The idea that SoR can field zergs that are far larger than what Blackgate does and therefore SoR are QQ’ing is (no offense) silly, because we both have the same map cap. If SoR is fielding zergs that are far larger than what Blackgate has, yet Blackgate is queued, then SoR are simply playing better (up to roaming / havoc squads etc – you know what I mean). Again, you should man up and admit it.

Finally FYI I’ve spent 5+ hours over the past two days running supply from Hero’s / Foghaven / Redwater to Lake / Hills on JQ BL. When we didn’t hold those camps I’ve even ran supply from Vale or Bay. I’ve built something like 20 superior ACs solo by now, and I’ve continued to run supply even though we’ve not managed to hold Lake / Hills. I don’t care what you or the server or Chris.3290 think about me. I’m playing for PPT and I’m playing to win.

See you on the battlefield.

Jeydra playing the Complaints Per Tick game too strong.

Jeydra,

You’ve admitted to the point several have been trying to make in that last post.

Just because a map is queued does not mean that it is WvW players in the map. BG has a very very high PVE population. Those people are only in it for achievements. I’d say JQ has the 2nd highest PVE population, TC and SOR are 3rd and 4th in some order.

This is why weekend effectiveness for BG is usually lower, because our PvEers come out to play more, and more of our WvWers are stuck in queue for longer. In fact, many of our WvW guilds don’t even try to log in during the weekend.

SoR can field larger zergs than BG because we have a higher PvE population, not because we’re playing badly.

Over time we turn those PvErs (some of them) into WvWers so I think its very healthy for BG and WvW in general to have those PvE players in the map, though in the short term it can be frustrating when I tag up.

I’ve said it before in regards to SOR, I won’t repeat myself, but towards JQ I can say this.

I think its a testament to JQ being the longest running Tier 1 server in GW2. They’ve found a good balance between having fun and going for the win. They include their very high PvE population and taught them how to WvW for long term stability to their server.

Should look on the bright side I guess…..queues are gone.

JaredKincade.9761:

Just because a map is queued does not mean that it is WvW players in the map. BG has a very very high PVE population. Those people are only in it for achievements. I’d say JQ has the 2nd highest PVE population, TC and SOR are 3rd and 4th in some order.

Source for these rankings? 66% of statistics are fabricated.

Was fun and challenging last night, kitten you BG

GG’s BG, you bought fought well

zoombi.1498:

JaredKincade.9761:

Just because a map is queued does not mean that it is WvW players in the map. BG has a very very high PVE population. Those people are only in it for achievements. I’d say JQ has the 2nd highest PVE population, TC and SOR are 3rd and 4th in some order.

Source for these rankings? 66% of statistics are fabricated.

That is why I said “I’d say…” instead of quoting statistics, because there are none. Just observational data.

lol, its like a 10k lead triggers an all call for BG to the forums.

Even numbers shows pretty clearly how well the servers do against each other, like this weekend. I’m happy with our performance then.

Also after hearing the hours pinned up some people on BG have had, this seems eerily relevant.

http://youtu.be/oALUNqVWQoQ

@JaredKincade – it doesn’t matter … unless our PvE population are all off doing something like jump puzzles or crafting, they’re on the map and playing. If that means that collectively SoR are playing better than BG then that is exactly that: SoR are playing better than BG. If BG’s PvE population is off doing stupid things, then that is exactly that: BG are playing badly.

WvW is a team game. You as an individual don’t have to be playing badly for the other team to be playing better than your team. The concept’s not hard. Can’t see why it’s so difficult to grasp this.

SFShinigami.2015:

lol, its like a 10k lead triggers an all call for BG to the forums.

Even numbers shows pretty clearly how well the servers do against each other, like this weekend. I’m happy with our performance then.

Also after hearing the hours pinned up some people on BG have had, this seems eerily relevant.

http://youtu.be/oALUNqVWQoQ

lol so true

@Jeydra

For your record: “By extension this means that Blackgate could’ve played better (or for the less diplomatic SoR forum trolls, Blackgate played badly, but I’m not going to go there).” is a jab. Albeit a subtle one playing off the forum trolls, but still a jab.

