Make player kill loot better
Anet please do this.
Why would they do that? That totally fits the paradigm of risk vs reward that’s expected in games.
/sarcasm
I’d love to get better than 6 barbs for killing five players. Bare minimum, I should be getting a blue item.
I like this idea, but depending on how much the loot improves, I would I worry about players kill-trading for loot.
One way to fix this would be to make the loot scale based on how long the player has been alive. I believe they do this already for WXP.
Someone who just zoned into WvW or who dies frequently would be worth less loot/WXP, while someone who has survived a long time would be worth more.
I would just farm people all day on EotM.
Oh wait, I already do that…
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I like this idea, but depending on how much the loot improves, I would I worry about players kill-trading for loot.
One way to fix this would be to make the loot scale based on how long the player has been alive. I believe they do this already for WXP.
Someone who just zoned into WvW or who dies frequently would be worth less loot/WXP, while someone who has survived a long time would be worth more.
We’d get zergs hunting eachother. That would be fun.
As it’s right now, I’m just selling the bags for 5s a piece.
Reward player vs player a bit more than player vs arrow cart and it should be alright lol.
We’d get zergs hunting eachother. That would be fun.
We do this already, we’ve had a enemy zerg of 80+ run and cower behind a tower filled with ACs from a zerg of probably 50, max.
But today this is a daily occurrence, why die when you can run away and attack an undefended tower from the other enemy or another map.
This is why the entire mechanics behind WvW must change if they want to save it.
Reward player vs player a bit more than player vs arrow cart and it should be alright lol.
Yak’s Bend disagree with your idea.
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Mërcenaries [Sold] – Ferguson’s Crossing
What? Commanders showing off 5k spikes isn’t funny any longer?
Oh, never was…
Something must be better than the oodles of spikes. Seriously. Better loot = more fun.
I dunno. This idea might break the game mode. I mean, I once got a blue greatsword after wiping a zerg. Imagine if that were a regular occurrence — gg economy
They just reduced the t6 drop from lootbags
Just the WvW
R3200+
They just reduced the t6 drop from lootbags
source?
99% the time, the loot from lootbags worths less than selling the bag on TP. It’s just stupid.
If I had a Spike, I’d totally show him off … why does Buffy keep stealing Spike from me, seriously …
LOL BooDuh… we should be able to use the spikes to stomp players.
than people meet somewhere in mid from spawnpoints and freekill eachother all day to farm loot
LvL (Loot vs Loot) is born – new gamemode
I agree that a player should drop greater loot in WvW than everything but a champion in theory.
The problem is that you kill a whole lot more players than you do guards, lords etc in any populated server. So would that lead to a huge gear inflation?
The only real answer would be to make each player drop loot as if they were either a guard, veteran or lord depending on their rank upon dead BUT ONLY once every X minutes. (Much like an RI timer but only for loot).
Loot stacks
-gain a stack for every x players killed.
-higher stacks mean YOU drop better loot when killed
-Remove on down.
CD→SoS→BG→ET→DB→JQ→SoS→
Mag→JQ→SoS→JQ→TC→FA→DB→FA→Mag→TC→KN
Loot stacks
-gain a stack for every x players killed.
-higher stacks mean YOU drop better loot when killed
-Remove on down.
Oh, interesting idea!
I don’t know though. Many people saying players will basically farm each other for kills. Then why are we in WvW at all? I thought we were there for our servers. However, at the same time, since I can make WAY better coin in PvE, there needs to be some increase/improvement in the rewards in WvW. Honestly, it is truly disheartening to get a barb after battling another player for any length of time. I should get more for that than I would for getting out my pickaxe and harvesting mithril!!!!!
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Hundreds of bags. Befor one of 8 bags droped, now 1 of 20.
They often change the loot without announcements. If anybody remember the times befor wvw ranks… If you got 2 rare on the same week everybody called you cheater. Now 1 exo and 3-4 rares a day
Just the WvW
R3200+
If WvW was better gold than PvE, then nobody would do PvE.
Less quantity, better quality. I spend an inordinate amount of time inventory managing in this game thanks to the trash loot system in place.
“Youre lips are movin and youre complaining about something thats wingeing.”
If WvW was better gold than PvE, then nobody would do PvE.
In the 3-4 hours that I play the game, i could make 30+ gold in PvE.
Rares would have to drop like barbs to match that kind of coin.
Or doors could be made impervious to player damage.
Or doors could be made impervious to player damage.
bro i think you meant to put that in this thread.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/WvW-Suggestion-Make-towers-defendable/first#post4146486
Increasing player loot by large amounts would lead to players exploiting it. In fact you just need multiple accounts to do it and no need of other players. A way to prevent this exploit: each player should have a 10-15 minute timer after you’re dead. You won’t give any loot if you are killed again within this 10 -15 minute timer.
