Guild Wars 2

llkoolaid.8204:

Mastermavrick.2439:

Congrats….BP took you 20min+ to take NWtower on ARBL because your terrified to rush a tower with 6 non supAC while you outnumber us by a large margin.

I wouldn’t worry. They lost your Hills while they were trying to take that tower…

As frustrated as i was yesterday night before i went to bed.. reading this in the morning made me /facepalm for them

KStudios.2850 awww graveyard/night crew shifts ><" i have not done those in a long while and yep those strange looks but like a bartender i talked to once said “its happy hour somewhere in the world”.

Brando.1374

now why is AR getting points. simple they are technically doing better than the glicko system thought it would do against a rank 12 (T4) server.

So you do understand that point. And yet, you all persist in trying to continually kitten off AR and keep folks engaged. There were (and are) a number of folks “taking time off” but when we keep getting trolled some folks decide to just keep fighting to simply twist the knife a bit more (because under the circumstances, its all we can do, but we can do that very well).

FYI, we’re tired of this match-up too.

I think it’s funny how most of the normal forum trolls (from all sides) haven’t really been around this week, so these randoms that nobody knew existed start posting, but instead of coming up with original trolls, they are just rehashing the old ones! It’s a real shame, this week had a lot of potential for some good trolling, but it was ruined by “LOLL2PnubzBPkeepin u here cuz u sucklolol” or “BP u so bad u dont kno how 2playudisgamelololol” a real kitten shame.

ekleenex.1654:

I think it’s funny how most of the normal forum trolls (from all sides) haven’t really been around this week, …

Is that why we haven’t gotten a thread locked?

Our Second String Trolls suck.

I think we got tired of locking threads around week 6 or 7. really, I think all of us on all 3 servers (EB, BP and AR) just want something new.

-ken

ekleenex.1654:

I think it’s funny how most of the normal forum trolls (from all sides) haven’t really been around this week, so these randoms that nobody knew existed start posting, but instead of coming up with original trolls, they are just rehashing the old ones! It’s a real shame, this week had a lot of potential for some good trolling, but it was ruined by “LOLL2PnubzBPkeepin u here cuz u sucklolol” or “BP u so bad u dont kno how 2playudisgamelololol” a real kitten shame.

Oh dont’ worry hun. I’ll be trolling you all next week, even if you end up in a different match- up.

and as for trolling you this week, I’m pretty sure my first post summed it up.

Kodiack.2783:

LOL BISHES!!!!

Was there something I left out?

-K

Snowreap.5174:

The Glicko-2 math isn’t that hard, it’s just tedious. But I see a lot of people still don’t understand how it works. So, here’s the story with EB and AR’s ratings:

At the beginning of the match, EB had a rating of 1550.0354 and a deviation of 182.2718, and AR had a rating of 1287.0150 and a deviation of 178.1011. When you convert these numbers to the Glicko-2 rating scale you get:
EB mu=0.2880 phi=1.0492
AR mu=-1.2260 phi=1.0252
(mu = (rating – 1500) / 173.7178, phi = (deviation) / 173.7178)

The next step is to calculate the value of the Glicko-2 g function for EB and AR:
EB g=0.8656
AR g=0.8706
(g = 1 / sqrt( 1 + 3 * phi^2 / (pi^2) ) )

Then, you calculate the value of the Glicko-2 E function for EB versus AR, and AR versus EB (unlike g which depends on one server only, E must be calculated for each pair of servers, and in both directions — A versus B, and B versus A):
EBvsAR E=0.7889
ARvsEB E=0.2124
(E = 1 / ( 1 + exp( g2 * (mu1 – mu2 ) ) ), where mu1=server rating, mu2=opponent rating, g2=opponent g value)

The final step is to figure out how big your own score has to be in order to beat the Glicko-2 expected score E (this part is based on the particular way ArenaNet has implemented Glicko-2, but is not actually part of Glicko-2 itself):
EB: m=2.2901
AR: m=0.4387
(m = ( 0.5 + arcsin( 2 * E – 1 ) / pi ) / ( 0.5 – arcsin( 2 * E – 1 ) / pi ) )

So, in order for EB to not lose any rating against AR, EB’s score needs to be 2.2901 times as big as AR’s score. And in order for AR to not lose any rating against EB, AR’s score needs to be 0.4387 times as big as BP’s score. Note that these values depend solely on the previous week’s ratings and deviations. The previous week’s scores are not involved.