Second, I think you need to reread my post because I don’t think I need to “man-up” for anything. I already stated it is a known JQ has less numbers thus we have an advantage in my last post. Pretty sure that isn’t “boasting” and pretty sure most people have been thanking JQ for coming out to fight the past several posts. For SoR’s numbers and this is coming from someone who has played both for BG and JQ in tier 1 have always fielded more per zerg based on putting 3 guilds together to hit a structure and have had the coverage for some time now (that is why they have taken number 1 spots in the past and prior to season start they outranked us). This was something that was obvious before the seasons started and during week 1. The only reason SoR didn’t bypass BG in week 1 was because halfway through the week when they started gaining kitten us we doubled them back with JQ (ironic twist of fate for them since they pushed the double team against JQ harder than any of us did in week 1). Soon as that word got loose they trolled the forums about how they were going to destroy us for the next three weeks so yea I guess they were oh so sure at that time we outnumbered them? Seems vice versa to me. SoR plays the political game up better than any other server. SBI was aware of this prior to season start so they tanked to stay in silver away from them so not sure why you aren’t.

I’m not here to insult you because I don’t know you. I just figured you should know not to be shocked when some people start trolling you on a repeat basis that are from your own server because you are kinda bringing it on yourself.

Most Adorable Necro NA,
Schnigle <3

BG…+435ppt

13and1

Once upon a time. JQ was the stacked server.

Karma at its finest.

There were about 25 of us JQ last night (15 MERCs + 10 NAs that stayed late). We were holding both SoS/BG BL. I want to point out the great leadership from Tarkus.4109. He did an amazing job to bridge our coverage dead zone between NA/SEA time.

BG was very smart and only engaged us when they have a bloodlust for stomp points (while we didn’t have one and also didn’t have the number to dedicate to the bloodlusts when your “zerg” is only 25 people LOL). Fortunately, that strategy didn’t work out too well for BG because 1) ironically we didn’t have the number for them to stomp, and 2) we didn’t really wipe that much. Personally I didn’t get stomped for 2+ hours.

I really really wish I had it recorded because it was like we were in the movie 300! Our opponents were also relentless too (and as mentioned not stupid at all). After all, they lose nothing from us even if they wipe as long as we don’t have any bloodlust. You know who you were (KnT stood out for me – who was in SoS BL? Coin?).

For the matchup, we are very well aware of our (EU) weakness and the early EU/OCX coverage from BG seems to have neutralized our Asia advantage. I’ll continue to fight this week regardless. Anything can happen right? :-)

For the league, we could be looking at a real possibility of a “7/7 Undefeated Champion” in BG for the first season of WvW. In other words, I hope BG will still go all out in week 7 even if they have certain victory.

The greatest irony will be if BG drops like a rock to 3rd after the season ends and ZDs goes back to EU.

It’s little things like this that are making/have made the season such a destructive force of nature.

Since it looks like the outcome has become/is becoming a forgone conclusion I think it’s safe to begin the autopsy on this fiasco.

JaredKincade.9761:

I think its a testament to JQ being the longest running Tier 1 server in GW2. They’ve found a good balance between having fun and going for the win. They include their very high PvE population and taught them how to WvW for long term stability to their server.

This is a painful process, but completely necessary…

hints.8036:

There were about 25 of us JQ last night (15 MERCs + 10 NAs that stayed late). We were holding both SoS/BG BL. I want to point out the great leadership from Tarkus.4109. He did an amazing job to bridge our coverage dead zone between NA/SEA time.

BG was very smart and only engaged us when they have a bloodlust for stomp points (while we didn’t have one and also didn’t have the number to dedicate to the bloodlusts when your “zerg” is only 25 people LOL). Fortunately, that strategy didn’t work out too well for BG because 1) ironically we didn’t have the number for them to stomp, and 2) we didn’t really wipe that much. Personally I didn’t get stomped for 2+ hours.

I really really wish I had it recorded because it was like we were in the movie 300! Our opponents were also relentless too (and as mentioned not stupid at all). After all, they lose nothing from us even if they wipe as long as we don’t have any bloodlust. You know who you were (KnT stood out for me – who was in SoS BL? Coin?).

For the matchup, we are very well aware of our (EU) weakness and the early EU/OCX coverage from BG seems to have neutralized our Asia advantage. I’ll continue to fight this week regardless. Anything can happen right? :-)

For the league, we could be looking at a real possibility of a “7/7 Undefeated Champion” in BG for the first season of WvW. In other words, I hope BG will still go all out in week 7 even if they have certain victory.