I do not think the NPC loot (guards, lords) on normal WvWvW maps are a problem. Even if you exploit the 3 minute respawn timer and keep on killing the keep guards, archers and scouts over and over again, you won’t get much loot compared to EotM or pve farming.
I am for slightly increasing both the NPC and player rewards on normal WvWvW maps to make the rewards equal to EotM karma train. They should adjust the loot tables, less broken chips and fang and other junk items, more useful items like green or blue item drops of any level (you can at least salvage them for materials, and also get the needed t2-t4 materials for ascended). Sadly the WXP chest rewards cannot be increased as EotM is giving them at all rapid speed. For those players, who don’t play EotM, the WXP rank chest rewards are pitiful. The drop rate of ascended accessories seems to be roughly 1 per 300 chests or so and exotic drops happen once in a blue moon from the rank chests as well.
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Increasing player loot by large amounts would lead to players exploiting it. In fact you just need multiple accounts to do it and no need of other players. A way to prevent this exploit: each player should have a 10-15 minute timer after you’re dead. You won’t give any loot if you are killed again within this 10 -15 minute timer.
I do not think the NPC loot (guards, lords) on normal WvWvW maps are a problem. Even if you exploit the 3 minute respawn timer and keep on killing the keep guards, archers and scouts over and over again, you won’t get much loot compared to EotM or pve farming.
I am for slightly increasing both the NPC and player rewards on normal WvWvW maps to make the rewards equal to EotM karma train. They should adjust the loot tables, less broken chips and fang and other junk items, more useful items like green or blue item drops of any level (you can at least salvage them for materials, and also get the needed t2-t4 materials for ascended). Sadly the WXP chest rewards cannot be increased as EotM is giving them at all rapid speed. For those players, who don’t play EotM, the WXP rank chest rewards are pitiful. The drop rate of ascended accessories seems to be roughly 1 per 300 chests or so and exotic drops happen once in a blue moon from the rank chests as well.
I was under the impression that this is how it works in WvW now. I pretty sure I read somewhere that the longer a player stayed alive the better the quality of loots they give when they die. Spikes would be from players that have just die, I guess. One time I had a chest drop from a player, never happened again, and there was just junk in it.
Loot stacks
-gain a stack for every x players killed.
-higher stacks mean YOU drop better loot when killed
-Remove on down.
There is something similar already in game. The longer you are alive the better WXP you give when killed. If only WXP was worth anything after a certain point…
Anyway, the code is already implemented. Just add loot level counter to it.
Thief/Necro/Guardian/Mesmer/Elementalist of SFR EU
Increase rewards from wvw chest, rank above 1400 give nothing. It should give more silver. Ofc delete wvw rewards from eotm, this should be temporary que map not kitten*** loot farm.
+1 on increasing drops from player kills. If the concern is players exploiting this and allowing people to be kill them, then apply a diminishing returns like is done for wxp. As far as EoTM, I lean the other direction, the Borderlands need to be brought up to EoTM level, not the other way around. Good hunting!
De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
Even if they increased reward for killing players, and people exploited it, it would still be slower/less profitable than pve. So that argument is pretty invalid.
CD→SoS→BG→ET→DB→JQ→SoS→
Mag→JQ→SoS→JQ→TC→FA→DB→FA→Mag→TC→KN
please anet?
I’m getting poor, and my stacks of [&AgF3TAAA] http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spike aren’t paying the bills.
Plz make player kill loot better.
Kthanksbai
I agree, the loot drops should be improved. I also agree that they should be merit/performance based as well – or at least have that factored in.
1) Start with the standard loot table.
2) Modify the drop rates on rarer items based on:
——-A) How much damage you contributed to the kill.
——-B) Did you execute and complete a finisher on the downed player?
——-C) How many prior kills do you have since last being downed?
——-D) How many kills did the downed player have?
I think your first kill since being downed (or joining a map) should have the standard drop rates, maybe even a lesser chance of a blue or higher item. But as you progress through the match, the drop rates shift toward blue and higher items.
Basically, provide incentive for players to actually play well and participate correctly within their squad/zerg.
Whether they do something or not, EVERYTHING in the game is farmable in some way or another. There’s simply no way for ANet to prevent that from happening. Because of that, I think the farming argument is completely invalid.
Alternatively, I think that there should be a reward system introduced for players that focus more on buffing and healing their squad than getting kills. These players have a direct impact on the survivability of their team and should be rewarded accordingly, even if they aren’t getting kills or dishing out massive DPS directly.
That’s an easy one to +1. Player kills should drop improved loot or extra chances at loot in the least.
De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
Make loot for support players better!
I play staff ele and because I mainly stick to water atonement for the water fields, I barely get any loot, whilst the rest of the group get tonnes and tonnes of loot bags!
