Guild Wars 2

Who says the new matchup system doesn’t give fun and balanced matchups. On the NA side, Tiers 1 4 5 6 7 all look balanced to me.

Yes there are 3 blowouts. But the same thing happened before the new system was introduced with the old and stale matches.

From May 25 to June 1 we had blowouts in Tiers 4 5 and 8.

This week we have them in 2 3 and 8.

At least the new system gives us some variety.

Not disagreeing with you, and indeed, I quite like the new system, even if it does seem the variance modifier is currently slightly too high.

But the t1 and t5 matchups (ie. two of the balanced ones claimed) are currently exactly as they would have been had the new system not been implemented.

Yes and where were you last week when we had 1 close NA match, 1 not a full blowout, and 6 blowouts?

T8 will always be a blowout. Same as T9 EU. There just isn’t a 3rd server that matches with the bottom two.

The T5 match under the old system took 13 weeks of fights where 2 servers allied couldn’t stand up to the 3rd to finally move SBI to that spot though, and the new system not only allows that match but any other combo of 13-21 (maybe 22 in lots of cases) which are all good and reasonably even matchups. Saying ‘ya, but the old system would have done that anyway’ overlooks one of the old systems greatest failings. The journey of course correction was extremely long and overly painful. This system moves servers to their appropriate spot very quickly by comparing them to a wider variety of opponent.

new system is doing something the old one couldn’t. it’s putting servers that were sitting at artificially high standings down, and servers that were stuck at artificially low standings up. yes there are some blowouts along the way, and those may not be the most fun matches ever, but even then you should be able to find good fights somewhere.

i am enjoying this very much. “losing” the ppt battle to BP was more preferable to beating the snot out of ET/FC. at least while facing BP there were people to fight. most of the time when matched with ET or FC it’s hard to find anything other than NPC’s, and when you do find either server it’s typically their entire WvW population in one zerg (i realize for ET this is actually true and i feel very sad for them).

To be fair, when FC was match with IoJ and DR we did much better than we did this week or against GoM. We did better because ET doesn’t take as big a shot as we do. It hurts us more when ET can’t roll with the third server.

If people would transfer down to ET (or FC) I would be really grateful. It would help us both out more than you can imagine.

I hope a few guilds transfer down to ET and FC from the top 1/3’d too Ynot. The only server from 13 down that I would consider to be overpowered for some of their opponents is BP. If ET and FC were to grow just a bit we’d have something close to complete balance for a full half of the servers in the NA chain! That would result in some truly spectacular matchmaking.

Ynot.8397:

To be fair, when FC was match with IoJ and DR we did much better than we did this week or against GoM. We did better because ET doesn’t take as big a shot as we do. It hurts us more when ET can’t roll with the third server.

If people would transfer down to ET (or FC) I would be really grateful. It would help us both out more than you can imagine.

this is very true. when paired against IoJ and DR without ET in the mix, FC was able to hold it’s own against DR. it would be ideal to see some transfers to ET to help bring them up to a more even playing field. right now they are in a very underpopulated class of their own (WvW wise), while there are maybe 6 servers above them capable of being somewhat competitive with each other.

The new system needed time to stabilize.

Last week there were 2 close match ups.

This week there are 5.

Hopefully this trend continues.

Its funny nsp has yet to be blown out in t6 despite constantly being outmanned.. talk about having a falsely low rating.. the new system is helping to fix our rating I love it

We really need to stop using tiers to describe things as they no longer exist. For example “T1” last week didn’t even have the servers ranked #2 and #3 in it.

The new match up system is fine, but they need to greatly reduce the variance because it is causing serious blowouts. I really don’t think a server should play anyone more than 3 ranks above or below them. #1 vs #4 is fine… but #1 vs #9 is not even remotely close.

obastable.5231:

this is very true. when paired against IoJ and DR without ET in the mix, FC was able to hold it’s own against DR.

I wouldn’t be so quick to come to this conclusion.

covenn.7165:

We really need to stop using tiers to describe things as they no longer exist. For example “T1” last week didn’t even have the servers ranked #2 and #3 in it.

The new match up system is fine, but they need to greatly reduce the variance because it is causing serious blowouts. I really don’t think a server should play anyone more than 3 ranks above or below them. #1 vs #4 is fine… but #1 vs #9 is not even remotely close.