Undefeated? nah week 7 will hurt the most, I see a strong but fun 2v1 against Believegate.

Chris.3290:

The greatest irony will be if BG drops like a rock to 3rd after the season ends and ZDs goes back to EU.

It’s little things like this that are making/have made the season such a destructive force of nature.

Since it looks like the outcome has become/is becoming a forgone conclusion I think it’s safe to begin the autopsy on this fiasco.

After season means nothing, just like before. Pvers will go back to their thing and some guilds will move on to what fits them. Other wvw guilds may play less, whatever. As long as we have fun right?

3 out of 4 maps in JQ has no queue right now.
Only map with queue is JQBL with 1 minute queue.
Where did everyone go?

ReverendChan.8467:

I’m not here to insult you because I don’t know you. I just figured you should know not to be shocked when some people start trolling you on a repeat basis that are from your own server because you are kinda bringing it on yourself.

Well like I said, I don’t give a kitten .

PS: That wasn’t meant as a “jab” either.

I hope JQ continues to play … in the week SoR vs. TC vs. BG, there was a point when BG was last, yet shortly afterwards SoR stopped showing up to play. It’s discouraging to log on and find that everything you achieved the day prior is now gone, but still: I hope JQ isn’t doing the same thing. No queue on JQ EB is a bad sign, though.

meowmooz.9270:

3 out of 4 maps in JQ has no queue right now.
Only map with queue is JQBL with 1 minute queue.
Where did everyone go?

JQ has a small downtime right around now the NA guilds start running from 7ish – 8ish CST if I recall. Some get on sooner, but generally around there.

Jeydra.4386:

Well like I said, I don’t give a kitten .

PS: That wasn’t meant as a “jab” either.

I hope JQ continues to play … in the week SoR vs. TC vs. BG, there was a point when BG was last, yet shortly afterwards SoR stopped showing up to play. It’s discouraging to log on and find that everything you achieved the day prior is now gone, but still: I hope JQ isn’t doing the same thing. No queue on JQ EB is a bad sign, though.

You may not of meant it that way as I’m sure you may not have meant it in past posts, but that is how it comes across to people.

JQ won’t give up, but it is obvious they’re daytimes are going to be some rough uphill fights. I’ve never known SG, SF, DA, NS, MERC, etc… to be quiters. <3

Most Adorable Necro NA,
Schnigle <3

Chris.3290:

The greatest irony will be if BG drops like a rock to 3rd after the season ends and ZDs goes back to EU.

It’s little things like this that are making/have made the season such a destructive force of nature.

Since it looks like the outcome has become/is becoming a forgone conclusion I think it’s safe to begin the autopsy on this fiasco.

Anet needs to have a say as well for a future season 2 if they wish to be taken seriously of how they officiate league play.

1) Lock transfers once leagues start (I don’t see this happenin as Anet will lose out on a cash grab, and frankly I can’t blame them.)

2) Level cap requirement for WvW as it’s easy for players with a second throwaway account to zone in with a level 1 and troll supplies / spy on an opponents server. The very next week when the match changes hands, delete the level 1 and start a new throwaway. No need to ever pay transfers on their trash account.

3) Due to the huge influx of transfers before, during season 1 which profitted Anet greatly. Season 2 will no doubt be coming soon after Week 7 ends.

meowmooz.9270:

3 out of 4 maps in JQ has no queue right now.
Only map with queue is JQBL with 1 minute queue.
Where did everyone go?

Low morale problem I guess. This seems a common problem for all T1 servers. The queue is always there when you don’t need it and yet always disappears as soon as you begin to really need it…

By the way, just wondering do you have any outmanned buff on any map?

scootshoot.6583:

3) Due to the huge influx of transfers before, during season 1 which profitted Anet greatly. Season 2 will no doubt be coming soon after Week 7 ends.

I guess it depends on what your definition of soon is, and when in 2014 Anet decides to run Season 2.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Matchmaking-Post-Season-1/first#post3087056

ReverendChan.8467:

JQ won’t give up, but it is obvious they’re daytimes are going to be some rough uphill fights. I’ve never known SG, SF, DA, NS, MERC, etc… to be quiters.