Right now EB has 238,160 points compared to AR’s 134,980.
EB 238160 / 134980 = 1.7644
AR 134980 / 238160 = 0.5668

Since 1.7644 is lower than 2.2901, EB is losing rating points. and since 0.5668 is higher than 0.4387, AR is gaining rating points. That’s all there is to it.

It has nothing to do with last week’s scores. If this week’s match were to end with the exact same score as last week’s (EB=336728, AR=119306), the ratings wouldn’t stay the same, EB would gain points again and AR would lose points again:
EB 336728/119306 = 2.8224, which is higher than 2.2901
AR 119306/336728 = 0.3543, which is lower than 0.4387

See? The math isn’t hard, it’s just tiresome.

-ken

(edit: ok, I admit that the math to calculate exactly how much of a rating increase or decrease you get is hard, and it involves a lot more than shown here, but you only need to calculate that in order to figure out the new ratings. If all you want to know is whether your rating will go up or down, the math above is all you need).

TLDR version.

It’s hard for Ebay to do it on their own. They need help.

Last week they got help, they got points. This week no help, no points.

short and simple.

-K

i hope anet is just trolling us and we arnt fighting the same servers after there is a “random” matchup

next week.

AR will be Green, same match-up. Still Random.

-K

Looks like SnowReap ran some more numbers. Still at 10% chance to get AR and BP.

This is gonna suck if it happens again.

lol looks like ill be taking another 2 weeks off then

Top 10 Most Likely Matchups for June 7

Ehmry Bay
10.025946 Borlis Pass Anvil Rock
5.048311 Borlis Pass Darkhaven
3.983436 Yak’s Bend Crystal Desert
3.571205 Kaineng Crystal Desert
3.547438 Borlis Pass Sorrow’s Furnace
3.546777 Borlis Pass Isle of Janthir
3.153728 Maguuma Crystal Desert
3.135843 Kaineng Yak’s Bend
3.093776 Anvil Rock Darkhaven
2.951938 Sea of Sorrows Crystal Desert

Borlis Pass
10.025946 Ehmry Bay Anvil Rock
6.426541 Stormbluff Isle Anvil Rock
5.048311 Ehmry Bay Darkhaven
3.547438 Ehmry Bay Sorrow’s Furnace
3.546777 Ehmry Bay Isle of Janthir
3.262005 Stormbluff Isle Darkhaven
2.883221 Crystal Desert Anvil Rock
2.250754 Stormbluff Isle Sorrow’s Furnace
2.250213 Stormbluff Isle Isle of Janthir
1.762934 Ehmry Bay Gate of Madness

Anvil Rock
10.025946 Ehmry Bay Borlis Pass
6.426541 Stormbluff Isle Borlis Pass
3.093776 Ehmry Bay Darkhaven
2.883221 Crystal Desert Borlis Pass
2.508383 Isle of Janthir Gate of Madness
2.456616 Isle of Janthir Sorrow’s Furnace
2.452050 Sorrow’s Furnace Gate of Madness
2.400696 Darkhaven Gate of Madness
2.227232 Darkhaven Isle of Janthir
2.182122 Darkhaven Sorrow’s Furnace

-ken

Jinks.2057:

KStudios.2850:

Jinks.2057:

KStudios.2850:

Jinks.2057:

So what’s everyone gonna do when tonight’s reset pits all of us together again???

Well, it’ll be about 7:00 am Saturday morning before I even know who we’re facing (if I resist the urge to peek in here from work first).

First, I’m gonna have my post-work shower and glass of iced tea. Then, some toast. Then I’ll check the match-up once I log in. If it’s the same lot of us, there’s a good chance I’ll just set myself up to akitten-dance in LA, hang up the mouse for the morning, and go get my play and cuddle time in with my year old daughter instead. Before she grows up to hate my guts, lol.

Edit: Again, why is “away from keyboard” omitted Anet?

I’m very confused as to why you are drinking ice tea instead of a beer……..

Well I’m not that kind of parent for one, lol. Secondly, cause beer don’t “kick” enough. I also note I can easily make teas of far different varieties, if I so desired. I’m not unfamiliar behind a bar.