It’s an unfair system which has helped to create a zerg full of warriors and guardians! And this play style is ruining WvW
100% agree with the original post – sick of getting rubbish spikes from killing players. Also make it so that you are guaranteed a boh for each player you kill. As someone who spends most of their time solo roaming and scouting, getting boh for building siege is a nightmare… I keep having to take week holidays in eotm. Funny how the people who would benefit the most from boh seem to get them least in drops.
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I understand that WvW will never be comparable to PvE in terms of loot. If you are loot-driven then it is safe to say that WvW is not for you.
Nonetheless, I would not mind to get more rewards from an actual PK rather than capping a tower…
How to do it?
Not easy, but I like the suggestion of increasing coin drops for WvW rank chests 1390+
It is also quite odd that, loot-wise, EotM train is way more rewarding than the actual WvW…
Also, please give us some better/new ways to spend Badge of Honor.
Desolation
100% agree with the original post – sick of getting rubbish spikes from killing players. Also make it so that you are guaranteed a boh for each player you kill. As someone who spends most of their time solo roaming and scouting, getting boh for building siege is a nightmare… I keep having to take week holidays in eotm. Funny how the people who would benefit the most from boh seem to get them least in drops.
You are playing on the wrong server and recruiting more loot bags there. ;-)
I just completed crafting yet another character with full ascended set (around 1000 gold cost, armor materials are kitten costly), 10k badges still left after buying tons of badges. I don’t do dungeon farm, I haven’t done a single achievement point of Living Story 2 and I seriously dislike EotM, but solo roaming and scouting vs SFR… that is where the loot is! I made around 1000 gold / 2 months, just few hours per day. Even Vizunah Square never gave this good loot!
If WvW was better gold than PvE, then nobody would do PvE.
That must never happen. It will destroy NCsofts revenue.
100% agree with the original post – sick of getting rubbish spikes from killing players. Also make it so that you are guaranteed a boh for each player you kill. As someone who spends most of their time solo roaming and scouting, getting boh for building siege is a nightmare… I keep having to take week holidays in eotm. Funny how the people who would benefit the most from boh seem to get them least in drops.
You are playing on the wrong server and recruiting more loot bags there. ;-)
I just completed crafting yet another character with full ascended set (around 1000 gold cost, armor materials are kitten costly), 10k badges still left after buying tons of badges. I don’t do dungeon farm, I haven’t done a single achievement point of Living Story 2 and I seriously dislike EotM, but solo roaming and scouting vs SFR… that is where the loot is! I made around 1000 gold / 2 months, just few hours per day. Even Vizunah Square never gave this good loot!
Yeh… that’s because it is much more difficult to kill someone from SFR so the loot reflects that… killing Deso just gives you lots of spikes and if you are lucky a glob of globby gloop.
Acid Bath Babies Go Plop Plop [FizZ]
This I think is a terrible idea, it just turns WvW into more of a zergfest then it already is. It encourages the whole zerging mentality and becomes more akin to PvE. It just provides more incentive for people to roll around in zergs knowing the reward gap is so much more higher in a zerg then in small groups.
It also doesn’t encourage people to fight each other either. Zergs are mostly all about the bigger zerg winning. Why would a smaller zerg risk dieing to a bigger zerg when it can just cap towers and keeps and get more rewards. A smaller numbered zerg is always going to avoid the bigger zerg, no matter what the rewards are. A bigger zerg is always going to want to engage the smaller zerg, higher rewards don’t change that.
Overall better loot doesn’t change anything, aside from encouraging the zerging mentality, and probably more people moving over to EoTM from WvW, where the zerging mentality and the whole small zerg avoids large zerg is much more prevalent.
WvW is supposed to be a form of player vs player combat, not an additional form of PvE. Unfortunately however, the way WvW is right now makes it a form of PvE.
I support this.
It would help edge of the mists a lot. (Right now commanders flee from fights)
It may also help WvW populations.
Still like the idea of increasing the loot from player kills. The fight itself is the fun part but the bags are an extra treat which is why I would even go with adjusting the potential drops there. Make them more like EoTM champ bags that have a chance for coin, crafting materials, gear and some other randoms. If that’s out, up the value of the spikes or other junk loot from the player kills in the least. Risk=reward, players tend to be more difficult to fight then most NPCs, they should pay better. And WvW isn’t cheap if you buying siege and paying for upgrades.
De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
If you want to encourage fights in WvW yes do this.
In fact get rid of Bloodlust and increase the rewards for player kills would be the best option.
Don’t let me down Anet. I know you are going to portalbomb us all with some fabulous use for the spikes. After all, you enhanced the GUI for spikes in the September release pack.
I can’t wait to see what team Anet has in store for us!
P.S. Yes, WvW is pricey. Some increased incentive basis would be much appreciated. Unfourtunatly, the soup and structure upgrades don’t grow on trees in the Mists.
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… because blobbing guardians spamming staff #1 don’t get enough loot.
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Blobbing guardians spamming 1 only kill people who dont know how to dodge or are caught way out of position
Please give us better drops from player kills.