If everything that you spend hours fighting for just goes up in smoke when you’re not playing though, it’s very discouraging. The signs are ominous. BG are making some serious progress across every map, and the progress has generally come at JQ’s cost. I’m not on EB but I can see Klovan is taken; on JQ BL we took Cliffside too. I know Cliffside was a maximally upgraded T3 tower, and Klovan probably was, too.

If WvW were like sPvP in the sense that when you log on you are on an equal playing field, then it’s easier to stay motivated. But WvW isn’t like sPvP. If you log on to a barren map with every single one of the other team’s towers + keeps sieged and upgraded, you can play for hours yet make little progress. Even if the towers and keeps aren’t sieged and upgraded, if there’s a comparable enemy zerg around (and BG is certainly fielding zergs every timezone on every map) then you might not make much progress. When JQ NA start playing, if the most they can hope for are paper keeps and towers, they may not even want to upgrade them since the next day they’ll have to start from scratch again anyway, and from there it’s a short step towards not playing at all.

If this keeps up, perhaps it’s for the better that some BG players transfer to other servers.

PvE pops…

BG = #1 (as there WvW players helped PvE players burn down Teq fastest first). Fact 1 and only 1 we have lol.
JQ=#2 as much as I want to slot TC in there, through attrition and transfers people have long time been flooding into Jade… because they have had there kitten kicked time and time again and decided to transfer up. Future wives, take heed … this is road to being rich. I would assume JQ overall pop is second largest.
TC = #3 Every temple is flipped on queue almost nightly during NA prime. Guest to another server and then guest to TC. But don’t come without intention of having fun, bring toys and clothing and chat and seriously lighten the hell up cause we like jokes and parties.
SoR = Long time WvW focused server. Very big WvW focus historically. As with every server peaks and valleys … this is one, and using ZDs as the tipping point. In all honesty – it’s hearsay server seems very strong whenever they want, maybe just needs a little TC in them to re-energize the battery. Also have associates who came from SoR and said it’s good WvW but PvE was not even close.

Now that we have that clear … any other pve related questions i can help with in the WvW matchup thread that’s not my own?

Just gonna put this here as an idea for music for video compilation of season … cough * BreadGate * gets yer fraps together
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVLUQujHJ8A

PS… as an aside… ever google breadgate? No lie…

Ironically the whole bread theme came from me once telling Cuddles in PMs to go to bread instead of bed. You’re welcome BG. :P

Motivation must be at an all time low, SoS has more ppt than JQ right now. perplexity

Chris.3290:

The greatest irony will be if BG drops like a rock to 3rd after the season ends and ZDs goes back to EU.

It’s little things like this that are making/have made the season such a destructive force of nature.

Since it looks like the outcome has become/is becoming a forgone conclusion I think it’s safe to begin the autopsy on this fiasco.

Lol you sure don’t hold back your hatred for BG. We won the first match without ZDs, we were closing the gap after week 2 weekend before ZDs came over. I’m not saying ZDs have not made a difference because they have, but BG is not nothing without them.

Chris.3290:

The greatest irony will be if BG drops like a rock to 3rd after the season ends and ZDs goes back to EU.

It’s little things like this that are making/have made the season such a destructive force of nature.

Since it looks like the outcome has become/is becoming a forgone conclusion I think it’s safe to begin the autopsy on this fiasco.

No, the greatest irony is that BG was in 3rd place before ZDs transferred. The other servers knew it. And everything they’ve complained about since Week 2 they would’ve done to a BG without ZDs.

SFShinigami.2015:

Ironically the whole bread theme came from me once telling Cuddles in PMs to go to bread instead of bed. You’re welcome BG. :P

Here is the day it all went down.

*Pic attached courtesy of Cuddlestrike from a post on these forums back in September.

(and thanks Shini <3 )

Rainami.8031:

Well on BG we do work hard to keep our place. As for the numbers thing, wow you must not play WvW much. The shear number of times I hear the commanders yelling for people to stop there PvE/PUGing and get to them is countless. Our tiny zergs vs all the massive blobs from the other servers can be daunting, but we still manage to rally. The mass number of PvEer’s that are unwilling to help are why we have a que.

Every server has pugs that don’t follow the commanders or zergs and don’t contribute at all to WvW. The fact BG has a bigger population in general is the reason they are much better EVEN if they have some pugs doing random pve stuff in WVW.

They have a bigger pool of people possibly willing to help over other servers.