Besides, folks look at you funny when you come in to buy booze before 7 am lol. My 7 am is most people’s 7 pm.

You still aren’t making any sense…..buying booze as the liquor store opens is a good kittening time.

Rofl! To pickled livers!

Could be worse, I guess. ET and FC are probably tired of seeing each other. At least they’ll be getting some variety now in who beats them.

Eredon Terrace
17.086796 Henge of Denravi Ferguson’s Crossing
15.584487 Devona’s Rest Ferguson’s Crossing
8.844888 Northern Shiverpeaks Ferguson’s Crossing
8.625119 Devona’s Rest Henge of Denravi
5.044956 Northern Shiverpeaks Henge of Denravi
4.726414 Gate of Madness Ferguson’s Crossing
4.661238 Northern Shiverpeaks Devona’s Rest
2.909290 Gate of Madness Henge of Denravi
2.795598 Sorrow’s Furnace Ferguson’s Crossing
2.743255 Gate of Madness Devona’s Rest

Ferguson’s Crossing
17.086796 Henge of Denravi Eredon Terrace
15.584487 Devona’s Rest Eredon Terrace
8.844888 Northern Shiverpeaks Eredon Terrace
5.136206 Devona’s Rest Henge of Denravi
4.726414 Gate of Madness Eredon Terrace
3.307111 Northern Shiverpeaks Henge of Denravi
3.139062 Northern Shiverpeaks Devona’s Rest
2.795598 Sorrow’s Furnace Eredon Terrace
2.618045 Isle of Janthir Eredon Terrace
2.317031 Gate of Madness Henge of Denravi

But the #1 most likely matchup across all servers is SoR+BG+JQ:

Sanctum of Rall
38.489829 Blackgate Jade Quarry
10.127311 Blackgate Dragonbrand
9.887990 Blackgate Tarnished Coast
8.676520 Jade Quarry Dragonbrand
8.464115 Jade Quarry Tarnished Coast
5.210674 Blackgate Fort Aspenwood
4.484711 Jade Quarry Fort Aspenwood
2.793736 Tarnished Coast Dragonbrand
2.532925 Tarnished Coast Fort Aspenwood
2.458367 Dragonbrand Fort Aspenwood

-ken

Suppose there is no room to complain then. 10% doesn’t seem to bad when looking at the THIRTY EIGHT% for T1.

not sure why the number Thirty Eight % set it off the swear filter.

Kodiack.2783:

Snowreap.5174:

The Glicko-2 math isn’t that hard, it’s just tedious. But I see a lot of people still don’t understand how it works. So, here’s the story with EB and AR’s ratings:

At the beginning of the match, EB had a rating of 1550.0354 and a deviation of 182.2718, and AR had a rating of 1287.0150 and a deviation of 178.1011. When you convert these numbers to the Glicko-2 rating scale you get:
EB mu=0.2880 phi=1.0492
AR mu=-1.2260 phi=1.0252
(mu = (rating – 1500) / 173.7178, phi = (deviation) / 173.7178)

The next step is to calculate the value of the Glicko-2 g function for EB and AR:
EB g=0.8656
AR g=0.8706
(g = 1 / sqrt( 1 + 3 * phi^2 / (pi^2) ) )

Then, you calculate the value of the Glicko-2 E function for EB versus AR, and AR versus EB (unlike g which depends on one server only, E must be calculated for each pair of servers, and in both directions — A versus B, and B versus A):
EBvsAR E=0.7889
ARvsEB E=0.2124
(E = 1 / ( 1 + exp( g2 * (mu1 – mu2 ) ) ), where mu1=server rating, mu2=opponent rating, g2=opponent g value)

The final step is to figure out how big your own score has to be in order to beat the Glicko-2 expected score E (this part is based on the particular way ArenaNet has implemented Glicko-2, but is not actually part of Glicko-2 itself):
EB: m=2.2901
AR: m=0.4387
(m = ( 0.5 + arcsin( 2 * E – 1 ) / pi ) / ( 0.5 – arcsin( 2 * E – 1 ) / pi ) )

So, in order for EB to not lose any rating against AR, EB’s score needs to be 2.2901 times as big as AR’s score. And in order for AR to not lose any rating against EB, AR’s score needs to be 0.4387 times as big as BP’s score. Note that these values depend solely on the previous week’s ratings and deviations. The previous week’s scores are not involved.