1. vs #4 isn’t even fine, no matter who you take to be #4 (it’s either DB or TC, and SoR would beat either to the ground. BG can probably do the same). It’s not a coincidence that the mixing has led to relatively even matches in the middle (3-7) tiers but not for the top 2 brackets – stacking has led to such a disparity in numbers at the top that we will never escape terrible matchups near the top until de-stacking happens.

Gab Superstar.4059:

obastable.5231:

this is very true. when paired against IoJ and DR without ET in the mix, FC was able to hold it’s own against DR.

I wouldn’t be so quick to come to this conclusion.

i realize this was facilitated by DR & IoJ’s extreme and unnatural hate for each other, but i maintain that FC does have the population to be competitive with other servers.

ET on the other hand is lucky if they can get 25 people at prime time, and until this changes they are not capable of being competitive with anyone and, in fact, unbalance any matchup they are in by allowing the stronger server to focus fire and artificially dominate.

ykyk.2740:

covenn.7165:

We really need to stop using tiers to describe things as they no longer exist. For example “T1” last week didn’t even have the servers ranked #2 and #3 in it.

The new match up system is fine, but they need to greatly reduce the variance because it is causing serious blowouts. I really don’t think a server should play anyone more than 3 ranks above or below them. #1 vs #4 is fine… but #1 vs #9 is not even remotely close.

Rank #1 vs #4 isn’t even fine, no matter who you take to be #4 (it’s either DB or TC, and SoR would beat either to the ground. BG can probably do the same). It’s not a coincidence that the mixing has led to relatively even matches in the middle (3-7) tiers but not for the top 2 brackets – stacking has led to such a disparity in numbers at the top that we will never escape terrible matchups near the top until de-stacking happens.

I agree more with Covenn – we honestly don’t know how a TC-SoR-BG match would play out. TC would likely still come in third but would it do better or worse than JQ is doing this week and would changes in coverage balances allow BG to top SoR? Who knows? We also don’t know how a BG-JQ-TC match would play out, nor a JQ-TC-FA match, but the reason all those matches are interesting is because all those Servers are fairly close in Rank. SoS did great in EBG last week but that was the only place they could be competitive and it skewed the whole match.

Having said that I’d still love to see ANet lower the Server Map Cap to 50 or 60 and allow Free Transfers for a week or two just because WvW is more fun when the game can actually handle Zergs colliding without major lag and it would be easier for more Servers to be competitive if people did de-stack off of the top Servers a bit.

The population difference between tier 1, 2, and 3 is too large for this random system to ever not give blowouts there. It took 6 months of transfers to get those three stable, and they were very balanced, but now it’s just never going to happen.

I still don’t know why they can’t manually match servers. It’s very obvious who belongs where and when a promotion/demotion deserves a try.

Meanwhile in eu 2/9 matchups are balanced. Last week 1/9 matchups was balanced, so yes great system anet…..

jiddo.8041:

Meanwhile in eu 2/9 matchups are balanced. Last week 1/9 matchups was balanced, so yes great system anet…..

3-5-6 is not balanced because 6 clearly wins?

20-21-23 sounds very balanced as well, even if 20 dominates, but the surprise is 23 seem to beat 21.

24-26-27 is as balanced as it can be, would not be more balanced, if it would be 25-26-27

2-10-11 is not balanced, but all 3 sides like it. (as long as it is not repeated)

1-4-7 is not the dream match for 7, but they do well compared to 4.

Really bad are only 2:
8-15-16
and
9-17-18

There is an inherent problem when the +random to the matchup calculation, can put a server vs another server which is separated by 6 ranks, especially when that server is 4th from bottom.

There is no way for a server 4th from bottom to be matched with a server 5 or 6 ranks under them, since those servers do not exist. Let’s not even get into how the bottom ranked server feels about things.

Same goes for the top 6 servers. The whole thing was a terribly bad idea which was called by many before it was implemented.

Add server population to the mix and maybe we`ll get somewhere. But +random from my perspective only ever benefited the big servers, and those masochists who enjoy being stomped all over.

There is one nice matchup in EU= 12-15-21
really balanced