Just think if your server is queued and you have a certain % of those people fighting and a certain % not fighting, what do you think your competitors may have if they don’t have a queue?

Example not factual: BG 100 people with queue 80 fighting 20 not
SOR 85 people no queue 65 fighting 20 not

Again it’s not factual is just a example showing if you have people not doing stuff then obviously SOR has people not doing stuff. On top of that SOR doesn’t have a queue and you do meaning logically you would have more people fighting AND willing to contribute.

If you want to go into rallying your PUGS together and asking them to join on TS and help the server….yea well it’s much easier said than done when your winning already. Of course your pugs will be happy to join when your winning. Fairweathers always come out when there is a no lose situation.

As for next season IMO I think Anet will have made some fixes or put some barriers in place to stop transfers after a season starts and stop transfers even before a season starts way in advanced. If not stop than punish those that transfer for WvW purposes. After all they did start that discussion about fixing population balance in WvW.

Jeydra,

We have been there at BG, those of us who have actually been with BG from thick and thin. I have seen the outnumbered buff many, many times. Did you know we were briefly a T2 server some months back? The core of BG is strong, the guilds that have been here for the long haul are the most of the front runners of our victory and coverage (not to discredit any transfers, much appreciation). Some of those guilds have shrunk to field much smaller numbers, and other have exploded.

You act as though you can never be happy about winning anything, because if you won then you must have had some unfair advantage. There will never be even numbers in every time zone on any server all the time. The BG WvW community has put a lot of work and thought into how to best use our available militia, especially in this match-up (which has been a fantastic week by the way). It seems to me like you are playing completely the wrong game mode, tpvp offers a level playing field with even numbers at all times.

Oh my god, you guys are hilarious… reminds me of a CERNtain lady… always telling me go to bread … I’m not even on BG … look what you’ve done.

=D

Seigfried.5938:

Lol you sure don’t hold back your hatred for BG. We won the first match without ZDs, we were closing the gap after week 2 weekend before ZDs came over. I’m not saying ZDs have not made a difference because they have, but BG is not nothing without them.

The ironic bit:

Seigfried.5938:

‘Lapdawgs’ don’t end the week with a 5k lead. Continue QQ’ing, JQ. I have never liked JQ because it always took advantage of the BG/SoR rivalry and you are doing it again with this post. When we all que up all 4 maps, JQ comes in dead last, says alot about the server.

Courtesy of Seigfried, week 1 of Season 1 match-ups.

I think someone’s found a friend with something in common.

Kysin.6349:

You act as though you can never be happy about winning anything, because if you won then you must have had some unfair advantage. There will never be even numbers in every time zone on any server all the time. The BG WvW community has put a lot of work and thought into how to best use our available militia, especially in this match-up (which has been a fantastic week by the way). It seems to me like you are playing completely the wrong game mode, tpvp offers a level playing field with even numbers at all times.

As I’ve said before, I want to win, but I also want to win because I played better, not because I had some kind of unfair advantage. The ideal case for me right now would be a match between three servers, all three of which could field full queues on every map 24/7. Actually make that even better: nobody goes AFK, there are no spies, nobody uses glitches or hacks or anything like that, everyone has an infinite amount of superior siege blueprints + gold to upgrade stuff, etc. THAT would be WvW at its best and something awesome to participate in.

I know some people have been on BG for a very long time. I was on BG too a very very very long time ago when WM still played for SBI, although I understood little to nothing about WvW back then. It’s certainly an achievement that BG are now the undisputed #1 of NA WvW. But to not acknowledge that we are overstacked and the 24/7 queues are having an effect on the matchup is just unethical and insulting to the tremendous amount of effort that our opponents have put in. With all due credit to BG’s hardcore WvW’ers, I think we’re winning in large part because we have more players, not because we are playing better than the opposition.

inb4 someone yells at me for “undermining” their efforts or spewing negativity or “if you don’t like it, why don’t you transfer?” again.

Sorry to break up the BG/JQ love fest BUT

Congratulations the 3-4 man SoS BL map zerg, holding our top zone for 3 odd hrs in oceanic last night was well done. ( no real pushes against us in force)

The 3-4 man BG team pushing Nth camp were persistent and fine foes. The RIOT guild 3-4 were also fine foes, a good evening . We did ok and should be happy with our efforts.