Right now EB has 238,160 points compared to AR’s 134,980.
EB 238160 / 134980 = 1.7644
AR 134980 / 238160 = 0.5668

Since 1.7644 is lower than 2.2901, EB is losing rating points. and since 0.5668 is higher than 0.4387, AR is gaining rating points. That’s all there is to it.

It has nothing to do with last week’s scores. If this week’s match were to end with the exact same score as last week’s (EB=336728, AR=119306), the ratings wouldn’t stay the same, EB would gain points again and AR would lose points again:
EB 336728/119306 = 2.8224, which is higher than 2.2901
AR 119306/336728 = 0.3543, which is lower than 0.4387

See? The math isn’t hard, it’s just tiresome.

-ken

(edit: ok, I admit that the math to calculate exactly how much of a rating increase or decrease you get is hard, and it involves a lot more than shown here, but you only need to calculate that in order to figure out the new ratings. If all you want to know is whether your rating will go up or down, the math above is all you need).

TLDR version.

It’s hard for Ebay to do it on their own. They need help.

Last week they got help, they got points. This week no help, no points.

short and simple.

-K

Now THAT was a good troll, I was really getting worried there for awhile.

Agriope.4523:

Commander Buffalo and his [WAR] (War Lords) “highly-skilled, absolutely coordinated” minions informed us that we “aren’t really a guild” and “don’t do anything to help anyone”.

So, we decided to help.

PS. Enjoyed the fights tonight.

So you basically forked their yard….awesome

sorry, I should have said that SoR+BG+JQ is the #1 most likely matchup in the US.

in EU, that honor goes to Vabbi / Fissure of Woe / Arborstone:

Vabbi
46.664674 Arborstone [FR] Fissure of Woe
21.400611 Whiteside Ridge Fissure of Woe
14.165766 Ring of Fire Fissure of Woe
12.697459 Blacktide Fissure of Woe
2.282423 Dzagonur [DE] Fissure of Woe
1.828723 Underworld Fissure of Woe
0.422119 Ruins of Surmia Fissure of Woe
0.299046 Gunnar’s Hold Fissure of Woe
0.231401 Fort Ranik [FR] Fissure of Woe
0.006473 Whiteside Ridge Arborstone [FR]

there’s virtually no chance that Vabbi and Fissure of Woe won’t both be put into the same match. the only question is, against whom?

-ken

I am trying to take a break from spreadsheets and fubah legacy databases here at work, and what do I find? More numbers…

Someone post some funny cat videos or something please

http://qkme.me/3urihp

I’ll be optimistic… last week we beat all odds and got the same matchup. That means we are all REALLY GOOD at getting an uncommon roll. So this week that means that if we all do that again, we get to go our separate ways.

If it doesn’t happen I do think we should stage a 6pm protest on the Matchup forum to see if ANet will do a re-roll. They broke the system by injecting points into the T8 matchup to force a new result when SF had been stuck there for 13 weeks draining all the fun and the life out of that match, so precedent has been set. They should be willing to do the same for us. Agreed?

Snowreap.5174:

http://qkme.me/3urihp

The spreadsheet was output from a DB, put I get your point, and yes I smiled. The conversations I have had here trying to convince scientists that while yes, Excel is a great program but you really need to
Be using a DB.

We have some old timers who keep what are essentially paper DBs/records. I just .. I mean.. /sigh

I’m preparing my “Goodbye Dearest Kyle” letter, just in case we roll new servers tonight. You’ll forever have a special place in my heart.

Gonna be the same kittening matchup

Ebay, AR, may this be the last memory we have of each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VkkwqO1LVgA

Well if this is the end of the journey in the matchup I want to say I have enjoyed my numerous fights with certain people I remember.

Shout out to…

The Star guild:
I can’t lie you guys have some pretty good players that Engi that doesn’t die. The little asuran in teal and orange that is always with that warrior. You guys got me yesterday with the snipe when I had my staff out good one

vT: That Phantasm mesmer that looks like a female darth maul. Yea its phantasm its probably the best 1v1 spec in the game right now nonetheless still good fights. Hawk rest of vT always fun.

