Guild Wars 2

What does this add to the game vs. what borerlands take away from the game? Borderlands only benefit stacked servers.

A large PK instance. Without it, gw2 will not be as good as it is. Not withstanding the ppt fights for those who care.

More serious fights than the pugblobzerging in EB

One map is not enough for the massive WvW population. It’s permanently increasing.

Without the BL’s I wouldn’t do WvW. EB for my server is typically pugs kitten ing at the gate of SM and a few more organized players flipping camps and a tower or 2.

Getting rid of the borderlands would do a lot to solve the problem of servers being outnumbered. All three servers would be roughly equal numbers. The point scores would reflect actual accomplishment instead of simply which server was bigger.

As far as waiting in a queue or overflow, that is already normal in GW2. Any of the major PvE events, like Tequatl or Scarlet’s Minions, result in overflow for days.

The borderlands should be converted to something more useful or at least scored seperately from EB, so we can see how well each server is actually doing.

I prefer the borderlands a lot more. EBG is too zergy by nature and doesn’t have as ordered predictable map flows that simulate a real war front. Also, too much trebbing.

However the suggestion to cut down on maps might have some value, as then the top overpopulated servers would face enormously long queues, which would necessitate the player base spreading out to far more servers.

The concept (regardless of how you think it worked) was that of the open world siege warfare. More variability is the best – it’s not meant to be just a huge PvP arena.

The real question should be why are all 3 BLs so similar (for balance, I know, but still) and why are there no more new maps added.

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

Getting rid of the borderlands would do a lot to solve the problem of servers being outnumbered. All three servers would be roughly equal numbers. The point scores would reflect actual accomplishment instead of simply which server was bigger.

As far as waiting in a queue or overflow, that is already normal in GW2. Any of the major PvE events, like Tequatl or Scarlet’s Minions, result in overflow for days.

The borderlands should be converted to something more useful or at least scored seperately from EB, so we can see how well each server is actually doing.

earendil.1290:

The real question should be why are all 3 BLs so similar (for balance, I know, but still) and why are there no more new maps added.

They way Anet always answers this question, it seems WvW maps are about the most laborious thing for them to create in the whole game. Probably why they cloned the BL three times.

Or just maybe not enough resources and devs are being spent on WvW.

Pendragon.8735:

earendil.1290:

The real question should be why are all 3 BLs so similar (for balance, I know, but still) and why are there no more new maps added.

They way Anet always answers this question, it seems WvW maps are about the most laborious thing for them to create in the whole game. Probably why they cloned the BL three times.

Or just maybe not enough resources and devs are being spent on WvW.

Just maybe …

Pendragon.8735:

earendil.1290:

The real question should be why are all 3 BLs so similar (for balance, I know, but still) and why are there no more new maps added.

They way Anet always answers this question, it seems WvW maps are about the most laborious thing for them to create in the whole game. Probably why they cloned the BL three times.

Or just maybe not enough resources and devs are being spent on WvW.

Funny how they claim that the maps need to be labored over and tested ad nauseum for balance yet they activly go out of their way to unbalance other things in WvW.

I personally don’t like the borderlands (obviously) but I am ok with other people playing them if that’s what you like. I still think EB should be scored seperately. The rankings would look different if they did not depend so much on the number of players in the borderlands.

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

Getting rid of the borderlands would do a lot to solve the problem of servers being outnumbered. All three servers would be roughly equal numbers

and queues would be four times longer

rhodoc.2381:

More serious fights than the pugblobzerging in EB

How true this is… EB on practically every server I have been on is the training ground. BLs hold more value, generally have tougher fights and attract more seasoned players.

really? Seems really boring to me when I have been in the borderlands. The borderlands seem like the training grounds for maybe-wannabe WvW players. My main objection is the way the borderlands distort the scores in favor of servers with bigger population. The scores show how big the servers are instead of how well they play.

That and I didn’t know so many people like the BLs. I thought it must be wasted space. Sorry.

would be good if ANet looked at what is being measured by the scores before the league matchups. It would be stupid to just measure the size of the servers and call that a win.