Kobl/Oath thieves: My favorite group to troll and go after especially that p/d troll thief that doesn’t kill anything. You know cloak and dagger on mobs keeps you in combat right?

The SBZY engi with predator with the eye patch always go after that guy.

Moob thief/engi your engi is much better than your thief but good fights either way.

Purple haired female warrior in core dat dps o.O

Kelly the thief that was low yesterday with that comeback gank. When I was 1v1ing that engi. Ill see if I can get a revenge kill in before reset.

Of course the homey Skullclamp my build testing buddy.

If we have the same matchup again disregard this post.

If anyone wants to do some 1v1’s or 2v2’s PM me in-game!

:)

2~ hours till we see Ebay and AR again

ekleenex.1654:

I’m preparing my “Goodbye Dearest Kyle” letter, just in case we roll new servers tonight. You’ll forever have a special place in my heart.

Tit-for-tat, I will return the favor.

Everyone ready for a fantastic week of EB/AR/BP again? Or better yet, watch BP and AR get put in T1 or T2 and eBay go down to T6. YOU WATCH!

Honest question, would you rather have the same match-up or this:

Syktek.7912:

BP and AR get put in T1 or T2 and eBay go down to T6.

happen? I know I’d rather that the latter happen (speaking from a purely selfish perspective). Would be interested to hear what others think

Syktek.7912:

Everyone ready for a fantastic week of EB/AR/BP again? Or better yet, watch BP and AR get put in T1 or T2 and eBay go down to T6. YOU WATCH!

I’ll be so kitten ed off if that did happen……..I so wanna fight T1

THANK GOD THIS MATCH UP IS OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good fights everyone, hope you all are happy in your new matchup!

Was great fighting yall. Shout outs to GH/GF for some good times

Ebay.. I miss you already.

x0x0×00

-K

Kodiack.2783:

Ebay.. I miss you already.

x0x0×00

-K

I know! I squee’ed like a lil girl when I found out it was Mag and FA, two monster servers. We’re gonna get our teeth kicked in so hard lol! I love it! But I’ll have to find someone else to make me feel like dirt now that you are gone! They’ve got some big shoes to fill though!

/nethuggles

it feels refreshing but really weird not facing you all at least for the first bit. Time to lurk your matchups.

SBI runs in one massive zerg from fight to fight. no small groups. no 2nd commander on the map, just 1 massive zerg. Can’t even fight them as each encounter turns into Stonemist level lag slideshow fight.

Should be another fun week of leveling my Necro.

-K

We must keep this thread alive for old time sake.

We must never forget the “Great Patriotic War” against Ebay.

So who are the patriots and who are the redcoats?

Also, does that make AR the French?

Reading thru your threads is making me smile.

BP is back to its old line, “we’re not bigger , just better!!”

And Ebay is talking about how they are going to lose because of numbers. ..

what happened to that skill you guys bragged about, see my sig for reference.

-K

Kodiak can’t get over us. Sorry toots, we’ve moved on to prettier girls.

(I really hope you’re not one of those creepy exes who leaves breath marks on our windows in the middle of the night. That’d just be awkward.)

Faux Sheaux.6179:

So who are the patriots and who are the redcoats?

Also, does that make AR the French?

Hahaha, that definitely makes AR the French. Rather than learn to play and become organized our server says, “I’m le tiredddd” and took a nap for 3 weeks!

Lets face it, we are never going to forget this match up.

This shall live in infamy.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

So who are the patriots and who are the redcoats?

Also, does that make AR the French?

I’d say AR would be the Indians. No matter who won in the fight between the warring factions, they were destined to lose.

Ebay crying about being night capped in that ‘other’ thread. What happened to your improved night guild? I dont’ wanna dig up the post but you guys mad a guild specifically for night coverage.

-K

Kodiack.2783:

Ebay crying about being night capped in that ‘other’ thread. What happened to your improved night guild? I dont’ wanna dig up the post but you guys mad a guild specifically for night coverage.

-K

You’ve never seen the nightcapping force for FA, have you? You know our primetime numbers? Imagine that while most of your server is asleep due to being NA times. In other words, their nighttime force number is HUGE. We stand no chance without more players on at that time. In fact, most servers would stand no chance against it.